Considering that human beings are quite deceitful and of course there are various opinions about almost everything on earth,before I accept anything as a "fact" enough evidence or proof must be available depending on how sensitive the issue is.
Now talking about the existence of souls,there are many opinions to it,most agnostics and atheists don't believe such exists,religious adherents do,however the onus is on those who believe to provide evidence to what they claim. Chriatians and Muslims believe humans have "souls" Hindu's, Buddhists,Jainists and some other religions extend it to animals and even plants. Now I would like to highlight the importance of the concept of "soul" existence, of course Christians don't believe that animals and plants go to heaven or hell likewise Muslims despite the fact that they are living things,so basically what differentiates humans from lower animals and plants in terms of our fate after death is the "soul" considering the fact that we die and decay just like other living things,but then what if we don't have any such thing as souls it means that we die and decay just like animals and plants,but then if we have souls we continue to exist in another realm.So for those who believe that humans have souls what proof(s) can you give to convince others who don't or is it just that you believe because that was what you were told?

Soul? what exactly is that? I looked through a biology book but couldn't find a reference to souls. I looked through a mythology book however and found all kinds of information on souls. Are there any peer reviewed scholastic research papers published in any medical journals that I could learn more about this thing called souls? Where is this thing? how many does each person have? 1? 2? more? it varies?

What gene is it linked to in our DNA? What kind of cells is it made of or what exactly is it made of? can we see thing thing with an MRI machine or a powerful microscope? Who do you think would know more about this thing called souls: a witch doctor from the deepest jungles of Ogbomoso who has had no contact with civilization, or the entire science faculty from MIT?
Scientists study everything; why don't they study souls? Is it for the same reasons they don't study the powers of Deadpool or the magic of Harry Potter?

darkchild64:
Considering that human beings are quite deceitful and of course there are various opinions about almost everything on earth,before I accept anything as a "fact" enough evidence or proof must be available depending on how sensitive the issue is.
Now talking about the existence of souls,there are many opinions to it,most agnostics and atheists don't believe such exists,religious adherents do,however the onus is on those who believe to provide evidence to what they claim. Chriatians and Muslims believe humans have "souls" Hindu's, Buddhists,Jainists and some other religions extend it to animals and even plants. Now I would like to highlight the importance of the concept of "soul" existence, of course Christians don't believe that animals and plants go to heaven or hell likewise Muslims despite the fact that they are living things,so basically what differentiates humans from lower animals and plants in terms of our fate after death is the "soul" considering the fact that we die and decay just like other living things,but then what if we don't have any such thing as souls it means that we die and decay just like animals and plants,but then if we have souls we continue to exist in another realm.So for those who believe that humans have souls what proof(s) can you give to convince others who don't or is it just that you believe because that was what you were told?

Bearing in mind that a soul is a spiritual essence, using your human senses, Can you prove that the soul does not exist?

The problem I have with you atheists is that you know you are physical and limited to your human senses yet you wish for someone to prove a spiritual thing to you while you are still limited to your human perception.

Stop asking questions you can never comprehend the answers you will get.

You who disbelieve that a soul exists, what proof do you have to disbelieve?

OP souls are like Yahweh, IPU, Bigfoot etc
they're all made-up bullsheet

CuteMadridista:
OP souls are like Yahweh, IPU, Bigfoot etc

they're all made-up bullsheet

Google is your friend! Since you already drifted to science when you mentioned DNA, google up how many scientists who are actually evolutionists who believe that science agrees with the soul concept and can also prove such exists.

Is dark matter or anti matter tangible? Yet science studies it. Why are they afraid of studying something equally intangible as the soul? Any hints?

Try Harder

Butterflyleo:


Bearing in mind that a soul is a spiritual essence, using your human senses, Can you prove that the soul does not exist?

The problem I have with you atheists is that you know you are physical and limited to your human senses yet you wish for someone to prove a spiritual thing to you while you are still limited to your human perception.

Stop asking questions you can never comprehend the answers you will get.

You who disbelieve that a soul exists, what proof do you have to disbelieve?

