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|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 10:44am On May 06, 2018|
Ronpet777:don't take this world as your heaven first, you go suffer eh.
You think this is time for ignorance?
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 10:46am On May 06, 2018|
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Nobody: 1:11pm On May 06, 2018|
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|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Anas09: 4:13pm On May 06, 2018|
paxonel:I see your dilemma. You are looking to see the Latin Word Rapture in the Bible. lol. No sir, You'd see Caught up, which means Rapture in Latin.
Let us discuss the content or meaning of the terms not the language used in conveying the terms.
If you don't believe we shall be Caught up, it means you don't believe in 1Thess 4, because that passage says it is the voice of the Archangel that we shall hear, not Jesus coming by Himself personally to resurrect us.
There shall be a trumpet which shall rouse us up from our graves, causing those who will be alive to receive a new body and be 'caught up' to meet with Lord who will be waiting for us in the cloud.
1Cor15:36-38 tells us about the NEW BODY WE SHALL RECEIVE AT RESURRECTION, an Heavenly body not the present body as no flesh and body cannot enter into the Kingdom of God 1Cor 15:50. It has nothing to do with HOW we will resurrect.
Rapture which is a Latin word means Caught up in English, it talks about HOW, we shall resurrect. And it's only the Saints that shall be caught up to the Marriage supper with the Groom of the Church. Not everyone.
paxonel:You seem to want to read your own thoughts into this as the Bible or Apostle Paul never said he was telling a parable.
paxonel:Yes, Heaven means God's Kingdom here on Earth, but that is not all. There are two Kingdoms of God.
1. The Kingdom of God in Essence.
2. The Kingdom of God in Manifestation.
The Kingdom of God in Essence means the kingship, the Reign, the Sovereignty or ruling activity of God. It is the expression of God's nature in action. This refers not only to God's nature but it encompasses people who are residents of this realm. This can also be viewed in terms of it inclusive universal operations in the local visible body called the CHURCH. The Spiritual body of true believers who put themselves under the authority of our Heavenly father.
We hear the voice of Jesus in Isa 65:17-25 declaring what shall happen in this kingdom. And, in the New Testament we see him preaching about this kingdom in;
Matt4:17, Matt 4:24. Matt 9:35. Matt. 10:7. Matt 12:28, Matt 13:11 and many more. These talks about the power of God walking in the Church and through his chosen vessels.
The Kingdom of God in Manifestation is where the Throne of Jehovah is, and in this, no flesh and blood can access. To access this realm we must accept the new nature Christ is offering now. that Nature comes with a new body spoken of by Apst Paul in 1 Cor. 15:35-38. and verse 50.
This is the Kingdom The Master asked his followers Seek it's manifestation or operations visibly on earth when He taught us how to pray in Matt 6:33.
Thy Kingdom Come, they will be done as it is done in Heaven=====, what does that mean? This means that There's a Kingdom where God is but wants to extend it (It's operations) to earth. How are things done in that Kingdom? What is His will? the answer is Isa 65.
The Kingdom of God in Manifestation is spoken of by the Master in John 14-1-3
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
This ^^^^ is the Kingdom of God Paul talked about in 1Thess 4:17.
paxonel:That will be for the sinners not the saints. For the saints have a marriage supper of the Lamb to attend. And for that to happen, we shall all be changed as spoken by the Apst Paul in 1 Cor. 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
I hope you realize that the first resurrection which is to be caught up or the Latin word Rapture does not involve everyone on earth? The first resurrection will be the Church being harvested Outa hia while those who don't believe in that nonsense stays back to enjoy their Antichrist.
paxonel:Why do you need a new body if it is this very earth you're going to be? Think, brother, think.
We need body because we shall be going where this physical body can not access. 1Cor15:50.
But, the Kingdom of God in Manifestation awaits us.
paxonel:Very correct, eternal life for a believer begins here on earth because the death spoken about is not the death of the flesh but of the spirit and we are alive in the spirit by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
And, about you living here on this earth, you'd have a hard time reconciling this verses with what obtains right now on this earth.
