Ronpet777:



U r worse than an Atheist. Stop ur delusional tactics of calling urself a Christian. U r not at all. In fact, wot u preach is a sin against the Holy Spirit. How can u say there won't be a rapture? To u this is paradise?

U r far worse than a Satanist and ur doctrine is Heresy stricken.

Ronpet777:



U r worse than an Atheist. Stop ur delusional tactics of calling urself a Christian. U r not at all. In fact, wot u preach is a sin against the Holy Spirit. How can u say there won't be a rapture? To u this is paradise?

U r far worse than a Satanist and ur doctrine is Heresy stricken.

paxonel:

there is no rapture here. It is simply saying that there is resurrection of the dead(if you understand it from 1 cor 15:35 down). Meaning, just like he resurrected, Christ will come and resurrect us the day we die, not rapture.

paxonel:

still saying the same thing, but this time, a parable is used and this the meaning of the parable.
the clouds or the air mentioned here signifies heaven.

paxonel:

Now what is heaven?
Heaven is simply God's kingdom on earth.

paxonel:

That simply means our resurrection is here on earth.

paxonel:

We will be resurrected, our body will be changed (see I cor 15) to continue lives on in this earth.
We ain't go nowhere.

paxonel:

The bottom-line is,
Adam and eve commited sin and lost their eternal life on this earth.
Jesus has resurrected to restore that eternal life lost by Adam on this earth.
We are living that eternal life right now.
Heaven is now with us
We are the heaven on earth
no death for us. Death has been defeated.

paxonel:

We are living our lives on this earth to fulfill the original mandate God gave to Adam and eve. Be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth.

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And whether you like it or not we are already doing it, travel abroad you will see how white men are developing their world.

paxonel:

Africans should follow suit and stop hoping for rapture that is never scriptural.
Rapture was the hope missionaries gave Africans, they themselves they don't believe in it.

Anas09:

Rapture which is a Latin word means Caught up in English

paxonel:


You sound so ridiculous

Go back to your English dictionary(not Latin dictionary o) you will surely see the word rapture, then come back and tell me the meaning

This is how you keep deceiving yourselves that rapture is a Latin word.
If it's a Latin word, what is it doing in English dictionary?

Una mumu eh.

Anas09:

Did these missionaries write my Bible?

lol. Guy, whatever or whoever you are listening to is lying to you.

The Scripture is alive, if it doesn't speak to you then you must be dead to dead.

Wake up you sleeper and Jesus shall shine on you

paxonel:
I'm not saying that missionaries wrote bible.
I'm saying that it is in record that most missionaries who came to Africa to do missionary work were never educated people who understood bible.
They were mostly touts in the streets of London whose verdicts for their offenses in London by the judge, was for them to be abandoned in Africa to do missionary work.

In the process of doing missionary work in Africa, they were mandated to submit reports of their missionary success in Africa to the queen in order for them to regain their freedom.
And when they saw that there was no correlation between African beliefs with true bible teachings, they were left with no option but to twist the bible to suit African beliefs of fictious ritualism and juju and immediate wonders so that Africans can quickly accept christianity quickly as possible.
And thanks to their luck, the fake rapture doctrine has already been developed a long time ago by ignorant theologists of the ancient Roman empire, which can be used for this purpose of missionarism.

You people in Africa don't read history at all, you are just practicing christianity blindly.

jiggaz:
Hello

paxonel:
don't take this world as your heaven first, you go suffer eh.


You think this is time for ignorance?

Ronpet777:



U r worse than an Atheist. Stop ur delusional tactics of calling urself a Christian. U r not at all. In fact, wot u preach is a sin against the Holy Spirit. How can u say there won't be a rapture? To u this is paradise?

U r far worse than a Satanist and ur doctrine is Heresy stricken.

Anas09:

Lol. Calm down. Attacking me won't change anything.

Did you remember i told you to deal with the content and not the language used in conveying the content.

WHAT IS THE CONTENT? What is the message here? The message is a promise made to believers. Shd it then be the language which that promise is made or the promise itself?

And, if you as a Christian depends on an English Dictionary for the definition of Terms to Spiritual (Biblical} concepts then you'd have a problem.

