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And Nigeria government told us that the past president of Nigeria enjoys immunity even after they have left the office

daewoorazer:
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If sowore will jail
1. Obasanjo and Atiku over the PTDF scandal
2. Jonathan over the fire arm scandal
3. buhari over the looming 1bn brouhaha,

I’ll vote him!
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Critics make the worst leaders.

Sowore will be worse than the ex-Presidents put together.


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Cromcruach91:
Yipes...that's scary to contemplate!

Nope, that's not scary.

Someone bigger called Abiola wasn't jailed, Rather he was killed n Yorubas did nothing. .

DrMuzungu:
That is how a decent country does it. Thieving politicians do not become senators or something. Instead, they get a prison number and that is it for the next, in this case, 12 years.

please go and read the story about Lula very well. he is not a thieving politician. He is being prosecuted for lifting millions out of poverty and bringing Brazil to the limelight. He will come out stronger and the victory at the end will be his and for PT. he is just obeying the judiciary and laying down example, not in Nigeria that they will be getting a perpetual injunction.

Really?


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Cromcruach91:
Wont happen in Nigeria

GEJ goes to jail...oil pipelines get blown up, oil prduction shuts down, civil war restarts, millions die and are displaced...country degenrates into anarchy

Buhari goes to jail...jihad declared,hundreds of millions killed and displaced, the Caliphate is redeclared, sectarian and religious war all over...countr degenerates into anarchy.

Best not to rock the boat. We loveour corrupt leaders...so long as they are our 'people'

Awake,Nigerians.

And you forget to mention OBJ

LorDBolton:
You didn't add tribalism.

Absolutely.

PrecisionFx:
What if Obasanjo goes to jail, what will happen

I guess nothing will happen. Yorubas mostly will not protest as long as his guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt. Ditto Tinubu. His kinsmen will simply tell him to go serve his term and finish it quickly so he cam come home and rest. Even after he must have finished serving his term, ONLY his family will do a homecoming for him. Yorubas as a whole will have moved on with the betterment of their own lives.

Examples include Bode George, Afolábí, etc.

Yoruba4Life:
The thing is the ignorant FOOLS which were taken advantage of would be the ones beating the drums of violence and nepotism should they attempt to bring their leaders to justice.

Just imagine Igbo pple supporting every corrupt politicians that's Igbo... simply cuz they're Igbo.. wow!

First of all, I'm an Igbo man. I can't change that accident of birth, neither am I ashamed of it. I proudly wear the Isi agu.

What you just mentioned is the same with every other tribe in Nigeria. Its not peculiar to Igbo people. Which is why I strongly believe that this present Nigeria cannot work unless we outsource our leadership (not that it will be easy then, but it's a start). We are all guilty of one sin: mistrust. We don't trust one another. Anyone who denies this is simply asleep to reality.

The poor man on the street is fighting for one politician who doesn't care one bit about him. But here's the reason. It is viewed by the man on the street as a way of disenfranchising the people of that region. The thinking goes like this, "if you arrest all our "big men", who will speak for us?" Just look at the DSS appointments that happened of recent where Katsina state alone had more recruits than the whole SouthEastern region (remember we practice "quota" system). There was an outcry from every corner. Whether those selected were actually the most qualified is a matter for another day. Would Buhari have gotten the number of SouthWestern votes he got if he had picked say, Atiku as running mate rather than Osinbajo? Please be honest with yourself. During GEJ's tenure, Ojukwu's wife was appointed to one kini kini (I don't remember precisely) as a way of making the SouthEast feel "included". Look at how the NNPC boss is being undermined and Buhari does nothing. Countless examples about, but I hope you get the drift.

Now if you want to begin jailing corrupt politicians in Nigeria where do you start and where do you end for you to be considered righteous? If you start with people of other tribes they'll come for your head. If you start with your own tribe there's the danger that you may want to prove yourself righteous and thus you may decide to convict someone even when there is nothing there.

