Rucheen:
Thiefs are liars
Liars are thiefs

If that's a test, Sowore have a pass mark

How do you know if Sawore pass? Can you swear by Ogun that Sawore have not stole anything before? Even if that's the case, he will steal since he will be going into politics. I don't care if you're a pastor, imam or otherwise once you join politic you will join the thieves and be corrupt.

LordAdam16:


Are you seriously asking this question? Have you ever heard of social pressure?

The kind that occurred after the immigration scandal under GEJ that forced several changes. The kind that made Odua lose her job? The kind that Babachir lose his job? The kind that made Maina flee the country despite the fact that just days before his re-appointment came to light he was campaigning to become the governor of his state?

There is no such thing as "only way." It is a concerted effort using different means to better the country's situation.



You got to be kidding me.

Read Fatodu's account on Sowore here -- http://punchng.com/sowore-fatodu-trade-accusations-threaten-legal-action/. All of it may not be true, but as they say, there's no smoke without fire. This same Sowore proclaimed in 2017 that there was no more corruption in Nigeria at the University of Kent. This was his exact quote "There is no corruption in Nigeria anymore because there is nothing else to steal and loot."

https://www.nairaland.com/3957428/president-buhari-became-sick-result/

You have to be abhorrently corrupt to say there is no corruption in Nigeria in 2017. Or do you think corruption is only taking money from public coffers?



Disagreeing wouldn't change the reality or facts on ground. This is not El Dorado. This is Nigeria. You either face reality or you stop replying me.



Life is a risk. But you don't get through it by taking st*pid risks like standing in front of a Mac truck on an interstate thinking it wouldn't knock you down. You take calculated risk. Voting a corrupt stooge in a corrupt system and thinking that'd somehow make restructuring a reality is like walking into a burning building expecting not to get burned.

I'm not a blind believer. That's how your kind blindly believed in the mofo-in-chief in Aso Rock ignoring all the telltale signs and got their *ss handed to them. You want to go for round 2. Apparently, you enjoy doing the same over and over again, expecting a different result.



That is a hot steaming pile of crap!

BVN was implemented. Ghost workers are being eliminated. Fertilizer scam was stopped. Important, powerful people who are part of the elite were part of these rings that are getting clipped.

There's a reason why the state governments are refusing to subject themselves to the FOI federal law. The heat it'd generate would be too much for them to handle. That heat is the major thing that'd force the change we want. Not one corrupt maniac sitting in Aso Rock who is obviously oblivious of all the challenges we face.

That heat will bring about restructuring if you blockheads channeled your energy correctly. But no, all you're concerned about is the next obviously corrupt stooge you'd have "faith" in.

Unbelievable!



Innocent of what?

The documents and information he gets are from sources that have access to the seat of government. Now why would these same sources provide these information if they weren't using it to forward their own political agenda.

You guys should get out of your echo chamber and taste the coffee. Sowore is Buhari 2.0. A corrupt stooge being propped up by corrupt elements and if possible get elected with corrupt funds who will fail monumentally when given power.

If you can't see that, then no problem. Vote for him. Be a sucker again for the umpteenth time. History always repeats itself they say.

BTW, I have no interest in debating about a charlatan like Sowore with you. I've got better things to do than waste my time over a cheap blackmailer.

-Lord

Sorry to disturb you but please who do you feel should be our president after next year's election.

..... I just wan see wetin go happen when dis guy land Kwara State !

adadike:
No wonder, we are killing u guys with codeine syrup. ewu!

And u r dying over drug business all over the world.

trillville:



Sorry to disturb you but please who do you feel should be our president after next year's election.

At the moment, I'm supporting no one. I don't even care who becomes the President.

However, I have an issue with the bandying about of silly postulations and this "who is the Messiah" question that comes up every election year.

I have a problem with it because there is no Messiah. And this obsession with a fictional character that doesn't exist would have people electing unfit criminals just because they were cleaned up by campaign noise every election year.

There's no policy discussion. No objective debate of what they intend to do and how they intend to go about it. All we have are unrealistic nonsense like "I'd make minimum wage N100,000," "I'd solve our infrastructural problems," "I'd create millions of jobs," "I'd provide uninterrupted power supply," "I'd fight corruption."

