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The Europeans don’t even talk this much about African religion but the Africans........ still light years behind. I only talk or debate about Jesus on Africa’s biggest social site. It’s all about Jesus for Nigerians, it’s all they know.

ifenes:
The Europeans don’t even talk this much about African religion but the Africans........ still light years behind. I only talk or debate about Jesus on Africa’s biggest social site. It’s all about Jesus for Nigerians, it’s all they know.

But you an African talks soooo much about Enuma Elish and their Fallen Angels. And, you are light years ahead of us fellow Africans abi? Is Anu an igbo god?

Isn't it all about Anunnaki to you? Do you know anything else? Guy, abeg.

Judas2013:
The average Nigerian is dumb and hopeless. Imagine a Jew worshiping our deities lol. In fact they call us monkeys and our people definitely prove them right.

Your condition has been declared mental disorder, so go for treatment.

Martinez19:
*signs* Africans and chicken brain. Who told you Jesus's existence is an historical fact? Jesus never existed. Scholars are aware of his non-existence. Stop this nonsense.

You the 19 yrs old mentally disordered kid, go for your drugs.

Emmanystone:
But you an African talks soooo much about Enuma Elish and their Fallen Angels. And, you are light years ahead of us fellow Africans abi? Is Anu an igbo god?

Isn't it all about Anunnaki to you? Do you know anything else? Guy, abeg.

You ain’t worth a reply.

ifenes:
You ain’t worth a reply.

And you know why.

Emmanystone:
And you know why.

I wish I could say it’s because. your brain isn’t in your skull, it’s in the church, in the storage of a pastor I can’t say that because it wouldn’t be nice to say that.

ifenes:
I wish I could say it’s because. your brain isn’t in your skull, it’s in the church, in the storage of a pastor I can’t say that because it wouldn’t be nice to say that.

And yours is in the temple of the Anunnaki in the lost city of Babylon.

Your god and its city are lost together with your soul.

ifenes:
I wish I could say it’s because. your brain isn’t in your skull, it’s in the church, in the storage of a pastor I can’t say that because it wouldn’t be nice to say that.

Moderator ban ifenes for this statement !!! This is against the rules here. If you don’t like our God leave us alone

Emmanystone:
Fine. I will answer your questions then i will ask mine. Ready?
Okay.

Q1: Jesus or Yahshua is the Word of God. With Him and through Him the entire world was created on stands upon. John 1:1-4.

Q2: Yes He is a historical Figure. You can go here to read. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#Testimonium_Flavianum

Josephus was not contemporary to 'Jesus' and so cannot be considered a witness or verifier of 'Jesus' existence. He was born in 37 AD. Anything he heard about 'Jesus', he would have heard from christians themselves.

Q3: The Gospels were written by men who went about with Jesus. Eye witnesses of everything he said and did.

You are wrong. No less than the the Catholic Encyclopedia says, "The first four historical books of the New Testament are supplied with titles..., which, however ancient, do not go back to the respective authors of those sacred writings."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06655b.htm

Q4: They were written in Greek because, that was the Language of the Masters then. The Language of Commerce. The Lingua Franca. The Roman Empire which ruled the world then was Greek speaking hence, they imposed their language on all their subjects.

Actually, Latin was always the major language in Rome, not Greek.

But ask yourself WHY the Roman rulers wanted anything at all to do with christianity? The supposed religion of their conquered territories, thousands of miles away in the Middle East?? Why would they want ANYTHING AT ALL to do with Jewish religion, culture, history? A people they had comprehensively defeated, and were oppressing?

It's comparable to a situation whereby when the British invaded and colonised Nigeria, they adopted IFA as their new religion, and went and built a huge IFA temple headquarters in London.

Wouldn't that strike you as odd?

Here's what happened.

2000+ years ago, the Jews, living under Roman occupation and oppression, were waiting for their messiah, whom they believed would come and save them from Caesar's tyranny.

This messiah was expected to be a warrior who would come and fight, and destroy Rome's grip on the Jewish nation.

Fast forward to 30 AD, and we now have a new religion.

Christianity.

The gospels, written anonymously, spoke of a gentle, forgiving messiah, who had lived many years before, and who was the 'King of the Jews'.

The gospels were written more than 30 years after this 'Jesus' was supposed to have 'ascended' to heaven.

The Roman inspired gospels claimed that it was the Jews who caused the death of 'Jesus', who called for his death, and so on...

The Romans CREATED this person, 'Jesus' in order to NEUTRALIZE the militant, religious fervour of the Jews, awaiting their fire-breathing messiah.

To PACIFY them, the Romans INVENTED the 'peaceful Lamb of God', who asked that they ''turn the other cheek'', and forgive.. and love their enemies....

And to ''give unto Caesar what is Caesar's''. (A startlingly pro-Roman statement from someone hailing from the oppressed Jewish community).

That was how ''Jesus'' came about. It was a Roman elite ploy to pacify the militant masses fighting their oppression, from the Middle East to Rome.

THAT is why Christianity is headquartered in Rome. THAT is why the gospels were written (anonymously) in Greek and Latin, not in Aramaic, the language of the Jews. That is why the New Testament has a pro-Roman perspective. That is why the Popes are Europeans, and why christianity is the ''white man's religion''.


It was the reason they introduced christianity to their African colonies the minute they stepped foot here. Christianity calms you down in the face of oppression. It pacifies you. Tells you to turn the other cheek. To await your blessings in heaven. To love your enemies. This allows the oppressor to do his job, with less trouble from you.

Christianity was not Headquartered in Rome. It was Headquartered in Jerusalem, until the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus in 70 AD.

Christianity was never 'headquartered' in Jerusalem. Was it not the Jews that supposedly rejected Jesus and called for his execution according to the gospels? There may have been a christian sect created there with the help of the Roman rulers, who began talking about a 'gentle, forgiving' messiah, as a means to start pacifying the militant Jews. But they never made any headway, because the Jews did not recognise that messiah.

Q7: Who really were the Flavian Family of Italy and in your opinion why do you think they invented or tried to invent Jesus?

Titus whom you mentioned as having destroyed Jerusalem, was of the Flavian dynasty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavian_dynasty

The Flavians were at the helm when christianity appeared. They had a hand in its creation.

Best explanation to the Jesus scam, but I doubt it will impress the coconut head

Rosskii:
Josephus was not contemporary to 'Jesus' and so cannot be considered a witness or verifier of 'Jesus' existence. He was born in 37 AD. Anything he heard about 'Jesus', he would have heard from christians themselves.

