haywizzy007:
Stop being ridiculous, it is like you asking me to show you the word 'bible' in the holy scriptures..
Did God organize people in the past? YES OR NO? Has God changed? YES OR NO?

Rev. 18:4.. And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, MY PEOPLE, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues

what is the meaning of 'my people' in the verse above? disorganization?...lol

Haywizzy 007: Hairy what ever is an obsessed & deluded bigot who is very dishonest to himself. In a previous post on this same thread he could not refute Acts 2:44. 15:22,23
. He was disfellowshipped & turned apostate. Anger,resentment & bitterness are the drive force behind the series of lies, distortion & half truths he dishes out on NL. Him problem no get cure until he humbles himself b4 Jehovah the Most High God.

OneJ:

Haywizzy 007: Hairy what ever is an obsessed & deluded bigot who is very dishonest to himself. In a previous post on this same thread he could not refute Acts 2:44. 15:22,23
. He was disfellowshipped & turned apostate. Anger,resentment & bitterness are the drive force behind the series of lies, distortion & half truths he dishes out on NL. Him problem no get cure until he humbles himself b4 Jehovah the Most High God.

wow! thanks for the info

haywizzy007:
Don't get me wrong, being in Jehovah's organization is not an automatic ticket for salvation, there was even a Judas among Jesus' apostles. it is not automatic, buh very crucial

imagine a faithful Israelite back then heard moses instruction and then decided to go through a different route not wanting to join the thousands crossing the Red sea...what do you think would happen?

The race for life is personal, buh all over the world millions of brothers and sisters are united in this race..it is either you are in or out, you can't sit on the fence..

haywizzy007: Don't get me wrong, being in Jehovah's organization is not an automatic ticket for salvation,

Achorladey: Jesus never said, the apostles as well never said that being in an organisation is a criteria or ticket for salvation or everlasting life John 3:16, John 14:6, Acts 10:34, 35 Romans 10:13

haywizzy007: there was even a Judas among Jesus' apostles. it is not automatic, but very crucial

Achorladey: Judas didn't exercise faith and continually follow his master. He rather choose to follow "Jehovah's organisation" the Israel organisation lead by its King and the priest in order to betray the chief agent and perfecter of faith "Jesus christ".
The concept "organisation" is developed by man not scripturally backed.

haywizzy007: imagine a faithful Israelite back then heard moses instruction and then decided to go through a different route not wanting to join the thousands crossing the Red sea...what do you think would happen?

Achorladey: That individual will suffer the consequence despite it would seem the instruction is given to them as a group it meant for them as individual and to be adhered to individually.

haywizzy007: The race for life is personal,

Achorladey: AGREED

haywizzy007:buh all over the world millions of brothers and sisters are united in this race..

Achorladey: brothers and sisters under the umbrella "Christians" that should be united as Christians not divided into denominations/organisations

haywizzy007:it is either you are in or out, you can't sit on the fence..

Achorladey: Being in or out tells me one has to subscribe to the organization you advocate or not subscribe to such organisation but John 14:6, John 3:16 James 1:26,27 Matthew 22:37-39 Matthew 5:43-48 tells me anyone following through on all of these is on that way leading to life. All these need not an organization to teach or the need to follow/join an organisation to practice them. They are perfectly captured in 2 Timothy 3:16,17, the bible is enough for any and every man to be completely equipped to do the good work of the Lord.

achorladey:

haywizzy007: Don't get me wrong, being in Jehovah's organization is not an automatic ticket for salvation,

Achorladey: Jesus never said, the apostles as well never said that being in an organisation is a criteria or ticket for salvation or everlasting life John 3:16, John 14:6, Acts 10:34, 35 Romans 10:13

haywizzy007: there was even a Judas among Jesus' apostles. it is not automatic, but very crucial

Achorladey: Judas didn't exercise faith and continually follow his master. He rather choose to follow "Jehovah's organisation" the Israel organisation lead by its King and the priest in order to betray the chief agent and perfecter of faith "Jesus christ".
The concept "organisation" is developed by man not scripturally backed.

haywizzy007: imagine a faithful Israelite back then heard moses instruction and then decided to go through a different route not wanting to join the thousands crossing the Red sea...what do you think would happen?

