Muslims claim not to drink any intoxicating liquor but they smoke it. How can one describe that?

They do not allow girls to dress indecently but they watch porn and invite Beyoncé to their cool parties. Is that not hypocrisy?

They are allowed to rape girls but the girls are not allowed to protest against rape. what do you call that?

The men are allowed to walk around in swim suits and exposed chests, while the women are not allowed to swim without covering their hair even under water. No be winch be that?

When a Muslim says inshallah, consider that a 30% a non-commitment. Why lie with Allah to fool others?

Fornication is a sin in Islam, no man has been punished for fornicating but people get short sleeves for stealing maggi and drink tomboh. what is that called?

a religion where no man can challenge the imam or ask serious questions to quench his taste, da one na wetin?

in all sharia countries they build walls as high as prison walls to secure themselves. if it is a religion of peace, why is every man building high walls?

why do Muslims countries always have the poor assembling at the gates of the rich for food? you steal public fund and give stipends for thanks.

why do rich muslims send their kids to western schools and the poor to almajiri?

why do christian pastors steal from parishioners and f*ck choir gals when it is clearly stated in your bible that thou shalt not steal or commit adultery

scaramenga:
why do christian pastors steal from parishioners and f*ck choir gals when it is clearly stated in your bible that thou shalt not steal or commit adultery

that is evil and I am the first to condemn it. It happens in the church and I agree, now, will you agree that Muslims have been hiding their crimes for centuries now and it is time to ask questions? I go to the mosque as well and I have seen many things that I feel should be addressed. I need the change and people like you should come out and speak out

person wey do dem this thing don die for saudi arabia tey tey, we for go beg am.

This is a good question
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kolawoleibukun:
that is evil and I am the first to condemn it. It happens in the church and I agree, now, will you agree that Muslims have been hiding their crimes for centuries now and it is time to ask questions? I go to the mosque as well and I have seen many things that I feel should be addressed. I need the change and people like you should come out and speak out

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kolawoleibukun:
Muslims claim not to drink any intoxicating liquor but they smoke it. How can one describe that?

All intoxicants are prohibited. Muslims who smoke cigarettes or weed, or otherwise smoke or snort hard drugs mostly are ignorant of the rulings or are being deliberately disobedient.

kolawoleibukun:

They do not allow girls to dress indecently but they watch porn and invite Beyoncé to their cool parties. Is that not hypocrisy?

Contrary to popular unbeliever opinion, it is not 'Muslims' who dictate what girls should wear, but the Creator. That apart, there are some Muslims who watch pornography and even invite Beyonce to their parties. Yes it is hypocrisy, and again, deliberate disobedience of the Will of the Almighty. Certainly not all Muslims are that bold.

kolawoleibukun:


They are allowed to rape girls but the girls are not allowed to protest against rape. what do you call that?

Untrue. Proven rape of a woman is punishable by death in the sharia. No Muslim is allowed to rape women. Rape incidence in Muslim countries is among the lowest in the world. In Saudi Arabia for example, rape is very rare. On the other hand, FBI rape statistics cite a rape in the Christian US every 4 minutes approximately.

kolawoleibukun:

The men are allowed to walk around in swim suits and exposed chests, while the women are not allowed to swim without covering their hair even under water. No be winch be that?

Men also have dress codes, though less well known than the hijab of women which is more visible. The clothing must loosely cover the area between the navel and hang below the knees, so a swimsuit is not proper dressing for a man. Modesty is greatly enjoined in Islam and any form of lewdness and pathway to the public display of sexuality is discouraged. The dressing of the man is necessarily more lenient than that of the woman because a man may be expected to engage in physical labour like brick making or carrying load, which will necessitate his having to discard his upper clothing. Women are not expected to engage in such labour. Furthermore, while men tend to be sexually attracted by what they see, women require more indepth knowledge of a man before he is seen as a viable partner, so a man's bare chest is highly unlikely to be as attractive to a woman as a woman's bare chest is to a man. Even non Muslims know this, which is why women are not permitted to open their chests in public in most countries.

kolawoleibukun:

When a Muslim says inshallah, consider that a 30% a non-commitment. Why lie with Allah to fool others?

Insha Allah means if Allah wills it, or if Allah permits it. It is not used to fool anyone, but to express the fact that man proposes and God disposes. I can tell you that I will do such and such tomorrow, but what if I die before then? That is why we use insha Allah. Your 30% statistic is nonsensical and obviously pulled out of nowhere.

kolawoleibukun:

Fornication is a sin in Islam, no man has been punished for fornicating but people get short sleeves for stealing maggi and drink tomboh. what is that called?

Men are punished for fornicating. Men are also punished for stealing. The one crime does not exonerate the other. Having said that, the punishment for stealing is not applicable if the stolen property falls below a certain value, so your maggi example is untrue. Also, there are certain circumstances under which stealing is not punishable, like times of famine, or if the stolen object is a food item that was stolen to satisfy hunger.

kolawoleibukun:

a religion where no man can challenge the imam or ask serious questions to quench his taste, da one na wetin?

That is most untrue. Perhaps you are referring to the 'touch-not-my-anointed' syndrome exclusive to Christianity. In Islam, we are allowed to challenge anyone who preaches anything that goes against the evidence available to all. Also, anyone, even children, are free to ask any question they wish, and the Quran vehemently reprimands anyone who witholds knowledge from those seeking to learn. An imam is merely one who leads the obligatory prayer, and may give a lecture on Fridays and the Eid days. He usually does not own the mosque which is a community effort, nor does he have any right to enforce his opinion on any Muslim and must always back it up with evidence from the Quran or hadith. A Muslim is also not restricted to any specific mosque and can pray wherever he wants to without hindrance if he so wishes.

kolawoleibukun:

in all sharia countries they build walls as high as prison walls to secure themselves. if it is a religion of peace, why is every man building high walls?

Incorrect. I never saw a fence within the cities in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Qatar or most other Muslim countries. In fact, Fences are a common phenomenon only in Nigeria. Even homeowners in countries like Ghana, Gambia, Senegal or Benin rarely build high walls with glass bottles and barbed wire to keep thieves out. In the Northern parts of Nigeria, there are less high walled compound than other parts of Nigeria. Muslim society is generally a safer one.

kolawoleibukun:

why do Muslims countries always have the poor assembling at the gates of the rich for food? you steal public fund and give stipends for thanks.

Because Muslims are generous. We are enjoined to feed the poor. Even if your assertion that it is stolen pubic funds that is used to give stipends to the poor, at least some thought is spared for them. Which is better? To steal and share generously, or to steal and keep only for yourself?

kolawoleibukun:

why do rich muslims send their kids to western schools and the poor to almajiri?

The only obligatory payment out of one's wealth is the zakah. After that, one can do whatever one deems fit with his/her wealth as long as there is no squandering of wealth. If I choose to use my hard-earned wealth to send my children to expensive schools, this is my privilege. If you are referring to the type of education given, then this is untrue. Most educated Muslims, rich or poor, make sure that their children receive a balanced education that will enable them to earn a living in this world and obtain reward in the hereafter. Earning a living in a halal way, through using one's skills is as much a divine command as learning to pray and fast.

All in all, I would have to say that this is a biased article which just nitpicks the worst deeds from among the most astray of sinful Muslims and seeks to showcase them as being uniform to all Muslims. This type of generalisation is dishonest. There are some pious Muslims who seek to live piously, and do not engage wilfully in all that you accuse them of, and there are some sinful Muslims who may do even worse than you wrote up there, and a lot in between. So please do not generalise foolishly.

kolawoleibukun:
that is evil and I am the first to condemn it. It happens in the church and I agree, now, will you agree that Muslims have been hiding their crimes for centuries now and it is time to ask questions? I go to the mosque as well and I have seen many things that I feel should be addressed. I need the change and people like you should come out and speak out

farmerforlife has answered you. You are only seeking attention here.

kolawoleibukun:
Muslims claim not to drink any intoxicating liquor but they smoke it. How can one describe that?

