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Abdulgaffar22:
THE JEWISH BELIEVERS CRITICIZED HIM : "YOU ENTERED THE HOME OF THE GENTILES AND
EVEN ATE WITH THEM!” ( Acts 11:3 NLT)
If the other Jewish believers in Christ did not
critize Peter on his arrival to Jerusalem ON THE
SAME ISSUE OF VISITING AND ASSOCIATING
WITH GENTILES as shown above, then we may
think that it was Peter that was saying nonsense
when he said "YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS
AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE
WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. (Acts 10:28).The
second part of the Peter's statement "BUT GOD
HAS SHOWN ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL
ANYONE IMPURE OR UNCLEAN" is only referring
to the "VISION" he experienced just before the
arrival of the men sent by Cornelius as we have
read from the passage . The statement has
NOTHING to do with the so-called Jesus' new
command of preaching to all the nations of the
world .
Again see the reaction of these Jewish believers in
Christ when Peter finished the narration of his
Vision; "When they heard this, they had NO
FURTHER OBJECTIONS and praised God, saying,
"SO THEN, EVEN THE GENTILES, God has granted
repentance that leads to life.(Acts 11:18 NIV)
Please see the astonishment of these Jewish
believers; "SO THEN, EVEN THE GENTILES" . If
they have already aware about the Jesus'new
command of Preaching to all the Gentiles in
Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47, and Acts
1:8, then WHY ALL THESE ASTONISHMENT?
Please get me clear for the last time. This is MY
POINT: Even if it is true that Peter and other
apostles preached to more Gentiles apart from
Cornelius and his households as you claim, then
what "PERMIT" them to do this was the VISION
that Peter experienced. It is DEFINITELY NOT the
new command of preaching to all the nations
attributed FALSELY to Jesus in Matthew 28:19,
Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47 and Acts 1:8. Otherwise,
the story of events between Peter and Cornelius
and also between Peter and otherJewish believers
are NOT TRUE. Please do you AGREE with me on
this point or not ? ( before I proceed to answer
your questions regarding those verses of Qur'an )

WHAT ABOUT THIS ?

Allah SWT says:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصٰرٰىٓ أَوْلِيَآءَ ۘ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ مِّنْكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ ۥ مِنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِى الْقَوْمَ الظّٰلِمِينَ
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida: Verse 51)


WHY ARE THE MUSLIMS GOING AGAINST THE COMMANDS OF ALLAH.
ALLAH SAYS IN THE ABOVE THAT HE " guides not the wrongdoing people".

At least God instructed Peter to go to the gentiles , but here Allah says he will not guide the wrong people and Muslims should not associate with them.

Are you not an hypocrite by not considering this b4 castigating Christianity ?

THE JEWISH BELIEVERS CRITICIZED HIM: "YOU ENTERED THE HOME OF THE GENTILES AND EVEN ATE WITH THEM!” ( Acts 11:3 NLT) If the other Jewish believers in Christ did not critize Peter on his arrival to Jerusalem ON THE SAME ISSUE OF VISITING AND ASSOCIATING WITH GENTILES as shown above, then we may think that it was Peter that was saying nonsense when he said "YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. (Acts 10:28).The second part of the Peter's statement "BUT GOD HAS SHOWN ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANYONE IMPURE OR UNCLEAN" is only referring to the "VISION" he experienced just before the arrival of the men sent by Cornelius as we have read from the passage . The statement has NOTHING to do with the so-called Jesus' new command of preaching to all the nations of the world . Again see the reaction of these Jewish believers in Christ when Peter finished the narration of his Vision; "When they heard this, they had NO FURTHER OBJECTIONS and praised God, saying, "SO THEN, EVEN THE GENTILES, God has granted repentance that leads to life.(Acts 11:18 NIV) Please see the astonishment of these Jewish believers; "SO THEN, EVEN THE GENTILES" . If they have already aware about the Jesus'new command of Preaching to all the Gentiles in Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47, and Acts 1:8, then WHY ALL THESE ASTONISHMENT? Please get me clear for the last time. This is MY POINT: Even if it is true that Peter and other apostles preached to more Gentiles apart from Cornelius and his households as you claim, then what "PERMIT" them to do this was the VISION that Peter experienced. It is DEFINITELY NOT the new command of preaching to all the nations attributed FALSELY to Jesus in Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47 and Acts 1:8. Otherwise, the story of events between Peter and Cornelius and also between Peter and otherJewish believers are NOT TRUE. Please do you AGREE with me on this point or not ? ( before I proceed to answer your questions regarding those verses of Qur'an )

What Allah was saying in maaida: 51 is that we should not take Jews and Christian as Awliyah ; that is the original arabic word used in Quran. The meaning of this word can be " helper or protector or an intimate friend" .Not an ordinary friend. Get arabic dictionary to confirm this. Please do you agree with me that it is either Matthew 28:19 and its colleagues are fake or Acts 10 and Acts 11 are fake? Both cannot be true.

