TheEminentLaity:


Like evolution, is a very slow process, virtually unobservable in a 100 lifetimes, the formation of stars cannot be observed rather at different points during its formation. I talk about stars because atoms are the links between living and non-living things and they come from the stars.

I appreciate u taking ur tym to explain...Im gon go read up on d big bang and d origin of life..

One more question tho..u said its a very slow process..if stars r formed dt means they whr formed frm sth..Who/what den formed wateva it was dt makes stars..

That's whr i believe a creator comes in..dt entity dt set d ball rolling in d first place...

Maybe, but personally I don't make initial assumptions that there was/is a creator(s) before learning what is already known as fact. Besides, it's only people with a religious background that would first make such assumption that a creator initiated the beginning. What we know for certain is that the universe had a beginning and the Big Bang was postulated without initial assumptions of god(s) or creator(s).

The religious will first say He (how they know it's male ), then He created man like him, and the world in 7 days etc. The more you explain the world and universe to them, the more they employ mental gymnastics to the point where when scientists say 'we don't know for sure...' then they say 'aha that's God' ... so I agree with DeGrasse Tyson that said "God is the ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance" ie. the more ignorant one is, the bigger and greater their god.

The universe is about 98% space and earth is even insignificant in the grand scheme, talk less of humans. There is so much disorder, 'errors', organisms that exist just to destroy others etc etc that the notion of intelligent design is another big joke. But as ignorance goes, it looks perfect and well scripted for humans that it must be a creator who sculptured it to his taste.

I'm an atheist because there is really nothing that I know and see about the universe, the world, and life that indicates that there is a god or gods. I do not reject the possibility, but even if there was it/she/he/them certainly isn't intelligent and as super as it's percieved to be. Why then is it god?

"Nothing is to be feared, only understood"

Another reason why Christianity, Islam and other religions - as much as they make many people become better for themselves and communities - are a joke when they try to explain anything.

SwagPower:


I appreciate u taking ur tym to explain...Im gon go read up on d big bang and d origin of life..

One more question tho..u said its a very slow process..if stars r formed dt means they whr formed frm sth../what den formed wateva it was dt makes stars..

That's whr i believe a creator comes in..dt entity dt set d ball rolling in d first place...

TheEminentLaity:
Maybe, but personally I don't make initial assumptions that there was/is a creator(s) before learning what is already known as fact. Besides, it's only people with a religious background that would first make such assumption that a creator initiated the beginning. What we know for certain is that the universe had a beginning and the Big Bang was postulated without initial assumptions of god(s) or creator(s).

The religious will first say He (how they know it's male ), then He created man like him, and the world in 7 days etc. The more you explain the world and universe to them, the more they employ mental gymnastics to the point where when scientists say 'we don't know for sure...' then they say 'aha that's God' ... so I agree with DeGrasse Tyson that said "God is the ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance" ie. the more ignorant one is, the bigger and greater their god.

The universe is about 98% space and earth is even insignificant in the grand scheme, talk less of humans. There is so much disorder, 'errors', organisms that exist just to destroy others etc etc that the notion of intelligent design is another big joke. But as ignorance goes, it looks perfect and well scripted for humans that it must be a creator who sculptured it to his taste.

I'm an atheist because there is really nothing that I know and see about the universe, the world, and life that indicates that there is a god or gods. I do not reject the possibility, but even if there was it/she/he/them certainly isn't intelligent and as super as it's percieved to be. Why then is it god?

"Nothing is to be feared, only understood"

Another reason why Christianity, Islam and other religions - as much as they make many people become better for themselves and communities - are a joke when they try to explain anything.

Very good. Some retards have taken it upon themselves that no matter what, there must be a god and that god is the god of their religion. Any loop hole in the form of scientific ignorance is mystified but when that ignorance is eliminated, it becomes a metaphor to the religious.

TheEminentLaity:


I'm an atheist because there is really nothing that I know and see about the universe, the world, and life that indicates that there is a god or gods. I do not reject the possibility, but even if there was it/she/he/them certainly isn't intelligent and as super as it's percieved to be. Why then is it god?
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Aight Sir..I agree wit almost everytin u said..

Bt dis part above struck me d most..

I av a religious background..a very strong one at dt..some times i myself cant believe i actually doubt d presence of a God and almost completely believe religion is false ..

I used to b a very strong xtian fa.. ...A rily commited one..wit all d fastin and prayers and mountain climbing and self mortifying ..al dt!!...

Whr I'm at ATM Is;

Religion is a manmade entity.. mayb built 4 a gud reason bt has morphed into a monstrous- humanity -devoring -blackness...