They do not allow girls to dress indecently but they watch porn and invite Beyoncé to their cool parties. Is that not hypocrisy?

They are allowed to rape girls but the girls are not allowed to protest against rape. what do you call that?

The men are allowed to walk around in swim suits and exposed chests, while the women are not allowed to swim without covering their hair even under water. No be winch be that?

When a Muslim says inshallah, consider that a 30% a non-commitment. Why lie with Allah to fool others?

Fornication is a sin in Islam, no man has been punished for fornicating but people get short sleeves for stealing maggi and drink tomboh. what is that called?

a religion where no man can challenge the imam or ask serious questions to quench his taste, da one na wetin?

in all sharia countries they build walls as high as prison walls to secure themselves. if it is a religion of peace, why is every man building high walls?

why do Muslims countries always have the poor assembling at the gates of the rich for food? you steal public fund and give stipends for thanks.

why do rich muslims send their kids to western schools and the poor to almajiri?

Your #1 problem is generalization (bold references). As for "why muslim countries always have poor assembling of poor at the gate of rich", first all, there will always be poor people. Are you saying there aren't poor people in western/christian world?. See attachments are pictures of poor and needy assemblies at church and charity places in America. Last picture are poor and needy people lined up for food at a church in Hawaii. They do not give them money at these locations. You want to talk about lining up for money, them plenty for USA. Why do you think they have WIC (women, infants and children), EBT, SNAP, food stamp etc. These programs are designed to help poor people. They line up there all the time. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean there aren't poor and needy in non-muslim countries. I dont understand how you guys think sometimes

Farmerforlife:


All intoxicants are prohibited. Muslims who smoke cigarettes or weed, or otherwise smoke or snort hard drugs mostly are ignorant of the rulings or are being deliberately disobedient.



Contrary to popular unbeliever opinion, it is not 'Muslims' who dictate what girls should wear, but the Creator. That apart, there are some Muslims who watch pornography and even invite Beyonce to their parties. Yes it is hypocrisy, and again, deliberate disobedience of the Will of the Almighty. Certainly not all Muslims are that bold.



Untrue. Proven rape of a woman is punishable by death in the sharia. No Muslim is allowed to rape women. Rape incidence in Muslim countries is among the lowest in the world. In Saudi Arabia for example, rape is very rare. On the other hand, FBI rape statistics cite a rape in the Christian US every 4 minutes approximately.



Men also have dress codes, though less well known than the hijab of women which is more visible. The clothing must loosely cover the area between the navel and hang below the knees, so a swimsuit is not proper dressing for a man. Modesty is greatly enjoined in Islam and any form of lewdness and pathway to the public display of sexuality is discouraged. The dressing of the man is necessarily more lenient than that of the woman because a man may be expected to engage in physical labour like brick making or carrying load, which will necessitate his having to discard his upper clothing. Women are not expected to engage in such labour. Furthermore, while men tend to be sexually attracted by what they see, women require more indepth knowledge of a man before he is seen as a viable partner, so a man's bare chest is highly unlikely to be as attractive to a woman as a woman's bare chest is to a man. Even non Muslims know this, which is why women are not permitted to open their chests in public in most countries.



Insha Allah means if Allah wills it, or if Allah permits it. It is not used to fool anyone, but to express the fact that man proposes and God disposes. I can tell you that I will do such and such tomorrow, but what if I die before then? That is why we use insha Allah. Your 30% statistic is nonsensical and obviously pulled out of nowhere.



Men are punished for fornicating. Men are also punished for stealing. The one crime does not exonerate the other. Having said that, the punishment for stealing is not applicable if the stolen property falls below a certain value, so your maggi example is untrue. Also, there are certain circumstances under which stealing is not punishable, like times of famine, or if the stolen object is a food item that was stolen to satisfy hunger.



That is most untrue. Perhaps you are referring to the 'touch-not-my-anointed' syndrome exclusive to Christianity. In Islam, we are allowed to challenge anyone who preaches anything that goes against the evidence available to all. Also, anyone, even children, are free to ask any question they wish, and the Quran vehemently reprimands anyone who witholds knowledge from those seeking to learn. An imam is merely one who leads the obligatory prayer, and may give a lecture on Fridays and the Eid days. He usually does not own the mosque which is a community effort, nor does he have any right to enforce his opinion on any Muslim and must always back it up with evidence from the Quran or hadith. A Muslim is also not restricted to any specific mosque and can pray wherever he wants to without hindrance if he so wishes.



Incorrect. I never saw a fence within the cities in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Qatar or most other Muslim countries. In fact, Fences are a common phenomenon only in Nigeria. Even homeowners in countries like Ghana, Gambia, Senegal or Benin rarely build high walls with glass bottles and barbed wire to keep thieves out. In the Northern parts of Nigeria, there are less high walled compound than other parts of Nigeria. Muslim society is generally a safer one.


Because Muslims are generous. We are enjoined to feed the poor. Even if your assertion that it is stolen pubic funds that is used to give stipends to the poor, at least some thought is spared for them. Which is better? To steal and share generously, or to steal and keep only for yourself?



The only obligatory payment out of one's wealth is the zakah. After that, one can do whatever one deems fit with his/her wealth as long as there is no squandering of wealth. If I choose to use my hard-earned wealth to send my children to expensive schools, this is my privilege. If you are referring to the type of education given, then this is untrue. Most educated Muslims, rich or poor, make sure that their children receive a balanced education that will enable them to earn a living in this world and obtain reward in the hereafter. Earning a living in a halal way, through using one's skills is as much a divine command as learning to pray and fast.

All in all, I would have to say that this is a biased article which just nitpicks the worst deeds from among the most astray of sinful Muslims and seeks to showcase them as being uniform to all Muslims. This type of generalisation is dishonest. There are some pious Muslims who seek to live piously, and do not engage wilfully in all that you accuse them of, and there are some sinful Muslims who may do even worse than you wrote up there, and a lot in between. So please do not generalise foolishly.

oga shut up. you are a hypocrite. Islam is a deadly sect all over the world. Muslims are dreaded fellows. You just day talk to cover up lies. I just know that you never even go Saudi Arabia or those places way you day mention. no be me and you go follow talk. take a trip to Saudi arabia and come back to me. Even Dubai and Pakistan sef the fence high die. lati time gon.
if woman open common hair na indecency but see as the men day naked for town. women are slaves in islam. the rape cases and torture all go unreported cos people are scared to die. go to Egypt many youths don tire for the religion. millions have given up on the religion but for fear of rebuttal they just hang on waiting for freedom. the ones in Canada don blend in with lifestyle already. who send Islamic religion? I just hope the Jews move their embassy to Jerusalem e remain 4 months na abi na 3 months. make una go hug transformer. see northern Nigeria with the highest poverty rate. the women are suppressed. they have to hide to fork. the men fork everytime but them day find babe to kill for forking. hypocrisy full islam. I day go the mosque day see things na. from Saudi Arabia to Dubai to Qatar and India I don go una mosque na the same thing. very dangerous set of people. sneaking to do evil. I have many videos and chat logs but when the time comes I will release for people like you to enjoy. make you see wetin una imam day do.
I never knew islam has exorcism before. I catch una now. una day do miraculous healing oh. spiritism. if you no know.

CuteMadridista:
This is a good question

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Empiree, iamgenius, friendchoice

How is this a good question pls??

Well, I couldn't read all your write up. But my attention was drawn to d part where you said RAPE IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH, AND ITS VERY LOW IN D ARABIAN COUNTRIES.

Did you hear about the lady who was almost raped in Iran, and out of self defence, she hit the man and d man died. She was later sentenced to death. She shld be dead by now.

Do you agree with me that rape cases and sexual violence is very high in the war torn part of the middle east.

Let me continue reading ur initial post. If I see anything again, will get back to you.