What Allah was saying in maaida: 51 is that we should not take Jews and Christian as Awliyah ; that is the original arabic word used in Quran. The meaning of this word can be " helper or protector or an intimate friend" .Not an ordinary friend. Get arabic dictionary to confirm this. Please do you agree with me that it is either Matthew 28:19 and its colleagues are fake or Acts 10 and Acts 11 are fake? Both cannot be true. One must be fake

You finally run away

Abdulgaffar22:
What Allah was saying in maaida: 51 is that we should not take Jews and Christian as Awliyah ; that is the original arabic word used in Quran. The meaning of this word can be " helper or protector or an intimate friend" .Not an ordinary friend. Get arabic dictionary to confirm this. Please do you agree with me that it is either Matthew 28:19 and its colleagues are fake or Acts 10 and Acts 11 are fake? Both cannot be true.

What is the essence of preaching to someone to accept a particular religion or to repent? Is it not to help ? That means , Allah does not want the Muslims to help the Christians and the Jews .

compare and contrast the Two scriptures again :

Acts 10:28 KJV
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.


Allah SWT says:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصٰرٰىٓ أَوْلِيَآءَ ۘ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ مِّنْكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ ۥ مِنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِى الْقَوْمَ الظّٰلِمِينَ
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida: Verse 51)

Allah SWT says:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ جٰهِدِ الْكُفَّارَ وَالْمُنٰفِقِينَ وَاغْلُظْ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَمَأْوٰىهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ ۖ وَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ
"O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination."
(QS. At-Tawba: Verse 73)

This surah 9:73 is not even talking about close or far friendship .
Since Muslims are not not expected to preach to non Muslims but to fight against them , it means Islam is not for the world but just for the Arabs as you are trying to proof on this thread against Christianity.

WHAT GAIN WAS THERE FOR THE APOSTLES BY PREACHING TO THE GENTILES? WHAT GAIN WAS THERE FOR THEM?

THEY KNEW IT WOULD AMOUNT TO THEIR DEATH . WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO RISK THEIR LIVES ? THESE WERE MEN WITH NO GUNS ,NO SOLDIERS UNLIKE Muhammad and his followers who were warriors with guns and were taking women captives and collecting booties.

There was no religion contending with the Jews and Christianity , why would they change the words of God and for what gain?

Have you not read that Satan made Muhammad to recite what Allah did not asked him to ? How can you be sure all the Quran is not satanic since Muhammad could not differentiate btw GOD and SATAN?

Allah SWT says:

وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَّسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِىٍّ إِلَّآ إِذَا تَمَنّٰىٓ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطٰنُ فِىٓ أُمْنِيَّتِهِۦ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِى الشَّيْطٰنُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ ءَايٰتِهِۦ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."
(QS. Al-Hajj: Verse 52)

what relationship is there btw God and Satan ?

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 72:
Sahih Bujhari :
Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."

MUHAMMAD WAS ENJOYING SATANIC MUSIC , WHY ?
BECAUSE HE WAS DOING SATAN'S WORK.

you dont understand simple english .What Allah was saying is that we (Muslim) should not take Christian as our helper and protectot or as our bossom friend

Abdulgaffar22:
you dont understand simple english .What Allah was saying is that we (Muslim) should not take Christian as our helper and protectot or as our bossom friend

You want to hide under English grammar .

Let me show you again , in case it has escaped your memory:

Allah SWT says:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصٰرٰىٓ أَوْلِيَآءَ ۘ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ مِّنْكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ ۥ مِنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِى الْقَوْمَ الظّٰلِمِينَ
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] ALLIES of one another. And whoever is an ALLY to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida: Verse 51)

THE WORD ALLY MEANS TO JOIN WITH ANOTHER PERSON OR GROUP ETC, IN ORDER TO GET OR GIVE SUPPORT.
IT MEANS TO FORM OR ENTER INTO AN ALLIANCE WITH SOMEONE.
It is a 2 or more factors that ally together. You give or get.

Go and check your dictionary or you understand English more than dictionary also ?

YOU ARE TRYING .
WHY DID YOU NOT EXPLAIN THE BELOW?

Allah SWT says:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ جٰهِدِ الْكُفَّارَ وَالْمُنٰفِقِينَ وَاغْلُظْ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَمَأْوٰىهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ ۖ وَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ
"O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination."
(QS. At-Tawba: Verse 73)


This is another translation for you :

51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

Can you read the word " friends " from the statement above?

It is FRIENDS AND PROTECTOR not HELPER AND PROTECTOR .

SINCE ALLAH SAYS HE DOES NOT GUIDES WRONGDOERS , WHY SHOULD THE MUSLIM ASK PEOPLE TO ACCEPT ISLAM AS A WAY TO GOD?

Go and pray , this Islam is not a way. The God of the Christians and Jews is not Allah , the god of the Muslims . please believe me.

You may not know , facing kabaah and circumbulating it is PURE IDOLATRY. God cannot live inside the kabaah and if God is not residing in the kabaah , why do you have to face it and pray to it? Why circling it 7 times and pointing to the black stone on each circle ?

If the God of the Bible is the same with the god of the Quran , there mode of worship should at least be relate but the modes of their worships are not correlated at all .
Why ? Is that corrupted also ?
What about the hymn books ? Muslim don't have any.
So many differences.

Mind you , not all Christians will make heaven , may be 10% . It is only those that are living a holy life . Jesus said :

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait ( tiny ) gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

WHICH CHRISTIANS CAN MAKE HEAVEN ? ONLY THOSE WHO DO NOT ENGAGED IN THE BELOW :

Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.