I also believe in a creator(mind hw i kip saying creator and not God)..I believe some guy started it all..bt 4 reasons best known to him after d creation he basically let humans operate on deir own n barely interferes in their affairs..hw else can u explain d gross disbalance and utter injustice in d social ordeR of d world...Some av too much...way more dan dey need..yl some die of lack..If sere was a God dere wld av bn more fairness justice in the universe...

I reject d potrayal of God by d religions.He was given too much power by d religionists n wen u measure him/her against dis ludicrous standards God falls flat on his face...


Im still tryna find my own truth about d origin of d world bt ryt whr i am nw...A creator feels more ryt to me dan d bigbang..


Myt change in d future however

OK I understand your position. However, you still look at the world/universe as the religious like humans are the centrality of the cosmos. I would only implore you to learn about the universe. Watching animal planet and learning about animals too would make you realise that humans, as much as we want to feel special, are really not.

The Bonobos and Chimpanzees are the closest genetically to humans and you would be amazed how similar we are in behaviour and mannerisms to them if you learn about them.

Truth does not care about anyone's feelings. It is simply what it is: Truth. There is nothing like my truth and your truth. For instance, a live electric cable would shock any human regardless of if they believe it or not. Truth is usually tested and the scientific method is the most reliable way that we know to arrive at truth. Acceleration due to Gravity is 9.8m/s2 because it has not been disproven.

I would want to be special and the creator of the universe to care so much about me but IS IT TRUE? Certainly not. Tales of Father Christmas comforts kids but adults know it's not true.

All I have to say is: "Get ready to be shocked to your marrow when you learn about the universe and animals because you just might find that you or any other person isn't any special"

I was also an evangelising Christian. I believed the shît and hoped to see Jesus but here I am still learning what truth is.

Humans are teleological ie. we create stories and have the ability to believe them more than reality ... that's what marks us distinctly from animals that's why a muslim father would readily kill his offspring wheb they change faith but a deer would rather confront a lioness just to save her offspring.

Keep searching for answers but get rid of your initial assumptions and let logic and critical thinking guide guide you.

SwagPower:


Aight Sir..I agree wit almost everytin u said..

Bt dis part above struck me d most..

I av a religious background..a very strong one at dt..some times i myself cant believe i actually doubt d presence of a God and almost completely believe religion is false ..

I used to b a very strong xtian fa.. ...A rily commited one..wit all d fastin and prayers and mountain climbing and self mortifying ..al dt!!...

Whr I'm at ATM Is;

Religion is a manmade entity.. mayb built 4 a gud reason bt has morphed into a monstrous- humanity -devoring -blackness...

I also believe in a creator(mind hw i kip saying creator and not God)..I believe some guy started it all..bt 4 reasons best known to him after d creation he basically let humans operate on deir own n barely interferes in their affairs..hw else can u explain d gross disbalance and utter injustice in d social ordeR of d world...Some av too much...way more dan dey need..yl some die of lack..If sere was a God dere wld av bn more fairness justice in the universe...

I reject d potrayal of God by d religions.He was given too much power by d religionists n wen u measure him/her against dis ludicrous standards God falls flat on his face...


Im still tryna find my own truth about d origin of d world bt ryt whr i am nw...A creator feels more ryt to me dan d bigbang..


Myt change in d future however

TheEminentLaity:
OK I understand your position. However, you still look at the world/universe as the religious like humans are the centrality of the cosmos. I would only implore you to learn about the universe. Watching animal planet and learning about animals too would make you realise that humans, as much as we want to feel special, are really not.

The Bonobos and Chimpanzees are the closest genetically to humans and you would be amazed how similar we are in behaviour and mannerisms to them if you learn about them.

Truth does not care about anyone's feelings. It is simply what it is: Truth. There is nothing like my truth and your truth. For instance, a live electric cable would shock any human regardless of if they believe it or not. Truth is usually tested and the scientific method is the most reliable way that we know to arrive at truth. Acceleration due to Gravity is 9.8m/s2 because it has not been disproven.

I would want to be special and the creator of the universe to care so much about me but IS IT TRUE? Certainly not. Tales of Father Christmas comforts kids but adults know it's not true.

All I have to say is: "Get ready to be shocked to your marrow when you learn about the universe and animals because you just might find that you or any other person isn't any special"

I was also an evangelising Christian. I believed the shît and hoped to see Jesus but here I am still learning what truth is.

Humans are teleological ie. we create stories and have the ability to believe them more than reality ... that's what marks us distinctly from animals that's why a muslim father would readily kill his offspring wheb they change faith but a deer would rather confront a lioness just to save her offspring.