Moreover, Nigerians can keep scores for Africa. If as a Yoruba man you jail one Yoruba and two Igbos then you're still wanting. The scores must be equal. So you have to produce another Yoruba convict even if there is none. Believe me you'll have a hard time convincing anybody that there's no corrupt person for you to jail. If you don't jail Hausa they say they have bribed you with re-election or whatever.

Look at what Nzeogwu and co. attempted. They had a perfect execution in the North. Even Aguiyi Ironsi (an Igbo man) was marked for elimination but a guy in Lagos failed to deliver. At the end of the day it was tagged an Igbo coup, even though there were people of other tribes on board with him. Till today many Nigerians still idolize the "Rawlings" treatment. But they forget (or are unaware) that Rawlings actually got the idea from Nzeogwu. With the way our justice system is misbehaving one would be tempted to call Nzeogwu a visionary who saw that those men and women in with wigs are black at heart.

Personally I believe this union was not an organic one. It was forced without consulting with the people. Now it has turned a monster, devouring everyone inside.

So my dear, what you just mentioned is not an Igbo problem. Its a Nigerian problem.

ceaser:
I guess nothing will happen. Yorubas mostly will not protest as long as his guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt. Ditto Tinubu. His kinsmen will simply tell him to go serve his term and finish it quickly so he cam come home and rest. Even after he must have finished serving his term, ONLY his family will do a homecoming for him. Yorubas as a whole will have moved on with the betterment of their own lives.

Examples include Bode George, Afolábí, etc.

Word is cheap. Until it happens we will never know. Who would have conceived of what happened with Ibori's return?

Jacob Zuma fell from power and he was docked. In Nigeria, corrupt ex- rulers in freedom render advice on how to run affair of a state. What an irony.

ceaser:
I guess nothing will happen. Yorubas mostly will not protest as long as his guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt. Ditto Tinubu. His kinsmen will simply tell him to go serve his term and finish it quickly so he cam come home and rest. Even after he must have finished serving his term, ONLY his family will do a homecoming for him. Yorubas as a whole will have moved on with the betterment of their own lives.

Examples include Bode George, Afolábí, etc.

Oga relax n stop deceiving ur self. Yorubas have been defending tiffnubu with every drop of their blood that he is not corrupt.

The Yoruba will obviously do nothing except protests (which is the only thing they did wen Abiola was killed). Or was Abiola proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubts that he rigged the 1993 election .
They don't have the guts to do anything. Simple.

TheLordIsGr8:
First of all, I'm an Igbo man. I can't change that accident of birth, neither am I ashamed of it. I proudly wear the Isi agu.

What you just mentioned is the same with every other tribe in Nigeria. Its not peculiar to Igbo people. Which is why I strongly believe that this present Nigeria cannot work unless we outsource our leadership (not that it will be easy then, but it's a start). We are all guilty of one sin: mistrust. We don't trust one another. Anyone who denies this is simply asleep to reality.

The poor man on the street is fighting for one politician who doesn't care one bit about him. But here's the reason. It is viewed by the man on the street as a way of disenfranchising the people of that region. The thinking goes like this, "if you arrest all our "big men", who will speak for us?" Just look at the DSS appointments that happened of recent where Katsina state alone had more recruits than the whole SouthEastern region (remember we practice "quota" system). There was an outcry from every corner. Whether those selected were actually the most qualified is a matter for another day. Would Buhari have gotten the number of SouthWestern votes he got if he had picked say, Atiku as running mate rather than Osinbajo? Please be honest with yourself. During GEJ's tenure, Ojukwu's wife was appointed to one kini kini (I don't remember precisely) as a way of making the SouthEast feel "included". Look at how the NNPC boss is being undermined and Buhari does nothing. Countless examples about, but I hope you get the drift.

