festwiz:
The butterf-lying-lion has arrived the thread. Arrividecci.

I hope you haven't munched on some ancient herb from another planet and under its effects.

If I wanted to say anything distracting to the OP I would have. I rather want him to be focused and finish. I believe the OP had a pattern of presentation on his mind prior to opening this thread but somehow he seems to have been shifted from that by the many disturbances.

If you did not understand my message and motives then kindly shut up and indeed arrividecci.

SoundLock please continue.

SoundLock:


The changes that occurred from during the evolution of humans weren't gradual; they were dramatic, unprecedented and they occurred during a very short span of time. Please read my earlier comments where I touched on the time periods.

The way people like you speak about evolution is what makes most people unable to accept your claims. You speak of the development of new features like it's some usual thing that occurs frequently in complex multicellular creatures like mammals. It doesn't matter the environmental changes that ensue, as long as mutations don't occur, evolution doesn't occur -- And mutations occur quite rarely, and most mutations are negative and harmful and they usually do not get passed down through reproduction. The ones that do are practically a miracle and before they become predominant within a population, it takes time. Are you trying to tell me that between 700,000 years and 300,000 years, humans evolved all those features I mentioned all within the same period of time, even when other prehuman creatures were around in their characteristic anatomical form?

do you understand how the carbon cycle works and how it can affect the environment? One thing sure is that carbon cycle plays a key role in the environment and it highly affected by human activities, with the rate we influence the cycle, I won't be surprised if the rate of evolution of humans increases by triple folds in about 100,000 years else we go into extinction.

Meanwhile, I really don't want to convince you on anything, I just need you to provide scientific proof to your claim, I won't believe you based on speculations and assumptions.

nwabekeyi:
has there been footages or images of Sasquatches, before science dismiss a claim, it has to be baseless as evidences were not given and the verge to search for evidences were futile. All research points towards the fact that bigfoot is a hoax.

Bear it mind that science doesn't have the answers to all, if you have evidence strong enough to your claim, even the dullest scientists would not be able to refute it. So I ask again, has there been any footage or fossils records of this creature? Until then, science cannot adopt it

I want to say something that might seem a bit offensive, but I don't mean it to be.

You seem to be a bit naive concerning your understanding of truth in our modern world, especially within the confines of the subject that we are discussing. Science is an institution and one that is regulated by certain interests and some of these interests have a goal and sometimes this goal is to maintain the status quo and suppress dissension. You might disagree with this but I've read statements written by a lot of scholars especially in the field of anthropology and archeology who have lost their jobs because they stepped outside the contemporary historical paradigm and challenged it, in spite of warnings not to. Scientific papers are usually peer reviewed and research is usually funded. If your research isn't adjudged to be worth funding it won't be funded. Most scientists are just people like you and I who have families and just want to survive and provide for their loved ones, so they'd see no point putting their careers at risk to validate some fringe claim that could demolish the historical paradigm that certain high level interests want to maintain.

We live in a world were claims that have been discredited as false were later on confessed to be true by the same institutions that forcibly rejected them as conspiratorial and hoaxes. History is replete with instances of these.

If a single person comes to you and tells you that they encountered a creature that fits the description of Bigfoot, of course it'd be reasonable to dismiss their claim. If someone else says the same thing, well, you could also dismiss the claim since there isn't any evidence besides their account. But if over 1000 people in different locations around the world all give similar corroborating accounts, it would be intellectually dishonest to just dismiss all their claims as hoaxes don't you think? It wouldn't mean that you would accept the claims as true, but it should at least cause you to have an open mind, which you don't seem to have.

By the way, I posted links to actual documented accounts of other creatures like bigfoot that have been captured and killed in our recent past. You should read especially about the story of Zana the Alma that was captured by a Russian village in the 19th century. If these documented stories are factual, which they are, then it gives some credence to the bigfoot accounts.

I think I've done a good job in laying out my arguments for my first proposition. I'll move on to laying out arguments for my second proposition which is: That aliens have existed in our past and even contemporarily.

SoundLock:


I want to say something that might seem a bit offensive, but I don't mean it to be.

You seem to be a bit naive concerning your understanding of truth in our modern world, especially within the confines of the subject that we are discussing. Science is an institution and one that is regulated by certain interests and some of these interests have a goal and sometimes this goal is to maintain the status quo and suppress dissension. You might disagree with this but I've read statements written by a lot of scholars especially in the field of anthropology and archeology who have lost their jobs because they stepped outside the contemporary historical paradigm and challenged it, in spite of warnings not to. Scientific papers are usually peer reviewed and research is usually funded. If your research isn't adjudged to be worth funding it won't be funded.
Most scientists are just people like you and I who have families and just want to survive and provide for their loved ones, so they'd see no point putting their careers at risk to validate some fringe claim that could demolish the historical paradigm that certain high level interests want to maintain.

