1stSonOfLucifer:


For the basis of this argument alone.


What if i say I don't know if "your" god exist. Can you proof to me that he exist since I'm not sure?

What are the yardstick you use to measure/connote god's existence?

For the basis of this argument alone what if I say God exists can you disprove his existence to me since I am sure?

What yardstick did you use to measure the non existence of a God who exists outside our realm bearing in mind that you are confined and limited to this realm.

butterflylion:


Dude I wish you would learn to actually read the tripe you so love to write

I can tell you that I have 1 billion dollars and cannot be compelled to show you evidence of that. Are you the CBN or my auditors?

If I have it, I have it and if you choose not to believe I have it because I refused to show you evidence for it then that is your cup of tea. This is why I said, " if you know, you know"!

Stop throwing fallacy of informal logic around and being proud of your error. When you argue from ignorance its simply a very weak position being shown by you.

Stop being ignorant!

@bold

I give up. Butterfly, you could do better than typing the emboldened.

You fall my GP

butterflylion:


For the basis of this argument alone what if I say God exists can you disprove his existence to me since I am sure?

Why help you disprove something you claim exist?

Oga, proof god exist. I don't know if your god exist. Oyah you that know god exist should proof.

What yardstick did you use to measure the non existence of a God who exists outside our realm bearing in mind that you are confined and limited to this realm.

I'm not arguing about a non-existent god. My stance is "I don't know".

So pls, attend to my question

1stSonOfLucifer:

Why help you disprove something you claim exist?

Oga, proof god exist. I don't know if your god exist. Oyah you that know god exist should proof.

I'm not arguing about a non-existent god. My stance is "I don't know".

So pls, attend to my question

Ahh now you see your folly don't you?

In the same vein, why should anyone ask for evidence of something they claim does not exist. You and I know you are in the league of those who claim God does not exist and not in the agnostic league so trying to pretend to be an agnostic for sake of this proof is laughable and childish. I would only entertain such childishness if I was actually totally jobless and good thing I am not.

Tell your fellow atheists the same thing you just said above which is " why help me disprove something I claim exists"!

And let me add this one too

"Why ask for evidence for something you already said does not exist? Such evidence surely wouldn't exist too"!

Would it?

1stSonOfLucifer:

@bold

I give up. Butterfly, you could do better than typing the emboldened.

You fall my GP

You have never had a GP.

Demands are made and its up to whoever to respond to such demands or ignore them. Nobody is a robot to another who when they say give me, I then automatically give.

Think and grow some actual GP.

butterflylion:


Sorry to burst your bubble but God is beyond definition by the human mind because he is beyond our scope of reasoning. Any definition given to God now is simply human conjecture.

So if you can disprove this God I just talked about then fire away.

If god is beyond your scope of reason, how come do you expect me to believe all you have been typing?

I tell you I can't explain how y became x and suddenly I started explaining what I said I don't understand. If you're a rational human being, won't you question my explanations since my first premise was that I can't explain how y became x

butterflylion:


Ahh now you see your folly don't you?

In the same vein, why should anyone ask for evidence of something they claim does not exist. You and I know you are in the league of those who claim God does not exist and not in the agnostic league so trying to pretend to be an agnostic for sake of this proof is laughable and childish. I would only entertain such childishness if I was actually totally jobless and good thing I am not.

Tell your fellow atheists the same thing you just said above which is " why help me disprove something I claim exists"!

And let me add this one too

"Why ask for evidence for something you already said does not exist? Such evidence surely wouldn't exist too"!

Would it?

Go and sleep joor. Evidently, you're on drugs.

We are talking a, you're bringing b

1stSonOfLucifer:

If god is beyond your scope of reason, how come do you expect me to believe all you have been typing?

I tell you I can't explain how y and x and suddenly I started explaining what I said I don't understand. If you're a rational human being, won't you question my explanations since my first premise was that I can't explain how y became x

Definition is different from explanation. Learn to read for sake of understanding.

Somebody is talking about definition and here you are talking about explanation.

Please show some intelligence.

1stSonOfLucifer:

Go and sleep joor. Evidently, you're on drugs.

We are talking a, you're bringing b

Look up and see who is talking B while I am talking A

butterflylion:


Definition is different from explanation. Learn to read for sake of understanding.

Somebody is talking about definition and here you are talking about explanation.

Please show some intelligence.

Let's agree I'm unintelligent like you stylishly & outrightly stating.