The questions to ask are: where are we coming from, where are we, where are we going to, and what do I expect from a person who would be elected with corrupt money in a corrupt system to be able to achieve in 4 years.

Not crap about who will solve Nigeria's problems, who would take us to our final destination, who would rid the country of corruption...

Quantify what you want; tally it with they say they'd do and how; then vote the candidate with the most realistic, achievable, and logical proposition.

This is civic education 101. But apparently we have a lot of disillusioned and uninformed voters who think that's too much hassle. They just want to hear the most scintillating sound bites, then vote on the basis of "faith." You're going to stake the lives of 200 million Nigerians on a "leap of faith" rather than facts. And such a person is supposed to be educated.

-Lord

papoudaupolos:

And u r dying over drug business all over the world.

I agree. I rather die over big time drug business than die over lizard shit and cow dung. tufiakwa!

Cromcruach91:


Excellent post.

Sowore wants to go through go fund me? How many Nigerians have heard about go fund me? How many Nigerians have access to the web?

Me think Sowore can achieve this if he can utilise the social media(the very medium that shot him to limelight). He should engage the youths in various media by letting them to see the reasons why having youths with character is the best choice. He can set a new trend by engaging in persuasive discourses as campaign strategy, instead of the old money throwing formula. If indeed,he is capable of effecting change in the status quo,then the litmus test is seeing his pedigree speak for him instead of his money. #good luck to him.

[quote author=LordAdam16 post=66702404]

Are you seriously asking this question? Have you ever heard of social pressure?

The kind that occurred after the immigration scandal under GEJ that forced several changes. The kind that made Odua lose her job? The kind that Babachir lose his job? The kind that made Maina flee the country despite the fact that just days before his re-appointment came to light he was campaigning to become the governor of his state?

There is no such thing as "only way." It is a concerted effort using different means to better the country's situation.

Good luck with your "social pressure".

The same social pressure that has failed to bring about the much needed restructuring.

The same social pressure that has failed to bring back the kidnapped Chibok girls from captivity.

The same social pressure that has failed to get any politician convicted for looting of public funds in the last 10years. Yeah, that's right. Social pressure.

You got to be kidding me.

Read Fatodu's account on Sowore here -- http://punchng.com/sowore-fatodu-trade-accusations-threaten-legal-action/. All of it may not be true, but as they say, there's no smoke without fire. This same Sowore proclaimed in 2017 that there was no more corruption in Nigeria at the University of Kent. This was his exact quote "There is no corruption in Nigeria anymore because there is nothing else to steal and loot."

https://www.nairaland.com/3957428/president-buhari-became-sick-result/

You have to be abhorrently corrupt to say there is no corruption in Nigeria in 2017. Or do you think corruption is only taking money from public coffers?

I guess you skipped class when parts of the English grammar was being taught. I don't need to open that link recognize a rhetorical statement when I see one.
Please check up on what rhetoric means and when and where you can use one.

You expecting your rival and enemy to publish something nice about you is naïve. You say you allow that part of it may not be true. Lol. Which part do you know to be hundred percent true that you can pick up a bible and swear by.

Brace yourself, more mudslinging from the opposition will surely arise when his campaign progresses.

Disagreeing wouldn't change the reality or facts on ground. This is not El Dorado. This is Nigeria. You either face reality or you stop replying me.

And what is the reality or facts that you have presented that can be considered against the character or person of this young man we are talking about except hearsay from enemies? Nigeria is not El Dorado. Which country is a Utopian society? Go on. Point it out to us.
Show us which country is totally free of corruption, and I'll show you a country that doesn't exist.

Life is a risk. But you don't get through it by taking st*pid risks like standing in front of a Mac truck on an interstate thinking it wouldn't knock you down. You take calculated risk. Voting a corrupt stooge in a corrupt system and thinking that'd somehow make restructuring a reality is like walking into a burning building expecting not to get burned.

You are just throwing accusations around blindly and carelessly. He's a corrupt stooge. Of who? Mention names and show us proof. Talk is cheap.