Farmerforlife:


All intoxicants are prohibited. Muslims who smoke cigarettes or weed, or otherwise smoke or snort hard drugs mostly are ignorant of the rulings or are being deliberately disobedient.



Contrary to popular unbeliever opinion, it is not 'Muslims' who dictate what girls should wear, but the Creator. That apart, there are some Muslims who watch pornography and even invite Beyonce to their parties. Yes it is hypocrisy, and again, deliberate disobedience of the Will of the Almighty. Certainly not all Muslims are that bold.



Untrue. Proven rape of a woman is punishable by death in the sharia. No Muslim is allowed to rape women. Rape incidence in Muslim countries is among the lowest in the world. In Saudi Arabia for example, rape is very rare. On the other hand, FBI rape statistics cite a rape in the Christian US every 4 minutes approximately.



Men also have dress codes, though less well known than the hijab of women which is more visible. The clothing must loosely cover the area between the navel and hang below the knees, so a swimsuit is not proper dressing for a man. Modesty is greatly enjoined in Islam and any form of lewdness and pathway to the public display of sexuality is discouraged. The dressing of the man is necessarily more lenient than that of the woman because a man may be expected to engage in physical labour like brick making or carrying load, which will necessitate his having to discard his upper clothing. Women are not expected to engage in such labour. Furthermore, while men tend to be sexually attracted by what they see, women require more indepth knowledge of a man before he is seen as a viable partner, so a man's bare chest is highly unlikely to be as attractive to a woman as a woman's bare chest is to a man. Even non Muslims know this, which is why women are not permitted to open their chests in public in most countries.



Insha Allah means if Allah wills it, or if Allah permits it. It is not used to fool anyone, but to express the fact that man proposes and God disposes. I can tell you that I will do such and such tomorrow, but what if I die before then? That is why we use insha Allah. Your 30% statistic is nonsensical and obviously pulled out of nowhere.



Men are punished for fornicating. Men are also punished for stealing. The one crime does not exonerate the other. Having said that, the punishment for stealing is not applicable if the stolen property falls below a certain value, so your maggi example is untrue. Also, there are certain circumstances under which stealing is not punishable, like times of famine, or if the stolen object is a food item that was stolen to satisfy hunger.



That is most untrue. Perhaps you are referring to the 'touch-not-my-anointed' syndrome exclusive to Christianity. In Islam, we are allowed to challenge anyone who preaches anything that goes against the evidence available to all. Also, anyone, even children, are free to ask any question they wish, and the Quran vehemently reprimands anyone who witholds knowledge from those seeking to learn. An imam is merely one who leads the obligatory prayer, and may give a lecture on Fridays and the Eid days. He usually does not own the mosque which is a community effort, nor does he have any right to enforce his opinion on any Muslim and must always back it up with evidence from the Quran or hadith. A Muslim is also not restricted to any specific mosque and can pray wherever he wants to without hindrance if he so wishes.



Incorrect. I never saw a fence within the cities in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Qatar or most other Muslim countries. In fact, Fences are a common phenomenon only in Nigeria. Even homeowners in countries like Ghana, Gambia, Senegal or Benin rarely build high walls with glass bottles and barbed wire to keep thieves out. In the Northern parts of Nigeria, there are less high walled compound than other parts of Nigeria. Muslim society is generally a safer one.


Because Muslims are generous. We are enjoined to feed the poor. Even if your assertion that it is stolen pubic funds that is used to give stipends to the poor, at least some thought is spared for them. Which is better? To steal and share generously, or to steal and keep only for yourself?



The only obligatory payment out of one's wealth is the zakah. After that, one can do whatever one deems fit with his/her wealth as long as there is no squandering of wealth. If I choose to use my hard-earned wealth to send my children to expensive schools, this is my privilege. If you are referring to the type of education given, then this is untrue. Most educated Muslims, rich or poor, make sure that their children receive a balanced education that will enable them to earn a living in this world and obtain reward in the hereafter. Earning a living in a halal way, through using one's skills is as much a divine command as learning to pray and fast.

All in all, I would have to say that this is a biased article which just nitpicks the worst deeds from among the most astray of sinful Muslims and seeks to showcase them as being uniform to all Muslims. This type of generalisation is dishonest. There are some pious Muslims who seek to live piously, and do not engage wilfully in all that you accuse them of, and there are some sinful Muslims who may do even worse than you wrote up there, and a lot in between. So please do not generalise foolishly.

I have seen Islamic exorcism. I once shared the story here a long time ago. The thing scary die..

kolawoleibukun:
oga shut up. you are a hypocrite. Islam is a deadly sect all over the world. Muslims are dreaded fellows. You just day talk to cover up lies. I just know that you never even go Saudi Arabia or those places way you day mention. no be me and you go follow talk. take a trip to Saudi arabia and come back to me. Even Dubai and Pakistan sef the fence high die. lati time gon.
if woman open common hair na indecency but see as the men day naked for town. women are slaves in islam. the rape cases and torture all go unreported cos people are scared to die. go to Egypt many youths don tire for the religion. millions have given up on the religion but for fear of rebuttal they just hang on waiting for freedom. the ones in Canada don blend in with lifestyle already. who send Islamic religion? I just hope the Jews move their embassy to Jerusalem e remain 4 months na abi na 3 months. make una go hug transformer. see northern Nigeria with the highest poverty rate. the women are suppressed. they have to hide to fork. the men fork everytime but them day find babe to kill for forking. hypocrisy full islam. I day go the mosque day see things na. from Saudi Arabia to Dubai to Qatar and India I don go una mosque na the same thing. very dangerous set of people. sneaking to do evil. I have many videos and chat logs but when the time comes I will release for people like you to enjoy. make you see wetin una imam day do.
I never knew islam has exorcism before. I catch una now. una day do miraculous healing oh. spiritism. if you no know.

sorextee:
Well, I couldn't read all your write up. But my attention was drawn to d part where you said RAPE IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH, AND ITS VERY LOW IN D ARABIAN COUNTRIES.

Did you hear about the lady who was almost raped in Iran, and out of self defence, she hit the man and d man died. She was later sentenced to death. She shld be dead by now.

Do you agree with me that rape cases and sexual violence is very high in the war torn part of the middle east.

Let me continue reading ur initial post. If I see anything again, will get back to you.

Iran is shiite like zakzaky's group. Their creed is not considered to be Muslim by the overwhelming majority of Muslim scholars, so their policies and behaviours are not binding on Muslims, and should not be used against Islam.

I know the sad incident you are referring to, the name of the victim was Reyhana Jabbari, and she was attacked by an officer in the revolutionary guard, whom she promptly killed. She was a sunni Muslim sister; yet another victim of the sectarian victimisation that goes on in Iran; and apparently refused to engage in the institutionalised prostitution that the shiites practise, leading to the officer trying to force himself on her.

They sentenced her to death by hanging and have already executed her as you rightly said. May Allah bestow His Mercy on her.

Again, I was strictly referring to the stipulations of the sharia law. What happens in war torn countries is not representative of Muslim society as a whole, especially since most parties to the war are in fact, made up of deviant sects like ISIS or Hezbollah, who are just out for vengeance.

kolawoleibukun:
[s]oga shut up. you are a hypocrite. Islam is a deadly sect all over the world. Muslims are dreaded fellows. You just day talk to cover up lies. I just know that you never even go Saudi Arabia or those places way you day mention. no be me and you go follow talk. take a trip to Saudi arabia and come back to me. Even Dubai and Pakistan sef the fence high die. lati time gon.
if woman open common hair na indecency but see as the men day naked for town. women are slaves in islam. the rape cases and torture all go unreported cos people are scared to die. go to Egypt many youths don tire for the religion. millions have given up on the religion but for fear of rebuttal they just hang on waiting for freedom. the ones in Canada don blend in with lifestyle already. who send Islamic religion? I just hope the Jews move their embassy to Jerusalem e remain 4 months na abi na 3 months. make una go hug transformer. see northern Nigeria with the highest poverty rate. the women are suppressed. they have to hide to fork. the men fork everytime but them day find babe to kill for forking. hypocrisy full islam. I day go the mosque day see things na. from Saudi Arabia to Dubai to Qatar and India I don go una mosque na the same thing. very dangerous set of people. sneaking to do evil. I have many videos and chat logs but when the time comes I will release for people like you to enjoy. make you see wetin una imam day do.
I never knew islam has exorcism before. I catch una now. una day do miraculous healing oh. spiritism. if you no know.[/s]

Obviously a very bad-mannered opinionated fellow, but it does not matter. Your question indicated that you wanted to know the reason behind the Islamic ruling on certain acts (which is why practising Muslims tend to avoid doing them), and not why some people who claim to be Muslim do certain things. Obviously, I was wrong about the intention behind your question.