Achorladey: That individual will suffer the consequence despite it would seem the instruction is given to them as a group it meant for them as individual and to be adhered to individually.

haywizzy007: The race for life is personal,

Achorladey: AGREED

haywizzy007:buh all over the world millions of brothers and sisters are united in this race..

Achorladey: brothers and sisters under the umbrella "Christians" that should be united as Christians not divided into denominations/organisations

haywizzy007:it is either you are in or out, you can't sit on the fence..

Achorladey: Being in or out tells me one has to subscribe to the organization you advocate or not subscribe to such organisation but John 14:6, John 3:16 James 1:26,27 Matthew 22:37-39 Matthew 5:43-48 tells me anyone following through on all of these is on that way leading to life. All these need not an organization to teach or the need to follow/join an organisation to practice them. They are perfectly captured in 2 Timothy 3:16,17, the bible is enough for any and every man to be completely equipped to do the good work of the Lord.

To begin with, do you view Jehovah's witnesses as Christians??

haywizzy007:
To begin with, do you view Jehovah's witnesses as Christians??

Yes I do.
Do you view other religious denominations/organisation as Christians?

achorladey:

Yes I do.
Do you view other religious denominations/organisation as Christians?

There are thousands of religious denomination in the world, from the deep study of God's word, i know they can't all be true (Matt 7:21)


Do you believe in the Trinity?

The founder of Jehovah witnesses is burning in hell fire, you are here defending his doctrine of demons that re sold to you so called JW. You better repent while there is time. Or the same fate awaits you

haywizzy007:
There are thousands of religious denomination in the world, from the deep study of God's word, i know they can't all be true (Matt 7:21)


Do you believe in the Trinity?

haywizzy007: There are thousands of religious denomination in the world, from the deep study of God's word, i know they can't all be true (Matt 7:21)

Achorladey: That is if what Matthew 7:21 states is directed towards religious denominations and not to Christians as individuals. What is stated in Matthew 7:21 is not directed towards religious denominations, it is directed to would be christians individually. My question is not to determine whether they are true or false. You are yet to answer my question I asked earlier. ARE OTHER RELIGIOUS DENOMINATIONS APART FROM THE JWs CHRISTIANS?

haywizzy007: Do you believe in the Trinity?

Achorladey : Nope!!! The term itself is no where stated explicitly in the Bible.
Do you believe in the term "Jehovah's organisation".

achorladey:

haywizzy007: There are thousands of religious denomination in the world, from the deep study of God's word, i know they can't all be true (Matt 7:21)

Achorladey: That is if what Matthew 7:21 states is directed towards religious denominations and not to Christians as individuals. But you are yet to answer my question asked earlier. Are other religious denominations apart from the Jws Christians?

haywizzy007: Do you believe in the Trinity?

Achorladey : Nope!!! The term itself is no where stated explicitly in the Bible.
Do you believe in the term "Jehovah's organisation".

Matt. 7:21,22 should answer your question..
Jehovah's witnesses practice what they preach, this is one of the things that separates them from many self proclaimed Christian denominations, they are not hypocritical.

You don't believe in the Godhead, which is one of the core doctrines of your brothers and sisters under the umbrella of faith called "Christians".

Do they even view you as Christian? ion think so

You don't have to fight it, God has an organization, he has been organizing His people right from the onset. God's faithful worshippers are organized in heaven, having the same sets of beliefs. You don't expect the earth to be different. Satan is the architect of confusing doctrines, Jehovah's worshippers will always have the same sets of beliefs.

haywizzy007.Matt. 7:21,22 should answer your question..

Achorladey: I answered your question directly but in your quest of trying to judge and make separations you are trying to deflect. You will rather prefer to call them "FALSE CHRISTIANS" than say they are in simple plain terms "CHRISTIANS"


haywizzy007: Jehovah's witnesses practice what they preach, this is one of the things that separates them from many self proclaimed Christian denominations,
they are not hypocritical.

Achorladey: surface conformity or outward appearance of the JWs does not reflect what they really are. This is where hypocrisy starts from....... the Jws urged ........

Persons of the public to keep an open minded approach towards the Watch Tower literature even though it challenges their present religious beliefs.

but what about the Jehovah's Witnesses themselves? They are urged not to exchange or immediately destroy literature that is critical of their beliefs.........HYPOCRISY


haywizzy007: You don't believe in the Godhead, which is one of the core doctrines of your brothers and sisters under the umbrella of faith called "Christians".