I'm not a blind believer. That's how your kind blindly believed in the mofo-in-chief in Aso Rock ignoring all the telltale signs and got their *ss handed to them. You want to go for round 2. Apparently, you enjoy doing the same over and over again, expecting a different result.

And your kind would rather have a kleptomaniac Jonathan and band of looters in office for another round of unmitigated looting. Nigeria is still yet to recover from the recession those bastards plunged us in. We made a risky bet on Buhari. He's failed our expectations. No need crying over spilt milk. We have another 4 years to shop for a replacement.

But you would rather stick to the dead weight dragging you down below into the murky waters of depression because you are afraid to try again and take some risks.

I wonder who you're fronting for. Name that person that you think should occupy the post cone 2019.

That is a hot steaming pile of crap!

BVN was implemented. Ghost workers are being eliminated. Fertilizer scam was stopped. Important, powerful people who are part of the elite were part of these rings that are getting clipped.

And this here is a cold frozen pile of crap.

For three years all we can point to fertilizer and BVN? Smh. was this what was promised when they were about to be voted in?

There's a reason why the state governments are refusing to subject themselves to the FOI federal law. The heat it'd generate would be too much for them to handle. That heat is the major thing that'd force the change we want. Not one corrupt maniac sitting in Aso Rock who is obviously oblivious of all the challenges we face.

So how do you plan to get the governors of the states to yield? Lemme guess, social pressure? Ok.

That heat will bring about restructuring if you blockheads channeled your energy correctly. But no, all you're concerned about is the next obviously corrupt stooge you'd have "faith" in.

What heat? The only heat you're generating can't even get dodo. You think Nigerian leaders are bothered by urchins like you clinging to their keyboards talking about social pressure? Lol. No wonder the dishonorable minister of communication referred to your I'll as inconsequential.

Stay in your room and be generating heat and imaginary social pressure. When you're tired you'll get your skinny ass of the seat and join the fight as Sowore has done.


It's quite funny that peeps like you who prolly weren't born when Babangida annuled the June 12 elections that brought in Abacha and the whole struggle for democracy that threw up people like Sowore would come here to run your mouth on matters you think you know but know nothing about.


If those NADECO peeps who fought tooth and nail for democracy had sat down in their houses biting their nails and waiting for social pressure, you think things wont be worse than it is now?

Unbelievable!



Innocent of what?

The documents and information he gets are from sources that have access to the seat of government. Now why would these same sources provide these information if they weren't using it to forward their own political agenda.

You guys should get out of your echo chamber and taste the coffee. Sowore is Buhari 2.0. A corrupt stooge being propped up by corrupt elements and if possible get elected with corrupt funds who will fail monumentally when given power.

If you can't see that, then no problem. Vote for him. Be a sucker again for the umpteenth time. History always repeats itself they say.

I'm not sure you know how investigative journalism works. You think it is sitting down in your house and waiting for news to fall on you?. Lol. You are a funny chap. Show me that corrupt person you think is sponsoring Sowore and I'll go to Nairaland and pull the negative articles that have been written about that person.

People of your ilk follow the band wagon mentality. You hear some rumor somewhere and because his media organization haf prolly in the past attacked one of your beloved politicians you think he should be demonized.
If I'm to guess I won't be surprised if you're from the Eastern part of this country.

BTW, I have no interest in debating about a charlatan like Sowore with you. I've got better things to do than waste my time over a cheap blackmailer.

-Lord

This statement here tells me that I'm right.

He's reported on your favorite corrupt politicians and now you tag that as blackmail.

Shame!
Shame!!
Shame!!!

Well, go right ahead and vote for your social pressure. Social pressure will occupy the position of power in 2019 and make the changes we want.

I'm still waiting for the name of the person you'd rather we vote for...

Esseite:
Social media would change all that... if not for social media would durotoye or sowore via for presidential tickets?