Substitute "DEFINITION" for "EXPLANATION"

butterflylion:


Look up and see who is talking B while I am talking A

Hahaha hahahahahaha. Dalaman get time sef to type epistle with you......

Go and reload joor. Take cover.

Outta thread

1stSonOfLucifer:

Let's agree I'm unintelligent like you stylishly & outrightly stating.

Substitute "DEFINITION" for "EXPLANATION"

Still wouldn't change my already declared position about you and your childish attempt to feign agnosticism when you clearly aren't one.

If you were an agnostic then this discussion would follow a different path based on the curiosity of the agnostic but your direction is pretty much predictable.

So DIRECTLY at your atheistic self I repeat,

"Why ask for evidence for something you already said does not exist? Such evidence surely wouldn't exist too"!

Nobody can ever eat his cake and have it. Its either you have the cake or you eat it. You have eaten yours.

butterflylion:


Still wouldn't change my already declared position about you and your childish attempt to feign agnosticism when you clearly aren't one.

1. You couldn't proof god exist to an agnostic since you always assert both atheists and theists should provide evidences for their claim. LoL
2. Where did I state being an atheist? Provide link.
3. Assuming I claimed to be an atheist, I have reverted to be a Buddhist. So proof ya god exist. Lol.

If you were an agnostic then this discussion would follow a different path based on the curiosity of the agnostic but your direction is pretty much predictable.

I'm not an agnostic neither been an atheist. I just seek knowledge. Proof ya god exist.

So DIRECTLY at your atheistic self I repeat,

"Why ask for evidence for something you already said does not exist? Such evidence surely wouldn't exist too"!

Nobody can ever eat his cake and have it. Its either you have the cake or you eat it. You have eaten yours.

Im not an atheist

Seun:
I feel that the whole God’s God thing was a waste of the brilliant animators time. A rabbit hole that leads nowhere. I like the stuff that’s more grounded in reality or the actual beliefs of the people we are trying to liberate.

This got my attention.
As noble as this is, what if you're the one who needs liberation?
I was an atheist but ended up a theist again. I've seen both ends of the spectrum and trust me there's light at the end of only one tunnel, Christ.
Look beyond the grotesque religious charade that is more publicized and misrepresenting the real christianity. Seek to understand Christianity, Jesus Christ and then make your verdict.
You'll realise you never really knew Him as i also realised.

Dalam0n:


It is based on YOUR God claims that me as an atheist say that your God does not exist, so why don't you provide evidence to show that your God exist. Your God does not exist simply on the basis that you haven't provided any evidence to show that it does. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence and what can be asserted without evidence deserves to be dismissed without evidence.

It's also based your claim as an Atheist that God doesn't exist, that I'm asking for evidence. If you can do that, I'll do mine.

1stSonOfLucifer:

1. You couldn't proof god exist to an agnostic since you always assert both atheists and theists should provide evidences for their claim. LoL

So where is the evidence for the claims of atheists? The OP claimed God doesn't exist but rather is a creation of the human mind. WHERE IS HIS EVIDENCE? Atheists made the first claim here so their evidence is very much demanded.

However, they themselves have placed me on a restriction by demanding from me evidence of something that does not exist to them. Does this not also mean that the evidence does not exist?

2. Where did I state being an atheist? Provide link.
3. Assuming I claimed to be an atheist, I have reverted to be a Buddhist. So proof ya god exist. Lol.

Show me evidence that you are now a Buddhist. Your claim requires proof. This is a faceless forum. Claims are a dime a dozen here.

I'm not an agnostic neither been an atheist. I just seek knowledge. Proof ya god exist.

Then you are confused!

Im not an atheist

So says an atheist.

HardMirror:
h t t p s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODetOE6cbbc

Seun:
I feel that the whole God’s God thing was a waste of the brilliant animators time.
A rabbit hole that leads nowhere.

I completely concur with you, it was a waste of DarkMatter2525's and the brilliant animator's time.

I enjoy watching DarkMatter2525 videos as I always find them amusing and entertaining

AnonyNymous:
Did you watch it to the end?
You should've seen how it ended.

Pantheon:
"Whose God are you?"