Keep searching for answers but get rid of your initial assumptions and let logic and critical thinking guide guide you.

U Such an enlightened mind..its actually a priviledge meeting and conversing wit some1 such as u on nairaland..

Bt contrary to ur assumptions i do not feel humans r special.. like we desav a special kinda attention frm d creator of d
universe..

dts y i said..d i believe in a creator bt dts as far as i go..

i do not believe he sees humans as some special component of d universe..special enough to warrant any "special attention"..We myt jsy b one of a million oda live forms in the universe..So we most certainly myt not b d centre of d cosmos..

We breathe,eat n die like every oda" lowly" animal out dere afterall..

N i dnt rily believe truth is an absolute concept..wat is supposedly true 2day myt become false in d not so distant future..

even within science discoveries r made almost everyday dt challenges some "truths" already established by d scientific method...

For instance The Martian canals were a network of gullies and ravines that 19th century scientist mistakenly believed to exist on the red planet...However the Martian canals were proven to be a myth with the advent of greater telescopes and imaging technology...

To a scientist living in the 19th century..the martian canal was the truth for him..But 21st century scientist will av a completely different truth due to d advancement weve achieved ova d yrs..n who is to say mayb a 100yrs frm now..much of wat we believe as "truth "in science 2day will not av bn replaced by "newer truths"..

Heck a new theory may arrive to replace the bigbang... ...

Certain truths r dichotomous..like d electric wire analogy u gave..

bt wen it comes to belief systems or reason..relativity becomes paramount..

the Truth at any pt in Time is wat d knowlegde ,attitudes and advancements of dt tym permit...

You're right in many ways. However, if one follows how they (the scientists) arrived at any explanation, one would know what's certain/proven as opposed to what's likely. I'd give an example, the chicxulub crater is a conspicuous fact because it is seen and the time of occurence can be estimated. However, the postulations and theories of how dinosaurs got extinct are just that theories (not scientific theory) similar ti the article i posted earlier. With the language you can easily identify what's likely and what is indeed fact.

Einstein had so many scientists refuting his theory of relativity. so sometimes (not surprisingly) people hold on to their discoveries but is it true? The good thing about science is that the fact would always stand out.

Look at climate change now, that's almost like a cult following, the models have been refuted by scientists like Freeman Dyson (although he's not an expert on the subject) and another Nobel prize winner.

Dan Schetman (Noble prize winner for discovery of quasi crystal structure) was called a fake scientist by Linus Pauling (two time Nobel prize) also removed from his faculty position because of that but at least they get challenged by experts in the field.

So, you may be right that truth in this sense is subject to review and but honestly i do not see an alternative. Certainly not god or creator for me.

SwagPower:

U Such an enlightened mind..its actually a priviledge meeting and conversing wit some1 such as u on nairaland..

Bt contrary to ur assumptions i do not feel humans r special.. like we desav a special kinda attention frm d creator of d
universe..

dts y i said..d i believe in a creator bt dts as far as i go..

i do not believe he sees humans as some special component of d universe..special enough to warrant any "special attention"..We myt jsy b one of a million oda live forms in the universe..So we most certainly myt not b d centre of d cosmos..

We breathe,eat n die like every oda" lowly" animal out dere afterall..

N i dnt rily believe truth is an absolute concept..wat is supposedly true 2day myt become false in d not so distant future..

even within science discoveries r made almost everyday dt challenges some "truths" already established by d scientific method...

For instance The Martian canals were a network of gullies and ravines that 19th century scientist mistakenly believed to exist on the red planet...However the Martian canals were proven to be a myth with the advent of greater telescopes and imaging technology...

To a scientist living in the 19th century..the martian canal was the truth for him..But 21st century scientist will av a completely different truth due to d advancement weve achieved ova d yrs..n who is to say mayb a 100yrs frm now..much of wat we believe as "truth "in science 2day will not av bn replaced by "newer truths"..

Heck a new theory may arrive to replace the bigbang... ...

Certain truths r dichotomous..like d electric wire analogy u gave..

bt wen it comes to belief systems or reason..relativity becomes paramount..

the Truth at any pt in Time is wat d knowlegde ,attitudes and advancements of dt tym permit...

TheEminentLaity:
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So, you may be right that truth in this sense is subject to review and but honestly i do not see an alternative. Certainly not god or creator for me.

You seem to b more advanced in ur quest to find d truth..

I op i get dere someday..

4 nw I'll jst bid my time...

Thanks again 4 finding tym to indulge me..