Just for the record, maybe this will get into somewhere behind the thick fog of cognitive disonance in your reptilian brain, no human is considered infallible in Islam. We do not lay claim to any remote control by a 'holy spirit' guiding our lives. We merely exercise our free wills and try our best to follow those precepts which we consider to be commands of Allah (some of which I have mentioned earlier). That some Muslims fall short in certain areas is neither here nor there, posting pictures and videos of people's sins is not evidence of anything. Like I said, I have been there, so I have seen many people committing sin first hand. The difference is that it is recognized as something shameful, and is not carried out boldly, nor is it praised by those few witnessing it.

And you are right, I am generally more accustomed to cultured debates, and I do not like overbearing rude people. So perhaps my type of person is not the one you are regularly accustomed to engaging with. I understand your not wanting to do so.

Farmerforlife:


Iran is shiite like zakzaky's group. Their creed is not considered to be Muslim by the overwhelming majority of Muslim scholars, so their policies and behaviours are not binding on Muslims, and should not be used against Islam.

I know the sad incident you are referring to, the name of the victim was Reyhana Jabbari, and she was attacked by an officer in the revolutionary guard, whom she promptly killed. She was a sunni Muslim sister; yet another victim of the sectarian victimisation that goes on in Iran; and apparently refused to engage in the institutionalised prostitution that the shiites practise, leading to the officer trying to force himself on her.

They sentenced her to death by hanging and have already executed her as you rightly said. May Allah bestow His Mercy on her.

Again, I was strictly referring to the stipulations of the sharia law. What happens in war torn countries is not representative of Muslim society as a whole, especially since most parties to the war are in fact, made up of deviant sects like ISIS or Hezbollah, who are just out for vengeance.

why did you fall for his antics?.

What he said and what he alleged iran did is practically done in Nigeria or even worst. Are alleged thieves not burn alive in Nigeria without any form of judicial process?. Are there not rape cases in Nigeria that goes unpunished?. Your line of argument is not the right way to argue with these type of people. You have to be defensive. It doesn't matter how much you try to criticize iran or Shia, the dude will forever see Sunni/shia as muslims. It doesn't make any difference to him. And I don't know of "majority of scholars" who said Shia aren't Muslims.

All you had to do was to cite many examples in his own country to put him on a hot seat or defensive mode. You can see how defensive I was in my post up there and he never bothered to reply me. If he does, I will put up more evidences of vices and poor people linning up for food in the Western world and Christian regions. That's how your argument should be. That shuts them up for good.

Leave iran or Shia out. They have many injustices and evil going on in nija at the hands of their politicians and citizens. The least he should worry about is Islam and Muslims. You should rather ask him if Nigeria and and Christian regions are any better?. That's how you argue or debate his kind.


"The people of the Book will never be pleased with you until you follow their way..." QUR'AN

Please how can I draw Seun's attention to my undue ban by anti spam bot. it has been banning me from most section since yesterday. Cc: lalsticlala, mynd44, oam4j, and all mods

Muhammad wasn't inspired,he just fabricated everything from his human understanding. God isn't stupid to tell adults not to take alcoholic beverages simply because they may be lured into taking too much out of greed! If i have a little child of ten years old, i'll expect him/her to drink Coke moderately in a gathering with his mates and if he greedily takes too much i'll scold him/her. So how do i justify what i'm doing when an adult can't control himself but i'm punishing a child for not controlling himself with SWEET bottled beverages? Well i see no wisdom in that!

Empiree:
And I don't know of "majority of scholars" who said Shia aren't Muslims.

https://followingthesunnah.com/2013/12/14/the-statements-of-the-scholars-regarding-the-reality-of-the-disbelief-of-the-rawafidah-shia/

And thanks for the advice. I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume that when they ask a question, the intent is to learn. I understand that some people are chronic trolls, but I can't tell who is who until after an exchange or two. The man asked a perfectly valid question, citing a case in Iran where a woman was punished after defending herself from being raped. I simply explained to him that the judgment in question had nothing to do with Islam. I do not believe in a defense using the claim... "you did it first". That is an escapist strategy.

Farmerforlife:


https://followingthesunnah.com/2013/12/14/the-statements-of-the-scholars-regarding-the-reality-of-the-disbelief-of-the-rawafidah-shia/

And thanks for the advice. I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume that when they ask a question, the intent is to learn. I understand that some people are chronic trolls, but I can't tell who is who until after an exchange or two. The man asked a perfectly valid question, citing a case in Iran where a woman was punished after defending herself from being raped. I simply explained to him that the judgment in question had nothing to do with Islam. I do not believe in a defense using the claim... "you did it first". That is an escapist strategy.

too late to issue fatwa declaration of kufr of them. They still make haj for 1400yrs isn't?. None of these people you posted claimed all Shia are kufar. Hence, the argument that shias are not Muslim is off.

Empiree:
too late to issue fatwa declaration of kufr of them. They still make haj for 1400yrs isn't?. None of these people you posted claimed all Shia are kufar. Hence, the argument that shias are not Muslim is off.

My statement was that their creed is not Muslim. And all those scholars claimed that the shia creed is one of disbelief. These are the scholars who shaped Islamic jurispudence over the centuries, and whose opinion is followed by the majority of Muslims today, scholar and layman alike.

I understand the Shiite part and I also know Iran is a shiite dominated country (so also Lebanon). Im hearing this first hand dat prostitution is somehow legal there, as u stated earlier. I read her emotional letter, before she was executed.
So now, if such incidence happened in a sunni dominated country, would she have been executed?

Regarding the rape cases I said that takes place in a war torn countries, im also aware that it happens even at d IDP CAMPS in borno state. My aunty who is a med doctor there at d IDP camp there told us bout the atrocities going on there, before she was kidnapped by d boko haram guys last month. We still pray for her release.

Lets not also forget that those supporter of APC sect of North Sudan invade villages and go on a raping spree. Im sure u know about those guys.

Farmerforlife:


Iran is shiite like zakzaky's group. Their creed is not considered to be Muslim by the overwhelming majority of Muslim scholars, so their policies and behaviours are not binding on Muslims, and should not be used against Islam.

I know the sad incident you are referring to, the name of the victim was Reyhana Jabbari, and she was attacked by an officer in the revolutionary guard, whom she promptly killed. She was a sunni Muslim sister; yet another victim of the sectarian victimisation that goes on in Iran; and apparently refused to engage in the institutionalised prostitution that the shiites practise, leading to the officer trying to force himself on her.

They sentenced her to death by hanging and have already executed her as you rightly said. May Allah bestow His Mercy on her.

Again, I was strictly referring to the stipulations of the sharia law. What happens in war torn countries is not representative of Muslim society as a whole, especially since most parties to the war are in fact, made up of deviant sects like ISIS or Hezbollah, who are just out for vengeance.

Point out my antics from my initial post, o ye mind reader. I could see u aint pleased by the farmer guy's response to me. U wanted him to go all out offensive on me and aint happy that he responded in an educative manner. Ive always known you to be like this here. So im not surprised.

Empiree:
why did you fall for his antics?.