Achorladey: Other numerous religious denominations too do not believe in the Concept JEHOVAH'S ORGANISATION which is one of the core doctrines of the JWs which you believe falls under the umbrella of faith called CHRISTIANS

haywizzy007. Do they even view you as Christian? ion think so You don't have to fight it,

Achorladey: Do they(other religious organization) even view you as Christian? I dont think so. You dont have to fight it as well

haywizzy007: God has an organization,

Achorladey: There is no where such "ORGANISATION" is explicitly stated in the scriptures serving as means of salvation.

haywizzy007: he has been organizing His people right from the onset.

Achorladey: God is not a God of disorder.

haywizzy007: God's faithful worshippers
are organized in heaven, having the same sets of beliefs.

Achorladey: christians can do so likewise it is the denominations they all subscribe to that is bringing division.

haywizzy007: You don't expect the earth to be different. Satan is the architect of confusing doctrines, Jehovah's worshippers will always have the same sets of beliefs.

Achorladey: do you agree then that when the Governing Body admit errors in doctrinal matter and organization direction they are subscribing to satan ploy as well?

achorladey:

It will be better if you take time out to seek out Hairyrapunzel perspective on all of these. Why it seems his comment seems like one attacking the JWs. It might seem so in some cases yet he is picking out issues that should be addressed or you try and convince him on some of his disagreement concerning the things he believed about the JWs.


You are still young in the organization, that I can say by the way you address and respond to issues raised so far. Take your time to ground yourself more spiritually.

'there's more to this than meets the eye' it is a situation not as simple as it seems to be.


In fulfilling the law of the christ as you might have learnt recently, I believe there will be constant conflict between an individual who is under a religious denomination to fulfill the law of the christ.


The laws, creed, decrees, judicial decisions,
condemnation of that religious denomination you subscribe too will not allow you to fulfill the law of the christ.

One of such law all religious denomination subscribing to be christians are struggling to fulfil is Galatians 6:10.


One only need to read Galatians 6 to see the inadequacies of the religious denominations.

But dont forget Gal 6:5 we are to carry our own load. No religious denomination or organization will do that for us.

Galatians 6:5 was never written or addressed to religious organization. It was to all christians as individuals.

It's well understood that you don't want clarity in worship! But that's a weapon that has been rendered useless before Jehovah's witnesses because that's what those joining the organization are searching for.(PURE WORSHIP) Therefore we will never agree with you! YES i'm new in the organization because i got baptized in 2014 as one of Jehovah's witnesses but studied for 20 SOLID years with strong criticism and inquisition! So there's nothing your "spiritual brother" Hairy is saying that i'm not aware, i for my part just happened to be someone not easily convinced but when convinced it will take much more than the evidence to change my mind! Hairy on his part is clearly understood, he doesn't want anyone to have faith that's solid. Whereas God's servants know that there must be orderliness in worship so if you don't want it then go and join him perhaps with his newly found atheist family. Please you can call US anything you like but be rest assured that you're not worshipping our own God and those not worshipping HIM will SURELY perish! That's what is making Hairy to cry both day and night,though he knew the truth but he's prepared for Jehovah's judgment just like his spirit friends (demons) all they're looking for now is more people to drag down to destruction with them!

achorladey:
haywizzy007.Matt. 7:21,22 should answer your question..

Achorladey: I answered your question directly but in your quest of trying to judge and make separations you are trying to deflect. You will rather prefer to call them "FALSE CHRISTIANS" than say they are in simple plain terms "CHRISTIANS"


haywizzy007: Jehovah's witnesses practice what they preach, this is one of the things that separates them from many self proclaimed Christian denominations,
they are not hypocritical.

Achorladey: surface conformity or outward appearance of the JWs does not reflect what they really are. This is where hypocrisy starts from....... the Jws urged ........

Persons of the public to keep an open minded approach towards the Watch Tower literature even though it challenges their present religious beliefs.

but what about the Jehovah's Witnesses themselves? They are urged not to exchange or immediately destroy literature that is critical of their beliefs.........HYPOCRISY


haywizzy007: You don't believe in the Godhead, which is one of the core doctrines of your brothers and sisters under the umbrella of faith called "Christians".