So you have degenerated to this state anything you can't disprove exists okay let me play along with you,I agree that souls exists but the thing is that I believe that mammals,fishes,birds,bacteria,trees and viruses have souls and I believe that humans can reincarnate as any of them,I'm sure you don't believe that too,can you disprove it,if so do,if not I win,my belief is a "fact"

Can you see how pretentious your argument is?

darkchild64:
Considering that human beings are quite deceitful and of course there are various opinions about almost everything on earth,before I accept anything as a "fact" enough evidence or proof must be available depending on how sensitive the issue is.
Now talking about the existence of souls,there are many opinions to it,most agnostics and atheists don't believe such exists,religious adherents do,however the onus is on those who believe to provide evidence to what they claim. Chriatians and Muslims believe humans have "souls" Hindu's, Buddhists,Jainists and some other religions extend it to animals and even plants. Now I would like to highlight the importance of the concept of "soul" existence, of course Christians don't believe that animals and plants go to heaven or hell likewise Muslims despite the fact that they are living things,so basically what differentiates humans from lower animals and plants in terms of our fate after death is the "soul" considering the fact that we die and decay just like other living things,but then what if we don't have any such thing as souls it means that we die and decay just like animals and plants,but then if we have souls we continue to exist in another realm.So for those who believe that humans have souls what proof(s) can you give to convince others who don't or is it just that you believe because that was what you were told?

can you prove to me how you trust your own reasoning how come about dreams, conscience, meditation
once you able to prove these to me, surely I will prove to you that soul exist.

Butterflyleo:


Bearing in mind that a soul is a spiritual essence, using your human senses, Can you prove that the soul does not exist?

The problem I have with you atheists is that you know you are physical and limited to your human senses yet you wish for someone to prove a spiritual thing to you while you are still limited to your human perception.

Stop asking questions you can never comprehend the answers you will get.

You who disbelieve that a soul exists, what proof do you have to disbelieve?

The problem with your type of christians is that you are so sure that only what you believe is true,everyother thing anyone says is trash
Dude what you have to understand is that there are several beliefs and theories about almost everything on earth,my basis for accepting any as a fact is based on the evidence it provides,and that is how you know original and fake,by subjecting the products to test,you don't just take anything anyone says,if you think that you or your religion is immune to my analysis then I can't help you,if you say that souls exists prove it in other words give is the reasons why you say so and we would see if it is superior to other reasons given by other people holding different opinions

p.s beware of those who take offense when they hear the word "evidence"

darkchild64:


The problem with your type of christians is that you are so sure that only what you believe is true,everyother thing anyone says is trash
Dude what you have to understand is that there are several beliefs and theories about almost everything on earth,my basis for accepting any as a fact is based on the evidence it provides,and that is how you know original and fake,by subjecting the products to test,you don't just take anything anyone says,if you think that you or your religion is immune to my analysis then I can't help you,if you say that souls exists prove it in other words give is the reasons why you say so and we would see if it is superior to other reasons given by other people holding different opinions

p.s beware of those who take offense when they hear the word "evidence"

I asked a question which needs a simple answer so i repeat

Bearing in mind that a soul is a spiritual essence, using your human senses, Can you prove that the soul does not exist?

I am waiting

kpakungu001:

can you prove to me how you trust your own reasoning how come about dreams, conscience, meditation
once you able to prove these to me, surely I will prove to you that soul exist.

Dreams are just normal brain activity,go to Wikipedia if you want more information, I allign myself with whatever you see their
Conscit is not an innate feature,it is just the part of our reasoning that tells us what is rrigh and wrong based on the knowledge and experience we have acquired in life,a baby or mentally unstable individual has little or no conscience
Meditation is no big deal either,people avoid distractions by staying calm and just concentrating,what is the big deal on that

If you believe in "souls" provide the proof that they exist

darkchild64:


So you have degenerated to this state anything you can't disprove exists okay let me play along with you,I agree that souls exists but the thing is that I believe that mammals,fishes,birds,bacteria,trees and viruses have souls and I believe that humans can reincarnate as any of them,I'm sure you don't believe that too,can you disprove it,if so do,if not I win,my belief is a "fact"

Can you see how pretentious your argument is?

That is why I asked you my question and stated it the way I did so again, i repeat

Bearing in mind that a soul is a spiritual essence, using your human senses, Can you prove that the soul does not exist?

I am waiting

When we talk about spiritual things, science cannot prove many of them. Soul is spiritual.

Because you cannot prove something don't mean it doesn't exist. There are millions of spermatozoa in a drop of sperm. Because you can't see it with your naked eyes don't mean it doesn't exist. Thousands of years ago, without the invention of powerful microscope, if someone told you about spermatozoa,your will not believe it.

There are germs in the air. Can you see them? Science is developing. Because you can't prove something doesn't mean it is not real.

darkchild64:


Dreams are just normal brain activity,go to Wikipedia if you want more information, I allign myself with whatever you see their
Conscit is not an innate feature,it is just the part of our reasoning that tells us what is rrigh and wrong based on the knowledge and experience we have acquired in life,a baby or mentally unstable individual has little or no conscience
Meditation is no big deal either,people avoid distractions by staying calm and just concentrating,what is the big deal on that

If you believe in "souls" provide the proof that they exist

Are you this silly that you cannot see how ridiculous your request is? Again i repeat

Bearing in mind that a soul is a spiritual essence, using your human senses, Can you prove that the soul does not exist?

