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KingOfAmebo:
I stopped reading your glorious trash when you said 5-500 donations by the poor church members cannot send their kids to school.

Please pick up your calculator and calculate this simple maths.

Multiply 10 million RCCG members by 500 naira every sunday multiply by 52 weeks and tell me if is not enough to build, fund and send thousands of poor kids through school for free.

Have you heard of the missionary schools of old? They were built by Churches and offer free education... There is absolutely no justification for me to contribute towards building a school while my kids cant study there because I cant afford it.

I blame the poor that donated, it would have been better not to contribute to ANY church project knowing you won't benefit from it. Case study: Emmanuel Park inside RCCG Camp, owned by Pastor Adeboyes wife built with donations from church members yet this ignorant church members still pay #1000 as gate fee for their children to have fun.

Who owns Church properties? It is the Pastors and their families, yet they tell you to contribute to buy AC or fix the gen...when you leave you go with NOTHING, making you the biggest fool.

I blame the poor for contributing to buy their Pastors private jets all in the name of ministerial work...what happed to video conferencing? What happened to Satellite TV live broadcast of service across the globe? Do you still need a private jet to fly you to Japan to minister to them when you have technology that is much much cheaper on your fingertips?

Why collect donations from the poor members when you know it won't be enough to send their kids to school?...now you give the excuses of expensive funding. So, what's the point in embacking on a project that won't benefit your poor members.


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lawkenoz:
say no more brother, you've capped it all. These sheeple know the truth, but like brainwashed people, they suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know what the church of Christ stands for or rather should stand for, but too caught up in defending the bloody GOs.

If their main aim was contributing solely to society and helping the needy, we would see projects that are conspicuous and undebatable. instead all we hear of those type of good works are whispers and rumours. Church branches littered everywhere instead of NGOs and meaningful things.

Give me a church that improves the lives of the people both physically and spiritually, I would walk miles to attend it.

lawkenoz:
say no more brother, you've capped it all. These sheeple know the truth, but like brainwashed people, they suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know what the church of Christ stands for or rather should stand for, but too caught up in defending the bloody GOs.

If their main aim was contributing solely to society and helping the needy, we would see projects that are conspicuous and undebatable. instead all we hear of those type of good works are whispers and rumours. Church branches littered everywhere instead of NGOs and meaningful things.

Give me a church that improves the lives of the people both physically and spiritually, I would walk miles to attend it.

sprints1:
don't compare Nigerian universities with Harvard university and u can't compare the economy of the USA with that of Nigeria devaluation inflation everywhere with an average Nigerian making less than #600,000 per annum what are I telling me....do ur reaserch carefully before involving universities with more prestige and excellence with all these profit making church Nigerian universities, yes they have the facilities but the competence is missing...

princfred:
Are you insinuating the church dont take offering from the poor and channel to those?

Well here is a good reply for you from Dolby. Read it slowly and carefully thrice for it can teach you moral sensitivity:


Alot of people have digressed from the point here but it's ok. Everyone wants to talk.

Is good upbringing and godly devotion meant for "the few poor but intelligent ones who can pass scholarships"?
Is Christ teachings meant for only class who can pay high fees??

The church shouldn't have set up institutions that can only be available to a select few in the society. Institutions that further widen the gap between the rich and the poor shouldn't have any place within the church.

My grandma was quite poor, her English wasn't so good coz it was tainted with Yoruba accent but her writing is so beautiful ! She writes in cursives! She went to a missionary school and paid close to nothing.

Think about it: If the Temple/Synagogue in Jesus time had a University and Peter and Luke were to write scholarship exams, who do you think would have gotten scholarship to study medicine? The system might have pronounced Peter a dullard and Luke as intelligent. Churces should think about Jesus first in all dealings.

They should build primary and secondary school that are still quite easier to manage and make it available to the masses. University education isn't the pinacle of success.

princfred:
Are you insinuating the church dont take offering from the poor and channel to those?

Well here is a good reply for you from Dolby. Read it slowly and carefully thrice for it can teach you moral sensitivity:


Alot of people have digressed from the point here but it's ok. Everyone wants to talk.

Is good upbringing and godly devotion meant for "the few poor but intelligent ones who can pass scholarships"?
Is Christ teachings meant for only class who can pay high fees??

The church shouldn't have set up institutions that can only be available to a select few in the society. Institutions that further widen the gap between the rich and the poor shouldn't have any place within the church.

My grandma was quite poor, her English wasn't so good coz it was tainted with Yoruba accent but her writing is so beautiful ! She writes in cursives! She went to a missionary school and paid close to nothing.

Think about it: If the Temple/Synagogue in Jesus time had a University and Peter and Luke were to write scholarship exams, who do you think would have gotten scholarship to study medicine? The system might have pronounced Peter a dullard and Luke as intelligent. Churces should think about Jesus first in all dealings.