Really? So a historian must be born in the same year or the events he writes before he can be authentic? So a man who gets up to write about the Nigerian Civil War in 2018 will be considered invalidated because he did not fight in the War? Are you really serious?

Josephus was born 35 yrs after Christ had died. He witnessed the cruel inhuman tortures the followers of this man were made to endure and wrote about it. because what he wrote exposes your excuses, you write him off. Even when you know he didn't write from the stand point of a follower of Christ, but a historian.

Wow, you must be the world's most authentic authority to invalidate all world renown historical scholars who actually believes holds Josefus in high exteme.

Wonderdul. What is your name again, so that i can google you. You too much.

Well, Sir, i'll go with world historians and anthropologist than go with you the yesterday's baby atheist wannabe.

Here are Roman historians (Non-Christians), who wrote
About Jesus.
1. Cornelius Tacitus: (A.D 52). You can find his works in the Annals XV44
2. Tertulian: (AD 197).
3. Thallus. (A Samaritan born historian, AD 221)
4. Bar-Sarepion: (AD 73)
5. Justin Martyr (AD 150)
I can't quote what they said here for want of space, but if you insist i will

And above all, we shall look at only one of the numerous accounts of Jesus of Nazareth in the Jewish Talmud(Bare in mind, the Jews don't believe in Jesus)

Talmud page 56. "On the eve of the passover they hung Yeshu(of Nazareth) and the herald went before him for 40 days saying, 'Yeshu od Nazareth is going forth to be stoned in that he had practiced sorcery and beguiled and led astray Israel. Let e everyone knowing aught in his defence come and plead for him. But they they found aught in his defence and hanged him on the eve of passover (Babylonia Sanhedrin.439).

Amoa Ulla, a Jew. A disciple of a certain R. Youchanan in Palestine then wrote about Jesus. "And do you suppose that for Yeshu (Jesus), there was any right of appeal? He was a beguiler and the merciful one(YHWH) has said, 'Thou shall not spare neither shalt thou conceal him. It is otherwise with Yeshu for he was near to the cvil authority "

If you doubt Roman Historians believing they invented Jesus, excuse the Jews too.

Rosskii:
You are wrong. No less than the the Catholic Encyclopedia says, "The first four historical books of the New Testament are supplied with titles..., which, however ancient, do not go back to the respective authors of those sacred writings."

So, who did the Catholic Encyclopedia say wrote the gospels?

Will you rather believe the Catholics who came in 4th Centruey AD and doubt Eyewitnesses as follows?

John20:30-31
[b]And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1 John:1:1

(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
1 John:1:2
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1 John:1:3
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
Luke:1:1

Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
Luke:1:2
[/b]It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
Luke:1:3
Acts 1:1-3, 1Cor 15:5-8, Acts 10:39-42, 1peter 5:1 and Acts 26:24-28 says the exact same thing. They were eye witnesses of Christ.
believe the Catholics to your own peril

Rosskii:
Actually, Latin was always the major language in Rome, not Greek.

Latin and Greek were indeed the official langauge of commence then, but i guess Greek was more predominantly spoken in the region of Judea, because their scriptures were writren in Greek and Aramaic.

Rosskii:
But ask yourself WHY the Roman rulers wanted anything at all to do with christianity? The supposed religion of their conquered territories, thousands of miles away in the Middle East?? Why would they want ANYTHING AT ALL to do with Jewish religion, culture, history? A people they had comprehensively defeated, and were oppressing?

Oh, you are still to learn the history of how that began. As you well know, then to be a conqueror and have others pay teibute to you, you must win or conquer them in battle. The territories you conquer, you subdue, if you are conquered, you are subdued.

Emperor Constantine was losing grounds as an emperor, when his wife came with a dream she always had. She said she saw the Roman Arny flying Red Crosses in thw battle runs, and they alwsy won when thet did, but when they didn't they lost. She advised the Army flew Flags with Red Crosses. They did and they won all their battles.

The emperor saw a source of power over his enemies, hence; he adopted Christianity as a state religion. That gave rise to the organization called 'Red Cross' flown by the Crusaders. Which later became a charitable organization. That's the root.

The emperor was not really a Christian, as he did not adopt the Christianity of the Bible. They just lifted names or charaters in the scriptures and wore them on their already existing Hellenistic gods, but the rituals remained the same. These allowed the Greeks room to keep their gods while still being called Christians. But anyone who insists on the Gospel according to the Bible is met with stiff resistance even today in Catholicism.
It was all prophesied anyways.

Rosskii:
It's comparable to a situation whereby when the British invaded and colonised Nigeria, they adopted IFA as their new religion, and went and built a huge IFA temple headquarters in London.
Wouldn't that strike you as odd?

That would be the case if the British had something to gain fron Ifa. But the British goverment came for land not religion.

Besides, aren't youbaware that the British government took almost all the African Antiquities/Artefacts back with them? Why was that? When the Bini Kingdom fell, do you know how many of their gods were taken by the British Government? Till today, those artefacts are not yet returned. Were they taken for decoration? That they didn't build a temple for Ifa does not mean they are not worshipping Ifa.

Rosskii:
Here's what happened.
2000+ years ago, the Jews, living under Roman colonisation and oppression, were waiting for their messiah, whom they believed would come and save them from Roman tyranny.

This messiah, was expected to be a warrior who would come and fight, and destroy Rome's grip on the Jewish nation.

But, did the Messiah comes as the prophecies were given or those who were promised a Messiah misplaced their priorities and looked for a political worriror rather than a saviour who will save their souls fron sin and satan?
The very first time that prophecy came, what did it say?
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Genesis:3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Genesis:3:15
This was the beginning of humanity's problems, was it political or spiritual? How then were they expecting a political worriror?

Just as we are today, we are told by Jesus Himself never to believe anyone who claims to have seen Him in the desert or anywhere else, because as he went into heaven openly with everyone looking at him, so he will retuen with everyone looking at him. But some people still believe challatants who believe in appearances of even Mary.

Rosskii:
Fast forward to 30 AD, and we now have a new religion.
Christianity.
The gospels, written anonymously, spoke of a gentle, forgiving messiah, who had lived many years before, and who was the 'King of the Jews'.

The gospels were written at least 30 years after this 'Jesus' was supposed to have 'ascended' to heaven.

The Roman inspired gospels claimed that it was the Jews who caused the death of 'Jesus', who called for his death, and so on...