So atheists now perceive spiritual things? Can you not see how silly your question is and how very y illogical it is? This was why i asked you what I asked you. I am still waiting for your answer.

Butterflyleo:


I asked a question which needs a simple answer so i repeat



I am waiting

You came to a thread where I asked a question,you have no intention of answering it instead you are demanding that I answer your own question,thereby derailling my topic,I have commented the much I can on your post if you are not satisfied create a thread bearing the question you want me to answer and I will attend to it there
This thread seeks to find evidence(s) for the existence of "souls" if you are not interested in providing any VAMOOSE

Butterflyleo:


Are you this silly that you cannot see how ridiculous your request is? Again i repeat


So atheists now perceive spiritual things? Can you not see how silly your question is and how very y illogical it is? This was why i asked you what I asked you. I am still waiting for your answer.

In other words you are saying you can not provide evidences to the existence of souls or rather that I won't comprehend it,give it a shot first,if I fail to comprehend it then we can discuss that,provided you give EVIDENCE to whatever you say

darkchild64:


You came to a thread where I asked a question,you have no intention of answering it instead you are demanding that I answer your own question,thereby derailling my topic,I have commented the much I can on your post if you are not satisfied create a thread bearing the question you want me to answer and I will attend to it there
This thread seeks to find evidence(s) for the existence of "souls" if you are not interested in providing any VAMOOSE

Shut up your mouth. Your asking for proof already shows you disbelieve based on your crippled and limited senses position.

So how can you use your human limited senses to disprove a spiritual essence such as a soul?

You ain't smart by half.

The thread can never receive evidence because you are unable to perceive the evidence. These are a few things we cannot perceive as people but they exist. Even science cannot perceive them but can establish their effects


1. RADIO WAVES

2. DARK MATTER

3. ANTIMATTER

4. THE MIND

5. EMOTIONS

6. QUANTUM PARTICLES

Same with the soul. If you want to observe it's effect wait till you die and (if) you return, you can lecture us on the fact that it does not exist. But until then you cannot disprove the existence of a soul using your human perception. Stop being silly and grow some intelligence.

darkchild64:


In other words you are saying you can not provide evidences to the existence of souls or rather that I won't comprehend it,give it a shot first,if I fail to comprehend it then we can discuss that,provided you give EVIDENCE to whatever you say

Sorry but google is your friend. Seek the opinion of the scientific and empirical community for your evidence. Spiritual things do not subscribe to the worldview of atheists.

Butterflyleo:


Sorry but google is your friend. Seek the opinion of the scientific and empirical community for your evidence. Spiritual things do not subscribe to the worldview of atheists.

Fine,since you are not ready to give me what I want,it's okay,thanks for your contribution,you can now close the thread,I don't think I want to keep arguing with you,I like to maintain the topic

darkchild64:

Fine,since you are not ready to give me what I want,it's okay,thanks for your contribution,you can now close the thread,I don't think I want to keep arguing with you,I like to maintain the topic

Your topic as an atheist and the basis for this thread as an atheist is illogical and silly.

Its like a blind man seeking evidence for a planet called fahjero from a scientist. How can the blind man comprehend anything he is told or even shown.

Butterflyleo:


Your topic as an atheist and the basis for this thread as an atheist is illogical and silly.

Its like a blind man seeking evidence for a planet called fahjero from a scientist. How can the blind man comprehend anything he is told or even shown.

Don't you even have self esteem as a person,I have tried to be courteous with you,but even your Jesus said that you should not give holy things to dogs,I asked a question,you are not interested in answering it fine,find your way,you refused,if they ban you now you would say that seun is an antichrist,make I hear say I even reply you again

darkchild64:


Don't you even have self esteem as a person,I have tried to be courteous with you,but even your Jesus said that you should not give holy things to dogs,I asked a question,you are not interested in answering it fine,find your way,you refused,if they ban you now you would say that seun is an antichrist,make I hear say I even reply you again

Someone needs to speak some sense into you that's why I am talking and telling you that your demand for evidence of the existence of a soul despite being an atheist whose worldview does not subscribe to such is illogical and silly.

You should show some self esteem by stop being illogical and opening threads asking for things that do not exist in your worldview.

femidejulius:
When we talk about spiritual things, science cannot prove many of them. Soul is spiritual.

Because you cannot prove something don't mean it doesn't exist. There are millions of spermatozoa in a drop of sperm. Because you can't see it with your naked eyes don't mean it doesn't exist. Thousands of years ago, without the invention of powerful microscope, if someone told you about spermatozoa,your will not believe it.