They should build primary and secondary school that are still quite easier to manage and make it available to the masses. University education isn't the pinacle of success.

princfred:
Are you insinuating the church dont take offering from the poor and channel to those?

Well here is a good reply for you from Dolby. Read it slowly and carefully thrice for it can teach you moral sensitivity:


Alot of people have digressed from the point here but it's ok. Everyone wants to talk.

Is good upbringing and godly devotion meant for "the few poor but intelligent ones who can pass scholarships"?
Is Christ teachings meant for only class who can pay high fees??

The church shouldn't have set up institutions that can only be available to a select few in the society. Institutions that further widen the gap between the rich and the poor shouldn't have any place within the church.

My grandma was quite poor, her English wasn't so good coz it was tainted with Yoruba accent but her writing is so beautiful ! She writes in cursives! She went to a missionary school and paid close to nothing.

Think about it: If the Temple/Synagogue in Jesus time had a University and Peter and Luke were to write scholarship exams, who do you think would have gotten scholarship to study medicine? The system might have pronounced Peter a dullard and Luke as intelligent. Churces should think about Jesus first in all dealings.

They should build primary and secondary school that are still quite easier to manage and make it available to the masses. University education isn't the pinacle of success.

tee4naija:
All these are mere excuses for exorbitant fees charged by the universities.
If they were set up to teach Christian doctrines, are the doctrines for only the children of the rich?
If it is not the role of the Church to create wealth, provide jobs etc, where do they expect the graduates churned out yearly to get employment after paying such outrageous fees for 4-5 years?
Tell us why the Catholic church, Anglican church, Methodists church etc that brought education did not charge such fees back then and limited enrollment to the children of the rich?
Nothing anyone can say to defend the gluttonous proprietors of such institutions can eliminate the fact that they are only out to MAKE MONEY!

Leopantro:
At least you agree on some wrong doings done by some churches.
My questions are
1. MUST churches build universities? what happened to the definition of the word "church"? if churches now require physical buildings to impart the morals of Christianity then the orginal concept of the word "church" has bern forgotten.

2. with so many universities currently in the country and including those that secured higher qualifications outside the country, where are the jobs these graduates will occupy? people are lossing jobs left, right and center. people with masters and PH.d are working in banks and applying to be drivers in Dangote companies. if the graduates now cannot generate jobs for the populace, will it be the special graduates from these universities?

INDUSTRIALFAN:
stop talking trash. Missionaries that came to Africa build thousands of schools which where run free of any charge. Which one has the church built for free? Churches have various means of multimillion income so what stops them from taking from their other sources of income to run universities owned by them to enable the poor amongst them who contributed to the building of these universities to send their kids there? Truth they always say is bitter and the bitter truth is what Falz spat out.
Even if they must charge any money, is there anything wrong in giving scholarships to the poor among them or drastically reducing what a certain class of people among them have to pay?

lookingfly:
is it by force for churches to own universities or schools? I know you will say they're building better equipped schools for sound education. True, but it's inhumane for you collect monies from the less privilege in the name of building university and at the end these ppl can't send their children to the schools. If maintenance would be hard for these churches, don't build the schools in the first place.

Lordchuks23:
THIS IS A CASE OF ROBBING PETER TO PAY PUAL
ROBBING POOR MEMBER TO BENEFIT RICH MEMBER
Is either you are a pastor or one of their family,,,, because I don't know why you should forget about the church member that contributed for the establishment of these university, Catholic, Anglican, and all these autodox churches are the face of education in Africa, and most of this pastors are part of the beneficiary of the free education that was established by those Catholic, Anglican and other ages churches then, and you have a gut to ridicule the middle class and the poor that can't avoid this evil universities that was build with their hard earned money, don't forget there is God oooo(in mama p voice) the money that Rccg make in just a month is ×2 of what Oyo state government used to received as there monthly allocation, so why it is now difficult to run this universities with the price that the poor member will be able to avoid, don't forget you and your evil pastor belong to hell if you don't review this price and let it available for all member in your church,,,,,

princfred:
The question is which ones are we paying for for others like oyibo did? If they are not paying for others why have they not paid for those of their fellow blacks? Why dont they build orphanages, school of the blind, deaf or dumb. So many mad men roaming the streets without mental care. Where are the humanitarian buildings? Red cross etc was by Christian leaders first. But lets buy jets and build universities in the midst of these much more pressing needs .........and blame whites.

CodeTemplar:
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Wantedmiller:
pointless...... which cost are you talking about... if not pay the lectures, building, non academic staff and equip the school?