Achorladey: Other numerous religious denominations too do not believe in the Concept JEHOVAH'S ORGANISATION which is one of the core doctrines of the JWs which you believe falls under the umbrella of faith called CHRISTIANS

haywizzy007. Do they even view you as Christian? ion think so You don't have to fight it,

Achorladey: Do they(other religious organization) even view you as Christian? I dont think so. You dont have to fight it as well

haywizzy007: God has an organization,

Achorladey: There is no where such "ORGANISATION" is explicitly stated in the scriptures serving as means of salvation.

haywizzy007: he has been organizing His people right from the onset.

Achorladey: God is not a God of disorder.

haywizzy007: God's faithful worshippers
are organized in heaven, having the same sets of beliefs.

Achorladey: christians can do so likewise it is the denominations they all subscribe to that is bringing division.

haywizzy007: You don't expect the earth to be different. Satan is the architect of confusing doctrines, Jehovah's worshippers will always have the same sets of beliefs.

Achorladey: do you agree then that when the Governing Body admit errors in doctrinal matter and organization direction they are subscribing to satan ploy as well?

You agreed with the fact that God has been organizing people right from the onset...The way in which people are organized is called what?

Is God still organizing people in our day? YES OR No?

Afamsi:
The founder of Jehovah witnesses is burning in hell fire, you are here defending his doctrine of demons that re sold to you so called JW. You better repent while there is time. Or the same fate awaits you

God bless you for this straight thought of yours! This is what Jehovah's witnesses loves to hear from those who disagrees with our beliefs, please tell the whole world about this and that you're not certain of other religious groups claiming Christians but ONLY Jehovah's witnesses are going to HELL FIRE it's a welcome development on our part. After all you know that there is enmity between our God and your God. Well it's good to straighten matters by helping those you believe will go to "hellfire" to know the REASONS just like Jesus taught His followers to go preaching and teaching people so that they won't perish! Please help US tell people like Kolade that there's no need grouping Jehovah's witnesses as another denomination of his religion since the "Holy Ghost" has revealed where we and our leaders are going to you. We're strongly convinced too that if you're not one of US you'll perish,that makes it easier then we don't need to hate ourselves because it's what our God said versus what your God said. So let's agree that it's an enmity between the Gods and so we mortals can continue living together in peace,each person can continue obeying his/her God as long as there is freedom of expression and let the Gods fight their own fight! Once again i'll say God bless you for thinking straight.

haywizzy007:
You agreed with the fact that God has been organizing people right from the onset...The way in which people are organized is called what?

Is God still organizing people in our day? YES OR No?

haywizzy007:You agreed with the fact that God has been organizing people right from the onset...

Achorladey: God is not a God of disorder

haywizzy007: The way in which people are organized is called what?

Achorladey: Which one do you prefer
JEHOVAH'S ORGANISATION or ORGANISATION.
You make me laugh at your level of comprehension.

haywizzy007: Is God still organizing people in our day? YES OR No?

Achorladey: The God I serve does not vary or change like shifting shadows. James 1:17 The organisation you subscribed to admits they err or make mistakes in doctrinal matters and organisational direction. Watchtower study edition February 2017 fourth article paragraph 12. You wouldnt want to associate the God we serve with such an organisation.

Achorladey: Do your God made mistakes and error when organizing people. YES or NO.

achorladey:

It will be better if you take time out to seek out Hairyrapunzel perspective on all of these. Why it seems his comment seems like one attacking the JWs. It might seem so in some cases yet he is picking out issues that should be addressed or you try and convince him on some of his disagreement concerning the things he believed about the JWs.


You are still young in the organization, that I can say by the way you address and respond to issues raised so far. Take your time to ground yourself more spiritually.

'there's more to this than meets the eye' it is a situation not as simple as it seems to be.


In fulfilling the law of the christ as you might have learnt recently, I believe there will be constant conflict between an individual who is under a religious denomination to fulfill the law of the christ.


The laws, creed, decrees, judicial decisions,
condemnation of that religious denomination you subscribe too will not allow you to fulfill the law of the christ.

One of such law all religious denomination subscribing to be christians are struggling to fulfil is Galatians 6:10.


One only need to read Galatians 6 to see the inadequacies of the religious denominations.

But dont forget Gal 6:5 we are to carry our own load. No religious denomination or organization will do that for us.