Now if you want to begin jailing corrupt politicians in Nigeria where do you start and where do you end for you to be considered righteous? If you start with people of other tribes they'll come for your head. If you start with your own tribe there's the danger that you may want to prove yourself righteous and thus you may decide to convict someone even when there is nothing there.

Moreover, Nigerians can keep scores for Africa. If as a Yoruba man you jail one Yoruba and two Igbos then you're still wanting. The scores must be equal. So you have to produce another Yoruba convict even if there is none. Believe me you'll have a hard time convincing anybody that there's no corrupt person for you to jail. If you don't jail Hausa they say they have bribed you with re-election or whatever.

Look at what Nzeogwu and co. attempted. They had a perfect execution in the North. Even Aguiyi Ironsi (an Igbo man) was marked for elimination but a guy in Lagos failed to deliver. At the end of the day it was tagged an Igbo coup, even though there were people of other tribes on board with him. Till today many Nigerians still idolize the "Rawlings" treatment. But they forget (or are unaware) that Rawlings actually got the idea from Nzeogwu. With the way our justice system is misbehaving one would be tempted to call Nzeogwu a visionary who saw that those men and women in with wigs are black at heart.

Personally I believe this union was not an organic one. It was forced without consulting with the people. Now it has turned a monster, devouring everyone inside.

So my dear, what you just mentioned is not an Igbo problem. Its a Nigerian problem.

""I can't change that accident of birth""

What is the meaning of this phrase?

Yoruba4Life:
The thing is the ignorant FOOLS which were taken advantage of would be the ones beating the drums of violence and nepotism should they attempt to bring their leaders to justice.

Just imagine Igbo pple supporting every corrupt politicians that's Igbo... simply cuz they're Igbo.. wow!

Oh, So u have forgotten wen Yorubas on nairaland defender Fashola with every drop of their blood. Even wen it was revealed that Fashola stole 78 Million naira to build his personal website (which he never denied), Yorubas still came here n exonerated Fashola because he's their fellow Yoruba.



Nigga chill man, stop acting over righteous.

PrecisionFx:
""I can't change that accident of birth""

What is the meaning of this phrase?

There are some things that we are born with in which we have no say about how they'll be. There are usually many combinations but you only get a few of them and the selection process is totally random. For example your skin color. You could have been born with a white skin, or brown or even blue. But you found yourself with chocolate . There's nothing you could have done about it. There are many such things e.g your parents (by extension your mother tongue), your siblings, whether your teeth is white or brown and such like things. Perhaps your parents have some say in where you're born (lots of people running to US to give birth). So that's not strictly an accident cos someone planned for it.

Hope you get the gist.

Babateemd:
please go and read the story about Lula very well. he is not a thieving politician. He is being prosecuted for lifting millions out of poverty and bringing Brazil to the limelight. He will come out stronger and the victory at the end will be his and for PT. he is just obeying the judiciary and laying down example, not in Nigeria that they will be getting a perpetual injunction.

the west are not happy that he spearheaded the founding of BRICS which his protege Dilma Rouseff pursued its advancement vehemently.

They want to wipe away such legacy and principle from the polity so that no politician from that camp (and school of thought) will ascend to power in the future.

With collaboration from local politicians on the right wing, they want to limit Brazil to OAS, a regional power not a global player in synergy with china, india and russia.

TheLordIsGr8:
Word is cheap. Until it happens we will never know. Who would have conceived of what happened with Ibori's return?

Bode George happened. Heavens did not fall. He was guilty and rightly did the time, though apparently and to my chagrin, he remained unfazed. But don't they all? Those convicted criminals still raise their heads up high. Ibori had a heroic welcome.

Yorubas generally vilify OBJ more for his wrongdoings (he has some sides worthy of encomiums) which some who are not his kinsmen will rather overlook.

