ssaengine:


Just accept and move on. You're arguing with someone who probably has more experience than you in spotting a scam.

You have a point!!

I bring SAS GALESHEWE as peace offering.......Lets move the discussion to the discussion thread.

Or we can just carry on where we were and ruin this thread, after all it is Henry's thread and he can do with it as he wishes.

Nigerian navy SBS operators

Nigerian Navy

J-20 Cockpit

Henry. are the J10 and J20 proven birds?

Henry240:
J-20 Cockpit

kenpaul0:
Henry. are the J10 and J20 proven birds?

OFF-TOPIC

If you mean proven in combat, No. However that's because unlike the US and Russia, the Chinese operate a non-military interference policy.

However based on publicly available data, military training and airshow displays, both the J-10 and J-20 are on Paris with the best Western and Eastern jets.

Henry240:

However based on publicly available data, military training and airshow displays, both the J-10 and J-20 are on Paris with the best Western and Eastern jets.

"Publicaly available data tells us the capabilities of highly classified aircraft and their highly classified capabilities"

patches689:


"Publicaly available data tells us the capabilities of highly classified aircraft and their highly classified capabilities"

In the cave you live in South-Africa, there is no data of the J-10 or J-20 available to the public right?

Oh well, in Nigeria data on the J-10 is accessible, even though data on the J-20 is limited, it is still available.

Nigerian army Combat footage

IED detonation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38StSm3n5NM

Henry240:


In the cave you live in South-Africa, there is no data of the J-10 or J-20 available to the public right?

Oh well, in Nigeria data on the J-10 is accessible, even though data on the J-20 is limited, it is still available.

"The chinese de-classified J-10 and J-20 data specifically for Nigeria"

Sure thing bud.

Henry240:
Nigerian army Combat footage
IED detonation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38StSm3n5NM

very lucky fellows. those IED are really a pain in the ass

Henry240:
Nigerian army Combat footage

IED detonation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38StSm3n5NM

Nice video.

Am proud of these gallant soldiers.

SF South Africa

Extra...

Henry240:


Oh well, in xxxxxx data on the J-10 is accessible, even though data on the J-20 is limited, it is still available.

Well since u clearly have access to the data

Please share j-10 data only regarding its

1.lift to drag ratio
2.lift coefficient
3.sustained turn rate
4.thrust to weight ratio
5.wing loading
6.instantaneous turn rate
7.angle of attack rate
8.climb rate
9.relative energy state
10.drag coefficient
11.specific excess power
12.combat cycle time
13.pitch agility
14.lateral agility
15.axial agility

(Feel free to add extra info if u want)

Over all the relevant flight profiles

I will be eagerly waiting , ur a god sent - a angel ( only after I get the data with the proofs )

Thank u very much

Kenyan paratroopers

Africa Truck project still on the cards

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-51898/

New trucks for the army from next year!!

nemesis8u:




Well since u clearly have access to the data

Please share j-10 data only regarding its

1.lift to drag ratio
2.lift coefficient
3.sustained turn rate
4.thrust to weight ratio
5.wing loading
6.instantaneous turn rate
7.angle of attack rate
8.climb rate
9.relative energy state
10.drag coefficient
11.specific excess power
12.combat cycle time
13.pitch agility
14.lateral agility
15.axial agility

(Feel free to add extra info if u want)

Over all the relevant flight profiles

I will be eagerly waiting , ur a god sent - a angel ( only after I get the data with the proofs )

Thank u very much

We don't want to tell you joor.

nemesis8u:




Well since u clearly have access to the data

Please share j-10 data only regarding its

1.lift to drag ratio
2.lift coefficient
3.sustained turn rate
4.thrust to weight ratio
5.wing loading
6.instantaneous turn rate
7.angle of attack rate
8.climb rate
9.relative energy state
10.drag coefficient
11.specific excess power
12.combat cycle time
13.pitch agility
14.lateral agility
15.axial agility

(Feel free to add extra info if u want)

Over all the relevant flight profiles

I will be eagerly waiting , ur a god sent - a angel ( only after I get the data with the proofs )

Thank u very much

Are these not publicly available data on the J-10? Or you mean to tell me you don't know what the term data/specs/statistics mean?


Sometimes some of you come online and act stupidly.



Crew: 1[29]
Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
Wing area: 33 m² (356.3 ft²)
Empty weight: 8,850 kg (21,495 lb[51])
Useful load: 6,000 kg[51] (13,200lb)
Loaded weight: 12,400 kg (28,600 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [29][51] (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A turbofan
Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 19,000 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN / 130 kN (27,999 lbf / 29,000 lbf)
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.8[52]
Combat radius: 550 km[51] (342 mi)
Ferry range: 1,850 km[51] (1,150 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m[51] (59,055 ft)
Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.15 (with AL-31FN3); 1.16 (with WS-10B)
Maximum g-load: +9/–3 g[51]
Armament

Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23
Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 7,000 kg (15,400 lb) external fuel and ordnance[28]
Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles:
PL-8
PL-9
PL-11
PL-12
Air-to-surface missiles:
PJ-9
YJ-9K
Bombs:
Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg
Others:
Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time
Avionics

Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar
Externally mounted avionics pods:
Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod

@Gottfried a year or two back u mentioned that an aircraft shed at Grootfontein AFB collapsed damaging some aircraft,I didnt really pay attention till i compared 2013 & 2016 aerials of the AFB,any idea on the aircraft damaged

Henry240:


Are these not publicly available data on the J-10? Or you mean to tell me you don't know what the term data/specs/statistics mean?