HigherEd:
You ask why churches build universities? That I'm sorry to say is very funny. The churches build universities to be able to pass the Christian ordinance into a youthful population. Having the opportunity to teach students the ways of God under the platform of secular education is too great an opportunity to pass by. To correct ills of the society by taking folks at their formative stage and serving as an incubation for their developments into morally equipped individuals with reverence and knowledge of God.

Now churches have been building universities even before the person who named Nigeria was born and even preceded the US government and European nations to establish them. The Harvard's, Yale, Notre dame, yonsei would never have existed without the church.



As per industry the church has no mandate in it. Why should the church build industries? To create wealth - it is not the role of the church to create wealth, To provide jobs - It is not the role of the church to provide jobs. Unlike Universities, industries don't serve any relevance to the mandate of the church or her gospel. Let Kings remain kings and priest remain priest.

The church continues to have a mandate in creating schools(especially primary and secondary), Orphanages, Rehabs and Hospitals. Skill acquisitions for members is ok, building income generating companies is taking it too far.



No church university in Nigeria today is for profit making. The most expensive one, Babcock is subsidized by 2% of her total budget by the adventist church. Apostolic church gives Crawford 350 million subsidy every year, CU gets above 2 billion grants from winners every year. Landmark has gotten 6 billion in the past few years(I can go on!)



Are Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Yonsei, Notre dame affordable to the poor? Shouldn't they have been created(by the church) because the poor couldn't afford them? Do you even know the purpose of creating universities. You think it is to share admission for people. Do you know the poor too would benefit most when the universities turn out great research, discoveries and product for the benefit of society?


Mockery? You sir are beginning to spout nonsense. The church universities which have run uninterrupted academic calendars, housed students like actual human beings, provided amenities the govt can't provide are suddenly the ones who are making a mockery of education. To take it further you are quite confused also. You just accused the church of profit mongering after slandering them for not investing in industries which are huge money spinners. It is safe to assume you would end up accusing the church of anything your imagination can create if they actually go into building industries. I know your type sir you would also accuse the church of building car industries with money of the poor while the poor can't afford it. Abi what are we supposed to do when we build cars that the poor can't afford. We should share the cars for free abi. After all with una thinking the church receives tithe and should be able to share free cars it produces

sangresan:
Oyinbo paid for us?

You think Oyinbo people were so generous?

Now, educate us....Tell us how Oyinbo people in Europe paid for our education rather than the fact that our fathers pooled resources together to educate their communities.
Which resources did our forefathers pool together and how did they do it? Was it your grandfather's that paid for the hospitals, schools, orphanages, roads etc that the white men built? Stop lying o.

Junior66:
You make sense oga. What I think we should be debating is whether churches should go into that sector or not because there do not make any profit there, in fact all church universities in Nigeria are a drain on the resources of the church contrary to the general belief that they make profits. In my opinion, churches should concentrate on some these things you listed. They touch people more than any university can.

londoner:
So, you're a Christian and you don't get what the story of the widow's mite is saying? Even in the church some people value the person with the most money because they are actually money minded more than anything else

Let them keep the little they have for themselves rather than them being guilted to give up what they actually can't afford to go without.

Inricash:
Ofcos someone needed to pay for it? and in this case the Church...

And that's why they were referred to as missionary schools...

No profit making schools if I must state that as well...


Now that you are done educating me, can you now tell me if your church school is a non profit making school?

HigherEd:
Did anybody force anybody to give towards universities. Or did any church promise free education before starting a university project. If you are not willing to support the church university then don't give.

Junior66:
After reading the original post and my comment you still believe Nigerian universities make profit? Can you help explain how universities make profit in Nigeria? Thank you. Provide details too.

loswhite:
lol...oyibo ppl made sacrifice and paid for black ppl to be given free education...now black ppl cannot pay for black ppl to get less expensive education...smh

Westbestside:
Just listen to yourself and ask yourself if you make sense.

AlphaMajestic:
ur one the people DATs always displaying foolishness anywhr dy like...oyibo Pple paid for the same oyibo Pple to teach u...so wat is not free about it ..if government pay teachers for government school to be free..is it not free then...is it until buhari comes to d class wid Cain Nd chalk DAT u will knw wat free is..mugu

RexTramadol1:
It's not a must to have a university.....simple.

princfred:
Are you blind, deaf and dumb that you don't know about hitherto free missionary schools and orphanages. Call the name of your village and will tell you the one nearest to it back then. So you get a clue what real missionary projects sounds like.

Junior66:
I believe you are a graduate, in which case I will say you srikk need more sense or education or both. Nothing, I repeat, nothing on earth is free. Somebody somewhere pays for it. Govt provides free education for you, it is only free for you, it is not free for the government because she has to pay for it. Both rich and port people paid for our fathers to be educated, it was free from our angle, bit it wasn't free from the eyes of the poor and rich Christians over in Europe who paid for it to be possible.