There are germs in the air. Can you see them? Science is developing. Because you can't prove something doesn't mean it is not real.

That you can't prove something doesn't lend ANY credibility to it too!

The problem with spiritual claims is that history has never favoured them! So many things that were thrown in the realm of "Spiritual" have been unraveled now and no spiritual thing were found to be behind it. Many things that we regard as mundane today were in the "Spiritual Realm" before

Guess what? each of those spiritual claims rely on the fact that they can't be tested, let alone verified or falsified to claim them to be "True" by its proponents just like you just did soul. From ancient religious books claiming Unclean Spirits were responsible for sickness to gods anger being responsible for bad weather or disasters

Posts like yours were addressed in a very intelligent way in Richard Dawkins book "Magic of Everything"

CuteMadridista:


That you can't prove something doesn't lend ANY credibility to it too!

The problem with spiritual claims is that history has never favoured them! So many things that were thrown in the realm of "Spiritual" have been unraveled now and no spiritual thing were found to be behind it. Many things that we regard as mundane today were in the "Spiritual Realm" before

Guess what? each of those spiritual claims rely on the fact that they can't be tested, let alone verified or falsified to claim them to be "True" by its proponents just like you just did soul

Posts like yours were addressed in a very intelligent way in Richard Dawkins book "Magic of Everything"

A soul cannot be proven TO YOU and neither can it be disproven BY YOU.

Here you are being nihilistic and tomorrow you will be claiming I DONT KNOW Upandan

femidejulius:
When we talk about spiritual things, science cannot prove many of them. Soul is spiritual.

Because you cannot prove something don't mean it doesn't exist. There are millions of spermatozoa in a drop of sperm. Because you can't see it with your naked eyes don't mean it doesn't exist. Thousands of years ago, without the invention of powerful microscope, if someone told you about spermatozoa,your will not believe it.

There are germs in the air. Can you see them? Science is developing. Because you can't prove something doesn't mean it is not real.

When we talk of evidence we are not limiting it to what you can see
Evidence simply means "why do you believe that this is so ? "
I am inclined to believe that most people hold the view that soul exists because they are told so,in order to find out if that is true I am giving the opportunity to present your reasons for believing that humans have something called "soul"
If one can not prove something it doesn't mean that it is not real however it can not be considered as a "fact", what makes an opinion a fact is the evidence (s) provided especially when there are contrasting claims
Like the instance I gave Hinduism and some other religions believe that animals have souls too,I'm sure you don't agree,now how are we to know that tour claim is correct and others are wrong,is it simply because you say so,anyone can claim spiritual, no one is immune to providing evidence,provide evidence or you don't have an argument

cutemadridsta do me a favour,don't reply butterflyleo

The guy needs to learn to either follow the topic or leave the thread alone,how can someone just be bent on distracting meaningful discourse

darkchild64:
cutemadrid.sta do me a favour,don't reply butte.rflyleo

The guy needs to learn to either follow the topic or leave the thread alone,how can someone just be bent on distracting meaningful discourse

You should've observed I never quote nor mention him except by mistake while he tries hard day and night to make me start quoting him. He keeps quoting and mentioning me not bcuz he has something sensible to say but rather trying to get my attention

CuteMadridista:


You should've observed I never quote nor mention him except by mistake while he tries hard day and night trying to make me start quoting him. He's not replying me cuz he has something sensible to say but rather trying to get my attention

good

darkchild64:
cutemadridsta do me a favour,don't reply butterflyleo

The guy needs to learn to either follow the topic or leave the thread alone,how can someone just be bent on distracting meaningful discourse

There is nothing meaningful about this discussion. Its as silly as it gets!

When an atheists whose worldview blocks out spiritual things and to whom spiritual things are alien to now asks for proof of a spiritual thing such as a soul then its the height of ridiculousness and illogicality.

CuteMadridista:


You should've observed I never quote nor mention him except by mistake while he tries hard day and night to make me start quoting him. He keeps quoting and mentioning me not bcuz he has something sensible to say but rather trying to get my attention

I told you before on another thread that I will keep quoting you whenever I see the need to and not because your attention is required (much as you wished it was).

You say nonsense and I quote you for correction . simple!

It would be nice to provide a working definition of a soul here which we could either agree with or amend.

Cc:
Cutemadridista

DeSepiero:
It would be nice to provide a working definition of a soul here which we could either agree with or amend.

Cc:
Cutemadridista

As defined by the dictionary
In religion a soul is the spirit or essence of an individual that comprises of the person's thought and personality