tdayof:

SF team do not need to be in a large number to conduct the operation successfully. The Super Puma, MI-17 and the helicopters transferred from the presidential air fleet can do the transport work.

Dropping the guys won't be an issue.

We don't have enough lift helicopters for an air assault. Besides, SF teams as used by big militaries in the scenario you've just described are used mainly as Forward Air Controllers.

bidex111:

Presuming he knows the distinction in the terminology, I'm still waiting for more details.
Mind you, at this stage of Nigerian SF evolution, I agree with his characterisation.

frumentius:


Presuming he knows the distinction in the terminology, I'm still waiting for more details.

Okay...

bidex111:

From what we can see, only the SBS is close to what we can describe as a strategic asset. It's not a bad thing, threats determine operational requirements.

Units like the AFSF are the tip of the spear. Of course they can carry out HVT Kill or Capture, but that unit is primarily a very specialized infantry unit. Same as the Regiment from the Air Force. Only the SBS feels like a Navy Seal or SAS type unit.

frumentius:


Presuming he knows the distinction in the terminology, I'm still waiting for more details.
Mind you, at this stage of Nigerian SF evolution, I agree with his characterisation.

Common sense which seems to constantly elude you should tell you even without asking that Nigerian special units are more fashioned operationally like the Rangers or at best MARSOC.

You claim to be in the military, no?

I believe you've also followed the Nigerian conflict, what does the AFSF which is Nigeria's premier COIN unit operate as?

Henry240:

From what we can see, only the SBS is close to what we can describe as a strategic asset. It's not a bad thing, threats determine operational requirements.

Units like the AFSF are the tip of the spear. Of course they can carry out HVT Kill or Capture, but that unit is primarily a very specialized infantry unit. Same as the Regiment from the Air Force. Only the SBS feels like a Navy Seal or SAS type unit.

Twice now I have to agree with you! To an extent. NNSBS is close, but not yet a strategic asset. Not the unit's fault, but due to the limitations of the NN.

Henry240:

Common sense which seems to constantly elude you should tell you even without asking that Nigerian special units are more fashioned operationally like the Rangers or at best MARSOC.

You claim to be in the military, no?

I believe you've also followed the Nigerian conflict, what does the AFSF which is Nigeria's premier COIN unit operate as?

There, feel better now?

bidex111:


True yarn mate......

Nah our job....we never just reach to formulate policies and determine acquisition.....

Henry240:

From what we can see, only the SBS is close to what we can describe as a strategic asset. It's not a bad thing, threats determine operational requirements.

Units like the AFSF are the tip of the spear. Of course they can carry out HVT Kill or Capture, but that unit is primarily a very specialized infantry unit. Same as the Regiment from the Air Force. Only the SBS feels like a Navy Seal or SAS type unit.

I think the Airforce Regt guys are working their way towards SBS standard.....but sbs is still higher in skill sets. Coming from a guy that drinks eat and plays with sbs and AFSF .

Henry240:

From what we can see, only the SBS is close to what we can describe as a strategic asset. It's not a bad thing, threats determine operational requirements.

Units like the AFSF are the tip of the spear. Of course they can carry out HVT Kill or Capture, but that unit is primarily a very specialized infantry unit. Same as the Regiment from the Air Force. Only the SBS feels like a Navy Seal or SAS type unit.

The NNSBSC are the best SF assets we've got, yes I agree with that. We shouldn't forget that the defense HQ selected the best from Navy, Army, Airforce SF even the Police fore where not excempted from the training in North East-Europe.

Calling the AFSF a specialized infantry unit will be a total bad comparison way out of line

These guys are better equipped, trained and given tough task against a deadly terrorist sect.

bidex111:



The NNSBSC are the best SF assets we've got, yes I agree with that. We shouldn't forget that the defense HQ selected the best from Navy, Army, Airforce SF even the Police fore where not excempted from the training in North East-Europe.

Calling the AFSF a specialized infantry unit will be a total comparison that those fit into what his reality.

These guys are better equipped, trained and given tough task against a deadly terrorist sect.

Operations.

bidex111:



The NNSBSC are the best SF assets we've got, yes I agree with that. We shouldn't forget that the defense HQ selected the best from Navy, Army, Airforce SF even the Police fore where not excempted from the training in North East-Europe.

Calling the AFSF a specialized infantry unit will be a total bad comparison way out of line

These guys are better equipped, trained and given tough task against a deadly terrorist sect.

Afsf is our ranger

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Stephandeswardt:






Afsf is our ranger

Rangers......?


So even if they are Rangers according to your own description. You think Rangers are just ordinary infantry or foot soldiers.

Well they are not.

Henry240:

Operations.

You want to know about there operations.

bidex111:



Rangers......?


So even if they are Rangers according to your own description. You think Rangers are just ordinary infantry or foot soldiers.

Well they are not.

Regular infantry, trained to a higher degree and kitted to a higher degree than basic infantry.

Stephandeswardt:




Regular infantry, trained to a higher degree and kitted to a higher degree than basic infantry.

So that even describe the United States army rangers...

His that what you are saying

bidex111:



You want to know about there operations.

From open source information, i know all there is to know of the AFSF.

I'm saying they are a special forces unit, but not a unit like the SEALs or SAS. They are more like the Golden Dawn Division in Iraq, the 2nd Commando from Australia, Rangers or MARSOC from America.

bidex111:


So that even describe the United States army rangers...

His that what you are saying

Thats exactly what the usa army ranger is

Henry240:

From open source information, i know all there is to know of the AFSF.