Galatians 6:5 was never written or addressed to religious organization. It was to all christians as individuals.

My friend,go and learn from Mr/Mrs Afamsi. JW organization worldwide will appreciate and respect people like that because they're thinking straight, knowing that there can't be disagreement and at the same time togetherness during sacred services before the the one and only true God! We love to listen and discuss with such ones for our thoughts are the same as they are always saying "those not in agreement with our beliefs will perish". Unlike those who will say "believe whatever and continue to contradict our beliefs,we're still on the same side"

Riofidelio:
My friend,go and learn from Mr/Mrs Afamsi. JW organization worldwide will appreciate and respect people like that because they're thinking straight, knowing that there can't be disagreement and togetherness at the same time! We love to listen and discuss with such ones for our thoughts are the same(those not in agreement with our beliefs will perish). Unlike those who will say "believe whatever and continue to contradict our beliefs,we're still on the same side"

sorry bro, I learn from the Bible it is enough to guide us all. 2 Timothy 3:16;17.

achorladey:

sorry bro, I learn from the Bible it is enough to guide us all. 2 Timothy 3:16;17.

Hmmmmmmmmm that's really true but you're just ignoring the facts in the text(16)"all scriptures is inspired of (ONE) God and beneficial for teaching(not contradicting),for reproving(to the needed degree),for SETTING MATTERS STRAIGHT and for DISCIPLINING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS (17)so that the man of God may be fully competent and completely equipped for every good work" You're not ready to "set matters straight" regarding sacred services and "disciplining in righteousness" you only wish everyone can contribute his/her own opinion differently not ascertaining God's own viewpoint for ORDERLINESS! YES it's obvious you're learning from the scriptures.

Riofidelio:
It's well understood that you don't want clarity in worship! But that's a weapon that has been rendered useless before Jehovah's witnesses because that's what those joining the organization are searching for.(PURE WORSHIP) Therefore we will never agree with you! YES i'm new in the organization because i got baptized in 2014 as one of Jehovah's witnesses but studied for 20 SOLID years with strong criticism and inquisition! So there's nothing your "spiritual brother" Hairy is saying that i'm not aware, i for my part just happened to be someone not easily convinced but when convinced it will take much more than the evidence to change my mind! Hairy on his part is clearly understood, he doesn't want anyone to have faith that's solid. Whereas God's servants know that there must be orderliness in worship so if you don't want it then go and join him perhaps with his newly found atheist family. Please you can call US anything you like but be rest assured that you're not worshipping our own God and those not worshipping HIM will SURELY perish! That's what is making Hairy to cry both day and night,though he knew the truth but he's prepared for Jehovah's judgment just like his spirit friends (demons) all they're looking for now is more people to drag down to destruction with them!

Take this scenario as an example.........an Elder in the congregation of Jehovah's witnesses informed a publisher that the day he disassociates himself from the organisation, he ceases to worship Jehovah.

Will you accept that statement as TRUE or FALSE in reference to this scripture. James 1:26;27

Do you believe some people follow this scripture without being associated with any religious denomination? Will God accept their worship?

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm that's really true but you're just ignoring the facts in the text(16)"all scriptures is inspired of (ONE) God and beneficial for teaching(not contradicting),for reproving(to the needed degree),for SETTING MATTERS STRAIGHT and for DISCIPLINING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS (17)so that the man of God may be fully competent and completely equipped for every good work" You're not ready to "set matters straight" regarding sacred services and "disciplining in righteousness" you only wish everyone can contribute his/her own opinion differently not ascertaining God's own viewpoint for ORDERLINESS! YES it's obvious you're learning from the scriptures.

why should I set matters straight, the bible will do so. I have repeatedly show numerous scripture on sacred matter previously but you sidetracked them one after the other.

Contradicting do you know the stands of the organisation on Romans 13 when you find out, tell me it is not contradicting.

Reprove: define a drunkard for me let me see how you can reprove a person who falls in such category to the proper degree.

what is God's own view point in having faith in a victorious organisation stated in that front page of thewatchtower march 1979 and the words recorded in Gal 3:26

you emphasis orderliness very much but can you on your own direct your steps Jeremiah 10:23.

