ONY3KAH:
do your search there are still a lot of missionary sponsored secondary schools. Go to boko haram affected territories, the people taking care of the idp's are churches.... you guys should get your facts right before bashing churches.

Again, if thats what they are heavily focused on as it should be and not a mere side show, one shouldn't have to research to know them just like one dont have to research to know about the unis were huge funds enter. E.g I dont need to research to know about red cross.

princfred:


Are you insinuating the church dont take offering from the poor and channel to those?

Well here is a good reply for you from Dolby. Read it slowly and carefully thrice for it can teach you moral sensitivity:


Alot of people have digressed from the point here but it's ok. Everyone wants to talk.

Is good upbringing and godly devotion meant for "the few poor but intelligent ones who can pass scholarships"?
Is Christ teachings meant for only class who can pay high fees??

The church shouldn't have set up institutions that can only be available to a select few in the society. Institutions that further widen the gap between the rich and the poor shouldn't have any place within the church.

My grandma was quite poor, her English wasn't so good coz it was tainted with Yoruba accent but her writing is so beautiful ! She writes in cursives! She went to a missionary school and paid close to nothing.

Think about it: If the Temple/Synagogue in Jesus time had a University and Peter and Luke were to write scholarship exams, who do you think would have gotten scholarship to study medicine? The system might have pronounced Peter a dullard and Luke as intelligent. Churces should think about Jesus first in all dealings.

They should build primary and secondary school that are still quite easier to manage and make it available to the masses. University education isn't the pinacle of success.

You don't dissapoint.You can talk the living out of the dead my brother

princfred:
"Giving peanuts" Christ had to address such unchristianly demented warped orientation like yours when he talked about the widows mite. As a r*tard you never got to read nor understand that part. Tell your nefarious GO's and pastors to stop asking for and collecting peoples "peanuts" then even by twisted entire sermons just for that purpose.

Widowers might was reflected in heaven and to the men on earth. Stop applying daft logic.

kunleweb:



You don't dissapoint.You can talk the living out of the dead my brother

Thank you o.

Sheeple thread

HigherEd:

If you had sense you would ask how missionaries of old funded education. Up till the 1950s America w as still funding missions all over the world. So get it into ur brain today That missionaries of old were funded by their respective govt. And that is why foreign churches of today no longer offer those services because govt no longer funds churches.

is that the only thing you saw that I wrote up there? Counter the rest. Why can't these churches use the billions they make from church offerings, tithes and other establishments besides universities to run their universities? The money they use in running their private jets in a week is enough to take a lot of schools for atleast 2 weeks yet they decided they needed private jets to preach the gospel. Preach which gospel and to whom? What happened to flying business or first class when needed?

kunleweb:



You don't dissapoint.You can talk the living out of the dead my brother

Lol . My brother reason nam na. Wetin these people dey de and support, good? Yet they have the temerity to call those who speak up shenanigans.

CodeTemplar:
Widowers might was reflected in heaven and to the men on earth. Stop applying daft logic.

What manner of gibberish is that? Am not surprised you dont have enough brain cells to decipher the lesson of the widows mite. You need to change church because its been a waste of time attending the ones who are busy manipulating the poor to build universities for the rich than explaining the import of the widows might.

princfred:
Lol . My brother reason nam na. Wetin these people dey de and support good? Yet they have the temerity to call those who speak up shenanigans.

You spoke my brother.Your writings should tingle any reasonable human being's mind

princfred:
What manner of gibberish is that? Am not surprised you dont have enough brain cells to decipher the lesson of the widows mite. You need to change church because its been a waste of time attending the ones who are busy manipulating the poor to build universities for the rich than explaining the import of the widows might.

Hahahaha princefred you won't kill me.This took my two feet off the ground " manipulating the poor to build universities for the rich "

HigherEd:

Did anybody force anybody to give towards universities. Or did any church promise free education before starting a university project. If you are not willing to support the church university then don't give.

churches don't force people to give indeed....... But they can blackmail ppl to give right by telling them if they don't give, they will not be blessed or them not giving is robbing God abi. How many churches want to build a school and tells it's congregation that contributions for the project is not by force, that they should give only at their discretion? How many?

princfred:
Now was the money and gifts they gave used to fund the fund private projects affordable to only the rich among them? Why will they not be motivated to give when they know their pastors were not using their money to live in grandeurs opulence?