Hahahahahahahahaha. I thought you'd say the gospel was written in the 21st century while this Jesus was supposed to have ascended into heaven, even at that. lol

I hope you know Apostle Paul was a prisoner of the Roman empire not too long after the Ascension? This your theory is so porous and laughable.

I expected that a man who claims a superior intelligence over a religious person will use his common sense to ascertain certain things before mouthing them out

Listen, this is how you know that who ever wrote your conspiracy theory did not calculate well. And you were too much in a hurry that you couldn't double check.

Go back in history and chack if first, they was a Roman Empire. If there was, check if there was a particular Emperor by name Augustus, and when he reigned as an Emperor. Did this said Emperor Augustus rule over a region called Judea? If he did...

Check, did he ever call for Census? If he did, then know that that was when the said Jesus was born.

Again, Check was there an emperor Cesar? If there was, then know he was the one on the throne when Christ said 'give to cesar what belongs to Cesar. He didn't pull that from thin air.

Again, check, was there a Pontious Pilate? If there was then know he was the one under whose watch Jesus was Crucified.

Was there a Historical Emperor Nero? If there was, then know he was the one who set Rome on Fire and looking for a genuine excuse to kill the followers of Chriat.
Pls note, these things happend looong before Emperor Constantine under whose reign the Catholic Church came to be

These are Historical characters you can find in the Bible, or non-christian history. Do your research let me know.

Rosskii:
The Romans CREATED this person, 'Jesus' in order to NEUTRALIZE the militant, religious fervour of the Jews, awaiting their fearsome messiah.

To PACIFY them, the Romans INVENTED the 'peaceful Lamb of God', who asked that they ''turn the other cheek'', and forgive...

And to ''give unto Caesar what is Caesar's''
THAT WAS HOW ''JESUS'' came about. It was a Roman elite ploy to pacify the militant masses fighting their oppression, from the Middle East to Rome.
.

So, were they pacified?
According to you Jesus never existed in person abi?

And, the Jews who knew this Jesus personally who although agree he was their own, but not the Messiah must be Romans, yes? Do the today Jews deny the human existences of Yashua? No they don't.

I really feel insulted right now that someone with this level of reasoning can tell himself that he is more intelligent that i am because i believe in God.

The rejection of Jesus is usually not so much of the mind but of the Will. Not so much of 'I cant, but i won't, because with all the facts you still find an excuse to reject Jesus. Nsogbu adighi.

Have you asked yourself why the Jews and the Romans converts will accepts the kind of torture they endured for a figure the government invented long before that Faith was accepted by the same governemt? Ó di mma
Now, that the Messiah was created did the Jews accept Him? Were they pacified?

Do you know the insurgency put up by the Jews before General Titus crushed them?

Pls tell me what hope the Christian Apostles had to have accepted the kind of deaths tjey did.

Why did they accept what Nero did to them? They were fed to Lions for a figure their Emperor created? You no dey think so.
Who in particular created this Jesus?

Rosskii:
THAT is why Christianity is headquartered in Rome. THAT is why the gospels were written (anonymously) in Greek and Latin, not in Aramaic, the language of the Jews. That is why the Popes are Europeans, and why christianity is the ''white man's religion''.

Hahahahahahaha. You sir, have got your thinking backwards. Christianity is not headquartered in Rome, Catholicism is, and Catholicism is Hellenism not Christianity. You can't practice Christianity in violation of the tenets of the faith. Catholicism is in clear opposition of what Christianity stands for. We don't worship idols. The Queen of Heaven is a demon of which the Catholics worship as a goddess.

There's nothing you'll say that will sell here.

Rosskii:
It was the reason they introduced christianity to their African colonies the minute they stepped foot here. Christianity calms you down in the face of oppression. It pacifies you. Tells you to await your blessings in the hereafter. This allows the oppressor to do his job, with less trouble from you.

Yeah? Hahahahahahahaha. So atheism puts a knife in your hand to fight and take your inheritances abi? Well, good a thing, the Herdsmen are here, so you atheists shd do us all a favour and get them off the land.

Rosskii:
Christianity was never 'headquartered' in Jerusalem. Was it not the Jews that supposedly rejected Jesus and called for his execution according to the gospels? There may have been a christian sect created there with the help of the Roman rulers, who began talking about a 'gentle, forgiving' messiah, as a means to start pacifying the militant Jews. But they never made any headway, because the Jews did not recognise that messiah.

Titus whom you mentioned as having destroyed Jerusalem, was of the Flavian dynasty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavian_dynasty

The Flavians were at the helm when christianity appeared. They had a hand in its creation.

Your argument dey lick like basket. The Church was not headquartered in Jerusalem because they Jews rejected Jesus abi? So Apostle Pauls back and Forth pmissionary Journeys was from Asia Minor to Rome abi? You too sabi. So na for Rome the Pentecost happen abi? Na for Rome King Herod kill James abi, na for Rome dem put Peter for Prison wey angel fo free am abi. You too much.

Where did you get this your facts from?

Whatever makes you sleep at night. If this is what you call intelligence, then my Lawwwwwd.

Arguments upandan. Una nuh dey taya?

heehhehee. mehn, I wish I was Governor Festus to tell the OP that "much learning is driving you crazy"


Bet I Kant. This seems like a circus of sorts.


I'm too weak to dance and play along Jere.

Emmanystone:
Really? So a historian must be born in the same year or the events he writes before he can be authentic? So a man who gets up to write about the Nigerian Civil War in 2018 will be considered invalidated because he did not fight in the War? Are you really serious?

Look, there was no writer contemporaneous to the era Jesus was supposed to have lived who wrote a single word about him. That is like nobody writing about Mandela till about 40 years after his death. Does that make sense? There were HUNDREDS of prominent writers of the era who wrote about every mundane thing on earth. Yet, NOT ONE mention of Jesus. This man who was going around raising the dead, performing miracles, speaking to ''multitudes'', and later crucified, and yet not a whiff from any writer:

Excerpts:

"There is not a single contemporary historical mention of Jesus, not by Romans or by Jews, not by believers or by unbelievers, not during his entire lifetime. This does not disprove his existence, but it certainly casts great doubt on the historicity of a man who was supposedly widely known to have made a great impact on the world. Someone should have noticed." - Dan Barker

The Gospel story, with its figure of Jesus of Nazareth, cannot be found before the Gospels. In Christian writings earlier than Mark, including almost all of the New Testament epistles, as well as in many writings from the second century, the object of Christian faith is never spoken of as a human man who had recently lived, taught, performed miracles, suffered and died at the hands of human authorities, or rose from a tomb outside Jerusalem. There is no sign in the epistles of Mary or Joseph, Judas or John the Baptist, no birth story, teaching or appointment of apostles by Jesus, no mention of holy places or sites of Jesus’ career, not even the hill of Calvary or the empty tomb. This silence is so pervasive and so perplexing that attempted explanations for it have proven inadequate. - Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle

It may surprise Christians to learn that there are no contemporary historical documents for 'Jesus, the Christ'. The writings of Paul are not contemporary accounts: they do not appear until years after the purported time of Jesus and they include a concession that Paul never actually met Jesus. The Gospels come much later (as evidenced by the fact that Paul never cites them) and there is good reason that all four of the surviving, accepted Gospels are based on Mark, which in turn is likely to be a form of 'Midrash', not historical documentation: (See: http://www.rationalresponders.com/the_gospels_are_midrash)).

