darkchild64:


In the post I quoted you said that Jehovah is greater than Jesus,what that means is that Jesus and Jehovah are not one BEING,whether they take decisions together or not,it is just like the President and the vice president, the former is greater than the latter but they take decisions together.
This is the implication of what you said so if Jehovah is greater than Jesus then Jehovah is not Jesus and Jesus is not Jehovah,they are separate entities hence the concept of "the holy trinity" is squashed.
How can you answer questions from atheists when you make such contradictory comments about your religion "JEHOVAH IS GREATER THAN JESUS" how can a Christian who professes that the holy trinity exist say that

iamwhat:


You are correct, They are separate beings, two distinct personalities....

This is one among Jesus' words:
You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
John 14:28 NKJV

darkchild64:


if Jesus and Jehovah are separate entities then that means that Christians are not monotheists considering the fact that they worship Jesus and Jehovah who are two different beings

darkchild64:


if Jesus and Jehovah are separate entities then that means that Christians are not monotheists considering the fact that they worship Jesus and Jehovah who are two different beings

salame:
give me a good reason to dump atheism for your religion and not any other religion

kingtinnie:
You say God is the all knowing one


How is it he didn’t know putting the supposedly forbidden within the reach of eve and Adam will cause with it ended up causing


Why did he not foresee the serpent manipulations

You say he is the omnipresent...where was he the serpent was toasting eve


You say he is merciful and forgiving....why is he finding it difficult to forgive the best of his creations


??

iamwhat:



God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden to give Adam and Eve a choice to obey Him or disobey Him. Adam and Eve were free to do anything they wanted, except eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:16-17.

In order for Adam and Eve to truly be free, they had to have a choice; not just a single choice but many other choices to enhance their adaptability to the



environment.

Someone referred to God as a tyrant or dictator on the first page which is the exact opposite of God.
God always leaves us with choices, although He makes known to us what's good and bad, however He never compels or enforces anything on us.

God created Adam and Eve with the capacity to choose to love God and walk in His good ways. That would be absolutely pointless if they were never presented with an opportunity to make a choice of any kind!
Man would have been like robots, even scientists here on earth are not pleased with how robots work as they cannot make rational decisions outside the installed algorithms.

God created Man and Man was supposed to continue the creation work without God and you think Man should not be presented a free will to make his own decisions ? I don't think so.

The forbidden fruit was just a boundary set by God, it could be forbidden location, forbidden touch, forbidden talk..... even angels in heaven are not spared from boundaries that's why we have fallen angel (Angel that crossed the boundaries).


Why did God plant the tree knowing that Adam would fail?

This question is one-sided and it shows biasness in your thinking.
Adam had a choice, and he chose to sin. The idea that he was "bound to fail the test" is false. Consider the angels - some fell and some did not.

Adam had just only one law and he chose to default, is it God's fault ? NO!


Why did he not foresee the manipulation?

This line of reasoning assumes that foreknowledge necessitates fatalism, and eliminates accountability. Both assumptions are false.
Yes, God knew what Adam would choose - but it was Adam who chose.

Job was presented with something stricter but he chose not to default, why don't you give credit to God on Job's success since you blame God for Adam's fault ?

I wish you were a Christian, I would have guide you to pray for the holy spirit ministration.





He wanted them to chose yet ...it’s was the same fruit that had the power for them to know between good and bad....so they didn’t know if it was good or bad ..yet the old man put it right there ...right there before then ..that forbidden thing under their nose with no knowledge of good or bad..and yet blames them ...it’s like putting a naked electric wire in the middle of your home then tell your 3 year old kid never to touch it...


And dear old job had God’s hypnotic operating file known as RELIGION installed in him so just like you NO OFFENSE..he just wouldn’t see anything wrong in been used as a scapegoat for something he had absolutely no knowledge or control over

purem:


Who is God and who is Jesus?

Please read this before you proceed to your answer

iamwhat:


I understand your doubts, however I'll love it if you can be open minded enough and be civilized with your argument; This is not a win win discussion, let's teach each other;

Now to answer your question:
There are two Gods:
1. God the Father = Jehovah
2. God the Son = Jesus

>>God The Son says "God The Father is greater than God The Son"

>> Although Jehovah is greater than Jesus but they make decisions in unison, thereby we refer to them as ONE GOD

darkchild64:


You would end up confusing yourself and arguing with your fellow christians

allenbaker5:


O so this your god can only protect me if I obey his laws? Christians and their excuses. If you survive an accident, it's god, if you don't then you didn't obey his laws.

Too bad I've lost interest in those yeye laws written by a Jewish carpenter and his friends.

And forget about me, the only person that gets judged here is you, in your imaginary heaven of course.

If god doesn't want to answer my questions, why did you waste time opening the thread since you and him have no answers?

darkchild64:


if Jesus and Jehovah are separate entities then that means that Christians are not monotheists considering the fact that they worship Jesus and Jehovah who are two different beings

efizy08:

Bruv lemme take it from here,
God was the first person to ever in the universe
Who is God God is the ruler of the universe who tends to control everything on earth, buh gave we human freewill to be able to make decision on our own, because there would be no point creating us and then controlling us, so we have our own heart to decide whatever we want....
Who is Jesus According to the bible, Jesus was said to be the first creation of GOD ever, JESES IS NOT GOD, Even Jesus in all his word do adore and recognize GOD as the supreme, If not that lucifer disobey GOD he would have been call son of GOD too

Hope my little sentence have been kinda helpful

Amberon11:
Look at this Antichrist. Jesus is God. Even God Almighty referred to Jesus as God.

CuteMadridista:

Bible verses please

iamwhat:


I understand your doubts, however I'll love it if you can be open minded enough and be civilized with your argument; This is not a win win discussion, let's teach each other;

Now to answer your question:
There are two Gods:
1. God the Father = Jehovah
2. God the Son = Jesus

>>God The Son says "God The Father is greater than God The Son"

>> Although Jehovah is greater than Jesus but they make decisions in unison, thereby we refer to them as ONE GOD

Amberon11:
Shut up! There is ONE GOD.

Amberon11:
Look at this Antichrist. Jesus is God. Even God Almighty referred to Jesus as God.

efizy08:

Bro Jesus is lord...Lord is Different from God

Amberon11:
Jesus is God. If you dont believe, don't call yourself a Christian.

efizy08:

Lets not talk much......Show me a bible passage where it says JESUS is GOD

Amberon11:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:7

As Christians we are monotheists. We serve one God.

iamwhat:
Am a Jesus believer and I feel like answering Atheists questions today.

darkchild64:
Op according to the bible in John 3 vs 3 Jesus said that except a man be born again he would not enter the kingdom of heaven
Our ancestors were not born again considering that they never heard anything about Christianity, so according to Jesus statement in John 3 vs 3 they can not enter the kingdom of heaven hence they would go to hell
DOES THAT SEEM FAIR AND JUST TO YOU ?

iamwhat:



For there is no partiality with God. For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them )
Romans 2:11‭-‬15 NKJV

obinna58:

Whats the essence of hell fire and if you're God will you create eternal toture knowing lots of people must go there