You think you're smarter than they are?

So long as the rich's son will be converted in that school, they know that they're shareholders, and God will pay them back in multiples.

The kingdom project is for all,
In anyway possible they can support it,
Irrespective of the target audience.

flamingREED:


It's not like the rich who give the most even have their kids in the schools,
And no Christian is under compulsion to support a project beyond their means.

But they'll rather give than give in to your pretentious concerns.


This is from 2nd Corinthians 8
2
KJV:How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
ESV:for in a severe test of affliction, their abundance of joy and their extreme poverty have overflowed in a wealth of generosity on their part.
NIV:In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity.
AMP:For in the midst of an ordeal of severe tribulation, their abundance of joy and their depth of poverty [together] have overflowed in wealth of lavish generosity on their part.
3
KJV:For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves;
ESV:For they gave according to their means, as I can testify, and beyond their means, of their own accord,
NIV:For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own,
AMP:For, as I can bear witness, [they gave] according to their ability, yes, and beyond their ability; and [they did it] voluntarily,
4
KJV:Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.
ESV:begging us earnestly for the favor of taking part in the relief of the saints—
NIV:they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the Lord’s people.
AMP:Begging us most insistently for the favor and the fellowship of contributing in this ministration for [the relief and support of] the saints [in Jerusalem].
5
KJV:And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.

People in church's in Nigeria/ Africa are groomed and give under duress through manipulative fear tactics designed to get them to part with their money. It's not about quoting bible verses, it's about the reality of what goes on in today's Nigerian church which is actually a hustle and money making venture for many if we are being honest.

Observe what is preached leading up to them asking for money. Whether it's donations or tithes, observe what is preached at the front first.

londoner:


People in church's in Nigeria/ Africa are groomed and give under duress through manipulative fear tactics designed to get them to part with their money. It's not about quoting bible verses, it's about the reality of what goes on in today's Nigerian church which is actually a hustle and money making venture for many if we are being honest.

Observe what is preached leading up to them asking for money. Whether it's donations or tithes, observe what is preached at the front first.

Giving is not mandatory beyond one's means.. Yet a widow can be encouraged to cast in her mite to the kingdom project.

It indeed is by quoting Bible verses we discern between righteousness and zeal without knowledge.

ladygudhead:
The rich and the poor funded to build the university together. Don't be sentimental as against the rich. People will be sounding it as if the poor were robbed to build schools that the rich did not contribute to. A and B was called to build a sophisticated and better school of learning. Both A and B contributed without constrianed feeling...After the project, it was seen and understood that such standard can only be run by not-a-cheap cash. B was able to afford it, A was'nt (but A can stand a chance in terms of scholarship and other incentives). Hurray! ...and they each lived happily everafter!!!

Long time, have you been able to overcome the depression issue?

flamingREED:



Giving is not mandatory beyond one's means.. Yet a widow can be encouraged to cast in her mite to the kingdom project.

It indeed is by quoting Bible verses we discern between righteousness and zeal without knowledge.

You can say all the 'Christian type talk' you want. The reality is it is just coercion, manipulation and fear tactics the extract money.
It's like someone ( an agbero)who comes to a shop owner and threatens them, their family and their shop if they don't give money. Is it mandatory! No, is it bullied and coerced out of the shop owner using fear of the consequences, yes.

Whether tithes or offerings they preach hail and brimstone to those that don't give. Quoting the Bible is one thing, living the spirit of what it says is another.

plavic:


Long time, have you been able to overcome the depression issue?

Oh dear. i'm pulling through by His grace. Thank you very much . Still small challenge though.

ladygudhead:
Oh dear. i'm pulling through by His grace. Thank you very much . Still small challenge though.

What challenge is that?

plavic:
What challenge is that?

I would'nt to say it here.

CodeTemplar:
Widowers might was reflected in heaven and to the men on earth. Stop applying daft logic.

Jesuuu!!!