Riofidelio:
It's well understood that you don't want clarity in worship! But that's a weapon that has been rendered useless before Jehovah's witnesses because that's what those joining the organization are searching for.(PURE WORSHIP) Therefore we will never agree with you! YES i'm new in the organization because i got baptized in 2014 as one of Jehovah's witnesses but studied for 20 SOLID years with strong criticism and inquisition! So there's nothing your "spiritual brother" Hairy is saying that i'm not aware, i for my part just happened to be someone not easily convinced but when convinced it will take much more than the evidence to change my mind! Hairy on his part is clearly understood, he doesn't want anyone to have faith that's solid. Whereas God's servants know that there must be orderliness in worship so if you don't want it then go and join him perhaps with his newly found atheist family. Please you can call US anything you like but be rest assured that you're not worshipping our own God and those not worshipping HIM will SURELY perish! That's what is making Hairy to cry both day and night,though he knew the truth but he's prepared for Jehovah's judgment just like his spirit friends (demons) all they're looking for now is more people to drag down to destruction with them!

You never had sense in the first place and still do not have sense. How will you study for 20years and come up with this rubbish?
So you dream of people who don't worship God they way you do perishing? Interesting. What makes you think you won't wait for another 140 years?
This one is already mentally ill. He has gone gaga

OneJ:

Haywizzy 007: Hairy what ever is an obsessed & deluded bigot who is very dishonest to himself. In a previous post on this same thread he could not refute Acts 2:44. 15:22,23
. He was disfellowshipped & turned apostate. Anger,resentment & bitterness are the drive force behind the series of lies, distortion & half truths he dishes out on NL. Him problem no get cure until he humbles himself b4 Jehovah the Most High God.

Clap for yourself. Because I pointed out the lies your organization has been tells for over 140years I am now all those things you call? Lol
Acts2:42-47
42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

You did not see what the believers did before and after verse 44?
You decided to single out one verse and turn a blind eye to the rest verses. The same believers sold their property and gave it to people in need amongst them. You guys don't do this. Therefore you have nothing in common.
They devoted themselves to teaching, fellowshipping breaking of bread and prayers together. Do you do this? No

So why are you so fixated on only verse 44 when you don't do the rest?

In acts 15 you did not see where Paul and Barnabas had disagreement and went their separate ways?
You are so funny. You couldn't provide the Bible passage where they mentioned governing body.
I still they wait

If joining an organization really guarantees salvation the Ethiopian eunuch would have not happily gone his way after Philip explained the scriptures to him. He would have followed Phillip or rather joined his congregation.
You will pick out one or two verses from numerous verses in a chapter and turn a blind eye to these numerous verses.

Afamsi:
The founder of Jehovah witnesses is burning in hell fire, you are here defending his doctrine of demons that re sold to you so called JW. You better repent while there is time. Or the same fate awaits you

Afamsi :Just lies & trash u put up there.
I have two questions for U.
Where did God torture Adam as punishment after his death? Where did God torture Sodom & Gomorrah ,Ananias & Saphirra, as well as those destroyed by the flood of Noah's day ? .

achorladey:

haywizzy007:You agreed with the fact that God has been organizing people right from the onset...

Achorladey: God is not a God of disorder

haywizzy007: The way in which people are organized is called what?

Achorladey: Which one do you prefer
JEHOVAH'S ORGANISATION or ORGANISATION.
You make me laugh at your level of comprehension.

haywizzy007: Is God still organizing people in our day? YES OR No?

Achorladey: The God I serve does not vary or change like shifting shadows. James 1:17 The organisation you subscribed to admits they err or make mistakes in doctrinal matters and organisational direction. Watchtower study edition February 2017 fourth article paragraph 12. You wouldnt want to associate the God we serve with such an organisation.

Achorladey: Do your God made mistakes and error when organizing people. YES or NO.

Very good! The God we serve does not change like shifting shadows, which means He still has an organization of people for pure Worship..True or False?

OneJ:

Afamsi :Just lies & trash u put up there.
I have two questions for U.
Where did God torture Adam as punishment after his death? Where did God torture Sodom & Gomorrah ,Ananias & Saphirra, as well as those destroyed by the flood of Noah's day ? .