The Bible in our hands is originally translated from Hebrew, Greek and, Latin. This is why our definition of terms is not according to the English Dictionary but back to the original meanings from the language from which the terms were lifted from. That said.

Pls tell me what 'Caught up' means in the original language from which that term was written.

stableprice:
The Glorious awaited centuries rapture Already occoured

The concept of rapture is only an illusion or idea to establish fear in the minds of the people's

simply put. this world must teach the Peoples in the presence of fear.

I didn't tell you o

Anas09:

You didn't say anything.

What i have in my hands now is a Bible not the Life History of the Missionaries. What i quoted here was not written by the missionaries.

And whoever gave you your own version of History did a good job. Well, the missionaries i knew or read about were Teachers, Doctors, Nurses etc. But if the JW Missionaries were touts in the streets of London, that's good for them.

When you can point to me their contributions which perverted the Bible in my hands, let me know, but till then, PLS CAN WE DISCUSS the BIBLE and not missionaries?

paxonel:
you know what your problem is?
You are busy trying to get the meaning of the phrase caught up by depending on the Latin meaning without reading and summarizing the whole chapter wholistically to see if they truly correlate.

Nothing is hidden under the sun that it will not be revealed clearly.

Let's assume the phase caught up means carried away or rapture according to you, there is no correlation with the summary of the whole chapter with carried away.

I mentioned that the summary of what the writter in 1 the 4:16 is trying to tell us is that, there is resurrection of the dead if you relate it to 1 cor 15.

Basically, they are saying the same thing

1 cor 15:35.But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

If you continue to read it towards the end of the chapter, it described how resurrection takes place

that our body will be changed and we will be given new body the day we resurect after we die.

That there are several kinds of bodies created by God including celestial bodies.

Then, towards the end, it came up with a parable in verse 51 down.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed
(meaning, our body will be changed)

52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye
(twinkling of the eye means death. That is,eyes close when we die. , it has been talking about resurrection of the dead since, so it is never out of context)

at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound
( the trumpet signifies death as well. It's like the end of our lives like God or angels using trumpet to call the individual, your time has reach to die)

In those days, trumpet was used to call and gather people for battle, so understand why trumpet is used here.

And the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

It's very simple to understand if you read from the beginning and think.
There is absolutely nothing rapture here, but rather, the summary is that there is resurrection of the dead.

Now, if relate this to that 1 the 4:16, it's still talking about the same thing RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.
It repeated it.
Only that there is CAUGHT UP in the air and i told that it's a parable and there is nothing rapture there.

Caught up in the air simply means heaven.

If you say it means a Latin word known as rapture then how does it correlate with the resurrection of the dead?
How will you now relate it to the fact that we have already been translated to heaven through Christ resurrection? Collosians 1:13
Are you saying we are in heaven now at the same time we are still waiting to go to heaven by rapture?
That when Christ said on the cross it is finish he was joking?
That his resurrection is not powerful enough to give us heaven here on earth?
That it is one future rapture which is powerful than Christ that will come and give us heaven in the mysteries?

Seriously, you people must be joking

paxonel:
there is no rapture here. It is simply saying that there is resurrection of the dead(if you understand it from 1 cor 15:35 down). Meaning, just like he resurrected, Christ will come and resurrect us the day we die, not rapture.
still saying the same thing, but this time, a parable is used and this the meaning of the parable.
the clouds or the air mentioned here signifies heaven.
Now what is heaven?
Heaven is simply God's kingdom on earth.
That simply means our resurrection is here on earth.
We will be resurrected, our body will be changed (see I cor 15) to continue lives on in this earth.
We ain't go nowhere.

The bottom-line is,
Adam and eve commited sin and lost their eternal life on this earth.
Jesus has resurrected to restore that eternal life lost by Adam on this earth.
We are living that eternal life right now.
Heaven is now with us
We are the heaven on earth
no death for us. Death has been defeated.

We are living our lives on this earth to fulfill the original mandate God gave to Adam and eve. Be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth.