@op,

Watching Christians eating grass like "retarded ruminants" made me to run from religion!!!

Eating grass is a sign of mental illness!!!

superboyspecial:
I tried reading the bible all through, arm yourselves with the word they said...at the end,I found stories that didn't match...thought it was the devil playing me so I stopped thinking about them,swallowed everything I was fed,fast forward to when I was in my late teens,I was opportune to come across people with almost the same questions,that was when I decided to do more further digging and believe me when I say this...the bible has answers...you just need to read it

I'm pretty sure us atheist, at least most of us have done enough reading to know it's filled with a lot of questionable and outright ludicrous things. The problem isn't reading the bible, the problem is the bible itself... Mot especially the old testaments.

As to what changed my beliefs, well I decided to give religion a break, become unreligious and if I did return back to my religion, it is true enough for me. But till date I haven't return, and mind you I was deeply religious.
I'm sure if most intellectually honest people do this, (de-programming themselve from their beliefs and starting neutral and afresh), very few would return back to religion.

So many reasons but the major thing was that I found (organized) religions especially the one I was born into and raised with - CRAZEtianity, as being hypocritical and "arrogantly" stupid!

It was a great privilege and joy meeting Mr. Leo Igwe one-on-one today at the University of Ibadan, Nigeria. I could not quite believe he was the great Leo Igwe a lot of us have been hearing about both home and oversea - a global figure of "humanism" and human rights not just in Africa but the world at large. I mean, he looks "simple" and had a great sense of humour like Mr. Calistus Igwilo; one may never even believe he is a "PhD" (doctorate degree) holder and someone that has achieved great heights in different areas of life. That is how most great people are - they look simple to the point of making so many people they come in contact with them for the first time to underrate them but only to prove those same people wrong when they later get to know about their high-achieving profiles.

He was also quite surprised to meet and see that this Satanic boy often posting Satanic things on Facebook is actually "small" in size and look even simpler - a "small" Satan with simple looks. I guess we share some things in common. Anyway, we sat one-on-one alone, had a drink and great discussion for an hour in a serene and cool environment. He is an intelligent fellow - an atheist with a sense of humour, empathy and. It was a great time with Mr. Leo Igwe - co-founder/President of the "Humanist Association of Nigeria" (HAN) and renowned member of the "International Humanist and Ethical Union" (IHEU), e.t.c. We appeared to understand each other's views and experiences well. One thing about humanists (i.e. atheists, agnostics, deists, "Satanists," mystics, "Marxists" e.t.c) is that we UNDERSTAND each other's ordeals or feelings even before the other person clearly expresses them, and that is because we all experience these societal discriminations and persecutions from fanatically-deluded and hypocritical religionists in different ways despite our socioeconomic strata.

Sir, if you are reading this like I believe, I want to thank you for taking time to meet me one-on-one today at the University of Ibadan, taking me out to relax and discuss relevant issues affecting humanity especially in Nigeria, e.t.c. And thank you for "what" you gave me amongst other educational articles, I really appreciate even if it may look small or mean nothing to you. Believe it or not, sir: you and FEW others have just helped to COMPLETELY PAY my HUGE "M.SC school FEES" today from what you gave to me. I will NEVER forget you, Calistus and "FEW others" who have been of GREAT help and/or ENCOURAGEMENT to me at this point in time even when I did not have to "go on my knees" before you. You did not do it because there is a bloody "god" or allah in "the sky" who is going to "reward" you later (in the fucking Afterlife), but you all did it for GOODNESS SAKE - for the sake of HUMANITY. Thank you too my close childhood friend - Mr. Boubai Amaebi. You are truly a friend, and being friends since 1996 to date is not a joke.

Humanism shall continue to grow in Nigeria (Africa) and worldwide; (organized) religions with BLOOD-thirsty, DISCRIMINATORY, HYPOCRITICAL, and EXTORTIVE tendencies must not have much influence in our daily lives politically, educationally, socially, economically and/or psychologically! The struggle continues, Humanists worldwide must try to continue and remain in UNITY no matter what! Be your "sister/brother's" keeper according to your own ability and courage at all times!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Igwe

obinna58:


The're lots of reasons which made me came into such conclusion
1. The're thousands of Gods and religions
2. The hipocrisy of religious people
2. Bible confusion, parables, justified killings,
Impossibilities and lies
4. Spirituality scam
5. Religious enmity, colonization and war
6. Unverifiable claims from different religion
7. Religion limiting human action and development
8. Failed miracles and prophecies
9. Too much lies from religious leaders

The're many more

Well said.

Let me add one more.

10. The fact that one can live a better life without religion