Instead of making thorough research,they want God to speak directly with them from heaven. And instead of listening to those who has taken their time to do the research selflessly,they want to translate God's word that's full of sacred secrets on their own whereas their minds are filled with materialism. Just imagine what this means "lake of fire" Crooked,adulterous,stubborn and rebellious generation are thinking "it's a lake where God has prepared to retain the DEAD tormenting them ALIVE inside burying fire forever" What a marvelous conclusion!

achorladey:


why should I set matters straight, the bible will do so. I have repeatedly show numerous scripture on sacred matter previously but you sidetracked them one after the other.

Contradicting do you know the stands of the organisation on Romans 13 when you find out, tell me it is not contradicting.

Reprove: define a drunkard for me let me see how you can reprove a person who falls in such category to the proper degree.

what is God's own view point in having faith in a victorious organisation stated in that front page of thewatchtower march 1979 and the words recorded in Gal 3:26

you emphasis orderliness very much but can you on your own direct your steps Jeremiah 10:23.

I wonder what could be running down in your mind when you asked that question and quoting "Jeremiah 10:23".Of course i can't WISELY direct my own steps ALONE,that's why i needed to IDENTIFY God's arrangement to direct each person and mankind in general which still boils down to my conclusion "God's earthly organisation"! Through which God's people will be well organized do things orderly and by arrangements, encouraging one another to conform to the oneness in thoughts and actions! 1Corinthians 1:10,14:40,2Corinthians 13:11,1Peter 3:8 Philippians 2:2 compare to 3John 9,10. In true Christianity,there must be those taking the lead in readjusting and reproving erring ones! In the absence of these there is nothing like orderliness and that's what Satan is aiming to achieve.Please when you're quoting the scriptures, remember you're quoting not before those who aren't competent students of the Bible but before a Christian who is fully competent and completely equipped to handle God's word aright! Luke 4:9-12

OneJ:

Afamsi :Just lies & trash u put up there.
I have two questions for U.
Where did God torture Adam as punishment after his death? Where did God torture Sodom & Gomorrah ,Ananias & Saphirra, as well as those destroyed by the flood of Noah's day ? .

That's why you feel your God will torture people because they refused to join the publishing company called watchtower organization? You are becoming a psychopath little by little. Since Noah's day has become present day no wahala. Since Noah's day and Sodom and Gomorrah led to everlasting life no wahala

haywizzy007:
Very good! The God we serve does not change like shifting shadows, which means He still has an organization of people for pure Worship..True or False?

He asked a question answer it and stop fooling around.

Hairyrapunzel:


He asked a question answer it and stop fooling around.

DISFELLOWSHIPED!!!

Riofidelio:
Instead of making thorough research,they want God to speak directly with them from heaven. And instead of listening to those who has taken their time to do the research selflessly,they want to translate God's word that's full of sacred secrets on their own whereas their minds are filled with materialism. Just imagine what this means "lake of fire" Crooked,adulterous,stubborn and rebellious generation are thinking "it's a lake where God has prepared to retain the DEAD tormenting them ALIVE inside burying fire forever" What a marvelous conclusion!

God spoke to his servants in the Bible. He never asked the prophets of those days to do research from magazines. He said check the scriptures. The scripture is enough for everything. We don't need to research watchtower magazines bible is OK for us and God can speak to us directly. We don't need 8 human beings in new York speaking to God for us and relaying this message down to us.

haywizzy007:
DISFELLOWSHIPED!!!

No be only disfellowshipped. See what your founding fathers had to say about disfellowshipping

"We are not of those who disfellowship Christian brethren on account of some differences of opinion; but when it comes to the point of denying the very foundation of all christianity we must speak out and withstand all such to the face, for they become the enemies of the cross of Christ." Watchtower 1882 Dec p.423


The administration of discipline is not the function of the elders only, but of the entire Church. Thus it is evident that the Elders were in no sense to be judges of the members-hearing and judgment were left to the local body, or Church. Indeed, even if the transgressor refuse to hear (obey) the decision of the entire Church, no punishment is to be inflicted or even attempted. What then? Merely the Church is to withdraw from him its fellowship and any and all signs or manifestations of brotherhood. Thenceforth the offender is to be treated "as a heathen man and a publican." Matt. 18:17" Studies Series VI - The New Creation (1904) pp.289, 290

"The Scriptural basis of fellowship and disfellowship is both a much broader and a much more simple one. It is simply of two parts: (1) An acceptance of Christ as the Redeemer, and (2) A full consecration to him. Whoever complies with this scriptural formula is entitled to the love, respect, sympathy and care of every other such one; for such, and such only, constitute the church which God recognizes - the church whose names are written in heaven." Watchtower 1905 p.3673


"According to this Scripture the very most that the church could do would be that, after having vainly endeavored to get the brother to repent and reform, it should withdraw special brotherly fellowship from him until such time as he would express willingness thereafter to do right. Then he should be received again into full fellowship.