While some apologists attempt to wave this problem away by claiming that "Jesus"would not have been a noteworthy figure, this apologetic tactic contradicts what the Gospels say about Jesus. One cannot hold, at the same time, that the Gospels are true eyewitness accounts of actual events, AND that the Jesus figure in those works would not attract the attention of men like Philo, Pliny or Seneca. It's an absurd contradiction.''

http://www.rationalresponders.com/silence_screams_no_contemporary_historical_accounts_quotjesus

Josephus was born 35 yrs after Christ had died. He witnessed the cruel inhuman tortures the followers of this man were made to endure and wrote about it. because what he wrote exposes your excuses, you write him off. Even when you know he didn't write from the stand point of a follower of Christ, but a historian.

Wow, you must be the world's most authentic authority to invalidate all world renown historical scholars who actually believes holds Josefus in high exteme.

Josephus was not contemporary to Jesus and so cannot provide evidence of his existence.

Here is a list of writers contemporary to the 'Jesus' era, none of whom mention him.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/01/1412156495625_wps_3_126_jpg.jpg

Wonderdul. What is your name again, so that i can google you. You too much.

Well, Sir, i'll go with world historians and anthropologist than go with you the yesterday's baby atheist wannabe.

Here are Roman historians (Non-Christians), who wrote
About Jesus.
1. Cornelius Tacitus: (A.D 52). You can find his works in the Annals XV44
2. Tertulian: (AD 197).
3. Thallus. (A Samaritan born historian, AD 221)
4. Bar-Sarepion: (AD 73)
5. Justin Martyr (AD 150)
I can't quote what they said here for want of space, but if you insist i will

NONE of these writers was contemporary to the Jesus era and so are not considered legitimate witnesses. For a writer to be legitimate, he must have lived DURING the time Jesus was meant to be alive, not decades after.

And above all, we shall look at only one of the numerous accounts of Jesus of Nazareth in the Jewish Talmud(Bare in mind, the Jews don't believe in Jesus)

Talmud page 56. "On the eve of the passover they hung Yeshu(of Nazareth) and the herald went before him for 40 days saying, 'Yeshu od Nazareth is going forth to be stoned in that he had practiced sorcery and beguiled and led astray Israel. Let e everyone knowing aught in his defence come and plead for him. But they they found aught in his defence and hanged him on the eve of passover (Babylonia Sanhedrin.439).

Amoa Ulla, a Jew. A disciple of a certain R. Youchanan in Palestine then wrote about Jesus. "And do you suppose that for Yeshu (Jesus), there was any right of appeal? He was a beguiler and the merciful one(YHWH) has said, 'Thou shall not spare neither shalt thou conceal him. It is otherwise with Yeshu for he was near to the cvil authority "

If you doubt Roman Historians believing they invented Jesus, excuse the Jews too.

The Romans colonised and occupied Judaea. It was a cakewalk for them to rope in some rabbis and have them include falsehoods in their Talmud.

Why did the Jews not recognise this Roman-invented messiah? Ask even the modern so called Jews, who still don't accept him.

So, who did the Catholic Encyclopedia say wrote the gospels?

Will you rather believe the Catholics who came in 4th Centruey AD and doubt Eyewitnesses as follows?

John20:30-31
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1 John:1:1

(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
1 John:1:2
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1 John:1:3
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
Luke:1:1

Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
Luke:1:2
[/b]It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
Luke:1:3
Acts 1:1-3, 1Cor 15:5-8, Acts 10:39-42, 1peter 5:1 and Acts 26:24-28 says the exact same thing. They were eye witnesses of Christ.
believe the Catholics to your own peril

Stop using bible texts to debate pro-bible sentiments. That lacks credibility. Use independent sources and data.

Oh, you are still to learn the history of how that began. As you well know, then to be a conqueror and have others pay teibute to you, you must win or conquer them in battle. The territories you conquer, you subdue, if you are conquered, you are subdued.

Emperor Constantine was losing grounds as an emperor, when his wife came with a dream she always had. She said she saw the Roman Arny flying Red Crosses in thw battle runs, and they alwsy won when thet did, but when they didn't they lost. She advised the Army flew Flags with Red Crosses. They did and they won all their battles.

The emperor saw a source of power over his enemies, hence; he adopted Christianity as a state religion. That gave rise to the organization called 'Red Cross' flown by the Crusaders. Which later became a charitable organization. That's the root.

That is the ''root'' they TOLD YOU. ''Oh, he saw a vision in the sky and then adopted christianity''. The story for the masses. DUDE, USE YOUR HEAD. The Roman Empire was a highly sophisticated operation. What they did, they did for specific reasons. Political, economic and hegemonic reasons.

I hope you know Apostle Paul was a prisoner of the Roman empire not too long after the Ascension? This your theory is so porous and laughable.

Paul, if he existed, was a stooge of Rome. Rome incorporated many local stooges and sellouts.


Paul was accused by Jews of bad-mouthing the old testament law "everywhere" and polluting the temple with Greeks. Evidently, not James, nor the elders, nor the "thousands" of Jesus converts, say a word in Paul's defence.

Jewish mobs tried to kill him, and he was rescued by the Romans!

''Rescued by (good) Romans from the clutches of the (bad) Jews, Paul is taken into detention where he reveals that he is not an Egyptian revolutionary (Acts 21:38; copied from Antiquities 20.169) but a "free born Roman citizen".

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/paul-in-jerusalem.html

Paul - if he existed, was a local sellout to Rome.