DoblyYou:

Jesuuu!!!

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londoner:


You can say all the 'Christian type talk' you want. The reality is it is just coercion, manipulation and fear tactics the extract money.
It's like someone ( an agbero)who comes to a shop owner and threatens them, their family and their shop if they don't give money. Is it mandatory! No, is it bullied and coerced out of the shop owner using fear of the consequences, yes.

Whether tithes or offerings they preach hail and brimstone to those that don't give. Quoting the Bible is one thing, living the spirit of what it says is another.

Robbing God in tithes is sin.

You can walk to the gates of hell and find it out for yourself.

flamingREED:


You think you're smarter than they are?

So long as the rich's son will be converted in that school, they know that they're shareholders, and God will pay them back in multiples.

The kingdom project is for all,
In anyway possible they can support it,
Irrespective of the target audience.

I know am smart. I also know you prefer me to be dumb and deceptive like you?

So the poor man's son shouldn't be able to afford the chance of being converted there abi? Imagine if the missionaries spewed this nonsense instead of doing what they did. If they give these business center church leaders chance, only rich people will book heaven then the poor can literally go to hell.

My friend if everyone cant get access then better get the rich to build for only poor people exclusively to be converted and see how it sounds. Abi the rich no wan make God pay them in multiples?

ladygudhead:
I would'nt to say it here.

I thought here is discrete enough?
Alright, send a pm to my mail. plavic94@gmail.com

kunleweb:



Hahahaha princefred you won't kill me.This took my two feet off the ground " manipulating the poor to build universities for the rich "

Thats basically what is going on. Imagine if that was how Christ, the apostles and missionaries ran the religion if people would have given their lives for it or if e for expand beyond Isreal?

Whites carry better religion which helped meliorate the negative effect of capitalism with humanitarianism and welfare for the poor, come Africa, show them example finish go only for Africans to turn around and use their selfishness render the religion inconsequential.

Not as many churches in developed nations but the much manage to balance capitalism by infusing humanitarianism and a look out for the poor into the sphere but Nigeria with churches littered every corner can't counter the effect of greed and exploitation of the rich by the poor ideology because the church tacitly fuel such mindless mindset.

princfred:
Thats basically what is going on. Imagine if that was how Christ, the apostles and missionaries ran the religion if people would have given their lives for it or if e for expand beyond Isreal?

Whites carry better religion which helped meliorate the negative effect of capitalism with humanitarianism and welfare for the poor, come Africa, show them example finish go only for Africans to turn around and use their selfishness render the religion inconsequential.

Not as many churches in developed nations but the much manage to balance capitalism by infusing humanitarianism and a look out for the poor into the sphere but Nigeria with churches littered every corner can't counter the effect of greed and exploitation of the rich by the poor ideology because the church tacitly fuel such mindless mindset.

There's need for a balancing system to re-align the extremes. But what do we do ?

kunleweb:



There's need for a balancing system to re-align the extremes. But what do we do ?

We start by no longer keeping mute and revealing the truth, then pointing forward suggestions and ideas that hopefully will get be heard by the GO someday. Hopefully, God will touch their hearts and they will..CHANGE .

Raw capitalism has negative consequences if not balanced by some humanitarian ideology. Such humanitarian ideology can be imbibed by individual when they behold church leadership dedicated and highly committed to bringing certain socialistic upliftment apparatus within the reach of the poor. In contrast, if the church fails to bring such to the social and ideological table, where will individuals learn it from? Then it will be a case of "chop whoever you can anyhow you can" as seen in Nigeria.

plavic:


I thought here is discrete enough?

Alright, send a pm to my mail. plavic94@gmail.com

Ok Check your mail please. plavic

princfred:
We start by no longer keeping mute and revealing the truth, then pointing forward suggestions and ideas that hopefully will get be heard by the GO someday. Hopefully, God will touch their hearts and they will..CHANGE .

Raw capitalism has negative consequences if not balanced by some humanitarian ideology. Such humanitarian ideology can be imbibed by individual when they behold church leadership dedicated and highly committed to bringing certain socialistic upliftment apparatus within the reach of the poor. In contrast, if the church fails to bring such to the social and ideological table, where will individuals learn it from? Then it will be a case of "chop whoever you can anyhow you can" as seen in Nigeria.