What he said and what he alleged iran did is practically done in Nigeria or even worst. Are alleged thieves not burn alive in Nigeria without any form of judicial process?. Are there not rape cases in Nigeria that goes unpunished?. Your line of argument is not the right way to argue with these type of people. You have to be defensive. It doesn't matter how much you try to criticize iran or Shia, the dude will forever see Sunni/shia as muslims. It doesn't make any difference to him. And I don't know of "majority of scholars" who said Shia aren't Muslims.

All you had to do was to cite many examples in his own country to put him on a hot seat or defensive mode. You can see how defensive I was in my post up there and he never bothered to reply me. If he does, I will put up more evidences of vices and poor people linning up for food in the Western world and Christian regions. That's how your argument should be. That shuts them up for good.

Leave iran or Shia out. They have many injustices and evil going on in nija at the hands of their politicians and citizens. The least he should worry about is Islam and Muslims. You should rather ask him if Nigeria and and Christian regions are any better?. That's how you argue or debate his kind.


"The people of the Book will never be pleased with you until you follow their way..." QUR'AN

Bros, let's not call their Prophet into this. I understand that prohibition of alcohol is based on health grounds. But that doesn't still stop some of them to engage in it, unto things of the flesh.. Im from the north, and I do see them engage in drugs, sniffing pit toilet, sprinkling lizard droppings on weed, etc.

Some of we Christians too frown at the idea of taking alcohol sef.

My own view bout alcohol intake is dat it shld be taken in moderation.

Proverbs 20:1 says “Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.”

Riofidelio:
Muhammad wasn't inspired,he just fabricated everything from his human understanding. God isn't stupid to tell adults not to take alcoholic beverages simply because they may be lured into taking too much out of greed! If i have a little child of ten years old, i'll expect him/her to drink Coke moderately in a gathering with his mates and if he greedily takes too much i'll scold him/her. So how do i justify what i'm doing when an adult can't control himself but i'm punishing a child for not controlling himself with SWEET bottled beverages? Well i see no wisdom in that!

Farmerforlife:


Iran is shiite like zakzaky's group. Their creed is not considered to be Muslim by the overwhelming majority of Muslim scholars, so their policies and behaviours are not binding on Muslims, and should not be used against Islam.

# @underlined:

1. you mean the wahabi or salafi cult scholars of whom the ideology you shared - the Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Hazm, et al?


2. By referring "Muslim's scholars", you might wanna say Sunni scholars. Right?! Interestingly, these Sunni scholars too kufrlised themselves. For example, Imam Abu Hanifah, whose madhhab is the overwhelming majority of Sunni school, was regarded as Kafir by same " overwhelming majority of Sunni scholars. Ibn Taymiyyah, your cult leader was regarded as heretic by overwhelming majority of scholars of his time.


3. If Shi'a are not regarded as Muslim by "overwhelming majority of Sunni scholars", then largest percentage of your ahadith are from " Kuffar". Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim et al.


4. And of course Rafidi sahabah like Abu Tufayl, Salman, Abu Dharr, et al were all "Kuffar" according to "overwhelming majority of Sunni scholars".

5. And you can see how useless your " overwhelming majority " fatawa was since that doesn't stop Shi'a from going to hajj and Umrah, yet your fatawa worked on the Ahmadiyah.


Shia crime to your "overwhelming majority scholars" is nothing but her unrecognition of your Khulafa like Abubakar, Umar, Uthman, Muawiya et al. If that is what make one Kuffar in your court, Shi'a will gladly live with that.

Farmerforlife:

I know the sad incident you are referring to, the name of the victim was Reyhana Jabbari, and she was attacked by an officer in the revolutionary guard, whom she promptly killed. She was a sunni Muslim sister; yet another victim of the sectarian victimisation that goes on in Iran; and apparently refused to engage in the institutionalised prostitution that the shiites practise, leading to the officer trying to force himself on her.

They sentenced her to death by hanging and have already executed her as you rightly said. May Allah bestow His Mercy on her.

You are nothing but a shame and a scum. Assuming the news was accurate the way your propagandist spread it, is that how you judge a Nation and an institution?


# Here's a rape case in Saudi Arabia - your land of "kitab wa Sunnah", your ideal land that ONLY ANGELS are living there:


1. In 2009, the Saudi Gazette reported that a 23-year-old,
unmarried woman was sentenced to one year in prison
and 100 lashes for adultery. This woman had been gang-
raped, became pregnant, and had tried (unsuccessfully)
to abort the fetus. The flogging was postponed until after
the delivery.


The sentences for rape cases are also extremely
unbalanced in Saudi Arabia. In one example from
February 2013, a Saudi preacher raped, tortured and
murdered his 5-year-old daughter. He was sentenced to
eight years in prison, 800 lashes, and a fine of one million
riyals ($270,000 USD) to be paid to the girl's mother, his
ex-wife. [7] Contrasted with this is the case of two
Pakistani citizens who were beheaded by the state after
being convicted of a rape.

Source: Shabrawi, Adnan. "Girl gets a year in jail, 100 lashes
for adultery" . The Saudi Gazette . Archived from the
original on 13 January 2011. Retrieved 22 September
2010.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia


2. QATIF RAPE CASE

The Qatif rape case ( Arabic : ) is a much-publicized gang rape case. The victims were a Shia [1] young woman from Qatif (Eastern Province , Saudi Arabia ) and her male companion, who were kidnapped and gang-raped by seven Saudi men in mid-2006. A Saudi Sharia court sentenced the perpetrators to varying sentences involving 80 to 1,000 lashes and imprisonment up to ten years for four of them.

The court also sentenced the two victims to six months in prison and 90 lashes each for "being alone with a man who is not a relative" in a parked car. The appeals court doubled the victims' sentences in late 2007 as punishment for the heavy media coverage of the event in the international press regarding the treatment of women in the Kingdom of
Saudi Arabia and Saudi judicial practices.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatif_rape_case

Farmerforlife:

Again, I was strictly referring to the stipulations of the sharia law. What happens in war torn countries is not representative of Muslim society as a whole, especially since most parties to the war are in fact, made up of deviant sects like ISIS or Hezbollah, who are just out for vengeance.

# Hypocrisy of the highest level. Should I expose your sahih ahadith where Sahabah in war zones "raped" women of their enemies?

# Every single act of your brothers ISIS, AL-QAEDA, et al are done according to your sahih books. Why denying them?

AlBaqir:


# @[s]underlined:

1. you mean the wahabi or salafi cult scholars of whom the ideology you shared - the Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Hazm, et al?


2. By referring "Muslim's scholars", you might wanna say Sunni scholars. Right?! Interestingly, these Sunni scholars too kufrlised themselves. For example, Imam Abu Hanifah, whose madhhab is the overwhelming majority of Sunni school, was regarded as Kafir by same " overwhelming majority of Sunni scholars. Ibn Taymiyyah, your cult leader was regarded as heretic by overwhelming majority of scholars of his time.


3. If Shi'a are not regarded as Muslim by "overwhelming majority of Sunni scholars", then largest percentage of your ahadith are from " Kuffar". Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim et al.


4. And of course Rafidi sahabah like Abu Tufayl, Salman, Abu Dharr, et al were all "Kuffar" according to "overwhelming majority of Sunni scholars".

5. And you can see how useless your " overwhelming majority " fatawa was since that doesn't stop Shi'a from going to hajj and Umrah, yet your fatawa worked on the Ahmadiyah.


Shia crime to your "overwhelming majority scholars" is nothing but her unrecognition of your Khulafa like Abubakar, Umar, Uthman, Muawiya et al. If that is what make one Kuffar in your court, Shi'a will gladly live with that.





You are nothing but a shame and a scum. Assuming the news was accurate the way your propagandist spread it, is that how you judge a Nation and an institution?


# Here's a rape case in Saudi Arabia - your land of "kitab wa Sunnah", your ideal land that ONLY ANGELS are living there:


1. In 2009, the Saudi Gazette reported that a 23-year-old,
unmarried woman was sentenced to one year in prison
and 100 lashes for adultery. This woman had been gang-
raped, became pregnant, and had tried (unsuccessfully)
to abort the fetus. The flogging was postponed until after
the delivery.