I expected that a man who claims a superior intelligence over a religious person will use his common sense to ascertain certain things before mouthing them out

Listen, this is how you know that who ever wrote your conspiracy theory did not calculate well. And you were too much in a hurry that you couldn't double check.

Go back in history and chack if first, they was a Roman Empire. If there was, check if there was a particular Emperor by name Augustus, and when he reigned as an Emperor. Did this said Emperor Augustus rule over a region called Judea? If he did...

Check, did he ever call for Census? If he did, then know that that was when the said Jesus was born.

Again, Check was there an emperor Cesar? If there was, then know he was the one on the throne when Christ said 'give to cesar what belongs to Cesar. He didn't pull that from thin air.

Again, check, was there a Pontious Pilate? If there was then know he was the one under whose watch Jesus was Crucified.

Was there a Historical Emperor Nero? If there was, then know he was the one who set Rome on Fire and looking for a genuine excuse to kill the followers of Chriat.
Pls note, these things happend looong before Emperor Constantine under whose reign the Catholic Church came to be

These are Historical characters you can find in the Bible, or non-christian history. Do your research let me know.

It is a well-known literary technique to invent a character, and then weave his story through actual existing eras, personalities, and epochs. So just because you see Jesus mentioned alongside people like Caesar and Herod, does not mean Jesus existed.

Do the today Jews deny the human existences of Yashua? No they don't.

Because they have been fooled by the inventors of the Christ personality. Just like you've been fooled.

I really feel insulted right now that someone with this level of reasoning can tell himself that he is more intelligent that i am because i believe in God.

Belief in God is NOT synonymous with belief in Jesus. Billions of people on earth believe in God and do not believe in 'Jesus'. Your ancestors believed in God, and knew nothing about a 'Jesus'. Humans have been on earth for tens of thousands of years. Possibly hundreds of thousands of years. The Jesus story is only 2000 years old. Don't insult humanity's intelligence by daring to equate your Johnny Just Come Roman invention with the Creator, and belief in the Creator. Understood?

Rosskii:
Look, there was no writer contemporaneous to the era Jesus was supposed to have lived who wrote a single word about him. That is like nobody writing about Mandela till about 40 years after his death. Does that make sense? There were HUNDREDS of prominent writers of the era who wrote about every mundane thing on earth. Yet, NOT ONE mention of Jesus. This man who was going around raising the dead, performing miracles, and later crucified, and yet not a whiff from any writer:

Excerpts:

"There is not a single contemporary historical mention of Jesus, not by Romans or by Jews, not by believers or by unbelievers, not during his entire lifetime. This does not disprove his existence, but it certainly casts great doubt on the historicity of a man who was supposedly widely known to have made a great impact on the world. Someone should have noticed." - Dan Barker

The Gospel story, with its figure of Jesus of Nazareth, cannot be found before the Gospels. In Christian writings earlier than Mark, including almost all of the New Testament epistles, as well as in many writings from the second century, the object of Christian faith is never spoken of as a human man who had recently lived, taught, performed miracles, suffered and died at the hands of human authorities, or rose from a tomb outside Jerusalem. There is no sign in the epistles of Mary or Joseph, Judas or John the Baptist, no birth story, teaching or appointment of apostles by Jesus, no mention of holy places or sites of Jesus’ career, not even the hill of Calvary or the empty tomb. This silence is so pervasive and so perplexing that attempted explanations for it have proven inadequate. - Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle

It may surprise Christians to learn that there are no contemporary historical documents for 'Jesus, the Christ'. The writings of Paul are not contemporary accounts: they do not appear until years after the purported time of Jesus and they include a concession that Paul never actually met Jesus. The Gospels come much later (as evidenced by the fact that Paul never cites them) and there is good reason that all four of the surviving, accepted Gospels are based on Mark, which in turn is likely to be a form of 'Midrash', not historical documentation: (See: http://www.rationalresponders.com/the_gospels_are_midrash)).

While some apologists attempt to wave this problem away by claiming that "Jesus"would not have been a noteworthy figure, this apologetic tactic contradicts what the Gospels say about Jesus. One cannot hold, at the same time, that the Gospels are true eyewitness accounts of actual events, AND that the Jesus figure in those works would not attract the attention of men like Philo, Pliny or Seneca. It's an absurd contradiction.''

http://www.rationalresponders.com/silence_screams_no_contemporary_historical_accounts_quotjesus




Josephus was not contemporary to Jesus and so cannot provide evidence of his existence.

Here is a list of writers contemporary to the 'Jesus' era, none of whom mention him.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/01/1412156495625_wps_3_126_jpg.jpg




NONE of these writers was contemporary to the Jesus era and so are not considered legitimate witnesses. For a writer to be legitimate, he must have loved DURING the time Jesus was meant to be alive, not decades after.




The Romans colonised and occupied Judaea. It was a cakewalk for them to rope in some rabbis and have them include falsehoods in their Talmud.

Why did the Jews not recognise this Roman-invented messiah? Ask even the modern so called Jews, who still don't accept him.






Stop using bible texts to debate pro-bible sentiments. That lacks credibility. Use independent sources and data.





That is the ''root'' they TOLD YOU. ''Oh, he saw a vision in the sky and then adopted christianity''. The story for the masses. DUDE, USE YOUR HEAD. The Roman Empire was a highly sophisticated operation. What they did, they did for specific reasons. Political, economic and hegemonic reasons.




Paul, if he existed, was a stooge of Rome. Rome incorporated many local stooges and sellouts.


Paul was accused by Jews of bad-mouthing the old testament law "everywhere" and polluting the temple with Greeks. Evidently, not James, nor the elders, nor the "thousands" of Jesus converts, say a word in Paul's defence.

Jewish mobs tried to kill him, and he was rescued by the Romans!

''Rescued by (good) Romans from the clutches of the (bad) Jews, Paul is taken into detention where he reveals that he is not an Egyptian revolutionary (Acts 21:38; copied from Antiquities 20.169) but a "free born Roman citizen".

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/paul-in-jerusalem.html

Paul - if he existed, was a local sellout to Rome.




It is a well-known literary technique to invent a character, and then weave his story through actual existing eras, personalities, and epochs. So just because you see Jesus mentioned alongside people like Caesar and Herod, does not mean Jesus existed.



Because they have been fooled by the inventors of the Christ personality. Just like you've been fooled.



