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| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by Leopantro: 12:37pm On May 27, 2018 |
DrayZee:will the education guaranty their salvation. the aim of the church was for spiritual salvation and fulfilment. A place where the word of God was sought and his teachings via the holy spirit was impacted to his followers. at lease that's me thinking, not ranting. i have carefully read all your post and i can't find anywhere where the pursuit of God's mandate and knowledge was forefront. instead, you talked about standard of education, maximaizing intellectual achievement and economics of running a university. remember there was schools of teaching when Jesus was alive but people left their work and such schools to sit at Jesus's feet to listen to his teaching. many were poor but he fed them with fish and bread. will building of these universities glorify God's teachings or improve Man's understanding of Education? |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by ladygudhead(f): 12:37pm On May 27, 2018 |
Everytime the poor, the poor,the pool when the church teach n give u incites (yes churches these days do educate members both spiritually n morally how to live above financial incapabilithes, they still choose to remain poor. If not for 'the church' today the world would have been worst than it is today. Yet we attack the church( christianity ) |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by HeyCorleone(m): 12:39pm On May 27, 2018 |
LaExpert:Falz' contention was not on "free schools". His point was on the exorbitant fees. I mean ain't nothing wrong with Covenant charging 100-200k for fees. Worried about paying the staff? You know how those missionary boys did it back then? Rather than employ teachers who would definitely increase the cost of running the school, the learned ones taught the students themselves. I mean ain't nothing wrong in a pastor with a degree in Engineering taking Engineering courses in a university as long as he's proficient. Such a pastor won't mind the little salary he receives because ultimately he's doing the work of God and his reward is in heaven. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by sangresan(m): 12:41pm On May 27, 2018 |
HigherEd:This guy is confused.... |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by londoner: 12:41pm On May 27, 2018 |
ladygudhead:I don't agree. There are lots of terrible things that have happened in the name of religion and Christianity is included. Without religion in Nigeria In THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY 'PRACTICED' Nigeria would be a much better place. Religion has been a wedge between people and a paralyser to progress in Nigeria imho. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by princfred(m): 12:42pm On May 27, 2018 |
DrayZee:If you believe their are zero cultists in private universities you are simply delusional. Again, if churches want to upgrade government universities they can. If they want to establish things the poor can afford, they can. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by LaExpert: 12:43pm On May 27, 2018 |
zomoears:Let me educate you since you've decided to be ignorant. Nothing is really 'free.' Whatever is free to you must have been paid or is being paid for or will be paid for by someone else. The 'free' schools you mentioned were being paid for by other people as you mentioned. The present day schools owned by churches are still being heavily subsidized to keep that amount you perceive to be outrageous to be that low. Funding those schools 100% will be too much of a burden to any church...well, except the standard of the school will drop. Do a small research; compare the fees of missionary schools below Covenant to the the fees of Covenant and come here to say the difference. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by zomoears(m): 12:44pm On May 27, 2018 |
ladygudhead:I smell disdain for poor people here. I also smell "entitlement" mentality, like you are a part of d corrupt church system Falz was highlighting. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by lekanation(m): 12:45pm On May 27, 2018 |
CodeTemplar:compare federal university or state university's school fees to Christian owned university. mumu |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by princfred(m): 12:45pm On May 27, 2018 |
ladygudhead:We try to make the church better with constructive criticism and advice. However you want to interpret it |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by tee4naija(m): 12:46pm On May 27, 2018 |
HigherEd:All these are mere excuses for exorbitant fees charged by the universities. If they were set up to teach Christian doctrines, are the doctrines for only the children of the rich? If it is not the role of the Church to create wealth, provide jobs etc, where do they expect the graduates churned out yearly to get employment after paying such outrageous fees for 4-5 years? Tell us why the Catholic church, Anglican church, Methodists church etc that brought education did not charge such fees back then and limited enrollment to the children of the rich? Nothing anyone can say to defend the gluttonous proprietors of such institutions can eliminate the fact that they are only out to MAKE MONEY! |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by Alaska90(m): 12:46pm On May 27, 2018 |