The sentences for rape cases are also extremely
unbalanced in Saudi Arabia. In one example from
February 2013, a Saudi preacher raped, tortured and
murdered his 5-year-old daughter. He was sentenced to
eight years in prison, 800 lashes, and a fine of one million
riyals ($270,000 USD) to be paid to the girl's mother, his
ex-wife. [7] Contrasted with this is the case of two
Pakistani citizens who were beheaded by the state after
being convicted of a rape.

Source: Shabrawi, Adnan. "Girl gets a year in jail, 100 lashes
for adultery" . The Saudi Gazette . Archived from the
original on 13 January 2011. Retrieved 22 September
2010.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia


2. QATIF RAPE CASE

The Qatif rape case ( Arabic : ) is a much-publicized gang rape case. The victims were a Shia [1] young woman from Qatif (Eastern Province , Saudi Arabia ) and her male companion, who were kidnapped and gang-raped by seven Saudi men in mid-2006. A Saudi Sharia court sentenced the perpetrators to varying sentences involving 80 to 1,000 lashes and imprisonment up to ten years for four of them.

The court also sentenced the two victims to six months in prison and 90 lashes each for "being alone with a man who is not a relative" in a parked car. The appeals court doubled the victims' sentences in late 2007 as punishment for the heavy media coverage of the event in the international press regarding the treatment of women in the Kingdom of
Saudi Arabia and Saudi judicial practices.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatif_rape_case




# Hypocrisy of the highest level. Should I expose your sahih ahadith where Sahabah in war zones "raped" women of their enemies?

# Every single act of your brothers ISIS, AL-QAEDA, et al are done according to your sahih books. Why denying them?[/s]

I feel for you. I understand your need to defend your creed and the failings of your masters in Iran. However, your position is untenable, and there is a great deal of difference between hanging a woman because she refused to be raped, and punishing another for breaking the law by secluding themselves with members of the opposite sex, which led to their rape. The cited incidents were inconclusive, as no one knew whether the girls in question were actually raped, or gave consent. The fact that the girls voluntarily, and illegally secluded themselves with the men, cast doubt on the whole incident, which is why they were punished as well.

I am happy that you have somewhat vindicated my position by admitting that some people at least; of whatever nationality; were executed for rape. My exact statement was that 'established rape is punishable by death'. Thank you for the citation.

The Saudi preacher you cited was reported by the media to have raped his daughter, but this was not an accusation in court. He was convicted of beating and torturing her to death, which were heinous enough crimes, but not rape. In fact, the whole torture thing was because he thought she had lost her virginity. He subsequently paid the diyya as stipulated by the sharia, and spent some years in prison. Please be honest, even if you are shia. Here is a BBC report, I know you will not accept Saudi news...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24438375

By the way, I am just curious; is Ali bin abi Talib (ra) one of those sahabah who 'raped women of their enemies'? Because as I recall, he did have quite a number of captured female slaves, as did alHussein (ra) and a number of your imams are actually descended from slave girls, including allegedly, your hiding mythological mahdi...according to your sources. Did they all rape those girls? Or perhaps you do not understand the meaning of rape?

Oh, and since when were scholars like Abu Hanifah, ibn Hazm, ibn Taimiyyah, Bukhari etc Wahhabi? I thought you shias claim that Wahhabism started with sheikh Muhammad bin AbdulWahhab, who died in the late 18th century. How did all these people follow his 'sect' if they were all born 6-8 centuries before him? By time travel? You are truly a bundle of contradictions. The Muslim scholars I cited there are the fiqh movers of the Muslim world. They all agree that the rafidhi shia creed is non Muslim.

Farmerforlife:

.

Like I said before, you are nothing but a fraud. Here's your propagandist claim again:

Farmerforlife:

I know the sad incident you are referring to, the name of the victim was Reyhana Jabbari, and she was attacked by an officer in the revolutionary guard, whom she promptly killed. She was a sunni Muslim sister; yet another victim of the sectarian victimisation that goes on in Iran; and apparently refused to engage in the institutionalised prostitution that the shiites practise, leading to the officer trying to force himself on her.

Here's her Profile:

Reyhaneh Jabbari (Persian ; c. 1988 – 25 October 2014) was a woman convicted of murdering Morteza Abdolali Sarbandi, in Iran.

In 2007, Sarbandi met Jabbari, who was an interior
decorator, in a cafe and convinced her to visit his office to
discuss a business deal. While at the office, Sarbandi
allegedly tried to rape Jabbari. She grabbed a pocket
knife and stabbed him, then fled the scene leaving him to
bleed to death.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reyhaneh_Jabbari


# Your eminent liar, how all of a sudden the woman became a "Sunni" and her victim, an officer of "revolutionary guard"?!

Apart from the fact that the woman was guilty of murder and deserved death according to Iranian law, how is " Sunni-Shia" came to play in a criminal issue

Should we also play the dirty stinky card of a report we have revealed that "Shi'a lady" was raped by "wahabi man"? Or "Salafi cleric" tortured and raped her daughter?

What is criminal issues have to do with religion or creed?

Even among your respected sahabah, according to your ahadith, their were adulterers, drunkards and murderers among them; only a foolish man like you will try to drag "Islam and Muslims" with that.

Farmerforlife:

I am happy that you have somewhat vindicated my position by admitting that some people at least; of whatever nationality; were executed for rape. My exact statement was that 'established rape is punishable by death'. Thank you for the citation.

# The fact remains there are crimes everywhere, in every land, among every race and religious adherents. Trying to score cheap point by exaggerating one and hiding or defending the other is nothing but hypocrisy.

Farmerforlife:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24438375

Look at your miserable hypocrisy life?!

What you are proving is that the "Salafi cleric" was punished for his crime of child abuse, rape, torturing (that eventually leads to death), and this punishment was done after Saudi authority's investigations and verdict (despite world cry of injustice). Right?

On the contrary, according to you the chief hypocrite, the death punishment received by your imaginary "Sunni woman " in Iran who was found guilty of murder in an attempted rape case was never fair

Farmerforlife:

By the way, I am just curious; is Ali bin abi Talib (ra) one of those sahabah who 'raped women of their enemies'? Because as I recall, he did have quite a number of captured female slaves, as did alHussein (ra) and a number of your imams are actually descended from slave girls, including allegedly, your hiding mythological mahdi...according to your sources. Did they all rape those girls? Or perhaps you do not understand the meaning of rape?

Oh! Your wahabi cult leaders have not taught you that your ahadith are ONLY bind on you?! They have not revealed to you that Shi'a rafidi never accept junks you call ahadith that were not complied with their own ahadith?


The personalities of (Prophets and) Nabi Muhammad and his purified Ahl al-bayt that your forged ahadith tarnished belong to
the dust bin in Shi'i point of view, of course, they are criminal heritage to you

Farmerforlife:

Oh, and since when were scholars like Abu Hanifah, ibn Hazm, ibn Taimiyyah, Bukhari etc Wahhabi? I thought you shias claim that Wahhabism started with sheikh Muhammad bin AbdulWahhab, who died in the late 18th century. How did all these people follow his 'sect' if they were all born 6-8 centuries before him? By time travel? You are truly a bundle of contradictions.

# Why do you love exposing your frustrated being?

1. For a fact, there was no where we ever pointed to Abu Hanifah as a wahabi. The context of Abu Hanifah which we have put to your faulty brain was that your Sunni "overwhelming majority" scholars declared him Kafir (just like they declared the chief heretic Ibn Taymiyyah as Kafir).

2. What we have written in respect to Heretic Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Hazm is "wahabi or Salafi; and little do you care that we have put " et al" (meaning: and others) at the back. Were those heretics not Salafi?