Belief in God does NOT equate to belief in Jesus. Billions of people on earth believe in God and do not believe in 'Jesus'. Your ancestors believed in God, and knew nothing about 'Jesus'. Humans have been on earth for tens of thousands of years. Possibly hundreds of thousands of years. The Jesus story is only 2000 years old. Don't insult humanity's intelligence by daring to equate your Johnny Just Come Roman invention with the Creator, and belief in same. Understood?

Okay, YHWH, Jesus and non of the Apostles existed. Are you happy now?

When i see your moniker talking about whether or not Jesus existed, i will consider you disturbed.

Jesus doesn't exist, now have peace.

Emmanystone:
Okay, YHWH, Jesus and non of the Apostles existed. Are you happy now?

When i see your moniker talking about whether or not Jesus existed, i will consider you disturbed.

Jesus doesn't exist, now have peace.

She chickened out.

Apostle Paul doubted Jesus existence and almost convinced that his faith and all long preaching could be in vain. How much more a Nigerian that has been brainwashed and thought her ancestors are demons.

What could be more demonic than followership of roman invention, a cult where hatred of one parent, siblings and in laws is the pass into discipleship.

FOLYKAZE:
She chickened out.

Apostle Paul doubted Jesus existence and almost convinced that his faith and all long preaching could be in vain. How much more a Nigerian that has been brainwashed and thought her ancestors are demons.

What could be more demonic than followership of roman invention, a cult where hatred of one parent, siblings and in laws is the pass into discipleship.

Demons lie to hell. Just imagine your lies. Does it make you feel good in your demon's worship? Yes it does. When satan lies, he speaks his native language...

Jesus told you to hate your parents, where? And do you see Christians around you hating their parents and siblings saying it's what the Bible says? Liars have their place in hellfire.

You can start by posting where Apostle doubted the existences of Jesus. Even if he did, i am Apostle Paul?

What do i expect

Emmanystone:
Demons lie to hell. Just imagine your lies. Does it make you feel good in your demon's worship? Yes it does. When satan lies, he speaks his native language...

Jesus told you to hate your parents, where? And do you see Christians around you hating their parents and siblings saying it's what the Bible says? Liars have their place in hellfire.

You can start by posting where Apostle doubted the existences of Jesus. Even if he did, i am Apostle Paul?

What do i expect

Yahweh lied, maybe he is the demon, and was hell bent slandering another person image. He sent the spirit of lie, the one he created for a sinister motive, made a creature in his own image lie so that he could hang the soul. He caused a man to lie by possessing a king with lying spirit, he then turn around to kill the king...what a wicked and demonic god you worship. Even Jesus lied...is your sweet jesus a demon too?

Yahweh created evil, caused calamity and disaster to happen in the nation of people. Yahweh, we know is the devilish demon. It is your duty to tell us about demon worship because you worship one.

Jesus told those who wants to follow him. He said if you will become my disciple, you have to hate your parents, hate your siblings, hate your in laws and love him only. Oh, maybe you have not gotten there in your sunday school. Or your teacher is not teaching it. But seeing your behaviour, you knew about that teaching of hating one parent as Jesus taught you, and you have exhibited it on many threads. You Emmanystone is a disgruntled hateful beast. A beast who sees everyone who doesn't believe in her fantasy as hellbond. A beast who believe her ancestors are in hellfire for not accepting the Roman fiction. We have many of you in the society. They are not only believers but hateful toward their parents because they found a new faith.

Apostle Paul is the founder of Christianity. He found the new religion on the legend generally believed in his days. If he doubted the existence of Jesus, it mean the faith has no solid foundation and it is scam. It is good you were scammed but very bad you lose your conscience after been brainwashed.

Today is Easter, the day Jesus resurrection is celebrated. Your ancestors celebrate Egungun too or any ancestor worship in their culture. If your parents worship are demonic, how is your zombie jesus easter festival Godly? The Easter legend is well known though

Apostle Paul(Saul) must have come from the Family of Flavius.
The Gospel was written in Latin directly from The Hebrew Scrolls and not from The Septuagints.
Also The Flavius Family must have had The Grace to invent such an everlasting Miracle from The Supreme Spirit.
Yours is a good Research.

FOLYKAZE:
Yahweh lied, maybe he is the demon, and was hell bent slandering another person image. He sent the spirit of lie, the one he created for a sinister motive, made a creature in his own image lie so that he could hang the soul. He caused a man to lie by possessing a king with lying spirit, he then turn around to kill the king...what a wicked and demonic god you worship. Even Jesus lied...is your sweet jesus a demon too?

Yahweh created evil, caused calamity and disaster to happen in the nation of people. Yahweh, we know is the devilish demon. It is your duty to tell us about demon worship because you worship one.

Jesus told those who wants to follow him. He said if you will become my disciple, you have to hate your parents, hate your siblings, hate your in laws and love him only. Oh, maybe you have not gotten there in your sunday school. Or your teacher is not teaching it. But seeing your behaviour, you knew about that teaching of hating one parent as Jesus taught you, and you have exhibited it on many threads. You Emmanystone is a disgruntled hateful beast. A beast who sees everyone who doesn't believe in her fantasy as hellbond. A beast who believe her ancestors are in hellfire for not accepting the Roman fiction. We have many of you in the society. They are not only believers but hateful toward their parents because they found a new faith.

Apostle Paul is the founder of Christianity. He found the new religion on the legend generally believed in his days. If he doubted the existence of Jesus, it mean the faith has no solid foundation and it is scam. It is good you were scammed but very bad you lose your conscience after been brainwashed.

Today is Easter, the day Jesus resurrection is celebrated. Your ancestors celebrate Egungun too or any ancestor worship in their culture. If your parents worship are demonic, how is your zombie jesus easter festival Godly? The Easter legend is well known though

Wow, guy calm down. Why this kind of anger on a resurrection day? Pls don't go into epileptic seizures. Me and you don quarrel before?

Choi, demons dey vex when you expose them.

Ancestors are still demons.