We live in a world were claims that have been discredited as false were later on confessed to be true by the same institutions that forcibly rejected them as conspiratorial and hoaxes. History is replete with instances of these.

If a single person comes to you and tells you that they encountered a creature that fits the description of Bigfoot, of course it'd be reasonable to dismiss their claim. If someone else says the same thing, well, you can also dismiss the claim since there isn't any evidence besides their account, but if over 1000 people in different locations around the world all give similar corroborating accounts, it would be intellectually dishonest to just dismiss all these claims as hoaxes don't you think? It wouldn't mean that you would accept the claim as true, but it should at least cause you to have an open mind, which you don't seem to have.

By the way, I posted links to actual documented accounts of other creatures like bigfoot that have been captured and killed in our recent past. You should read especially about the story of Zana the Alma that was captured by a Russian village in the 19th century. If these are factual, which they are, then it gives some credence to the bigfoot accounts.

sorry sir, only naive people think a huge animal like bigfoot will exist in the wilderness of North America over years without any scientific encounter sir.

A huge animal like bigfoot would need a large population to maintain its existwnce hence would have been sighted not by mere speculations and unconfirmable claims.

Meanwhile, I also think you are very naive about how science works to think you can convince anybody into succumbing to your personal emotions with mere hypotheses.

Let me share with you how Darwin moth of Madagascar was discovered, an orchid in Madagascar called Angraecum sesquipedale was discovered, it has an exceptionally long nectary (getting on for 30 cm) and in a book on orchid pollination, Darwin suggested that this extreme feature may have evolved alongside a moth with an exceptionally long tongue to pollinate it. No one agreed to Darwin's hypothesis because it lacked proof but as most scientists are sure of the possibilities of this co-evolution but still, they needed proofs. The moth was never discovered until after 150years and was named after Darwin.

The point is, you can't come up with unfactual hypotheses about bigfoot and when I try to question the "hypotheses" you tag me naive. You are obviously the person that doesn't know how things work in th world of science.

I really didn't want to tell you but you really do not understand the complexities of science, your assumptions are from shallow knowledge else, it's simple for any scientist to understand why a faster rate of environmental changes will influence evolution.

nwabekeyi:
sorry sir, only naive people think a huge animal like bigfoot will exist in the wilderness of North America over years without any scientific encounter sir.

A huge animal like bigfoot would need a large population to maintain its existwnce hence would have been sighted not by mere speculations and unconfirmable claims.

Meanwhile, I also think you are very naive about how science works to think you can convince anybody into succumbing to your personal emotions with mere hypotheses.

Let me share with you how Darwin moth of Madagascar was discovered, an orchid in Madagascar called Angraecum sesquipedale was discovered, it has an exceptionally long nectary (getting on for 30 cm) and in a book on orchid pollination, Darwin suggested that this extreme feature may have evolved alongside a moth with an exceptionally long tongue to pollinate it. No one agreed to Darwin's hypothesis because it lacked proof but as most scientists are sure of the possibilities of this co-evolution but still, they needed proofs. The moth was never discovered until after 150years and was named after Darwin.

The point is, you can't come up with unfactual hypotheses about bigfoot and when I try to question the "hypotheses" you tag me naive. You are obviously the person that doesn't know how things work in th world of science.

I really didn't want to tell you but you really do not understand the complexities of science, your assumptions are from shallow knowledge else, it's simple for any scientist to understand why a faster rate of environmental changes will influence evolution.

I didn't tag you as naive in relation to bigfoot claim, I tagged you as naive due to your overall perception of truth and evidence when investigating claims on paradigm shifting topics, and I explained why.

Did you read the documented accounts on the link I posted about other bigfoot-like creatures that have been captured in modern times?

The environment had been experiencing drastic changes for over 2 million years before our evolution, and the anatomical and physiological features of pre-humans remained relatively similar. It only took less than 400,000 years for humans to evolve entirely new features never seen before and you say this is natural? If the environment caused those miraculous transformations to occur, why then did the same creatures we evolved from still remain in their characteristic form alongside us without even a slight change? You don't seem to be engaging with my arguments at all. All you do is just claim I lack scientific knowledge and assert some environmental speculative argument.

Do you even know how mutation works? If yes, what are the chances that mutations would occur successfully at different parts of the anatomical and physiological structures of a set of primates within such short period of time?

SoundLock:


I didn't tag you as naive in relation to bigfoot claim, I tagged you as naive due to your overall perception of truth and evidence when investigating claims on paradigm shifting topics, and I explained why.