ibnchokomah:Thank you so much for your response and may the Lord bless your dad. I was not going to get involve before because it just too difficullt to educate people in this part of the world. The truth is that there is no more christianity in nigeria, what we have now is empire building and mammom worshipping. How can it be bibilically justified to collect from poor church branch like your dad's own to fund church Headquarters and schools. And the worst part of it is that the poor church could not pay her monthly rent and the pastor is now responsible for the rent!...so sad. In the new testament bible, money were collected from rich churches to fund the needs of poor churches. Thats the opposite of what we have now in nigeria. The biblical primary role of the church is to prepare people of God for the second coming of our Lord Jesus christ and not to build schools and industries. its ungodly to collect from poor members in seed sowing, offerings, thithing, schools building contribuions etc to fund schools and empire building projects that have no direct benefits to them. if the churches still want to build schools, they can get loans to build schools and charge any amount for the fees instead of taking from the poor |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by Buffalowings3(m): 12:46pm On May 27, 2018 |
demolagilbert:Gracias |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by Infocitadel: 12:47pm On May 27, 2018 |
Nigerian youths. let's channel this energy to the government and force them to do what is right. and Nigeria will b a better place |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by idrisolayiwo(m): 12:51pm On May 27, 2018 |
Let's view it from this angle If the tuition fee for these schools are low(somewhat in the range of 30-60k), then thousands of Nigerian students who cannot get admission into our public universities will come. Now let's do the maths 600k * 10 students in a department= #6million and 60k * 100= 6 million All the church university will be doing is making school affordable, accommodating more less privileged students and also make more money.Simple When the tuition fee is too high, u segregate ur members and u make education more accessible to more previleged Also, ifchurch universities main purpose is to inculcate xtian teachings to iits members, why not make tuition fee less expensive and more attractive to everyone. The teachings I believe are not for the rich only. Let's ponder on that!.what do you think |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by leofab(f): 12:52pm On May 27, 2018 |
CodeTemplar:you are part of the gullible followers who will go back there... people love being deceived. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by KaptainAfrika: 12:53pm On May 27, 2018 |
1. THEY CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS FOR A UNIVERSITY, POOR AND RICH CONTRIBUTE. 2. ONLY THE UPPER MIDDLE-CLASS AND RICH ARE ABLE TO ATTEND. 3. THEY MAY BE SCHOLARSHIPS BUT IT WON'T COVER EVERYONE WHO HAS CONTRIBUTED. IN FACT, IT IS RIDDLED WITH NEPOTISM AND SCANDAL. 4. THEY BOAST THEY RUN AN HEAVENLY ECONOMY BUT WILL TELL YOU THEY CAN'T MAKE THE SCHOOLS FREE. 5. CHURCH UNIVERSITIES ARE NOT THE SOLUTION BUT THE SYMPTOMS OF A FAILED EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM. 6. THEY ARE NOT TAXED AS THEY ARE NON-PROFIT, BUT THEY MAKE PROFITS FROM UNIVERSITIES FROM SALES OF MERCHANDISE, FOOD AND DRINK E.T.C. 7. THEY HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT CAN BE CHANGED, DEPENDING ON THE PARENT OF THE AFFECTED CHILD E.G. THE RECALL OF THE FORMER N.U.C CHAIRMAN'S SON AFTER EXPULSION FROM COVENANT UNIVERSITY E.T.C. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by tee4naija(m): 12:55pm On May 27, 2018 |
HigherEd:Stop this balderdash. So Alhikma university is the only faith-based university that is profit oriented just because it is Islamic? How lame? Arguing with people like you is a waste of time. Publish the tuition charged by Alhikma university and those of Church owned universities here for comparison and see your hypocrisy. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by frubben(m): 12:56pm On May 27, 2018 |
DrayZee:o sori. where the guy |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by Jasmine79: 12:56pm On May 27, 2018 |
HigherEd:Your epistle was making sense, until you typed that!...does that not sound biased to you?...otherwise if you'd done your research properly, you would find that The School is being funded by WAMY! |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by BIXYBABE: 1:00pm On May 27, 2018 |
HigherEd:_Only 50,000 self my parent will run up and down |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by flamingREED(m): 1:01pm On May 27, 2018 |
Mehn. Believers proving to the world that we're smarter. All the believers that responded to this issue, especially in the front page, DESERVE MY RESPECT. I'M SATISFIED. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by zomoears(m): 1:03pm On May 27, 2018 |
LaExpert:You can keep your "education", it is for gullible people who dont have the insider information that I have. I know about cost of running these Universities and how much they make. Not to deviate from d crux of the matter, Falz said "there is no law that allows you to take money from the church, invest in business, and privatise it". Go and check the laws of the land. Because we dont obey law in Nigeria, una de do anyhow. Falz is a lawyer. Go and try this in UK or other serious societies where law and order is upheld. Charities have rules spelling out how they are to be run. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by DrayZee: 1:03pm On May 27, 2018 |