Rosskii:
Look, there was no writer contemporaneous to the era Jesus was supposed to have lived who wrote a single word about him. That is like nobody writing about Mandela till about 40 years after his death. Does that make sense? There were HUNDREDS of prominent writers of the era who wrote about every mundane thing on earth. Yet, NOT ONE mention of Jesus. This man who was going around raising the dead, performing miracles, and later crucified, and yet not a whiff from any writer:

Excerpts:

"There is not a single contemporary historical mention of Jesus, not by Romans or by Jews, not by believers or by unbelievers, not during his entire lifetime. This does not disprove his existence, but it certainly casts great doubt on the historicity of a man who was supposedly widely known to have made a great impact on the world. Someone should have noticed." - Dan Barker

The Gospel story, with its figure of Jesus of Nazareth, cannot be found before the Gospels. In Christian writings earlier than Mark, including almost all of the New Testament epistles, as well as in many writings from the second century, the object of Christian faith is never spoken of as a human man who had recently lived, taught, performed miracles, suffered and died at the hands of human authorities, or rose from a tomb outside Jerusalem. There is no sign in the epistles of Mary or Joseph, Judas or John the Baptist, no birth story, teaching or appointment of apostles by Jesus, no mention of holy places or sites of Jesus’ career, not even the hill of Calvary or the empty tomb. This silence is so pervasive and so perplexing that attempted explanations for it have proven inadequate. - Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle

It may surprise Christians to learn that there are no contemporary historical documents for 'Jesus, the Christ'. The writings of Paul are not contemporary accounts: they do not appear until years after the purported time of Jesus and they include a concession that Paul never actually met Jesus. The Gospels come much later (as evidenced by the fact that Paul never cites them) and there is good reason that all four of the surviving, accepted Gospels are based on Mark, which in turn is likely to be a form of 'Midrash', not historical documentation: (See: http://www.rationalresponders.com/the_gospels_are_midrash)).

While some apologists attempt to wave this problem away by claiming that "Jesus"would not have been a noteworthy figure, this apologetic tactic contradicts what the Gospels say about Jesus. One cannot hold, at the same time, that the Gospels are true eyewitness accounts of actual events, AND that the Jesus figure in those works would not attract the attention of men like Philo, Pliny or Seneca. It's an absurd contradiction.''

http://www.rationalresponders.com/silence_screams_no_contemporary_historical_accounts_quotjesus




Josephus was not contemporary to Jesus and so cannot provide evidence of his existence.

Here is a list of writers contemporary to the 'Jesus' era, none of whom mention him.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/01/1412156495625_wps_3_126_jpg.jpg




NONE of these writers was contemporary to the Jesus era and so are not considered legitimate witnesses. For a writer to be legitimate, he must have lived DURING the time Jesus was meant to be alive, not decades after.




The Romans colonised and occupied Judaea. It was a cakewalk for them to rope in some rabbis and have them include falsehoods in their Talmud.

Why did the Jews not recognise this Roman-invented messiah? Ask even the modern so called Jews, who still don't accept him.






Stop using bible texts to debate pro-bible sentiments. That lacks credibility. Use independent sources and data.





That is the ''root'' they TOLD YOU. ''Oh, he saw a vision in the sky and then adopted christianity''. The story for the masses. DUDE, USE YOUR HEAD. The Roman Empire was a highly sophisticated operation. What they did, they did for specific reasons. Political, economic and hegemonic reasons.




Paul, if he existed, was a stooge of Rome. Rome incorporated many local stooges and sellouts.


Paul was accused by Jews of bad-mouthing the old testament law "everywhere" and polluting the temple with Greeks. Evidently, not James, nor the elders, nor the "thousands" of Jesus converts, say a word in Paul's defence.

Jewish mobs tried to kill him, and he was rescued by the Romans!

''Rescued by (good) Romans from the clutches of the (bad) Jews, Paul is taken into detention where he reveals that he is not an Egyptian revolutionary (Acts 21:38; copied from Antiquities 20.169) but a "free born Roman citizen".

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/paul-in-jerusalem.html

Paul - if he existed, was a local sellout to Rome.




It is a well-known literary technique to invent a character, and then weave his story through actual existing eras, personalities, and epochs. So just because you see Jesus mentioned alongside people like Caesar and Herod, does not mean Jesus existed.



Because they have been fooled by the inventors of the Christ personality. Just like you've been fooled.



Belief in God is NOT synonymous with belief in Jesus. Billions of people on earth believe in God and do not believe in 'Jesus'. Your ancestors believed in God, and knew nothing about 'Jesus'. Humans have been on earth for tens of thousands of years. Possibly hundreds of thousands of years. The Jesus story is only 2000 years old. Don't insult humanity's intelligence by daring to equate your Johnny Just Come Roman invention with the Creator, and belief in the Creator. Understood?

Wow! You often write a load of dubiously sourced Afrocentrist horseshit masquerading as serious historical academic scholarship, but you did your homework today.

Take a bow. You're doing the Lord's work.

Emmanystone:
Wow, guy calm down. Why this kind of anger on a resurrection day? Pls don't go into epileptic seizures. Me and you don quarrel before?

Choi, demons dey vex when you expose them.

Ancestors are still demons.

Resurrection of zombies. Jesus nd Yahweh are demons. The later love for blood is out of this world.

How have you been faring hating your father and mother?

FOLYKAZE:
Resurrection of zombies. Jesus nd Yahweh are demons. The later love for blood is out of this world.

How have you been faring hating your father and mother?

Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exodus:20:12

Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Ephesians:6:1

Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
Ephesians:6:2

That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
Ephesians:6:3

^^^^These must be coming from your ancestors.

Emmanystone:
Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exodus:20:12

Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Ephesians:6:1

Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
Ephesians:6:2

That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
Ephesians:6:3

^^^^These must be coming from your ancestors.

Ohhh. Those are the cherry picked verses your sunday school teacher taught you. You, however, was so dumb not to explore the bible more.

Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.


That is not enough. Do you want more nugget? It is surprising you are a hateful brainwashed lad but you are only following the teaching of your pastor. He could have told you about how you should hate your non Christian parents, grannies and extended family. He would have told you countless rhetoric about how association with these fella would make you end in some imaginary hell. He didn't actually backed it up with bible verses like that above. Hating one parent is the pass intp discipleship and Jesus followership.

Deuteronomy 33:9
The Levites obeyed your word and guarded your covenant. They were more loyal to you than to their own parents. They ignored their relatives and did not acknowledge their own children.

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

You want more fun dear?

Only a demon would command her followers to hate their parents and siblings. We call this form of followership christinsanity.

The demon has made you hate your parents. Tell us how much you hate them

FOLYKAZE:
Ohhh. Those are the cherry picked verses your sunday school teacher taught you. You, however, was so dumb not to explore the bible more.

Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.


That is not enough. Do you want more nugget? It is surprising you are a hateful brainwashed lad but you are only following the teaching of your pastor. He could have told you about how you should hate your non Christian parents, grannies and extended family. He would have told you countless rhetoric about how association with these fella would make you end in some imaginary hell. He didn't actually backed it up with bible verses like that above. Hating one parent is the pass intp discipleship and Jesus followership.