Did you read the documented accounts on the link I posted about other bigfoot-like creatures that have been captured in modern times?

The environment had been experiencing drastic changes for over 2 million years before our evolution, and the anatomical and physiological features of pre-humans remained relatively similar. It only took less that 400,000 years for humans to evolve entirely new features never seen before and you say this is natural? If the environment caused those miraculous transformations to occur, why then did the same creatures we evolved from still remain in their characteristic form alongside us without even a slight change? You don't seem to be engaging with my arguments at all. All you do is just claim I lack scientific knowledge and assert some environmental speculative argument.

Do you even know how mutation works? If yes, what are the chances that mutations would occur successfully at different parts of the anatomical and physiological structures of a set of primates within short period of time?

lol, do I know about how mutation works?
Stop saying hominids cannot elvove over that short period, it makes you sound very unscientific. If a typical bacteria can mutate and come with population that can resist a particular drug over a short period of time, as short as one decade then why then do you think animals can evolve to adapt to a changing condition over hundreds of thousands of years.

I can't believe I'm arguing this with you, it's simple. Go and study bacteria growth in batch culture to see how natural DNA transformation can happen in a short while in the presence of changing environmental conditions. All organisms are the same at the molecular Level, what applies to a bacteria can also be applied to a human cell if the conditions are appropriate.

We are talking too much about it because you don't want to understand how it works.

SoundLock:
I think I've done a good job in laying out my arguments for my first proposition. I'll move on to laying out arguments for my second proposition which is: That aliens have existed in our past and even contemporarily.

go on please

nwabekeyi:
lol, do I know about how mutation works?
Stop saying hominids cannot elvove over that short period, it makes you sound very unscientific. If a typical bacteria can mutate and come with population that can resist a particular drug over a short period of time, as short as one decade then why then do you think animals can evolve to adapt to a changing condition over hundreds of thousands of years.

I can't believe I'm arguing this with you, it's simple. Go and study bacteria growth in batch culture to see how natural DNA transformation can happen in a short while in the presence of changing environmental conditions. All organisms are the same at the molecular Level, what applies to a bacteria can also be applied to a human cell if the conditions are appropriate.

We are talking too much about it because you don't want to understand how it works.

"If" is the word as rightly uses by you.

Somehow these conditions were not appropriate for millions of years but suddenly became appropriate within a period of 400,000 years or so and was SPECIFICALLY appropriate for PARTICULARLY humans but not for any other "evolving" specie.

Can you show me any other specie of living thing that experienced this accelerated evolutionary process alongside man?

nwabekeyi:
lol, do I know about how mutation works?
Stop saying hominids cannot elvove over that short period, it makes you sound very unscientific. If a typical bacteria can mutate and come with population that can resist a particular drug over a short period of time, as short as one decade then why then do you think animals can evolve to adapt to a changing condition over hundreds of thousands of years.

I can't believe I'm arguing this with you, it's simple. Go and study bacteria growth in batch culture to see how natural DNA transformation can happen in a short while in the presence of changing environmental conditions. All organisms are the same at the molecular Level, what applies to a bacteria can also be applied to a human cell if the conditions are appropriate.

We are talking too much about it because you don't want to understand how it works.

Are you seriously comparing a unicellular, prokaryotic organism with a mammal? I actually understand how evolution works. I've read most of Dawkin's books and other books on evolution by modern scientists. I'm not arguing out of ignorance. You on the other hand seem to not understand the subject as much as you think.

Do you understand how mutation works in mammals? Do you know how many series of successful mutations(and I'm using successful because over 95% of mutations are fatal) it would take to effect a single observable anatomical change in a mammal?

For over 300,000 years, humans have remained relatively the same. Not even a single anatomical alteration. Our skulls and bones are still as they were 300,000 years ago. And you are trying to tell me that within almost the same period of time, prehuman primates evolved a protruded forehead, a larger prefrontal cortex, a depression of the brow ridges that have been present for over 2.3 million years, the loss of eye features that aid nocturnal sight, loss of thick body hair, the evolution of speech and the cognitive instinct for speech, a larger brain, shortening of the arm length, a change in the configuration of the throat, the change in jaw shape, transformation of the nasal structure, the complete change of bone size and density among other changes, and that these changes occurred naturally?

SoundLock:


Are you seriously comparing a unicellular, prokaryotic organism with a mammal? I actually understand how evolution works. I've read most of Darwkin's books and other books on evolution by modern scientists. I'm not arguing out of ignorance. You on the other hand seem to not understand the subject as much as you think.

Do you understand how mutation works in mammals? Do you know how many series of successful mutations(and I'm using successful because over 95% of mutations are fatal) it would take to effect a single observable anatomical change in a mammal?

