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Initially you held that it was Jesus words above the rest. Now, John 20:17 and John 17:3 are both Jesus words. Do you want to set it aside?

Junia:
What I listed are they scriptures ?
I addressed The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit with scriptures. Or those scriptures are not real.

removetheturban:
Initially you held that it was Jesus words above the rest. Now, John 20:17 and John 17:3 are both Jesus words. Do you want to set it aside?

I'm not setting Jesus' words aside.
I explained and you said I'm explaining with my mind and it's not scriptural.
To go by Jesus' words,
Was He the one who said before Abraham was, I Am ? If Yes, how do you understand that ?

Was He the one who said only God should be worshipped ? If Yes, why did He receive worship when He knew He wasn't God ?

God said He is the first and the last, beside Him there is no God.
Was Jesus the one who said He is the first and the last ? If Yes, why did He say that if He wasn't God ?

You're blessed

Junia:
I think I didn't explain it deeper for you to understand it. Moses had a human nature so he cannot be God. To be called God means you have a God nature.
He was just given the authority by God to act as God to Pharaoh.
To give you the authority to be a father over my son doesn't make you a father. You are just acting in my stead.

Now concerning Jesus, He emptied Himself to take on the form of a servant. He was still God. He just decided not to live like God but a servant.

Speaking of Jesus' Second Coming, Matthew 24:36 (and Mark 13:32) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
When Jesus spoke these words to the disciples, even He had no knowledge of the date and time of His return. Although Jesus was fully God (John 1:1, 14), when He became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes (Philippians 2:6 - . He did not manifest them unless directed by the Father (John 4:34; 5:30; 6:38). He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25; 3:13), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity (John 15:15).

Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return. After He was resurrected, Jesus resumed His full divine knowledge (cf. Matthew 28:18; Acts 1:7). Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28-29; 10:30; 12:49; 14:28, 31; and Matthew 26:39, 42 demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see Philippians 2:5-11). Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

Humans are called GOD in your Bible, do you agree?

Junia:
I don't know what you cannot understand. You're just in to argue. I'm not into arguments.
Speaking with His human nature, He called His Father The Only True God. And He wants to be acknowledged as The One The Father Sent. This is simply humility.

A privilege is not only granted please.

Titus 2:13, John 20:28, Colossians 2:9 etc ... shows He was fully God.

You don't need the Bible to specifically state that He is operating in two natures. Divine insight will make you understand. Unless you just don't want to.
The Bible clearly states the Word was God.
He received worship.
He was called my Lord and my God
Peter called Him our God and our Saviour
The Father said Thy Throne O God
Is that not enough to know He was fully God.

The fact that He died shows He was fully man.

How many times should I tell you He knows the date and time.
God knows everything. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are One.

Christians are partakers of the divine nature.

He didn't come to make everything known to us.
For someone to tell you He will come like a thief, is that not enough for you to know that He doesn't want you to know when He will come ?
Did He tell us where They were before They created us ?
Do you expect Him to tell us everything ?

This is so simple, He said I don't know.
A human cannot know all the things of God.
Speaking with His human nature, He cannot say certain things.

Funny, but he still refer to Yahweh as Father even after he return to heaven according to your Bible, does that not nullify your human nature logic?

Peacefullove:
Funny, but he still refer to Yahweh as Father even after he return to heaven according to your Bible, does that not nullify your human nature logic?

I don't know what you are trying to say.
The Father has always been the Father.
He has and will always call Him Father.
That doesn't nullify the idea that He is God.
The Son of A God is A God.

Who does the Bible call Word of God ?
Did the Bible describe the Word of God as God ?

Peacefullove:
Humans are called GOD in your Bible, do you agree?

I don't agree.
Christians are called God. And Christians are not human. We just live in a human body.

Junia:
I'm not setting Jesus' words aside.
I explained and you said I'm explaining with my mind and it's not scriptural.
To go by Jesus' words,
Was He the one who said before Abraham was, I Am ? If Yes, how do you understand that ?

That sentence in modern English, is not correct. You may need to check the translation because if we go by that old English, so many other verses would become controversial. What Jesus meant was that he has been before Abraham. This reiterates Proverbs 8:22 which said that before the heavens and the world Jehovah produced Jesus. Colossians 1:15 also confirms that by saying that Jesus is the firstborn of all creation

Junia:
Was He the one who said only God should be worshipped ? If Yes, why did He receive worship when He knew He wasn't God ?