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.. In the world Jesus is talking about, (The Kingdom of God in manifestation), there shall no Sea or any larger water body.
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
I can't see a throne of God where a River of Life is flowing from on this earth sir.
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Pls note, 'There shall be no more night there", because, this same Bible says that 'as long as this earth remains, night and day shall not cease. Time and Season shall not fail. If you are going to be living on this earth, then you won't be living in eternity, you will counting TIME. For, the earth is ruled by TIME AND SEASONS.
BUT, THE LORD SAYS, "This earth, the sky and everything that is now, shall be rolled away like a mat". Rev.6:14.
Good luck living on this earth.
paxonel:The Church is fulfilling that mandate now. Albeit a small fraction because of unbelief and disobedience to the Principles of that Kingdom, but we are living it now. The Kingdom of God in Essence is in Operation as we speak just like the Government of the Antichrist is also operational as we speak.
Just like there shall be the Manifestation of the Person and the Kingdom of Satan, so also YWHW.
Did these missionaries write my Bible?
lol. Guy, whatever or whoever you are listening to is lying to you.
The Scripture is alive, if it doesn't speak to you then you must be dead to it
Wake up you sleeper and Jesus shall shine on you.
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by jiggaz(m): 7:46pm On May 06, 2018|
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 7:57pm On May 06, 2018|
You sound so ridiculous
Go back to your English dictionary(not Latin dictionary o) you will surely see the word rapture, then come back and tell me the meaning
This is how you keep deceiving yourselves that rapture is a Latin word.
If it's a Latin word, what is it doing in English dictionary?
Una mumu eh.
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Anas09: 8:19pm On May 06, 2018|
paxonel:Lol. Calm down. Attacking me won't change anything.
Did you remember i told you to deal with the content and not the language used in conveying the content.
WHAT IS THE CONTENT? What is the message here? The message is a promise made to believers. Shd it then be the language which that promise is made or the promise itself?
And, if you as a Christian depends on an English Dictionary for the definition of Terms to Spiritual (Biblical} concepts then you'd have a problem.
The Bible in our hands is originally translated from Hebrew, Greek and, Latin. This is why our definition of terms is not according to the English Dictionary but back to the original meanings from the language from which the terms were lifted from. That said.
Pls tell me what 'Caught up' means in the original language from which that term was written.
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 8:24pm On May 06, 2018|
Anas09:I'm not saying that missionaries wrote bible.
I'm saying that it is in record that most missionaries who came to Africa to do missionary work were never educated people who understood bible.
They were mostly touts in the streets of London whose verdicts for their offenses in London by the judge, was for them to be abandoned in Africa to do missionary work.
In the process of doing missionary work in Africa, they were mandated to submit reports of their missionary success in Africa to the queen in order for them to regain their freedom.
And when they saw that there was no correlation between African beliefs with true bible teachings, they were left with no option but to twist the bible to suit African beliefs of fictious ritualism and juju and immediate wonders so that Africans can quickly accept christianity quickly as possible.
And thanks to their luck, the fake rapture doctrine has already been developed a long time ago by ignorant theologists of the ancient Roman empire, which can be used for this purpose of missionarism.
You people in Africa don't read history at all, you are just practicing christianity blindly.
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|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Anas09: 8:35pm On May 06, 2018|
paxonel:You didn't say anything.
What i have in my hands now is a Bible not the Life History of the Missionaries. What i quoted here was not written by the missionaries.
And whoever gave you your own version of History did a good job. Well, the missionaries i knew or read about were Teachers, Doctors, Nurses etc. But if the JW Missionaries were touts in the streets of London, that's good for them.
When you can point to me their contributions which perverted the Bible in my hands, let me know, but till then, PLS CAN WE DISCUSS the BIBLE and not missionaries?
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Anas09: 8:38pm On May 06, 2018|
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|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Anas09: 8:42pm On May 06, 2018|
paxonel:You are the ignorant one here.
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Anas09: 8:44pm On May 06, 2018|
Ronpet777:Leave that one. He is JW closet atheist. Time shall tell.