In the meantime the brother may merely be treated in the kindly, courteous way in which it would be proper for us to treat any publican or Gentile, withholding the special rights or privileges or greetings or voting opportunities that belong to the church as a class separate from the world." Watchtower 1919 Mar 1 p.69


Wow such a revelation.

Hairyrapunzel:


No be only disfellowshipped. See what your founding fathers had to say about disfellowshipping

"We are not of those who disfellowship Christian brethren on account of some differences of opinion; but when it comes to the point of denying the very foundation of all christianity we must speak out and withstand all such to the face, for they become the enemies of the cross of Christ." Watchtower 1882 Dec p.423


The administration of discipline is not the function of the elders only, but of the entire Church. Thus it is evident that the Elders were in no sense to be judges of the members-hearing and judgment were left to the local body, or Church. Indeed, even if the transgressor refuse to hear (obey) the decision of the entire Church, no punishment is to be inflicted or even attempted. What then? Merely the Church is to withdraw from him its fellowship and any and all signs or manifestations of brotherhood. Thenceforth the offender is to be treated "as a heathen man and a publican." Matt. 18:17" Studies Series VI - The New Creation (1904) pp.289, 290

"The Scriptural basis of fellowship and disfellowship is both a much broader and a much more simple one. It is simply of two parts: (1) An acceptance of Christ as the Redeemer, and (2) A full consecration to him. Whoever complies with this scriptural formula is entitled to the love, respect, sympathy and care of every other such one; for such, and such only, constitute the church which God recognizes - the church whose names are written in heaven." Watchtower 1905 p.3673


"According to this Scripture the very most that the church could do would be that, after having vainly endeavored to get the brother to repent and reform, it should withdraw special brotherly fellowship from him until such time as he would express willingness thereafter to do right. Then he should be received again into full fellowship.


In the meantime the brother may merely be treated in the kindly, courteous way in which it would be proper for us to treat any publican or Gentile, withholding the special rights or privileges or greetings or voting opportunities that belong to the church as a class separate from the world." Watchtower 1919 Mar 1 p.69


Wow such a revelation.

DISFELLOWSHIPED...Lool

haywizzy007:
DISFELLOWSHIPED...Lool

Come and see more

Russell and Rutherford were lenient towards doctrinal disagreements, advising that making all followers think alike on doctrine is what originally caused the great apostasy, a tactic of Satan and a method of control.

"Rather, like the church of Rome their ["Religious leaders of today"] influence is exerted to restrain investigation within the sectarian limits. With the implied threat of disfellowship, they urge their ministers and students not to search continually for truth, but to accept the voice of their sect as infallible." Watchtower 1887 Apr p.923

"The great adversary is wily, and at all times is quick to appeal to passion. He persuades some that they must take a radical stand against some secular work or activity, and to proceed at once to disfellowship others who cannot conscientiously take this same stand. Somehow they seem to think that their radical stand entitles them in a very special sense to divine favour and blessing. his attitude leads them to violate principle in various ways: (1) By judging and condemning others who do not see as they do; (2) By refusing to fellowship those who still believe in the ransom, the restitution, the high calling." Watchtower 1919 Feb 1 p.6385


"Satan's organization sails under the high-sounding name of "Christendom". It boasts of a membership of over 500,000,000 persons. Its members are in bondage to creeds, customs, rites and ceremonies; they dare not disown these or criticize or expose them. To do so would bring down on their heads taunts, reproaches, disfellowship and persecution. Many thousands of the Lords people are held in these denominations as prisoners, afraid to express their disapproval of the creeds, methods and customs of the organization. Watchtower 1930 Oct 1 p.301

Your founding fathers even considered disfellowshipping a pagan practice.

Their followers are actually practicing paganism

Rotflol. Buhaha. PAGANS LIKE CHRISTENDOM