Leopantro:Why are you talking as if you've not heard of Covenant University before? Is it not people like you that are always complaining about church universities and their strict insistence on Christianity. Calling them advanced secondary schools because they don't allow pointless youthful exuberance. Now you're asking all these questions. It's like you just came here to ask random questions. Covenant University does all that you're asking about now. And that wasn't even a topic for discussion on this thread because everyone knows how strict the universities and their rules on religion are. Na wa oh. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by tragergeorge(m): 1:05pm On May 27, 2018 |
CodeTemplar:what is this one saying here na, you don defend sote u no get wetin to talk again abi |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by DrayZee: 1:07pm On May 27, 2018 |
princfred:You know what? Fine. So to you, the 4 or 5 cultists out of thousands of students (who know they'll get expelled and imprisoned if they try rubbish) are enough to cause a reprisal. Well done. Continue. No one will build on a faulty foundation when they can establish a completely new one. Peace. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by Augustenite(m): 1:07pm On May 27, 2018 |
DrayZee:Bro, dey can as well invest in the health sector where all their members both the rich and the poor can benefits. Not having 2 universities . what is the essence of producing jobless graduate. More also, must all of them have a university, some of them should think of building a technical colleges where they will train and at the end equipped their graduates with necessary startup equipment, so from there reducing the rate of unemployment and helping the poor in their church. Either you like it or not .THEIR MAIN AIM IS TO MAKE MORE MONEY INTO THEIR SELFISH POCKET AND NOT TO ASSIST THE SOCIETY. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by sangresan(m): 1:07pm On May 27, 2018 |
Junior66:Oyinbo paid for us? You think Oyinbo people were so generous? Now, educate us....Tell us how Oyinbo people in Europe paid for our education rather than the fact that our fathers pooled resources together to educate their communities. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by sprints1: 1:08pm On May 27, 2018 |
HigherEd:don't compare Nigerian universities with Harvard university and u can't compare the economy of the USA with that of Nigeria devaluation inflation everywhere with an average Nigerian making less than #600,000 per annum what are I telling me....do ur reaserch carefully before involving universities with more prestige and excellence with all these profit making church Nigerian universities, yes they have the facilities but the competence is missing... |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by kennypoka2(m): 1:09pm On May 27, 2018 |
DrayZee:They can run a standard university and make better avenues for more poor people to attend such institutions. Every Christian leader should answer this question, are these universities in line with God's teaching? Because if it is, then I don't understand the objectives of the church anymore. I have friends that after their study in these so-called universities are still looking for jobs. We can't keep justifying these practices and expect changes in our country. If these leaders that claim to be serving same God can't come together and think of ways to include the poor in their educational scheme, then what's the point? The world should be separated from the church. The way things are done in anything church-related is different. Because God is concerned about winning more souls and if anything they're doing is not winning souls then why do it? They all want to build universities even one that just started yesterday. The church I attend are seriously tasking the members to complete their university but their secondary schools and primary school are nothing to write home about. Instead of aiming to build universities that doesn't cater to the poor, why not just concentrate on the secondary schools, make it better, bigger and more conducive for children to attend. I believe building universities without including the poor in the agenda is wrong and evil and shouldn't be encouraged. These churches are meant to be the moral pillar of the society, with them around, the nation is meant to be better. But, reverse is the case in Nigeria... I'm not blaming religion for where we are presently but I can boldly say they contributed to it. |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by CodeTemplar: 1:11pm On May 27, 2018 |
lekanation:If you read the OP well your brain will realize that FG subsidizes the average Uni Ibadan student by 430,000 per year and N1.7m four 4 years. Who is the mumu here? |
| Re: Falz And His Shenanigan Lamentations Against Nigerian Church Universities by sangresan(m): 1:11pm On May 27, 2018 |
Augustenite:Kudos bro.... Have you noticed that these churches have mostly refused to invest in Polytechnics and Colleges of Education? That's to show you that their intention is contrary to the narrative being sold us on Nairaland... |
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