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by stableprice: 9:35pm On May 06, 2018|
The Glorious awaited centuries rapture Already occoured
The concept of rapture is only an illusion or idea to establish fear & unworthiness in the minds of the people's
simply put. this world must teach the Peoples in the presence of fear.
Who told you
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 9:40pm On May 06, 2018|
Anas09:you know what your problem is?
You are busy trying to get the meaning of the phrase caught up by depending on the Latin meaning without reading and summarizing the whole chapter wholistically to see if they truly correlate.
Nothing is hidden under the sun that it will not be revealed clearly.
Let's assume the phase caught up means carried away or rapture according to you, there is no correlation with the summary of the whole chapter with carried away.
I mentioned that the summary of what the writter in 1 the 4:16 is trying to tell us is that, there is resurrection of the dead if you relate it to 1 cor 15.
Basically, they are saying the same thing
1 cor 15:35.But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
If you continue to read it towards the end of the chapter, it described how resurrection takes place
that our body will be changed and we will be given new body the day we resurect after we die.
That there are several kinds of bodies created by God including celestial bodies.
Then, towards the end, it came up with a parable in verse 51 down.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed
(meaning, our body will be changed)
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye
(twinkling of the eye means death. That is,eyes close when we die. , it has been talking about resurrection of the dead since, so it is never out of context)
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound
( the trumpet signifies death as well. It's like the end of our lives like God or angels using trumpet to call the individual, your time has reach to die)
In those days, trumpet was used to call and gather people for battle, so understand why trumpet is used here.
And the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed
It's very simple to understand if you read from the beginning and think.
There is absolutely nothing rapture here, but rather, the summary is that there is resurrection of the dead.
Now, if relate this to that 1 the 4:16, it's still talking about the same thing RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.
It repeated it.
Only that there is CAUGHT UP in the air and i told that it's a parable and there is nothing rapture there.
Caught up in the air simply means heaven.
If you say it means a Latin word known as rapture then how does it correlate with the resurrection of the dead?
How will you now relate it to the fact that we have already been translated to heaven through Christ resurrection? Collosians 1:13
Are you saying we are in heaven now at the same time we are still waiting to go to heaven by rapture?
That when Christ said on the cross it is finish he was joking?
That his resurrection is not powerful enough to give us heaven here on earth?
That it is one future rapture which is powerful than Christ that will come and give us heaven in the mysteries?
Seriously, you people must be joking
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Emmanystone: 9:41pm On May 06, 2018|
stableprice:What have you now said?
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 9:54pm On May 06, 2018|
Anas09:look at this one
You think I'm JW?
another confused set of people?
The question you should be asking is, why are people like JW reading bible and they are seeing certain things different from yours, even though they cannot explain accurately?
It means there are so lot that Africans are neglecting in the bible.
That's why christianity in Africa is already a mess.
The standard of education in Africa is nothing to write home about, how will they possibly understand the bible and live a better or improved life?
My interest here is, Africans should read wide and change their mind set and live better.
You will not practice christianity and go and die
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by denisbid: 7:39am On May 07, 2018|
paxonel:So, you are saying that there is no rapture, and that we are already living in heaven.
Is this miserable life on earth looks like heaven to you?
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Ronpet777(m): 8:12am On May 07, 2018|
With no iota of doubt in me, u r completely lost sir. Nothing more can withdraw u from ur road to perdition. We won't stop praying for u anyway!
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 9:21am On May 07, 2018|
denisbid:don't be deceived, people live miserably too in heaven.
Heaven is not a bed of roses as religion has made us to believe.
You remember the parable of the sower and the reaper? All that happened in heaven.
Christ started the parable by saying the kingdom of God is like unto...
So he saying what will happen in heaven.
In heaven if you don't sow, you will not reap and you will so suffer eh
This is exactly what is happening on earth, so i can boldly say that heaven is here with us on earth according to Colossians 1:13
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 9:30am On May 07, 2018|
Ronpet777:I have heard non christians on nairaland saying when christians are losing argument, they will resolve to threats and decline giving reasonable points to back up their claims.