For over 300,000 years, humans have remained relatively the same. Not even a single anatomical alteration. Our skulls and bones are still as they were 300,000 years ago. And you are trying to tell me that within almost the same period of time, prehuman primates evolved a protruded forehead, a larger prefrontal cortex, a depression of the brow ridges that have been present for over 2.3 million years, the loss of eye features that aid nocturnal sight, loss of thick body hair, the evolution of speech and the cognitive instinct for speech, a larger brain, shortening of the arm length, a change in the configuration of the throat, the change in jaw shape, transformation of the nasal structure, the complete change of bone size and density among other changes, and that these changes occurred naturally?

Go through, I think it will explain better to you what I have been trying to explain

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hominids-adapt-to-past-climate-change/

Butterflyleo:


"If" is the word as rightly uses by you.

Somehow these conditions were not appropriate for millions of years but suddenly became appropriate within a period of 400,000 years or so and was SPECIFICALLY appropriate for PARTICULARLY humans but not for any other "evolving" specie.

Can you show me any other specie of living thing that experienced this accelerated evolutionary process alongside man?

ask me why the condition became appropriate, think like a scientist.

Most times when people hear reports about alien space craft sightings, the usually response is the need for empirical proof; some sort of official documentation that can be verified by anyone and proven to be valid. Maybe an official news report by a reliable news outlet or something of the sort.

What about if there actually have been documentations like this is history? You see the thing about our society is that people have been conditioned to dismiss claims without even deciding to do any research on the subject of the claims that they dismiss. And of course who the hell bothers to do research on these subjects when everyone is concerned with doing research on their favorite celebrities and football stars.

Below is a Newspaper column from Nuremberg in the year 1561. It's been dubbed the Nuremberg celestial phenomenon. In the morning of April 14, 1561, at daybreak, between 4 and 5 a.m, the people of Nuremberg witnessed images of objects moving in the sky, as if they were engaging in battle. Below is the page of the daily newspaper showcasing an imagistic representation of what they saw.

One important thing you should note is that there were accounts of some objects falling from the sky and crashing on the ground, releasing fire and smoke, the kind of thing you'd notice if an aircraft crashes. Also note that this was 1561, more than 300 years before air crafts were invented by humans.

nwabekeyi:
ask me why the condition became appropriate, think like a scientist.

Sorry but there can be nothing scientific about any thought in this regard because all you or any scientist would have are going to be assumptions and speculations.

Whatever reason you would give regarding "why" would just be an assumption and even you know it.

Butterflyleo:


Sorry but there can be nothing scientific about any thought in this regard because all you or any scientist would have are going to be assumptions and speculations.

Whatever reason you would give regarding "why" would just be an assumption and even you know it.

The scientific literature on this subject is fundamentally just speculation and conjecturing. And when the theory is being thought to students, they leave out the inconsistencies and ignore the miraculous changes associated with the transformation from pre-human primates to homo-sapiens.

Still in the spirit of officially documented cases, I'll be sharing another more recent case of purported alien space craft crashes on earth: The Roswell crash.

The crash happened in 1947 in Roswell, New mexico.

The information concerning the crash can be found on wikipedia, but there are certain things I want to say. First, the crash has since been labelled by the US government as a nuclear test weather balloon crash, which I find ridiculous given that the newspaper headlines the day after the crash happened explicitly stated that a flying saucer had crashed in Roswell.

Secondly, there were lots of accounts by people who witnessed the crash that alien bodies were recovered from the crash, but of course all these people have been discredited by official reports as liars. I personally have done some research on this and I've listened to people who have confessed to having been threatened by the government to keep their mouths shut on what they witnessed. The reason why they came out according to them was because they were already old and had nothing to lose from saying the truth.

The question now is; who do you believe? The US government or human witnesses?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident

Now I'm going to post a set of ancient sculptures for you to ponder on.

Are these just coincidences? Maybe the sculptors were just being creative?

The Sumerians

Let's talk about the Sumerians. According to our history books, the sumerians were the first large civilization, emerging around 3500BC, even preceding the Egyptians. They emerged in the place that is now modern day Iraq. The sumerians had emerged surprisingly enough with a lot of developments: They had agriculture and they practiced irrigation; they invented written language; they developed art, literature, commerce & architecture and they invented the wheel.

But the Sumerians themselves didn't attribute these strides to themselves. What they say according to their historical writings is that these developments were taught to them by their creator Gods who visited earth from another planet.

Below is an image by the Sumerians showing our solar system. Observe the image at the top left hand corner.

