Maamin:


No! Rather pointing to you that the trinity doctrine was not taught by Christ nor his disciples who were closed to him because it never was.

Are you a witness? I don't mean any harm. I just wanna know. Probably I'll know how to explain my views clearly to you

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=69692172]

"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?"

You haven't answered the question
and I am not surprised you stylishly didn't answer it

How did I stylishly didn't answer your question?

To answer your question God can be anywhere at anytime through the power of his holy spirit that fills up or inhabit the worlds even as deep as eternity.

Didn't we just said the same thing in different ways or understanding? The bolded part bellow buttress my point.

What is God, before and after God, became God the Father and/or Son of God?

Don't answer, as I'll tell:
God is Spirit, still remains a Spirit.

Usually the patriarchs got measures of the spirit of God to carry out God's work or agenda
but on the day of Pentecost we got delivery of the Holy Spirit (i.e. total or complete measure of the Spirit of God) that Jesus promised will be despatched.

The Holy Spirit filled the vacuum left by Jesus.

So no one is stylishly leaving out the Holy Spirit.
By default, God naturally, is a Spirit.

The truth that will indeed set anyone free, is realising God cannot be pigeonholed into trinity

In other words there is Jesus and there is God who is a spirit or better known as the Holy spirit?

No the death on the cross doesn't make any sense to me either..
But John 3:16 gave me a clear reason why God died for me.. For God so loved the world.
The reason he did this (permit me to use this. you know what I mean) senseless act is the he so loved me.

I believe I would not be wrong to quote John 3:16 as; "For God so loved the world that He gave his own life, that whosoever believe in Him should not perish but have eternal life. "

But then God is invisible so we wouldn't see him actually die on the cross. So He came in human flesh (as Jesus). Not as another different God or Being. But as the same Being. But he came in a form we can see (as the son). Hence the reason for Jesus' word "if you see me you have seen the Father.
You cannot see the father. Only the Son
You cannot see the father hence He dwelt fully in his Son.

I know this may not make sense to you. I had problem believing it too.
But I believe that when I pray to Jesus, sing to Jesus or worship Jesus I don't worship another being but I worship the creator of the heavens and the earth. So Jesus is my God. Jesus is my Yahweh. He is my saviour. My.......

Perfectbeing:


I do not believe the father, son and spirit as three different or separate beings.
I told you earlier that the son is begotten from God. He is not like God. He is God. Same goes for the Holy Spirit.. I view all of them as one.
If any trinitarian believe them as 3 entities that's their believe.. Not mine.
I didn't get all these beliefs from man. I get them from the very Bible we all read..

Good, now does the word "God" in your comment above also means "the father"?

If yes, may be we can replace it with "the father" and see what we arrive at.

Maamin:


Now all thrones in revelations are figurative?

Continue I'm all ears. Following

I think the reason you want to see a third throne is that you still think of the Trinity is 3 Persons. The Holy Spirit is not an additional person, but God. They are not 3 separate beings who require separate thrones or place of authority. They're all the same God

Maamin:
How did I stylishly didn't answer your question?

"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?"
That above is the question reproduced.
For a question such like that, I was expecting a binary answer

Maamin:
To answer your question
God can be anywhere at anytime through the power of his holy spirit that fills up or inhabit the worlds even as deep as eternity.

And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.
- Isaiah 11:2

(1) Spirit of God,
(2) Spirit that gives extraordinary wisdom,
(3) Spirit that gives extraordinary insight & understanding that provides the ability to execute plans
(4) Spirit that gives advice,
(5) Spirit that gives power,
(6) Spirit of knowledge,
(7) Spirit that produces absolute loyalty to God.

Thank you. Hmm, kayefi.
Isnt it amazing that, its through of the power of His Holy Spirit, that God does all that He does
(i.e. or its with the help, of the power of the Seven spirits of God that God achieves and fulfils each and all that's in His Mind)

It is with the power of the Holy Spirit (i.e. the Seven spirits of God) that, God, took it on Himself to be a human being.
So in cahoot with the power of the Holy Spirit (i.e. power of the Seven Spirits of God)
became man in form, in the person of Jesus, the Son of God, God the Son.

Maamin:
Didn't we just said the same thing in different ways or understanding?
The bolded part bellow buttress my point

I'll enjoy you sharing in details exactly what the point is you were buttressing

Maamin:
In other words there is Jesus and there is God who is a spirit or better known as the Holy spirit

Jesus, is the incarnation of God,
the incarnation of the God who is a Spirit,
the incarnation of the God, better known for His Holy Spirit (i.e. the Seven spirits, the total or complete measure of the Spirit of God)

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Maamin:
The Holy Spirit is always left out of these greetings, isn't it unusual if actually the trinity was scriptural or Christ taught it?

Abeggy chop knuckle jaare

The Holy Spirit, just like God is invisible, is of intangible attributes
Even human beings dont send greetings to and/or from attributes

Though part of the Godhead, no one prays to the Holy Spirit.
We pray for the move of the Holy Spirit, pray for the Holy Spirit to stir,
we pray for the Holy Spirit to convict, we pray that the Holy Spirit teach or reveal things
but no one prays to the Holy Spirit
We pray to God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God

Perfectbeing:
In other words, there's the father and the son but not the Holy Spirit..
Is that what you're saying or am I misinterpreting you?