Junior66:
. Both rich and port people paid for our fathers to be educated, it was free from our angle, bit it wasn't free from the eyes of the poor and rich Christians over in Europe who paid for it to be possible.

DrayZee:
Jesse, Sapele, Ehiope West, Delta State.
See just carry your lies out of my face.

flamingREED:
Hence, the poor shouldn't be asking for a University they can't build or fund to be given to them.

Greed is idolatry.

princfred:
Which lies? You cant be calling me a lie and expect me to share information that can reset your dumb brain box to you. So go ask a village idiot in your village as he should be smarter than you anyway.

HigherEd:
It is sad that once again a Nigerian who ought to be a responsible mentor for Nigerian youths has towed the unfortunate path of Ignorance. In his recent music video, Fahlz called out Nigerian Churches for building universities with money of the poor yet made it unavailable for the poor due to "expensive" tuition.

This is one of the numerous emotional blackmail that churches in Nigeria are being subjected to. It is sad because one wonders if much of these accusers even realise what it takes to fund a mediocre university not to talk of a good one. In much of these debates and attacks against churches, most seem to abandon the facts rather they go feed on the lies and propaganda against the church which is an easy target because most churches rightly do not have PR teams or many individuals knowledgeable enough to defend them.

How Much Does It Cost To Run A Nigerian University
We would be using federal and state universities as a guide here due to the unavailability of data from mission universities.
In their underfunded states, the University of Ibadan's annual wage bill stands at 800 million naira/month translating to 10 billion naira/annum. Capital allocation to the university also stands at 1 billion naira/annum. While Tetfund's annual allocation stands at 2 billion naira per annum. Therefore all FG induced funding stands at 13 billion naira for a total number of 29,783 students which put total FG subsidy of UI at N437,000.00 per annum. This is excluding the IGR made by the university.
State universities on the other hand have a typical wage bill profile of about 5 billion a year. Example would be the likes of Lautech and EkSu with 390> million naira and 450 million naira as wage bill respectively.

If Governments are finding it hard to fund universities how would fahlz expect churches to do so exclusively?
Until recently Lautech was enmeshed in a serie of Industrial actions which was a result of the two owner state's inability to pay subvention for the university. Adekunle Ajasin on the other hand witnessed an internal crisis when state government had to hike the fees students where paying. All these are testament to the fact that university education is severely expensive to fund. So the intelligent questions that Fahlz should be asking is how state governments funded with Oil revenue, Compulsory Tax and a predictable income regime are finding it nearly impossible to properly fund single universities across their various states. Not why should churches who are funded by Voluntary donations and a nonconsistent income regime must fund free education.

There Are No Free Church Universities Anywhere In The World.
While most of the advocates of free church university education are quick to cite old missionaries as the reason why today's church must give free education it is curious as to why they refuse to cite free church universities in adavanced nations of the world today which currently practices free education. They cunningly make it sound as though tuition fees was invented by Nigerian pastors. But it is indeed far from the truth. The fact is that majority of the conventional churches across the globe funded or founded by churches charge way higher than their counterparts in Nigerian universities. Exceptions would be made of university cum seminaries which are usually also funded by churches.

"Church Universities Are Funded By The Poor" - A lie invented by Mischievous individuals
Half truths are equal to lies, to say that church universities are funded by the poor is to insinuate that they are exclusively funded by them. But that would be a lie because the obvious truth is that they are equally funded by the rich and middle class who in some cases don't even bother applying. Much of these self appointed advocates of the poor are in the reality hypocrites using poor people as a pawn in a dirty war game against the church.
University education is expensive everywhere and where it is free someone must be paying for it. Many of the hyocritic advocates of the poor make it seem as though poor people sell off their inheritances to gift to churches so as to build schools "that are for the rich". But in reality what most church members give to churches or university donations are negligible funds such as 50 - 500 naira. How many 50/100 naira notes are you going to pull together to replace one 800,000 required to educate one kid?


Nigerian Churches Should Continue Their Good works In The Higher Education Sector And Ignore Detractors.
The fact of the matter is that Nigerian churches provided over 30 universities which has given thousands of Nigerian youths the opportunity to study in a country with one of the lowest university per populations in the world. They've done that and have equally saved Nigeria millions in foreign exchange which erstwhile was lost to education tourism. They've funded researches in millions, owned research institutes which helped in curbing infectious disease and now even one now has a startup laboratory.


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princfred:
Where this dumb goat come out from de bleat chaff? Who said missionaries build free universities. Its like you forgot to wear your glasses before reading my posts.

I challenge you to show where i said missionaries built universities.

Abeg go piss for transformer if my posts de twist your brain.