And whether you like it or not we are already doing it, travel abroad you will see how white men are developing their world.
Africans should follow suit and stop hoping for rapture that is never scriptural.
Rapture was the hope missionaries gave Africans, they themselves they don't believe in it.

denisbid:

So, you are saying that there is no rapture, and that we are already living in heaven.
Is this miserable life on earth looks like heaven to you?

Ronpet777:


With no iota of doubt in me, u r completely lost sir. Nothing more can withdraw u from ur road to perdition. We won't stop praying for u anyway!

paxonel:
don't be deceived, people live miserably too in heaven.
Heaven is not a bed of roses as religion has made us to believe.

You remember the parable of the sower and the reaper? All that happened in heaven.
Christ started the parable by saying the kingdom of God is like unto...
So he saying what will happen in heaven.

In heaven if you don't sow, you will not reap and you will so suffer eh

This is exactly what is happening on earth, so i can boldly say that heaven is here with us on earth according to Colossians 1:13

denisbid:
have you ever seen or heard anyone died and resurrected and continue life on this earth?
If there is any resurrection now, those who were resurrected, you can never see them again because they have been carried away.

paxonel:
what you are saying is that, rapture has occured already, against the belief that it will happen in the nearest future?

denisbid:
no,
I'm saying that because you have never seen or heard any dead person resurrected and start walking again, it shows that those who will be resurrected at rapture, they will not be seen by humans remaining on earth, they will be carried away

paxonel:
anyway! This is how the scriptures comprehensively describe resurrection.

1 Cor15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36.Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37. And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

This scripture is simply saying that, just like a seed planted on this earth germinates to become a different body known as a plant(the plant does not look like the seed previously planted), that's how our body will be changed when we resurrect.

We will so change that no one will recognize us when we come back on this earth the second time.

Now how do we come back?

We come back through birth


1 Tim2:15 says Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Eve commited the sin that brought about sinfulness in this world.
The same eve is saved through childbearing so we are all saved through childbearing.

What that means is that, when we are coming back we will be given a new body as a new born baby in the womb of another woman who is a christian and not a woman of any other religion.

Whosever be in Christ (a christian) is a new creature(new born baby).
Old things have passed away (meaning that his previous life as adult where he was a sinner and the consequences of sins have passed away, he is totally free from them. therefore death is beneficial to the christian) .

And to prove that when we are coming back, we will go into the womb of a christian mother.

Rom 6:8 says Now if we be dead with Christ(die as a christian not as a muslim or any other religion) we believe that we shall also live with him(come back to be christians)

And the only way we can come back as a christian is to be born into a christian home and be brought up from childhood by christian parents and not parents from any other religion.

Do you see the sense behind this whole thing?
It sound so realistic unlike rapture which sound unrealistic.

My prayer is God should open our eyes to see good things

paxonel:
look at this one
You think I'm JW?
another confused set of people?

The question you should be asking is, why are people like JW reading bible and they are seeing certain things different from yours, even though they cannot explain accurately?

It means there are so lot that Africans are neglecting in the bible.
That's why christianity in Africa is already a mess.

The standard of education in Africa is nothing to write home about, how will they possibly understand the bible and live a better or improved life?

My interest here is, Africans should read wide and change their mind set and live better.

That's all

You will not practice christianity and go and die

denisbid:
all what you have said, you are equally saying that every christian child that is born had once lived and died?

solite3:
What you said is nothing but the truth. The age of the gentiles is getting to a close as prophesied by Daniel
The fulfillment of israel's prophecy, the increase Abominable sins like gay, transgender, bisexual etc increase of sins generally, increase of satanism and satanic activities, attempts to change God's other ( humanism, feminism and such like), sudden show of nuclear strength, growth of false religion and their tending to one religion, money and finances is now more concentrated in the hands of few, dumb founding of the world people etc all these and more is a strong sign that our Joy is coming.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Ronpet777:



U r worse than an Atheist. Stop ur delusional tactics of calling urself a Christian. U r not at all. In fact, wot u preach is a sin against the Holy Spirit. How can u say there won't be a rapture? To u this is paradise?

U r far worse than a Satanist and ur doctrine is Heresy stricken.

JhyMedex:


Lol..Y so angry?..