The Dogon People:

The Dogon are an ancient tribe living in Mali, West Africa. They claim to be the living conduit between heaven and Earth and to possess not only knowledge of the cosmos, but of man’s true origins.
The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian descent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. For centuries the Dogon successfully managed to remain isolated from neighboring influences as well as from capture by Islamic slave traders. Their cultural, oral and written history stayed miraculously intact. What they kept hidden from the rest of the world is quite amazing.

According to one of their oldest legends, a race called the “Nommos” visited the Earth from the star Sirius many millennia ago. The Dogon learned from the Nommos that there was a companion star (Sirius B) orbiting the Sirius star (the brightest star in the sky near the constellation Orion) where the Nommos came from. They landed on Earth in an “ark” that made a spinning decent to the ground with great noise and wind.
In the 1930’s two French anthropologists, Marcel Griaule and Germain Dieterlen, recorded this legend from four Dogon priests. The tribal elders not only shared their amazing understanding of Astronomy but Physics as well. They knew that the Earth was not flat, as many primitive tribes believed, but a spherical orbiting body in ‘space’.

Somehow they knew a companion star exists to Sirius A, even though Sirius B wasn’t visible to the naked eye until it was photographed by a large space telescope in 1970. While scientists had long suspected its existence since as early as 1844, none could confirm what was speculated as a “white dwarf” star smaller than Earth.
Some modern-day scientists scoff at the Dogon’s early knowledge of the cosmos, yet have a hard time explaining how the Dogon came to possess a 400-year old artifact that apparently depicts the Sirius configuration. Since the 13th Century they have also performed a “Sigui” ceremony every 60 years to celebrate the cycle of these stars, somehow accurately knowing that this is approximately how long it takes for Sirius A to orbit Sirius B. (The next one is expected to occur n 2027.)

Scientists also find it hard to explain how the Dogons knew about the super-density of Sirius B, a fact only discovered a few years before the anthropologists recorded the Dogon stories. The Dogons legend goes on to say that the Nommos also furnished the Dogon’s with some interesting information about our own solar system: That the planet Jupiter has four major moons, that Saturn has rings, and that planets orbit the sun. These were all facts discovered by Westerners only after Galileo invented the telescope.
As larger and more powerful telescopes explore the Sirius system, they may be able to validate another Dogon legend of a third star—Sirius C. According to Dogon legend, the Nommos lived on a small planet that orbits Sirius C. A planet that was dying out for some unknown reason which caused the Nommos to seek habitation elsewhere. (Most scientists do not consider any part of the Sirius system a prime candidate for life.)
However, in 1995 gravitational studies showed the possible presence of a brown dwarf star orbiting around Sirius (a Sirius C) with a six-year orbital period. More has yet to be learned.

The Dogon correctly define the key components of matter from atoms to quarks to the vibrating threads of string theory, all in the proper sequence, as supported by explicit tribal drawings. This, too, they learned from the Nommos, which they called the Gods that descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. They revealed that these Beings resembled amphibious creatures who were clothed in grey and were responsible for giving rise to all of mankind.

nwabekeyi:
these facts are inaccurate though I commend your questioning, it's good for science but let it be known to you that drastic civilization and hominid activities caused drastic climate changes, faster than it has ever occurred hence a need to adapt to the changes.

Earth’s climate has always been in a state of flux. Ever since our ancestors branched off the primate evolutionary tree millions of years ago, the planet has faced drastic swings between moist and dry periods, as well as long-lived glacial freezes and thaws. It’s clear that early humans were able to survive such changes—our existence confirms their success. But a growing number of scientists think that major climate shifts may have also forged some of the defining traits of humanity.

Roughly between 3 and 2.5 million years ago, the lineage of ‘Lucy’ [Australopithecus afarensis] became extinct and the first members of our own genus, Homo, appeared. The first simple stone tools also appeared with those fossils, which featured some modern traits like bigger brains. Then, between 2 million and 1.5 million years ago, we see Homo erectus. That bigger-brained hominin had a skeleton very much like our own, more sophisticated tools like double-bladed axes and new behaviors that led early humans out of Africa for the first time.

Both of these events happened at times when the local climate was undergoing dramatic shifts. We know, for instance, that some 3 million years ago—around the time the first Homo species appeared—Africa was switching from wooded areas to open grasslands as the climate dried out. This straightforward change in scenery may be part of why early humans evolved away from climbing and toward walking upright. But recent evidence collected from the seafloor gives an even more detailed look at the climate change during this period.

Result of joblessness

SoundLock:
Big Foot

Big foot, also known as Sasquatch is a hairy, upright-walking, ape-like being who reportedly dwells in the wilderness and forests and leaves behind large footprints. There have been over 1000 reports of encounters with this creature, despite the fact that mainstream science tends to dismiss all these claims. Most people describe the creature as walking upright like a human would, able to use his hands, able to see at night, being incredibly strong and having defined brow ridges & no protruding forehead. Few people have claimed to have even been captured by the creature including a Canadian prospector named Albert Ostman who described in detail his chilling experience.