He said one thing and that is one of the things I praise him for: He said he was not the president of Yorubas but the president of Nigerians and as such administered his governance, I believe, in that line of not being nepotistic. But among other sundry misteps, that his illegal 3rd term drama which required wasting so much unnecessary monies to bribe those gullible lawmakers thereby igniting that fire of greed in those chambers - a monster which has become gargantuan today, is one of my grudges against him.

PrecisionFx:
Oga relax n stop deceiving ur self. Yorubas have been defending tiffnubu with every drop of their blood that he is not corrupt.

The Yoruba will obviously do nothing except protests (which is the only thing they did wen Abiola was killed). Or was Abiola proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubts that he rigged the 1993 election .
They don't have the guts to do anything. Simple.

Do you really expect them to carry arms? Would that be the wisest step to take in such circumstance or to stage a civil protest?

And as for "proving Abiola guilty of wrongdoing", the real reason of Yorubas dissatisfaction was IBB's refusal to give a man his rightly acquired mandate irrespective of if he was Yoruba or not. Just do the right thing first, then if he was then charged to court and rightly convicted of digging or other wrongdoings, then by all means he should be axed.

Remember Yorubas were mostly behing the SNG that demanded that the right thing of substantiating GEJ as the president should be done. This was irrespective of if he was from another ethnic group. I held that same strong conviction. I always say it that if GEJ had been the president Nigerians hoped to have, unifying the diversity and refused to be carried away, no Buhari from Jupiter would be able to withstand him. But the moment GEJ began to derail despite all entreaties, well, he could no longer be the knight in shining armour. Ditto for PMB. I only hope that Nigerians will be presented with a better alternative to PMB that will give him a run for his money come 2019.

PrecisionFx:
Oh, So u have forgotten wen Yorubas on nairaland defender Fashola with every drop of their blood. Even wen it was revealed that Fashola stole 78 Million naira to build his personal website (which he never denied), Yorubas still came here n exonerated Fashola because he's their fellow Yoruba.



Nigga chill man, stop acting over righteous.

Oh come on. You know deep down that isn't entirely correct. He admitted to that accusation which majority saw as gross irresponsibility on his part. He was not spared the vituperations. No sane individual, irrespective of ethno-religious affiliation, should praise him for that. Even when he was announced minister, considering the tripartite portfolio he is given, the loudest voices against his ability to deliver were Yorubas. Presently for his mediocre performance as a minister, Yorubas don't defend him against all rightfully directed criticisms. It's basically OYO for him.

ceaser:
Oh come on. You know deep down that isn't entirely correct. He admitted to that accusation which majority saw as gross irresponsibility on his part. He was not spared the vituperations. No sane individual, irrespective of ethno-religious affiliation, should praise him for that. Even when he was announced minister, considering the tripartite portfolio he is given, the loudest voices against his ability to deliver were Yorubas. Presently for his mediocre performance as a minister, Yorubas don't defend him against all rightfully directed criticisms. It's basically OYO for him.

""considering the tripartite portfolio he is given, the loudest voices against his ability to deliver were Yorubas""

Blatant Lies.
Yorubas on nairaland defended Fashola with every drop of their blood, don't even go there.



"".He admitted to that accusation""

He didn't admit, he simply said he doesn't sign cheques. Nigga pls stop saying trash abeg.

Why are you like this? This (quoted) is what you first emphasized. I simply rephrased it in the way you apparently prefer the reality to be. But again you had to put another "twist of reality" when you were busted.

PrecisionFx:
Even wen it was revealed that Fashola stole 78 Million naira to build his personal website (which he never denied), Yorubas still came here n exonerated Fashola because he's their fellow Yoruba. Nigga chill man, stop acting over righteous.

See. You typed "stole 78 million naira.....which he never denied"
I typed "..he admitted to that accusation"

So you see what you are doing to yourself now, right?

But really, I get the drum rhythm you kept beating, being another twist of reality you will want all to believe - "Yorubas on Nairaland defended Fashola with every drop of their blood". We yaff hear. Happy now?