3. And interestingly, are you separating wahabism from salafism? According to your history, the heretic Ibn Abdulwahab revived the criminal "school of thought" of the chief heretic Ibn Taymiyyah. Therefore, even if we say Ibn Taymiyyah was a wahabi, we are still very much on line

Farmerforlife:

The Muslim scholars I cited there are the fiqh movers of the Muslim world. They all agree that the rafidhi shia creed is non Muslim.

"Fiqh movers" of Muslim world?!

Who cares about your Fiqh movers of the world when there exist your books MUTAWATTIR HADITH which read thus:

# Imam al-Tabarani documents:

Muḥammad b. Ja’far – al-Faḍl b. Ghānim – Sawār b. Muṣ’ab – ‘Aṭiyyah al-‘Awfī – Abū Sa’īd al-Khudrī – Umm Salamah:

It was my night, and the Prophet, peace be upon him, was with me. Then, Fāṭimah came to him. But, ‘Alī had earlier came. So, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said to him, “O ‘Alī, you and your companions will be in Paradise. You and your Shī’ah will be in Paradise."

Source: Abū al-Qāsim Sulaymān b. Aḥmad al-Ṭabarānī, al-Mu’jam al-Awsat (Cairo: Dār al-Ḥaramayn; 1415 H) [annotators: Abū Mu’ādh Ṭāriq b. ‘Awaḍ Allāh b. Muḥammad and ‘Abd al-Muḥsin b. Ibrāhīm al-Ḥusaynī], vol. 6, pp. 354-355, # 6605


# Imam Ahmad gives similar report:

Ibrāhīm b. Sharīk – ‘Uqbah b. Mukram al-Ḍabī – Yūnus b. Bukayr – alSawār b. Muṣ’ab – Abū al-Jahhāf – Abū Mukram ‘Uqbah – Muḥammad b. ‘Amr – Fāṭimah al-Kubrā – Umm Salamah:

The Prophet, peace be upon him, was with me on my night when Fāṭimah and ‘Alī visited him. So, the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, said, “O ‘Alī, be happy, because you and your companions and your Shī’ah will be in Paradise"

Source: Abū ‘Abd Allāh Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal, Kitāb Faḍāil al-Ṣaḥābah (Jeddah: Dār al-‘Ilm li al-Ṭabā’ah wa al-Nashr; 1st edition, 1403 H) [annotator: Waṣiyyullāh b. Muḥammad ‘Abbās], vol. 2, p. 654, # 1115


Majority Fiqh movers ko, majority kick movers ni

AlBaqir:


Like I said before, you are nothing but a fraud. Here's your propagandist claim again:


Here's her Profile:

Reyhaneh Jabbari (Persian ; c. 1988 – 25 October 2014) was a woman convicted of murdering Morteza Abdolali Sarbandi, in Iran.

In 2007, Sarbandi met Jabbari, who was an interior
decorator, in a cafe and convinced her to visit his office to
discuss a business deal. While at the office, Sarbandi
allegedly tried to rape Jabbari. She grabbed a pocket
knife and stabbed him, then fled the scene leaving him to
bleed to death.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reyhaneh_Jabbari


# Your eminent liar, how all of a sudden the woman became a "Sunni" and her victim, an officer of "revolutionary guard"?!

Apart from the fact that the woman was guilty of murder and deserved death according to Iranian law, how is " Sunni-Shia" came to play in a criminal issue

Should we also play the dirty stinky card of a report we have revealed that "Shi'a lady" was raped by "wahabi man"? Or "Salafi cleric" tortured and raped her daughter?

What is criminal issues have to do with religion or creed?

So he was an officer in the intelligence ministry under the IRGC, what is the big difference. Who is the eminent liar now?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29769468

AlBaqir:


Even among your respected sahabah, according to your ahadith, their were adulterers, drunkards and murderers among them; only a foolish man like you will try to drag "Islam and Muslims" with that.

The signs of a hypocrite are 3, the prophet(saw) stated, one of them being foul mouthedness when he is opposed. Do you see that sign in you?

AlBaqir:


# The fact remains there are crimes everywhere, in every land, among every race and religious adherents. Trying to score cheap point by exaggerating one and hiding or defending the other is nothing but hypocrisy.

Look at your miserable hypocrisy life?!

What you are proving is that the "Salafi cleric" was punished for his crime of child abuse, rape, torturing (that eventually leads to death), and this punishment was done after Saudi authority's investigations and verdict (despite world cry of injustice). Right?

On the contrary, according to you the chief hypocrite, the death punishment received by your imaginary "Sunni woman " in Iran who was found guilty of murder in an attempted rape case was never fair

Iran has a notoriously outstanding record of oppressing its people. Here is a more balanced detail of what the poor woman went through...

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4366/reyhaneh-jabbari-confession

Feigned outrage and playing to the gallery us not sufficient to dispel the atrocity.

AlBaqir:

Oh! Your wahabi cult leaders have not taught you that your ahadith are ONLY bind on you?! They have not revealed to you that Shi'a rafidi never accept junks you call ahadith that were not complied with their own ahadith?


The personalities of (Prophets and) Nabi Muhammad and his purified Ahl al-bayt that your forged ahadith tarnished belong to
the dust bin in Shi'i point of view, of course, they are criminal heritage to you

Do you mean the fact that Ali (رضي الله عنه) had many slave girls? Actually, I was referring also to narrations in shia books like Bihar al Anwar by 'great' scholars of the shia rafida like AlMajlisi and alQummi. Don't you know them?

Shia hadith right here...

Al-Qummi and Al-Majlisi narrated on the authority of Abu Thar: I migrated with Jafar ibn Abi Talib to Abyssynia. A slave girl worth 4,000 dirhams was given to Jafar as a gift. When we came to Medinah he gave it to Ali as a gift that she may serve him. Ali kept her in Fatima’s house. One day Fatima entered and saw that his head was in the girl’s lap. She said: “O Abu Al-Hasan! Have you done it!?” He said: “O daughter of Muhammad! I have done nothing, so what is it that you want?” She said: “Do you allow me to go to my father’s house?” He said: “I will allow you.” So she wore her Jilbab and went to the Prophet.

(source: Ibn Babaveh Al-Qummi’s “Elal Al-Sharae’”, p.163; it is also narrated in Bihar Al-Anwar, pp.43-44, Chapter on “How her life with Ali was”)]
Extract from; http://www.yazahra.net/ara/html/4/behar43/a15.html

Like I said, feigning outrage to cover up your taqiyyah is not really effective. I am immune to tantrums.

AlBaqir:

# Why do you love exposing your frustrated being?

1. For a fact, there was no where we ever pointed to Abu Hanifah as a wahabi. The context of Abu Hanifah which we have put to your faulty brain was that your Sunni "overwhelming majority" scholars declared him Kafir (just like they declared the chief heretic Ibn Taymiyyah as Kafir).

2. What we have written in respect to Heretic Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Hazm is "wahabi or Salafi; and little do you care that we have put " et al" (meaning: and others) at the back. Were those heretics not Salafi?

3. And interestingly, are you separating wahabism from salafism? According to your history, the heretic Ibn Abdulwahab revived the criminal "school of thought" of the chief heretic Ibn Taymiyyah. Therefore, even if we say Ibn Taymiyyah was a wahabi, we are still very much on line

Lol, do you always refer to yourself in the grandiose pronoun 'we'? This is a sure sign of megalomania. You are not one of those ayatushaytan are you? No matter.

1. You did refer to all my citations as having been made by 'wahhabi' scholars. Just in case you rushed to make a rejoinder without actually reading the link I provided, the founders of the four mazhabs as well as many eminent scholars were cited. All of them predated sheikh Muhammad bin AbdulWahhab. To my understanding, when you said that the only people who think that the shia creed is one of kufristhe wahhabi scholars, after reading my citation, then your definition would have covered all the cited scholars, or am I missing something?
Secondly, could you please cite the overwhelming majority of sunni scholars that declared Abu Hanifah or ibn Taimiyyah kuffar, you know, provide some modicum of proof at least, like I did? As far as I know, imam Bukhari was the only one who believed that Abu Hanifa was a Murji' (he never said he was a kaffir). There was never any consensus on the irja' of Abu Hanifah as there was over the kufr of the rafidi shia. As for sheikh ibn Taimiyyah, I know of no leading Muslim scholar that said he was a Kafir.
In contrast, I know of no single favourable opinion on the rafidi creed from any of the leading ulama of the Muslims. There is a far cry between an isolated opinion or two, and a generally accepted concensus.