If we go by your definition of worship, then many other servants of God were worshipped in the Bible. Would you want to call them Gods because they were also worshipped?

John 4:23
New International Version
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.


From the above, do you belong to the kind of worshippers that Jehovah seeks? If you truly believe in Jesus, you would hear and observe his word. He has told you the kind of worship that is pleasing to God yet you insist that you must worship him, Jesus. Do you think that your worship is pleasing to the father?

Now, listen to what Jesus said in John 4:22
...we worship what we do know...the father.

Jesus used the pronoun 'we' which includes him. Here you can see that Jesus himself has someone that he WORSHIPS.

Jesus went to the Tabernacle to Worship the true God, Jehovah. Remember that Jehovah instructed that his servants go to the Tabernacle to worship him. Who did Jesus go to worship in the Tabernacle?

Also, Jesus celebrated the Passover. That was a custom of worship to God.

Junia:
God said He is the first and the last, beside Him there is no God.
Was Jesus the one who said He is the first and the last ? If Yes, why did He say that if He wasn't God ?

Colossians 1:18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;

He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life and the last one to be so resurrected by Jehovah personally.

removetheturban:
Did Satan think it robbery to be equal to God? Did he exist in God's form?

Satan In the bible seems to be God's cousin. Satan still has access to heaven n he goes there sometimes to set bet with the Christian God. Just like in Job's case in the old testament.

Junia:
I don't know what you are trying to say.
The Father has always been the Father.
He has and will always call Him Father.
That doesn't nullify the idea that He is God.
The Son of A God is A God.

Who does the Bible call Word of God ?
Did the Bible describe the Word of God as God ?

Will you apply that logic to angel's,? Do you now accept they are GODS as well?

Peacefullove:
Will you apply that logic to angel's,? Do you now accept they are GODS as well?

Does the Bible teach that angels are sons of God ?

Junia:
I don't agree.
Christians are called God. And Christians are not human. We just live in a human body.

All humans are called GOD in your bible , Psalm 82:6

removetheturban:
That sentence in modern English, is not correct. You may need to check the translation because if we go by that old English, so many other verses would become controversial. What Jesus meant was that he has been before Abraham. This reiterates Proverbs 8:22 which said that before the heavens and the world Jehovah produced Jesus. Colossians 1:15 also confirms that by saying that Jesus is the firstborn of all creation If we go by your definition of worship, then many other servants of God were worshipped in the Bible. Would you want to call them Gods because they were also worshipped?

John 4:23
New International Version
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.


From the above, do you belong to the kind of worshippers that Jehovah seeks? If you truly believe in Jesus, you would hear and observe his word. He has told you the kind of worship that is pleasing to God yet you insist that you must worship him, Jesus. Do you think that your worship is pleasing to the father?

Now, listen to what Jesus said in John 4:22
...we worship what we do know...the father.

Jesus used the pronoun 'we' which includes him. Here you can see that Jesus himself has someone that he WORSHIPS.

Jesus went to the Tabernacle to Worship the true God, Jehovah. Remember that Jehovah instructed that his servants go to the Tabernacle to worship him. Who did Jesus go to worship in the Tabernacle?

Also, Jesus celebrated the Passover. That was a custom of worship to God.
Colossians 1:18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;

He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life and the last one to be so resurrected by Jehovah personally.

But when the sentence I Am that I Am came, it was correct.

Tell me the servants that were worshipped

Was Jesus worshipped ?
Are you saying Jesus is confused.
He received worship from someone and didn't tell the person the kind of worshippers that the Father seeks at that moment.

The Bible says Jesus was born as a man under the law. Does the law instruct that the Father be worshipped ? If yes, why question Him worshipping the Father ?

Don't change what the Bible says.
The Father says I am the first and the last
The Son says the same yet His has a different meaning

You are here quoting Colossians. But when these same disciples call Jesus God you disagree.

I'm done with you.
We will never conclude if we continue.

Peacefullove:
All humans are called GOD in your bible , Psalm 82:6

Are all humans children of God ?

Junia, trust me the last thing you will do is to engage a 'Jehovah witness' in a discussion.

They will exhaust you with their accursed doctrine.