Deuteronomy 33:9
The Levites obeyed your word and guarded your covenant. They were more loyal to you than to their own parents. They ignored their relatives and did not acknowledge their own children.

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

You want more fun dear?

Only a demon would command her followers to hate their parents and siblings. We call this form of followership christinsanity.

The demon has made you hate your parents. Tell us how much you hate them

See Epilepsy. In a bit to post scriptures out of context you went from one seizure to hemorrhage. Make sure your brain doesn't crash.

The bolded exposed you satan.

How do you hate your life to follow God? When you can answer me that, i will expose more of your lies.

Obi1kenobi:
Wow! You often write a load of dubiously sourced Afrocentrist horseshit masquerading as serious historical academic scholarship, but you did your homework today.

Take a bow. You're doing the Lord's work.

Just because you hate the TRUTHS of the black past (being a white man pretending to be black), it doesn't mean the sources used to present those truths are ''dubious''. For example, Herodotus is called the 'Father of History' in the west. He wrote that Ancient Egypt - that great civilization which gave the world so much - was a country of negroes. And he was an eyewitness. The book in which he wrote it is called 'Histories'. It is not ''dubious''. It's a world famous work.

Emmanystone:
See Epilepsy. In a bit to post scriptures out of context you went from one seizure to hemorrhage. Make sure your brain doesn't crash.

The bolded exposed you satan.

How do you hate your life to follow God? When you can answer me that, i will expose more of your lies.

Shiiit. I never saw it coming. Do you christians have a thinking cap?

Before I start, have you seen that your beloved Jewish demon called Jesus(the real jew observed he was likely possessed) is narcissistic cult leader. He is passing n instruction for his new prey to turn against their parents, friends and family, and join his new cult - anti family cult. You have actually been misled. No family love in Christianity.

The answer to your question is straight. It has to do with personal growth.

The levite gave all they had to Yahweh, their imaginary skydaddy, and they had nothing unto their name because Yahweh has denied them a free live. Yahweh made their life miserable by making them live in penury. They had no inheritance, no land, no farm, no money, and no good life. They hated their own life so well that they had to drop it for Yahweh new fond kind of life.

Some of the disciple of Jesus were fishermen, tax collector, physician and many other professions. This is their OWN life until Jesus asked them to thrashed that and live in abject poverty to preach evangelism and beg for food.

Would anyone who love his life thrash his field to live another one laid out by Yahweh?


Jesus explain better....

Mark 8:34-38:
And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it. For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul? For what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

Jesus that wants one to hate his family, friends and deny self from living life fruitfully is a kind of Charles Manson.

A God who wants his followers to hate their people is a demon.

A God who doesn't want to enjoy life or deny himself fruitful things on earth is a demon.

You have failed to tell us how hateful you are toward your parents.

Rosskii:
Just because you hate the TRUTHS of the black past (being a white man pretending to be black), it doesn't mean the sources used to present those truths are ''dubious''. For example, Herodotus is called the 'Father of History' in the west. He wrote that Ancient Egypt - that great civilization which gave the world so much - was a country of negroes. And he was an eyewitness. The book in which he wrote it is called 'Histories'. It is not ''dubious''. It's a world famous work.

I hate no truths. I hate myths. When you start arguing shiit like saying Igbos are Jews and Ashkenazi people are fake Jews and all that nonsense, there's only fantasy.

Depends what you think Herodotus meant by "Negro". If you think he meant Berbers, Cushites, Ethiopian Semites etc (Jews today use the same derogatory word they've called Cushitic people for thousands of years to describe black people of Niger-Congo origin), then that wouldn't be far from accurate. If you think he's referring to Niger-Congo Bantus, you're deluded.

FOLYKAZE:
Shiiit. I never saw it coming. Do you christians have a thinking cap?

Before I start, have you seen that your beloved Jewish demon called Jesus(the real jew observed he was likely possessed) is narcissistic cult leader. He is passing n instruction for his new prey to turn against their parents, friends and family, and join his new cult - anti family cult. You have actually been misled. No family love in Christianity.

The answer to your question is straight. It has to do with personal growth.

The levite gave all they had to Yahweh, their imaginary skydaddy, and they had nothing unto their name because Yahweh has denied them a free live. Yahweh made their life miserable by making them live in penury. They had no inheritance, no land, no farm, no money, and no good life. They hated their own life so well that they had to drop it for Yahweh new fond kind of life.

Some of the disciple of Jesus were fishermen, tax collector, physician and many other professions. This is their OWN life until Jesus asked them to thrashed that and live in abject poverty to preach evangelism and beg for food.

Would anyone who love his life thrash his field to live another one laid out by Yahweh?


Jesus explain better....

Mark 8:34-38:
And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it. For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul? For what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

Jesus that wants one to hate his family, friends and deny self from living life fruitfully is a kind of Charles Manson.

A God who wants his followers to hate their people is a demon.

A God who doesn't want to enjoy life or deny himself fruitful things on earth is a demon.

You have failed to tell us how hateful you are toward your parents.

Guy, you so pained. I have to let you be now, before someone's blood will be required of my hands.

The rate at which you are fuming, you can hemorrhage internally and fall dead. God for bit me to have your blood on me

Ancestors are still demons tho.

FOLYKAZE:
The biitch chickened out again.

Christians have a record of hating on every member of their famiy, friends or any one that does not practice their doctrine. Have you wondered why Deeperlife member won't fellowship with Celestial member? Have you wondered why one of couple would force his/her new wedded spouse to join his church? Have you seen the bitterness in MFM and Lord chosen members? The religion is founded on hatred. A religion that even went fall asking one to hate his own life. Is that one religion?

You lad have been misled by the fraudsters you call pastors. Your ancestors ars not demons, they only brainwashed you and make you see them as such. The real demon is Yahweh and his Zombie son on Earth.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

The Bible text above shows that Yahweh created evil and he is the perpetrator of the evil things that happen around. Can't you see that your God is the real devil, demon and satan?

Jesus was even observed that he is possessed by the demons

John 8:48
The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"

Firstly, Jesus is a bastard. His paternity root have not trace David ancestry. Joseph is not his father. Mary was probably raped by Angel Gabriel.

Secondly, the Jew, descendant of David were right. Jesus is possessed by his demonic father in Heaven.

The real devil dear is your father in heaven and his zombie coward son Jesus.

I never knew you were like this. How many of them are living inside of you?