If the reports people are making are true, then it would make sense to assume that Bigfoot is most likely a descendant of the "prehuman" primates, especially given that he shares their features.

But mere reports about bigfoot aren't very compelling. How about if we had a documented case of humans in recent times interacting with non-human upright walking, hairy, primates? Well we actually do.

Burari why this guy is going insane

SoundLock:
I'm going to be proving 3 propositions.

1. I'm going to prove that humans didn't evolve naturally from primates.

2. I'm going to prove that aliens exist; In our ancient past, medieval period and currently in present times.

3. I'm going to prove that aliens were involved in the creation of man.

NB: When I use the term ALIENS, I don't mean a demon or evil spirit. When I use the term ALIENS I am referring to intelligent life forms that evolved/were created in other galaxies and solar systems long time ago and who have the capacity to travel through space and time to other solar systems & galaxies with the means of technology.

Aliens were involved in your creation and not mine effect of studying too much science

Below are statements made by Astronaunts and Intelligence Operatives.


ASTRONAUTS

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth."
— Colonel Gordon Cooper, Mercury & Gemini Astronaut

"I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real. It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now."
— Captain Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut

"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object...It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."
— Captain Donald Slayton, Mercury Astronaut

"For nearly 50 years, the secrecy apparatus within the United States Government has kept from the public UFO and alien contact information." "We have contact with alien cultures."
— Astronaut Dr. Brian O'Leary

NASA, CIA, ARMY, AIR FORCE ETC

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense."
— Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, first Director of the CIA, 1947-1950

"We had a job to do, whether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited."
— Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Scientific consultant for Air Force Project Blue Book

"Of course UFOs are real, and they are interplanetary. The cumulative evidence for the existence of UFOs is quite overwhelming and I accept the fact of their existence."
— Air Chief Marshall Lord Hugh Dowding, Commanding Officer of the Royal Air Force during WWII

"Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer crash in Roswell, N.Mex., in July 1947 led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, laser and fibre optic technologies, particle beams, electromagnetic propulsion systems, depleted uranium projectiles, stealth capabilities, and many others. How do I know? I was in charge! I think the kids on this planet are wise to the truth, and I think we ought to give it to them. I think they deserve it."
— Colonel Philip Corso, Former head of the Foreign Technology Desk for United States Army Research and Development, National Security Council member, Eisenhower Administration.

"Unidentified Flying Objects are entering our atmosphere at very high speeds and obviously under intelligent control. We must solve this riddle without delay."
--- Rear Admiral Delmar Fahrney USNR

Puma Panku

Puma Punku is without a doubt one of the most mysterious places you can travel to in South America. Located in Bolivia, this ancient megalithic site has challenged archaeologists and researchers for decades, who have tried effortlessly to explain how this incredible ancient site was erected by man thousands of years ago, ‘without the use of advanced technology and tools.’

Many people firmly believe that this isn’t the case and that this ancient megalithic site was, in fact, built by an extremely sophisticated ancient civilization which inhabited the region in the distant past, challenging mainstream views on history which state that advanced civilizations did not inhabit the area in the distant past.
Many people firmly agree that the biggest mystery involving Puma Punku is, how ancient mankind managed to transport these huge blocks of stone from quarries within 10 to 100 km. The greater question is how they managed to cut precisely and stack the megalithic stone after transportation. Engineers and constructors around the world today cannot answer nor replicate these achievements done by ancient mankind thousands of years ago.

Scattered about the site are many monolithic stones that are precisely cut and routed in multiple levels with perfect angles and straight lines. Many of the blocks are cut in perfect interlocking shapes–a feat far beyond a primitive civilization that used stone and bronze hand tools. The only explanation for this precision work is the use of machine tools similar to the diamond-tipped quarry saws, masonry drills and CNC routers used today and powered by electricity or internal combustion engines. No archaeologist or scientist can offer any other explanation for the amazing existence of Puma Punku’s stone work.

DeBrain045:
Aliens were involved in your creation and not mine effect of studying too much science

DeBrain045:
Burari why this guy is going insane

DeBrain045:
Result of joblessness

Oi!, DeBrainless, shut up!

DeBrain045:
Burari why this guy is going insane

Sigh,sir this thread aint for you,sorry to say you lack the iq to comprehend it.
Go back to the other thread and discuss BBN and wailing about buhari.