Another step is the change in election sequence, it would enable mushroom parties via for elective positions on equal platforms.. eliminate bandwagon effects.

sorry but the word you are looking for is vie not via...

omohayek:
The old man is simply speaking the truth. It takes a lot of money to run an effective political campaign, especially in a country like Nigeria, where voters care more about who is sharing rice on election day than they do about political philosophies or track records. People making references to America to dispute the man are simply speaking from rank ignorance, as American politics at the presidential level is by far the most expensive in the world; the real difference between America and Nigeria is that in the USA, there are at least a few limits on how much individuals can contribute to any given political campaign (even if said limits are too weak to stop individuals like the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson from being kingmakers), so American political parties are funded primarily through the small donations of ordinary people, while in Nigerian politics the masses pay nothing to support any of the parties, and they correspondingly have no influence on how they are run.

If you can't get your funding from the Nigerian masses, what choice do you have but to turn to rich godfathers, unless you are rich yourself, and how many rich Nigerians are there who haven't made their money through "chopping" government funds in some way, even if disguised as "contracts" or whatever? This is where corruption inevitably enters the system, and things only get worse when you take into account all the traditional rulers and "opinion makers" who claim to be able to deliver the votes of entire communities, and want to be paid well for doing so: satisfying this latter group was the big reason behind the whole "Dasukigate" scandal in the first place.

Sowore is trying to bypass all of these issues by raising money online through GoFundMe and other such venues, but will the Nigerian diaspora fund his effort enough for it to be effective, especially in the face of the many avenues for looting available to incumbents under Nigeria's current setup? This is the big question whose answer remains to be seen.

Sowore's record in Unilag was nothing to write much about.

LordAdam16:


At the moment, I'm supporting no one. I don't even care who becomes the President.

However, I have an issue with the bandying about of silly postulations and this "who is the Messiah" question that comes up every election year.

I have a problem with it because there is no Messiah. And this obsession with a fictional character that doesn't exist would have people electing unfit criminals just because they were cleaned up by campaign noise every election year.

There's no policy discussion. No objective debate of what they intend to do and how they intend to go about it. All we have are unrealistic nonsense like "I'd make minimum wage N100,000," "I'd solve our infrastructural problems," "I'd create millions of jobs," "I'd provide uninterrupted power supply," "I'd fight corruption."

The questions to ask are: where are we coming from, where are we, where are we going to, and what do I expect from a person who would be elected with corrupt money in a corrupt system to be able to achieve in 4 years.

Not crap about who will solve Nigeria's problems, who would take us to our final destination, who would rid the country of corruption...

Quantify what you want; tally it with they say they'd do and how; then vote the candidate with the most realistic, achievable, and logical proposition.

This is civic education 101. But apparently we have a lot of disillusioned and uninformed voters who think that's too much hassle. They just want to hear the most scintillating sound bites, then vote on the basis of "faith." You're going to stake the lives of 200 million Nigerians on a "leap of faith" rather than facts. And such a person is supposed to be educated.

-Lord

So would you rather continue with Buhari?

Look democracy is a difficult system of governance. Without voting out the leadership, they will only start to take us, the citizens for granted. Sowore may not be the Messiah but he provides an opportunity for Nigerians to take power back from a generation of recycled politicians.

Maybe LordAdam16 is the Messiah? We will never know if we don't allow our democracy to mature until a person like you would be giving the opportunity to lead.
You are a good writer and your skills can be put to good use. Consider supporting any youthful candidate. Tope Fasau seems to have an in depth understanding of Nigeria's problems. Get your PVC a prepare to vote.

trapQ:
Useless old idiots. Is Nigerian politics different from the kne they play in America? Nonsense!

I'm sure you are not in America so don't say what you have no knowledge of. Why the insult, the old man was right because he has first-hand knowledge. Let me educate you about American election, yes there is a lot of money in the system but the difference is, there are individuals, pressure groups and corporates contributions where citizens and companies are allowed to contribute money as low as $1 to individuals campaigns organizations. Candidates don't run with their own money, even when they want to put their own money, it will be in the form of lending to his/her campaigns organizations and he/she are at the liberty to get the money back from his/her campaign organization if he/she lose or win the election. Now at the end of an election if the campaign organizations have a debt the law allows them to solicit money to be used in paying their debt or in the case of having money in the account after an election the campaign organizations can decides to keep money to be used if the candidate want to seek re-election or they can give the money to their parties or give it to a charities .