Junia, trust me the last thing you will do is to engage a 'Jehovah witness' in a discussion.

They will exhaust you with their accursed and anti-Christ doctrine.

Respect

Junia:
But when the sentence I Am that I Am came, it was correct.

Tell me the servants that were worshipped

Was Jesus worshipped ?
Are you saying Jesus is confused.
He received worship from someone and didn't tell the person the kind of worshippers that the Father seeks at that moment.

The Bible says Jesus was born as a man under the law. Does the law instruct that the Father be worshipped ? If yes, why question Him worshipping the Father ?

Don't change what the Bible says.
The Father says I am the first and the last
The Son says the same yet His has a different meaning

You are here quoting Colossians. But when these same disciples call Jesus God you disagree.

I'm done with you.
We will never conclude if we continue.

bloodofthelamb:
Junia, trust me the last thing you will do is to engage a 'Jehovah witness' in a discussion.

They will exhaust you with their accursed and anti-Christ doctrine.

It's surprising brother.
He claims Jesus is not God.
But he knows Jesus is the Word John talks about.

Junia:
It's surprising brother.
He claims Jesus is not God.
But he knows Jesus is the Word John talks about.

Trust me it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a Jw to believe that Jesus is God.
But with God all things are possible.

bloodofthelamb:
Trust me it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a Jw to believe that Jesus is God.
But with God all things are possible.

Yeah

Junia:
Does the Bible teach that angels are sons of God ?

See this guy, Yes it does .. Now read Job 38 vs 7

After that answer my question: will you apply that logic to angels since they are son of God?

Junia:
Are all humans children of God ?

Yes , why not open your Bible to Act 17 vs 28 and see with your own eyes man.

Do you now accept humans are the ones referred to as GODS ?

Peacefullove:
Yes , why not open your Bible to Act 17 vs 28 and see with your own eyes man.

Do you now accept humans are the ones referred to as GODS ?

Paul was just quoting a Greek poet in order to win the Greeks.
The Bible to teaches that they that believe in Christ are given the power to become Sons of God.

Peacefullove:
See this guy, Yes it does .. Now read Job 38 vs 7

After that answer my question: will you apply that logic to angels since they are son of God?

Angels are not sons of God, the word sons of God there just means angles. Just like the Greek poet called humanity sons of God. Even in this world, everyone thinks he or she is a son of God because God has created that person.

Hebrews 1:5 - 6
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Junia:
Angels are not sons of God, the word sons of God there just means angles. Just like the Greek poet called humanity sons of God. Even in this world, everyone thinks he or she is a son of God because God has created that person.

Hebrews 1:5 - 6
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

trying hard to fight your fears

If angels are not son of God,did Bible lied by calling them Son of God ?

Junia:

Paul was just quoting a Greek poet in order to win the Greeks.
The Bible to teaches that they that believe in Christ are given the power to become Sons of God.

In Any research work or lecture, when you quote a certain person to buttress your point, It's a sign of approval , yes or no?

OMG Did I just read this?

Junia:
Paul was just quoting a Greek poet in order to win the Greeks.
The Bible to teaches that they that believe in Christ are given the power to become Sons of God.

Peacefullove:
trying hard to fight your fears

If angels are not son of God,did Bible lied by calling them Son of God ?

I quoted a scripture and you pretended you haven't seen it.

removetheturban:
OMG Did I just read this?

No, you didn't

Junia:
I quoted a scripture and you pretended you haven't seen it.

Drama

Does the one am talking about contradicts the one you quoted.?


Still trying hard to fight your fears

If angels are not son of God,did Bible lied by calling them Son of God ?

Peacefullove:


In Any research work or lecture, when you quote a certain person to buttress your point, It's a sign of approval , yes or no?

I'm referring you to the person who quoted it. That's Paul. And He quoted a Greek poet. Is a Greek poet the Word of God ?

Peacefullove:
Drama

Does the one am talking about contradicts the one you quoted.?


Still trying hard to fight your fears

If angels are not son of God,did Bible lied by calling them Son of God ?

The Bible called them sons of God ?
First of all are you a Christian ?

Junia:
I'm referring you to the person who quoted it. That's Paul. And He quoted a Greek poet. Is a Greek poet the Word of God ?

Oh, so Paul was lying to the Greeks that they are children of God?