SoundLock:
The Dogon People:

The Dogon are an ancient tribe living in Mali, West Africa. They claim to be the living conduit between heaven and Earth and to possess not only knowledge of the cosmos, but of man’s true origins.
The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian descent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. For centuries the Dogon successfully managed to remain isolated from neighboring influences as well as from capture by Islamic slave traders. Their cultural, oral and written history stayed miraculously intact. What they kept hidden from the rest of the world is quite amazing.

According to one of their oldest legends, a race called the “Nommos” visited the Earth from the star Sirius many millennia ago. The Dogon learned from the Nommos that there was a companion star (Sirius B) orbiting the Sirius star (the brightest star in the sky near the constellation Orion) where the Nommos came from. They landed on Earth in an “ark” that made a spinning decent to the ground with great noise and wind.
In the 1930’s two French anthropologists, Marcel Griaule and Germain Dieterlen, recorded this legend from four Dogon priests. The tribal elders not only shared their amazing understanding of Astronomy but Physics as well. They knew that the Earth was not flat, as many primitive tribes believed, but a spherical orbiting body in ‘space’.

Somehow they knew a companion star exists to Sirius A, even though Sirius B wasn’t visible to the naked eye until it was photographed by a large space telescope in 1970. While scientists had long suspected its existence since as early as 1844, none could confirm what was speculated as a “white dwarf” star smaller than Earth.
Some modern-day scientists scoff at the Dogon’s early knowledge of the cosmos, yet have a hard time explaining how the Dogon came to possess a 400-year old artifact that apparently depicts the Sirius configuration. Since the 13th Century they have also performed a “Sigui” ceremony every 60 years to celebrate the cycle of these stars, somehow accurately knowing that this is approximately how long it takes for Sirius A to orbit Sirius B. (The next one is expected to occur n 2027.)

Scientists also find it hard to explain how the Dogons knew about the super-density of Sirius B, a fact only discovered a few years before the anthropologists recorded the Dogon stories. The Dogons legend goes on to say that the Nommos also furnished the Dogon’s with some interesting information about our own solar system: That the planet Jupiter has four major moons, that Saturn has rings, and that planets orbit the sun. These were all facts discovered by Westerners only after Galileo invented the telescope.
As larger and more powerful telescopes explore the Sirius system, they may be able to validate another Dogon legend of a third star—Sirius C. According to Dogon legend, the Nommos lived on a small planet that orbits Sirius C. A planet that was dying out for some unknown reason which caused the Nommos to seek habitation elsewhere. (Most scientists do not consider any part of the Sirius system a prime candidate for life.)
However, in 1995 gravitational studies showed the possible presence of a brown dwarf star orbiting around Sirius (a Sirius C) with a six-year orbital period. More has yet to be learned.

The Dogon correctly define the key components of matter from atoms to quarks to the vibrating threads of string theory, all in the proper sequence, as supported by explicit tribal drawings. This, too, they learned from the Nommos, which they called the Gods that descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. They revealed that these Beings resembled amphibious creatures who were clothed in grey and were responsible for giving rise to all of mankind.

Even some masquerade found in west Africa have a close resemblance to aliens.

Look at genesis;God created man in his own image.Scientists said for aliens to go around space,it must be humanoid in nature...

i dont believe most nonsense in the bible,but for every nonsense there must be sense it it.The God in the bible clearly isnt all powerful and have humans emotions such as anger,regret,repent and evil surely it must be alien..

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The Dogon People:

The Dogon are an ancient tribe living in Mali, West Africa. They claim to be the living conduit between heaven and Earth and to possess not only knowledge of the cosmos, but of man’s true origins.
The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian descent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. For centuries the Dogon successfully managed to remain isolated from neighboring influences as well as from capture by Islamic slave traders. Their cultural, oral and written history stayed miraculously intact. What they kept hidden from the rest of the world is quite amazing.

According to one of their oldest legends, a race called the “Nommos” visited the Earth from the star Sirius many millennia ago. The Dogon learned from the Nommos that there was a companion star (Sirius B) orbiting the Sirius star (the brightest star in the sky near the constellation Orion) where the Nommos came from. They landed on Earth in an “ark” that made a spinning decent to the ground with great noise and wind.
In the 1930’s two French anthropologists, Marcel Griaule and Germain Dieterlen, recorded this legend from four Dogon priests. The tribal elders not only shared their amazing understanding of Astronomy but Physics as well. They knew that the Earth was not flat, as many primitive tribes believed, but a spherical orbiting body in ‘space’.