Omeokachie:
What is this man saying gaan?

Buhari is also a thief looking for thieves.

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As I've told you, I have no time for this nonsense.

If you're saying social pressure has had no impact on the Chibok kidnap then I don't see why I should continue replying you.

I'm typically thorough when I go at issues on this forum, but Sowore is not a topic that is deserving of my time.

And it is unjustifiable to have a back and forth with someone who'd prop up a despicable charlatan who is supposedly an investigative journalist who just last year said there was no more corruption in Nigeria under Buhari. That's the person you think would "make changes".

It's not surprising, after all in 2015 you believed a 73-yr old illiterate would make $1=N1.

Bloody hell! Vote who you want, I don't give a sh*t.

-Lord

I'm just waiting for saint Buhari to comment.

trillville:


So would you rather continue with Buhari?

Look democracy is a difficult system of governance. Without voting out the leadership, they will only start to take us, the citizens for granted. Sowore may not be the Messiah but he provides an opportunity for Nigerians to take power back from a generation of recycled politicians.

Maybe LordAdam16 is the Messiah? We will never know if we don't allow our democracy to mature until a person like you would be giving the opportunity to lead.
You are a good writer and your skills can be put to good use. Consider supporting any youthful candidate. Tope Fasau seems to have an in depth understanding of Nigeria's problems. Get your PVC a prepare to vote.

Are Buhari and Sowore the only options?

Or do you think if the options are between Buhari (APC), Kwankwaso (PDP), and Sowore (Third Force); I'd choose one of those last two moppets over a disaster that we're sure will leave in 4 years.

Geez, we've not even heard the propositions of the candidates yet.

I have no issues with voting out a government that doesn't meet expectations (whether they're realistic or not). I have an issue with voting in someone worse all in the misguided attempt to send a message. Does Buhari's behavior suggest someone who is concerned about losing?

He has all of his people in the agencies that matter. He can imprison anyone he likes for as long as he wants. He has muzzled the press. And he has his willing 12 million minions. That's excluding rigging in a North that'd be compliant.

Buhari and Atiku are the last of their kind. The generation after them--Saraki, el-Rufai, et al--are no better. And I'm 99.9% certain Sowore is a Yahaya Bello with a temper. Youthful candidates should go to the grassroots and change things where the stakes are much lower and they can have sizable impact. Build a reputation as performers then gun for the top job.

If you want to jump the gun and make a statement, no problem. Just don't bring a charlatan who has been in bed with the same recycled politicians and whose opinions are as fickle as the wind.

-Lord

Bla bla bla...

You made absolutely zero point. Donald Trump campaigned with his own money and he made this crystal clear. Moreover this isn't about campaign money.

For a politician to openly declare what is contained in the op, it means he has endorsed stealing.

No American politician has ever looted anything remotely close to 1/10 of what a politician loots in Nigeria and gone Scot free. Not since I was born and it's a fact

jamjo:




I'm sure you are not in America so don't say what you have no knowledge of. Why the insult, the old man was right because he has first-hand knowledge. Let me educate you about American election, yes there is a lot of money in the system but the difference is, there are individuals, pressure groups and corporates contributions where citizens and companies are allowed to contribute money as low as $1 to individuals campaigns organizations. Candidates don't run with their own money, even when they want to put their own money, it will be in the form of lending to his/her campaigns organizations and he/she are at the liberty to get the money back from his/her campaign organization if he/she lose or win the election. Now at the end of an election if the campaign organizations have a debt the law allows them to solicit money to be used in paying their debt or in the case of having money in the account after an election the campaign organizations can decides to keep money to be used if the candidate want to seek re-election or they can give the money to their parties or give it to a charities .

So Buhari the anti kwarapshan crooner is a their?

hinograce:
I fear for this mentality. God help us

Please read between the lines to understand what the man said

Will you sharraap there.

grandstar:


Sowore's record in Unilag was nothing to write much about.

trapQ:
Bla bla bla...

You made absolutely zero point. and he made this crystal clear. Moreover this isn't about campaign money.