PrecisionFx:
""considering the tripartite portfolio he is given, the loudest voices against his ability to deliver were Yorubas""

Blatant Lies.
Yorubas on nairaland defended Fashola with every drop of their blood, don't even go there.



"".He admitted to that accusation""

He didn't admit, he simply said he doesn't sign cheques. Nigga pls stop saying trash abeg.

ceaser:
Why are you like this? This (quoted) is what you first emphasized. I simply rephrased it in the way you apparently prefer the reality to be. But again you had to put another "twist of reality" when you were busted.



See. You typed "stole 78 million naira.....which he never denied"
I typed "..he admitted to that accusation"

So you see what you are doing to yourself now, right?

But really, I get the drum rhythm you kept beating, being another twist of reality you will want all to believe - "Yorubas on Nairaland defended Fashola with every drop of their blood". We yaff hear. Happy now?

I think ur having a memory loss. Go back and read about this issue online. Wen the Senate asked Fashola about the 78 million nairapersonal website ish, He simply said he doesn't sign cheaques



I don't fuckkin care if u believe me or not, All u can believe is in this website. Simply dig up the old threads on this topic, The Yorubas on nairaland where defending n exonorating Fashola on this issue.

romme2u:
the west are not happy that he spearheaded the founding of BRICS which his protege Dilma Rouseff pursued its advancement vehemently.

They want to wipe away such legacy and principle from the polity so that no politician from that camp (and school of thought) will ascend to power in the future.

With collaboration from local politicians on the right wing, they want to limit Brazil to OAS, a regional power not a global player in synergy with china, india and russia.

A whole lot of interference from the west in the affairs, surreptitiously or subtly, of other sovereign nations over decades could be said to accout for nearly 60% of unrests all over the world. Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, and in recent times Libya. The fallout of the problems created in Libya spawned the ISIS wing of Africa which has somewhat metamorphose into other factions including Boko Haram. Arms proliferation to sub-Saharan Africa can also be traced to this. It's a terrible thing.

ceaser:
A whole lot of interference from the west in the affairs, surreptitiously or subtly, of other sovereign nations over decades could be said to account for nearly 60% of unrests all over the world. Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, and in recent times Libya. The fallout of the problems created in Libya spawned the ISIS wing of Africa which has somewhat metamorphose into other factions including Boko Haram. Arms proliferation to sub-Saharan Africa can also be traced to this. It's a terrible thing.

Greedy and self serving local politicians with no sense of self-worth help them to perpetrate such all over the world.

Many countries populace don't see what their leaders face from the hands of those demonic fellows. Until the west are nationally demonized as is done in Iran, North Korea, China and Russia, countries like Brazil, South Africa, Turkey and those with large pro-west politicians/masses will continue to suffer political unstability as the west are ready to sponsor any unrest that will further their interest.

romme2u:
Greedy and self serving local politicians with no sense of self-worth help them to perpetrate such all over the world

Many countries populace don't see what their leaders face from the hands of those demonic fellows. Until the west are nationally demonized as is done in Iran, North Korea, China and Russia, countries like Brazil, South Africa, Turkey and those with large pro-west politicians/masses will continue to suffer political unstability as the west are ready to sponsor any unrest that will further their interest.

Absolutely right @ hooded.
I've seen a video of a US reverend attesting to the West's interference in other countries' sovereignty as an evil that slowly creeps up and eats up world peace and unity.

Now Trump has just declared his intention to send "new and smart" missiles, as he termed it, to Syria for the leader's use of gas warfare on Syrians. I believe this is one of Trump's funny threats, like with NK. Unsure of the allegations though but it has expectedly been denied by the Syrian government. Russia has kicked against Trump's decision and people are telling him that his "new and smart" missiles are best turned in the direction of the terrorists that have been troubling Syria for decades.

If Ghadaffi's Libya disintegration can spawn this current threat to world peace, it's scarier what Syria's will result into.