I'm saying they are a special forces unit, but not a unit like the SEALs or SAS. They are more like the Golden Dawn Division in Iraq, the 2nd Commando from Australia, Rangers or MARSOC from America.

Whit these description of yours I think I agree with your definition of a dedicated elite unit like the SAS, SEAL TEAM & the SPETNAZ.

Why would you compare the rangers with MARSOC..? The United States military Armagh are the Army, MARSOC, Navy, Airforce and the Coast Guard, while the rangers his an elite force of the United States Army.

Stephandeswardt:



Thats exactly what the usa army ranger is

Please quickly do a research on the United States army RANGERS if it's an elite unit/ SF or even best SF units in the world.

You might change your opinion.

Henry240:

From open source information, i know all there is to know of the AFSF.

I'm saying they are a special forces unit, but not a unit like the SEALs or SAS. They are more like the Golden Dawn Division in Iraq, the 2nd Commando from Australia, Rangers or MARSOC from America.

they are basically equivalent to British parachute regiment

newafricaken254:
they are basically equivalent to British parachute regiment

Really, please do a little bit of research.....

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bidex111:



Really, please do a little bit of research.....

you need to understand that the US armed forces is the most powerful forces in the world funded by the richest country in the world.so they have the luxury to have different elite specialist regiments or units and most of them carrying out almost similar mission.if US military wanted to airlift a whole battalion of rangers,it can because it can afford it.how many countries have enough helicopters to airlift a battalion and willing to loose several of those helicopters to enemy fire !?

frumentius:

Twice now I have to agree with you! To an extent. NNSBS is close, but not yet a strategic asset. Not the unit's fault, but due to the limitations of the NN.

You know, this came up in a conversation with a buddy of mine.
NNSBS in its founding objectives is a strategic asset to the navy and a larger extent the DHQ (I don't need to remind you the throes in our Niger Delta 13yrs back)
Now, the Army in what I might call an afterthought decided to spring up its own special forces (in the process jumping some ground/foundation work) by converting an existing Bn to a SF unit. As at the time this was done there was no aim,objective,doctrine heck even a selection course. All the brass then needed was a handful of men that could use little resources to get enough result to make them look good

Now,the uplooking news is that the Army has been pruning its rationale for having a special command & I reckon as time wears on they'd finally decide want they want & how they want it (just like how Proforce ARA first came out & now when it has been pruned )

Stephandeswardt:




Regular infantry, trained to a higher degree and kitted to a higher degree than basic infantry.

Think this thing through baba
First, how do they recruit/select
What type of missions do they undertake

So if AFSF is Ranger, what is the Army Strike Group? Light Infantry? come on now!
We need to stop all these Hollywood classifications

I don't know why someone will call a unit that spends days in the field in lie up positions, hunting & killing would be compared to a unit used for straight raids(Direct action) & the likes

Stephandeswardt:



I think the Airforce Regt guys are working their way towards SBS standard.....but sbs is still higher in skill sets. Coming from a guy that drinks eat and plays with sbs and AFSF .

Let's not get ahead of ourselves
What role are the NAF Regt guys filling?
Ans; Static Base and Outer Perimeter Security. They are not rangers or whatsoever, they are a job specific infantry group. Example is RAF Regt. RNZAF Air Defence Guards.

NAF itself has a SF unit which they have seized every opportunity to publicize (God knows if they sprung from QRF) and I think these are the ones you claim are "working their way towards SBS standard"

You see folks the first thing the remaining service arm seem to put second is WHAT ARE WE BUILDING THIS TEAM FOR
Units are created to add a flavor into the Spec ops pot of soup .
It is only when a unit is diligent in its Founding mission we can then say they have one standard or the other.
Example; LRRP of Sri Lanka, Recces of RSA. They didn't earn a reputation by wearing fanciful webbings & tricked out Rifles...no,they became masters in the niche they were created for

frumentius:

Twice now I have to agree with you! To an extent. NNSBS is close, but not yet a strategic asset. Not the unit's fault, but due to the limitations of the NN.

The Nigerian Navy Special Boat Service (NNSBS) is one of Nigeria's strategic options in military operations. It is a strategic asset. It is not close as you opine but the deal.

The Unit sees no limitations and has no limitations. You don't get that NNSBS badge with limitations. As we speak the NNSBS has covert footprints all over West Africa. They don't tell you what they do.

bidex111:



The NNSBSC are the best SF assets we've got, yes I agree with that. We shouldn't forget that the defense HQ selected the best from Navy, Army, Airforce SF even the Police fore where not excempted from the training in North East-Europe.

Calling the AFSF a specialized infantry unit will be a total bad comparison way out of line

These guys are better equipped, trained and given tough task against a deadly terrorist sect.

The AFSF is not a specialized infantry unit nor the NAF' special forces regiment. It is more. The AFSF is more like your varying degrees of capabilities within the Spetsnaz and has proven more effective than most US trained Green Berets type teams under comparable circumstances if not worse. The NAF Regiment comes with a high skill set more than your average Special Forces and is presently a strategic asset to the Armed forces and gearing towards SAS type capability to rival the SBS primarily in Air & Land Ops.

We already have ranger type like teams in the 72nd Mobile Strike Force and other such elements that already existed even the now Bike Battalion. That these nomenclatures like the Rangers or 82nd Airborne or the like exist elsewhere doesn't make them an exceptional skill set just that they are seen and given vent in popular culture—such competencies exist even in countries with less popular acclaim.

Henry240:

We don't have enough lift helicopters for an air assault. Besides, SF teams as used by big militaries in the scenario you've just described are used mainly as Forward Air Controllers.

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