For a politician to openly declare what is contained in the op, it means he has endorsed stealing.

No American politician has ever looted anything remotely close to 1/10 of what a politician loots in Nigeria and gone Scot free. Not since I was born and it's a fact

Yes, it is all about campaign money, If you did not comprehend the question Omoyele Sowore asked and the answer the former governor gave please go and read it in entirety. "The former governor said the expensiveness of the Nigerian politics is one of the reasons why it is not possible for a clean person to become the president of the country" and that is why the leaders who otherwise would have taken Nigeria to achieve its potential don't emerge because they have no money. Nigeria politicians steal to contest elections that are the reality. And as for Donald Trump campaigned with his own money, yes he did but the money goes to his campaign organization fund as a borrowed money from Trump.

jrusky:
If I may understand Musa I think he is saying the truth to some extent because looking at the way Nigeria politics stand right now if truly you are not thief it might be difficult to be president Nigeria as country is structured in such a way huge cash must flow to win even concillorship election and how would you get the huge cash is now the question.

Love of money has finished Nigeria. To even get presidential form.you need 25 million naira or more then how much will he use to campaign Can someone with his hard earned money try such What is the worth of Sowero being Sahara reporter does not mean he got the ball then where will he get the cash from if even donated for him pls who are the ones that donated the money

And this Sowero or Soweto was he not the one apc used against gej Was this boy not among those who put nigeria in the hand of clueless dullard tall for nothing man called Buhari Sorry I can't support Sowero or Soweto he can go to hell as far as I'm concern anyone that participated in selling bad market called Buhari to Nigerians I can't forgive them so I don't give a bleep about any idiot called Dowore or Soweto or whatever damn thing.

Pls don't allow sentiment becloud ur judgement.

Pls point of correction, Buhari is not a thief..

adadike:
I agree. I rather die over big time drug business than die over lizard shit and cow dung. tufiakwa!

Any drug peddler is going to die horribly. But to the poto pigs they call it big time.tufiakwa! Indeed.

Elliot2:
Me think Sowore can achieve this if he can utilise the social media(the very medium that shot him to limelight). He should engage the youths in various media by letting them to see the reasons why having youths with character is the best choice. He can set a new trend by engaging in persuasive discourses as campaign strategy, instead of the old money throwing formula. If indeed,he is capable of effecting change in the status quo,then the litmus test is seeing his pedigree speak for him instead of his money. #good luck to him.

So you think every Nigerian youth is on social media,? what about the thugs and touts out there used to rig election, I think they need money not "talk".

grandstar:


Sowore's record in Unilag was nothing to write much about.

Go on, dig up his past life, as if you don't have one.

Olatara:
So you think every Nigerian youth is on social media,? what about the thugs and touts out there used to rig election, I think they need money not "talk".

those touts and thugs used by the politicians to rig elections do not represent the majority of the youths. So they cannot stop any determined revolution by the larger masses. If Sowore can engage the larger population of the youths by engaging them in persuasive arguments -if he is able to win them over- then victory is his.

trapQ:
Useless old idiots. Is Nigerian politics different from the one they play in America? Nonsense!

Hey hey hey are those insults neccessary? lets be polite and civil

Esseite:
Social media would change all that... if not for social media would durotoye or sowore via for presidential tickets?

yes with traditional media

Another step is the change in election sequence, it would enable mushroom parties via for elective positions on equal platforms.. eliminate bandwagon effects.

no bandwagon effect unless yua a thief

adadike:
And they are mostly northerners. Northerners have finished us in this country.

is your gov a northerner
what of your lg chairman is he a northerner too
rep
senator
minister
commisioners
PAs
SAs
SSAs nko
they all norteners?

Paperwhite:
“We have a system of survival of the fittest, Nobody can be a president of Nigeria unless he is a thief or supported by thieves."
Balarabe is sarcastically referring to the dullard Nigeria have up there.Meanwhile this is sadly the truth of Nigerian politics.

his truth
your truth
not THE truth
only lazy ppl think that stealing is the only way

nothing wrong with the system

Emycord:
sowore2019 come and read what i told you in the other thread. " the political system is bad"