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Truth be told i've been taking note of all you've be saying my brother. You;re dropping hot revelations o. These words of yours are cutting deep and can only be embraced and accepted by only the few discerning. If we look beyond the heroics of the so-called fathers around, these guys have failed the kingdom big time. It's time for systemic change, a shock that triggers a sharp reaction and re-think.I align with your positions but if you could criticize these men albeit more slightly, i'll really appreciate it. In doing good we must not leave our rears unguarded by over-reacting which could result into condemnation. I think this is where i should ask for your contact as we almost always have photocopied views on issues of life. If you don't mind chilling to talk, i'ld like us both to hook up. Are you in Nigeria/Lagos?

ladygudhead:
Ok Check your mail please. plavic

I have responded..

princfred:

I know am smart. I also know you prefer me to be dumb and deceptive like you?

So the poor man's son shouldn't be able to afford the chance of being converted there abi? Imagine if the missionaries spewed this nonsense instead of doing what they did. If they give these business center church leaders chance, only rich people will book heaven then the poor can literally go to hell.

My friend if everyone cant get access then better get the rich to build for only poor people exclusively to be converted and see how it sounds. Abi the rich no wan make God pay them in multiples?

Poverty is not God's fault.

A Rich man/his son converted is still a plus for the poor.
A Rich man's faith is very influential.

Imagine president Buhari and his children getting born again.

But consider what they commit without being saved.
They can burn a whole country down.

author=HigherEd post=67918443]
We are simply asking many of these entitled folks to tell us where you got your ideas of an utopia where church uni run without charging fees. Yale, Princeton, Harvard came into the argument because they were founded by churches of their clergies. But if you think that is too hard to process then tell us how Yonsei, regeant, pepperdine, Oral Roberts uni, biola uni, Loyola Marymount uni, oakwood uni, villanova uni, leeward, Georgetown uni, St Andrews uni all founded and in many cases still run by churches charge millions of naira that dwarf the tuition of Nigerian church unis.
Why are people in those countries not screaming like many of the idiots in Nigeria. Maybe it's because they understand a thing or two about what it cost to run a university.

Why are their poor not screaming blue murder against the church for allowing their unis charge them thousands of dollars in fees which results in ppl taking back breaking loans to pay. Their poor also pay tithe and offerings, not to talk of the huge financial aid their govt still gives to private universities. Catholic uni of Notre dame collected millions of USD from US every year yet the school fees is 45,000USD.

The best private uni in Africa is American Univ of Cairo which charges 14,000USD while Covenant is the second and charges about 3,000USD. Let that sink in.

DrayZee CodeTemplar made important point on the so called call for industries. And let me reiterate that many universities funded by churches even have more employees than some industries. But be rest assured that when churches go into industries you would hear demonic things like "how can church build an auto industry when members can't afford the cars they make." That's the insanity of the Nigerian populace they deliberately forget the churches to employ ppl through universities and draw out the fact that poor people can't attend. Covenant for instance has over 2000 families feeding from it. But no let's forget that and foigonthe 850,000 fees that the poor cannot pay.[/quote]

Highered shut up ... U want to compare $3000 to $45000.
3000 dollars is more than 800000 naira in Nigeria.
45000 dollars in chicken change to them. An avenge American make $200 a day if u don't know. They get paid an hour unlike us we wait to month end.
Harvard university is not a Christian own university


How was Harvard University founded?
Harvard University was founded in 1636 colonial America by the General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. The school was initially created to educate members of the clergy, according to the university’s archives. Harvard is named after a Puritan minister – John Harvard – who, in 1638, left his 400-book library and half of his estate to the young school. The first commencement ceremony at Harvard, held in 1642, had nine graduates.

And it a non profit university un like covenant

Since it is a private, nonprofit institution, Harvard University doesn’t have an owner like a for-profit company does. In terms of its governance structure, Harvard has two boards – the Harvard Corporation and the Board of Overseers – that govern the university and determine its future policies and plans.
Stop lying.