That's what you are doing now
But Christ did not do it that way.
He had every answers to every questions not as confused as you people
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by denisbid: 9:49am On May 07, 2018|
paxonel:have you ever seen or heard anyone died and resurrected and continue life on this earth?
If there is any resurrection now, those who were resurrected, you can never see them again because they have been carried away.
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 9:52am On May 07, 2018|
denisbid:what you are saying is that, rapture has occured already, against the belief that it will happen in the nearest future?
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by denisbid: 9:59am On May 07, 2018|
I'm saying that because you have never seen or heard any dead person resurrected and start walking again, it shows that those who will be resurrected at rapture, they will not be seen by humans remaining on earth, they will be carried away
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 1:13pm On May 07, 2018|
denisbid:anyway! This is how the scriptures comprehensively describe resurrection.
1 Cor15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36.Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37. And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
This scripture is simply saying that, just like a seed planted on this earth germinates to become a different body known as a plant(the plant does not look like the seed previously planted), that's how our body will be changed when we resurrect.
We will so change that no one will recognize us when we come back on this earth the second time.
Now how do we come back?
We come back through birth
1 Tim2:15 says Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Eve commited the sin that brought about sinfulness in this world.
The same eve is saved through childbearing so we are all saved through childbearing.
What that means is that, when we are coming back we will be given a new body as a new born baby in the womb of another woman who is a christian and not a woman of any other religion.
Whosever be in Christ (a christian) is a new creature(new born baby).
Old things have passed away (meaning that his previous life as adult where he was a sinner and the consequences of sins have passed away, he is totally free from them. therefore death is beneficial to the christian) .
And to prove that when we are coming back, we will go into the womb of a christian mother.
Rom 6:8 says Now if we be dead with Christ(die as a christian not as a muslim or any other religion) we believe that we shall also live with him(come back to be christians)
And the only way we can come back as a christian is to be born into a christian home and be brought up from childhood by christian parents and not parents from any other religion.
Do you see the sense behind this whole thing?
It sound so realistic unlike rapture which sound unrealistic.
My prayer is God should open our eyes to see good things
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|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by denisbid: 1:20pm On May 07, 2018|
paxonel:all what you have said, you are equally saying that every christian child that is born had once lived and died?
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Anas09: 2:40pm On May 07, 2018|
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by paxonel(m): 2:41pm On May 07, 2018|
denisbid:that is exactly the point I'm marking.
They not lived once but they lived and died several times which is continuous process forever, therefore God's kingdom on this earth is forever, it has no end.
Paul says in Cor 15:31, I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I DIE DAILY .
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by johnw47: 1:47am On May 08, 2018|
(1Co 15:51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(1Co 15:52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(1Co 15:53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
(1Th 4:14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
(1Th 4:15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(1Th 4:16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
also regarding Jesus:
Jesus in the flesh is the Son of God,
notice in verse 14 above, Jesus in the Spirit is God
those raptured are caught up to Heaven:
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
the place Jesus has prepared for the saints caught up to Him, is in the Fathers house:
Joh_14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by solite3(m): 2:18am On May 08, 2018|
What you said is nothing but the truth. The age of the gentiles is getting to a close as prophesied by Daniel
The fulfillment of israel's prophecy, the increase Abominable sins like gay, transgender, bisexual etc increase of sins generally, increase of satanism and satanic activities, attempts to change God's other ( humanism, feminism and such like), sudden show of nuclear strength, growth of false religion and their tending to one religion, money and finances is now more concentrated in the hands of few, dumb founding of the world people etc all these and more is a strong sign that our Joy is coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by jiggaz(m): 10:25am On May 08, 2018|
solite3:Thank you my brother....
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by JhyMedex: 12:20pm On May 08, 2018|
Lol..Y so angry?..
|Re: The Rapture Will Happen Very Soon!!! by Ronpet777(m): 7:53pm On May 08, 2018|
I won't be if he comes out as an atheist or Satanist. But to call himself a Christian is simply preposterous!
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