Human being:
"I created all the gods,
yes, but I myself, I am not a God
I, am humanity and I created you created you because there were times when I felt scared and alone
There were times when I grieved
There were times when I felt awe and wonder,
yet didn't have the answers I so desperately wanted

but most of all, there were times when I wanted to control other people
and in all these things the creation of the gods was most useful
You may have been a necessary evil
but humanity is growing up
and the time has come to put away childish things"

God took time to create human beings in His image and likeness
the end of the animated video proved that human beings have perversely returned the favour

Seun:
I like the stuff that’s more grounded in reality
or the actual beliefs of the people we are trying to liberate

Notice the reality and separation of God from gods in DarkMatter2525's video and the brilliant animation
Astronomers cannot see dark matter directly, but can see and study its effects...

pressplay411:
This got my attention.
As noble as this is, what if you're the one who needs liberation?
I was an atheist but ended up a theist again.
I've seen both ends of the spectrum and trust me there's light at the end of only one tunnel, Christ.
Look beyond the grotesque religious charade that is more publicized and misrepresenting the real christianity.
Seek to understand Christianity, Jesus Christ and then make your verdict.
You'll realise you never really knew Him as i also realised.

Word up

pressplay411:


This got my attention.
As noble as this is, what if you're the one who needs liberation?
I was an atheist but ended up a theist again. I've seen both ends of the spectrum and trust me there's light at the end of only one tunnel, Christ.
Look beyond the grotesque religious charade that is more publicized and misrepresenting the real christianity. Seek to understand Christianity, Jesus Christ and then make your verdict.
You'll realise you never really knew Him as i also realised.

Lol stop lying for jesus..

was an atheist ke,atheistis ni.....

An atheist can become theist only if he want to fool the deluded and make financial gains..

There is no way you will see the errors of religion and come back believing in the absurbdity

luvmijeje:


It's also based your claim as an Atheist that God doesn't exist, that I'm asking for evidence. If you can do that, I'll do mine.

I've told you that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You claim that God exist and you can NOT provide evidence for it, that is evidence that your God doesn't exist. You can't give what you don't have.

Dalam0n:


I've told you that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You claim that God exist and you can NOT provide evidence for it, that is evidence that your God doesn't exist. You can't give what you don't have.

He is bringing his bible as evidence..lol

Ask him which of the god is he claiming exist then debunk it...i know it will be that useless yahwe brought to them through slavery he will support..

Dalam0n:


I've told you that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You claim that God exist and you can NOT provide evidence for it, that is evidence that your God doesn't exist. You can't give what you don't have.

I think I should break it down a bit for these guys to get what you're saying and I hope they do

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence for entities that don't claim to interact with us, created us and wants to have a Personal relationship with us

But absence of evidence IS evidence of absence for entities that claim to interact with us, created us and wants to have a Personal relationship with us. Absence of evidence where evidence is expected is evidence of absence

I hope they do but I strongly doubt they would

Edit: a word

..

Dalam0n:


I've told you that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You claim that God exist and you can NOT provide evidence for it, that is evidence that your God doesn't exist. You can't give what you don't have.

And you can't know what is unknowable despite its existence. I keep telling you to stop throwing this fallacy of yours around because it is ignorant and based on a false dichotomy. You never learn but keep thinking your comment is valid.

A typical example is that in the period of ignorance things like radiation, bacteria, viruses existed but could not be proven due to the levels of ignorance prevalent at that time but the lack of evidence for them did not mean they did not exist. They were always there.

The problem you fail to realise is that man has placed himself as the judge of what exists and what doe snot exist based on available evidence to him but that itself is a misnomer and clearly shows whenever scientists say THEY DISCOVERED anything. This shows that what they discovered had always been there but they just needed to convince themselves via evidence to themselves.

This is why I keep telling you that your argument from ignorance is simply silly. It clearly says there that it is AN IGNORANT ARGUMENT and this means that you the one using this argument is the one that is on the weak side based on being IGNORANT.

butterflylion:


And you can't know what is unknowable despite its existence. I keep telling you to stop throwing this fallacy of yours around because it is ignorant and based on a false dichotomy. You never learn but keep thinking your comment is valid.

A typical example is that in the period of ignorance things like radiation, bacteria, viruses existed but could not be proven due to the levels of ignorance prevalent at that time but the lack of evidence for them did not mean they did not exist. They were always there.

The problem you fail to realise is that man has placed himself as the judge of what exists and what doe snot exist based on available evidence to him but that itself is a misnomer and clearly shows whenever scientists say THEY DISCOVERED anything. This shows that what they discovered had always been there but they just needed to convince themselves via evidence to themselves.