Somehow they knew a companion star exists to Sirius A, even though Sirius B wasn’t visible to the naked eye until it was photographed by a large space telescope in 1970. While scientists had long suspected its existence since as early as 1844, none could confirm what was speculated as a “white dwarf” star smaller than Earth.
Some modern-day scientists scoff at the Dogon’s early knowledge of the cosmos, yet have a hard time explaining how the Dogon came to possess a 400-year old artifact that apparently depicts the Sirius configuration. Since the 13th Century they have also performed a “Sigui” ceremony every 60 years to celebrate the cycle of these stars, somehow accurately knowing that this is approximately how long it takes for Sirius A to orbit Sirius B. (The next one is expected to occur n 2027.)

Scientists also find it hard to explain how the Dogons knew about the super-density of Sirius B, a fact only discovered a few years before the anthropologists recorded the Dogon stories. The Dogons legend goes on to say that the Nommos also furnished the Dogon’s with some interesting information about our own solar system: That the planet Jupiter has four major moons, that Saturn has rings, and that planets orbit the sun. These were all facts discovered by Westerners only after Galileo invented the telescope.
As larger and more powerful telescopes explore the Sirius system, they may be able to validate another Dogon legend of a third star—Sirius C. According to Dogon legend, the Nommos lived on a small planet that orbits Sirius C. A planet that was dying out for some unknown reason which caused the Nommos to seek habitation elsewhere. (Most scientists do not consider any part of the Sirius system a prime candidate for life.)
However, in 1995 gravitational studies showed the possible presence of a brown dwarf star orbiting around Sirius (a Sirius C) with a six-year orbital period. More has yet to be learned.

The Dogon correctly define the key components of matter from atoms to quarks to the vibrating threads of string theory, all in the proper sequence, as supported by explicit tribal drawings. This, too, they learned from the Nommos, which they called the Gods that descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. They revealed that these Beings resembled amphibious creatures who were clothed in grey and were responsible for giving rise to all of mankind.

Interesting.. I will read more on this tribe

Thanks Dominique.

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Below are statements made by Astronaunts and Intelligence Operatives.


ASTRONAUTS

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth."
— Colonel Gordon Cooper, Mercury & Gemini Astronaut

"I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real. It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now."
— Captain Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut

"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object...It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."
— Captain Donald Slayton, Mercury Astronaut

"For nearly 50 years, the secrecy apparatus within the United States Government has kept from the public UFO and alien contact information." "We have contact with alien cultures."
— Astronaut Dr. Brian O'Leary

NASA, CIA, ARMY, AIR FORCE ETC

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense."
— Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, first Director of the CIA, 1947-1950

"We had a job to do, whether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited."
— Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Scientific consultant for Air Force Project Blue Book

"Of course UFOs are real, and they are interplanetary. The cumulative evidence for the existence of UFOs is quite overwhelming and I accept the fact of their existence."
— Air Chief Marshall Lord Hugh Dowding, Commanding Officer of the Royal Air Force during WWII

"Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer crash in Roswell, N.Mex., in July 1947 led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, laser and fibre optic technologies, particle beams, electromagnetic propulsion systems, depleted uranium projectiles, stealth capabilities, and many others. How do I know? I was in charge! I think the kids on this planet are wise to the truth, and I think we ought to give it to them. I think they deserve it."
— Colonel Philip Corso, Former head of the Foreign Technology Desk for United States Army Research and Development, National Security Council member, Eisenhower Administration.

"Unidentified Flying Objects are entering our atmosphere at very high speeds and obviously under intelligent control. We must solve this riddle without delay."
--- Rear Admiral Delmar Fahrney USNR

Are there ways we can verifiably ascertain these statements were truly made by these individuals?

Puma Panku

Puma Punku is without a doubt one of the most mysterious places you can travel to in South America. Located in Bolivia, this ancient megalithic site has challenged archaeologists and researchers for decades, who have tried effortlessly to explain how this incredible ancient site was erected by man thousands of years ago, ‘without the use of advanced technology and tools.’

Many people firmly believe that this ancient megalithic site was, in fact, built by an extremely sophisticated ancient civilization which inhabited the region in the distant past. The biggest mystery involving Puma Punku is, how ancient mankind managed to transport these huge blocks of stone, some weighing as large as 10 tonnes from quarries within 10 to 100 km. The greater question is how they managed to cut precisely and stack the megalithic stone after transportation.

Engineers and constructors around the world today cannot answer nor replicate these achievements done by ancient mankind thousands of years ago.

Scattered about the site are many monolithic stones that are precisely cut and routed in multiple levels with perfect angles and straight lines. Many of the blocks are cut in perfect interlocking shapes–a feat far beyond a primitive civilization that used stone and bronze hand tools. The only explanation for this precision work is the use of machine tools similar to the diamond-tipped quarry saws, masonry drills and CNC routers used today and powered by electricity or internal combustion engines.

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