2. So you are now saying that wahhabism/salafism are different? Or do they predate Sheikh bin AbdulWahhab? You are getting a little confused here. Perhaps because you have not had the chance to use any abusive words or profanity for all of six sentences. Take a deep breath,and use abusive words if you absolutely have to. I am aware of how lost members of your sect can be without them. I understand.

3. Aha, now you say they are the same thing? So how did sheikh Muhammad bin AbdulWahhab found the movement as your infallible ayatushaytan are always fond of saying? If you admit that he did not, then who did?

AlBaqir:


"Fiqh movers" of Muslim world?!

Who cares about your Fiqh movers of the world when there exist your books MUTAWATTIR HADITH which read thus:

# Imam al-Tabarani documents:

Muḥammad b. Ja’far – al-Faḍl b. Ghānim – Sawār b. Muṣ’ab – ‘Aṭiyyah al-‘Awfī – Abū Sa’īd al-Khudrī – Umm Salamah:

It was my night, and the Prophet, peace be upon him, was with me. Then, Fāṭimah came to him. But, ‘Alī had earlier came. So, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said to him, “O ‘Alī, you and your companions will be in Paradise. You and your Shī’ah will be in Paradise."

Source: Abū al-Qāsim Sulaymān b. Aḥmad al-Ṭabarānī, al-Mu’jam al-Awsat (Cairo: Dār al-Ḥaramayn; 1415 H) [annotators: Abū Mu’ādh Ṭāriq b. ‘Awaḍ Allāh b. Muḥammad and ‘Abd al-Muḥsin b. Ibrāhīm al-Ḥusaynī], vol. 6, pp. 354-355, # 6605


# Imam Ahmad gives similar report:

Ibrāhīm b. Sharīk – ‘Uqbah b. Mukram al-Ḍabī – Yūnus b. Bukayr – alSawār b. Muṣ’ab – Abū al-Jahhāf – Abū Mukram ‘Uqbah – Muḥammad b. ‘Amr – Fāṭimah al-Kubrā – Umm Salamah:

The Prophet, peace be upon him, was with me on my night when Fāṭimah and ‘Alī visited him. So, the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, said, “O ‘Alī, be happy, because you and your companions and your Shī’ah will be in Paradise"

Source: Abū ‘Abd Allāh Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal, Kitāb Faḍāil al-Ṣaḥābah (Jeddah: Dār al-‘Ilm li al-Ṭabā’ah wa al-Nashr; 1st edition, 1403 H) [annotator: Waṣiyyullāh b. Muḥammad ‘Abbās], vol. 2, p. 654, # 1115


Majority Fiqh movers ko, majority kick movers ni

Mutawaatir, really? Go and learn to place designations on your own narrations before you place them on ours. Your hot air is too much.

Besides, you do not really consider yourself to be the shia of Ali do you? You are the followers of those pretending to follow him, but whom he executed and exiled, the Saba'is. I am also appalled to see that you think that the companions of Ali (ﷺ) like Abdullah ibn Saba, alShimr bin zilJawshan and Ubaydullah bin Ziyaad will be in Paradise, based on our 'mutawaatir junk' as you earlier put it. Like I said, you are a bundle of confusion.

Farmerforlife:


So he was an officer in the intelligence ministry under the IRGC, what is the big difference. Who is the eminent liar now?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29769468

# I know you are a diehard arrogant who will never feel remorse for his lies and blunders.

This is what your almighty BBC.com says:

Jabbari was arrested in 2007 for the murder of Morteza
Abdolali Sarbandi, a former intelligence ministry worker.

# And give us CNN or Aljazeera that says the woman was "Sunni sister"

Farmerforlife:

Iran has a notoriously outstanding record of oppressing its people. Here is a more balanced detail of what the poor woman went through...

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4366/reyhaneh-jabbari-confession

# More balance? You never stop your stupendous stupidity. So, article of "gatestone institute" is your "more balance" when your initial BBC did not support your evil agenda? Chai!

Anyway, here's gatestone institute:


The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York ) is a right-wing [2][3][4] think tank that publishes articles, particularly pertaining to Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods. [5][6][7][8] Gatestone was founded in 2012 by Nina Rosenwald , who serves as its president. [9] Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John R. Bolton is its chairman.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute

# And mind the President of the institute, Nina Rosenwald is not only a Jew but working for Israeli interest. You can read her profile.


# More balance? Do you have first hand information to decipher who was right or wrong? Just like Authorities ANYWHERE in the world try to cover their blemishes, so also are criminals. Sometimes authorities will be right in her judgement to the dissatisfaction of criminals. Sometimes it is vice versa. But as usual to the propagandist like you, once it is Shia Rafidi Iran, their authority always at fault

Farmerforlife:

Do you mean the fact that Ali (رضي الله عنه) had many slave girls? Actually, I was referring also to narrations in shia books like Bihar al Anwar by 'great' scholars of the shia rafida like AlMajlisi and alQummi. Don't you know them?

Shia hadith right here...

Al-Qummi and Al-Majlisi narrated on the authority of Abu Thar: I migrated with Jafar ibn Abi Talib to Abyssynia. A slave girl worth 4,000 dirhams was given to Jafar as a gift. When we came to Medinah he gave it to Ali as a gift that she may serve him. Ali kept her in Fatima’s house. One day Fatima entered and saw that his head was in the girl’s lap. She said: “O Abu Al-Hasan! Have you done it!?” He said: “O daughter of Muhammad! I have done nothing, so what is it that you want?” She said: “Do you allow me to go to my father’s house?” He said: “I will allow you.” So she wore her Jilbab and went to the Prophet.

(source: Ibn Babaveh Al-Qummi’s “Elal Al-Sharae’”, p.163; it is also narrated in Bihar Al-Anwar, pp.43-44, Chapter on “How her life with Ali was”)]
Extract from; http://www.yazahra.net/ara/html/4/behar43/a15.html

# Hey yah! This is not sahih Bukhari where all its hadith are 100% according to your wicked scholars (though Albani repented from that rubbish after learning from Ibn Hajar who daeef many ahadith in Bukhari).


# And for your info, Shi'a are always particular about both sanad and matn of hadith before grading it unlike your school. Hadith could be sahih sanad-wise but daeef or mawdoo matn-wise.


Anyway, Kindly give us the sanad of the hadith and Shia scholars grading of the it.

Farmerforlife:


Mutawaatir, really? Go and learn to place designations on your own narrations before you place them on ours. Your hot air is too much.

Yeah, Sunni MUTAWATTIR. You are free to try your luck going against that In sha Allah you will be roasted.

Farmerforlife:

Besides, you do not really consider yourself to be the shia of Ali do you?

# Haha, are you now Shia of Ali?

I am Shia of Ali Ibn Abi Talib, only if you know how your fundamentalist scholars define a Shia. Their definition is very precise:: Whoever prefer and love Ali as superior over all sahabah including Abubakar, Umar and Uthman, is a Shia.

# Are you a shia and can you ever be?

Absolutely our own definition of Shia is far more than that.

Farmerforlife:

You are the followers of those pretending to follow him, but whom he executed and exiled, the Saba'is. I am also appalled to see that you think that the companions of Ali (as) like Abdullah ibn Saba,

# You are Jahilun murakab (compound ignorant).

Abdullah Ibn Saba, a companion of Ali?

Other little comments of yours that I ignored to reply do not deserve my time. Too silly to reply.