Sometimes some of you come online and act stupidly.



Crew: 1[29]
Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
Wing area: 33 m² (356.3 ft²)
Empty weight: 8,850 kg (21,495 lb[51])
Useful load: 6,000 kg[51] (13,200lb)
Loaded weight: 12,400 kg (28,600 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [29][51] (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A turbofan
Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 19,000 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN / 130 kN (27,999 lbf / 29,000 lbf)
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.8[52]
Combat radius: 550 km[51] (342 mi)
Ferry range: 1,850 km[51] (1,150 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m[51] (59,055 ft)
Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.15 (with AL-31FN3); 1.16 (with WS-10B)
Maximum g-load: +9/–3 g[51]
Armament

Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23
Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 7,000 kg (15,400 lb) external fuel and ordnance[28]
Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles:
PL-8
PL-9
PL-11
PL-12
Air-to-surface missiles:
PJ-9
YJ-9K
Bombs:
Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg
Others:
Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time
Avionics

Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar
Externally mounted avionics pods:
Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod

Sorry for my stupidity

iblawi:


We don't want to tell you joor.

Too late the secret is out

Wi..............

Henry240:


Are these not publicly available data on the J-10? Or you mean to tell me you don't know what the term data/specs/statistics mean?


Sometimes some of you come online and act stupidly.



Crew: 1[29]
Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
Wing area: 33 m² (356.3 ft²)
Empty weight: 8,850 kg (21,495 lb[51])
Useful load: 6,000 kg[51] (13,200lb)
Loaded weight: 12,400 kg (28,600 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [29][51] (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A turbofan
Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 19,000 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN / 130 kN (27,999 lbf / 29,000 lbf)
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.8[52]
Combat radius: 550 km[51] (342 mi)
Ferry range: 1,850 km[51] (1,150 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m[51] (59,055 ft)
Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.15 (with AL-31FN3); 1.16 (with WS-10B)
Maximum g-load: +9/–3 g[51]
Armament

Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23
Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 7,000 kg (15,400 lb) external fuel and ordnance[28]
Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles:
PL-8
PL-9
PL-11
PL-12
Air-to-surface missiles:
PJ-9
YJ-9K
Bombs:
Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg
Others:
Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time
Avionics

Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar
Externally mounted avionics pods:
Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod

You still haven't answer his questions.

You created your own questions and answered them yourself ignoring his.

Xbee007:

You still haven't answer his questions.

You created your own questions and answered them yourself ignoring his.

Read my initial post, i said publicly available. Is the data he is asking for publicly available?

What i provided is publicly available.

Henry240:


In the cave you live in South-Africa, there is no data of the J-10 or J-20 available to the public right?

Oh well, in Nigeria data on the J-10 is accessible, even though data on the J-20 is[b] limited[/b], it is still available.

Xbee007:

You still haven't answer his questions.

You created your own questions and answered them yourself ignoring his.

He said based on publicly available data. Manufacturers do release some of these data for public use. You definitely just can't confirm their claims or dispute it.

Aircraft public data are range, rcs, t:r, lift /drag, ITR, MTOW, COMBAT radius etc.

Are they not public?

Henry240:

Read my initial post, i said publicly available. Is the data he is asking for publicly available?

What i provided is publicly available.

Yeah, that is the point of the argument.

The most crucial info are most likely not publicly available.

What we mostly see on the internet are the basic info.

data
ˈ
deɪtə/Submit
noun

facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis.
"there is very little data available"
synonyms: facts, figures, statistics, details, particulars, specifics, features; More
the quantities, characters, or symbols on which operations are performed by a computer, which may be stored and transmitted in the form of electrical signals and recorded on magnetic, optical, or mechanical recording media.



Definition of public - of or concerning the people as a whole, done, perceived, or existing in open view, of or provided by the state rather than an inde.




seems we are having comprehension issues in the thread.

Xbee007:

Yeah, that is the point of the argument.

The most crucial info are most likely not publicly available.

What we mostly see on the internet are the basic info.

That's why i clearly said right from the start, publicly available. If it is not an open source information, how do oi know what it is?

Henry240:
data
ˈ
deɪtə/Submit
noun

facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis.
"there is very little data available"
synonyms: facts, figures, statistics, details, particulars, specifics, features; More
the quantities, characters, or symbols on which operations are performed by a computer, which may be stored and transmitted in the form of electrical signals and recorded on magnetic, optical, or mechanical recording media.

Definition of public - of or concerning the people as a whole, done, perceived, or existing in open view, of or provided by the state rather than an inde.


seems we are having comprehension issues in the thread.

This is what u wrote

Henry240:


However based on publicly available data, military training and airshow displays, both the J-10 and J-20 are on Paris with the best Western and Eastern jets.

I asked for those specific data because of what u wrote above.

I thought that the data regarding j-10 which I had asked for is available to u ie u had access to publicly available info. Internet is vast, lots of things available publicly but not everyone is able to find them.

Without those data how where u able to compare between any 2 aircrafts in terms of atleast kinematic performance

The confidence u showed gave me the hope that u had access to all those relevent data

Importantly how am I supposed to know that u compare military systems as complex as fighter aircraft's based on publically available Wikipedia data

Lesson learnt

nemesis8u:


Sorry for my stupidity

But ordinary 3rd-Gen pulse Doppler radar on the
J-10? I thought China was a serious country.