This is why I keep telling you that your argument from ignorance is simply silly. It clearly says there that it is AN IGNORANT ARGUMENT and this means that you the one using this argument is one the weak side based on being IGNORANT.

lol keep comparing your god to bacteria

Godpolymath:
Lol stop lying for jesus..

was an atheist ke,atheistis ni.....

An atheist can become theist only if he want to fool the deluded and make financial gains..

There is no way you will see the errors of religion and come back believing in the absurbdity

Liar liar at the bolded.

Tell that to hardcore atheists who became theists. Eg

Lee strobel, Anthony McGrath, Rosalind Picard, Francis Collins, Vladimir Putin, C.S Lewis, Anthony Flew and so on.

They were well known for being hardcore atheists. You are clearly still a fledgling.

Godpolymath:
lol keep comparing your god to bacteria

Whether you like or dont like, its his God as much as its yours too

Godpolymath:
lol keep comparing your god to bacteria

You can't blame me can you?

That's the level of examples suitable for atheists like you. At least you understood that part didn't you?

I am manufacturing a special Binocular to scan this irrational topic.

butterflylion:



Liar liar at the bolded.

Tell that to hardcore atheists who became theists. Eg

Lee strobel, Anthony McGrath, Rosalind Picard, Francis Collins, Vladimir Putin, C.S Lewis, Anthony Flew and so on.

They were well known for being hardcore atheists. You are clearly still a fledgling.

i saw putin i laughed....

Some people are just too smart to be associated with religion e.g obama

butterflylion:


And you can't know what is unknowable despite its existence. I keep telling you to stop throwing this fallacy of yours around because it is ignorant and based on a false dichotomy. You never learn but keep thinking your comment is valid.

Will you stop embarrassing your self with this lame logic you are trying to throw around that keeps showing that you know nothing about what you are saying?

A typical example is that in the period of ignorance things like radiation, bacteria, viruses existed but could not be proven due to the levels of ignorance prevalent at that time but the lack of evidence for them did not mean they did not exist. They were always there.

When did any body come out and say that bacteria does not exist in the history or man kind? Who were the people that denied the existence of radiation? These things were never denied at any time but were later discovered as knowledge increased. Nobody has ever denied their existence. For their existwnce to be denied someone must have stated that they existed first before another person will deny it. No such thing has ever happned, these thingd were just discovered as knowledge increased. If anybody says bacteria does not exist for what ever reason all what was needed was to show that bacteria exist and that's all. The person's denial has nothing to do with the proof that was provided despite his denial. The proof will show that his denial was totally false.

The problem you fail to realise is that man has placed himself as the judge of what exists and what doe snot exist based on available evidence to him but that itself is a misnomer and clearly shows whenever scientists say THEY DISCOVERED anything. This shows that what they discovered had always been there but they just needed to convince themselves via evidence to themselves.

Scientist have made many claims and they had to change or abandon the claims in the absence of evidence.

This is why I keep telling you that your argument from ignorance is simply silly. It clearly says there that it is AN IGNORANT ARGUMENT and this means that you the one using this argument is one the weak side based on being IGNORANT.

We are talking about a Yahweh here, Yahweh we are told has many attributes, he is alive, he interacts in nature in specific ways that can be known, he wants and does things in natuere that can be known when observed. We are not talking about an abstract thing that isn't known. We are talking about Yahweh, an entity that is well defined whose followers keep making endless claims about him. You specifically have told an atheist here that Jesus loves him endlessly. Where is the evidence of that claim? The absence of evidence is evidence absence. You can't give what you don't have.

HardMirror:
that is why i am an atheist, christians appeal to authority, you count seun's opinion over your own capacity to reason. I dont care if seun approves or not. It makes a lot of logic sense. Watch and think for yourself. Or are you also one of those who is managing free 10mb data on your phone?

Can you even prove that God does NOT exist?

Butterflyleo:


How you cannot see your own error is amazing

Atheists are still the ones talking so much about a supposed non existent God. What part of God does not exist do they not understand?

For something not to exist it means IT HAS NO REALITY. Why then do you get so fixated on what you claim has no reality and talk about it as if it indeed had a reality?

You try to assess him based on the attributes you say are found in the bible but you fail to realise that you should not even be assessing him with anything BECAUSE TO YOU HE DOES NOT EXIST!

What you are actually doing all day every day is simply trying to reaffirm to yourself that he does not exist and not that you truly have accepted that he does not exist.

Read this over and over again and the light will dawn on you.

Okay, god exists. And so do unicorns.