What he's saying, is, God cant be boxed in,
God is a free Spirit, who cant be limited to trinity or be restricted by trinity

Maamin:
No!
Rather pointing to you that the trinity doctrine was not taught by Christ nor his disciples who were closed to him because it never was.

Abeggy chop knuckle again jaare

Perfectbeing

1a. The God eternal that begets eternal Jesus is God. The one that is begotten is God. Not another God but the very same eternal God.

OK let's do it like this
the God that beget Jesus is God (the father)
The one that is begotten is God (the son)

The point here is that one is father and the other is son. They can't be equal

1b. I think the fact that John 3:16 talks about Jesus being the "ONLY" begotten son of God will answer this question.
I'm sure you knew what I meant though. Probably you didn't though.

In such case reconcile it with the Holy spirit too, since it was not begotten at anytime.

Perfectbeing:
The word Trinity is gotten from two words Tri( three) and unity.

This is probably what you guys think of the Trinity; 1+1+1=3.

This is what I believe the Trinity is; 1x1x1=1.

Why multiplication? Why not any other sign? Lol

Let's just leave that out

Maamin:
OK let's do it like this
the God that beget Jesus is God (the father)
The one that is begotten is God (the son)

The point here is that one is father and the other is son. They can't be equal

In such case reconcile it with the Holy spirit too, since it was not begotten at anytime.

"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?"
I purposely asked the above, my earlier question

Though it is the same Person, though the Father and Son are One
but in the status of being Father and being Son, they arent equal
In the status of being Son, the Son is subjected to the Father
The Son is loyal to the will and plan of the Father
The Son does not do what the Son never sees the Father do

Maamin:
In such case reconcile it with the Holy spirit too, since it was not begotten at anytime.

The Holy Spirit is the prime mover in the Godhead
Just like God, it is self existent

Perfectbeing:


Did you read my post where I explained why God is called father of our Lord Jesus. It seems you haven't. Please do

At what point did Jesus became the Son of God?

Perfectbeing:


Are you a witness? I don't mean any harm. I just wanna know. Probably I'll know how to explain my views clearly to you

To be frank, I am not a JW. Many always think I am because of my believe.

Perfectbeing:
Did you read my post where I explained why God is called father of our Lord Jesus. It seems you haven't. Please do

Maamin:
At what point did Jesus became the Son of God?

It started when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, at that point onwards, God began to form inside Mary's womb to be born as the Son of God

Perfectbeing:
Are you a witness? I don't mean any harm. I just wanna know. Probably I'll know how to explain my views clearly to you

Maamin:
To be frank, I am not a JW. Many always think I am because of my believe.

I am colour blind, I am denomination atheistic.
I see everyone as a human being period.
I dont ask who you are, what you are or whatnot

Perfectbeing:


I think the reason you want to see a third throne is that you still think of the Trinity is 3 Persons. The Holy Spirit is not an additional person, but God. They are not 3 separate beings who require separate thrones or place of authority. They're all the same God

Two thrones in revelations, why?

Maamin:


OK let's do it like this
the God that beget Jesus is God (the father)
The one that is begotten is God (the son)

The point here is that one is father and the other is son. They can't be equal



In such case reconcile it with the Holy spirit too, since it was not begotten at anytime.

The only point I'm trying to make here is that there is "God"
The invisible God is God.
The Visible God is God.
The Spirit of God is God.
1x1x1=1.

And to your last statement. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. What is the Spirit of God and what is God. Aren't they the same thing.

MuttleyLaff:
"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?"
That above is the question reproduced.
For a question such like that, I was expecting a binary answer

And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.
- Isaiah 11:2

(1) Spirit of God,
(2) Spirit that gives extraordinary wisdom,
(3) Spirit that gives extraordinary insight & understanding that provides the ability to execute plans
(4) Spirit that gives advice,
(5) Spirit that gives power,
(6) Spirit of knowledge,
(7) Spirit that produces absolute loyalty to God.

Thank you. Hmm, kayefi.
Isnt it amazing that, its through of the power of His Holy Spirit, that God does all that He does
(i.e. or its with the help, of the power of the Seven spirits of God that God achieves and fulfils each and all that's in His Mind)

It is with the power of the Holy Spirit (i.e. the Seven spirits of God) that, God, took it on Himself to be a human being.
So in cahoot with the power of the Holy Spirit (i.e. power of the Seven Spirits of God)
became man in form, in the person of Jesus, the Son of God, God the Son.

I'll enjoy you sharing in details exactly what the point is you were buttressing

Jesus, is the incarnation of God,
the incarnation of the God who is a Spirit,
the incarnation of the God, better known for His Holy Spirit (i.e. the Seven spirits, the total or complete measure of the Spirit of God)

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Abeggy chop knuckle jaare

The Holy Spirit, just like God is invisible, is of intangible attributes
Even human beings dont send greetings to and/or from attributes

Though part of the Godhead, no one prays to the Holy Spirit.
We pray for the move of the Holy Spirit, pray for the Holy Spirit to stir,
we pray for the Holy Spirit to convict, we pray that the Holy Spirit teach or reveal things
but no one prays to the Holy Spirit
We pray to God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God

What he's saying, is, God cant be boxed in,
God is a free Spirit, who cant be limited to trinity or be restricted by trinity

Abeggy chop knuckle again jaare

I'll like to use Isaiah 11:2 to ask a question.
Isaiah 11:2 And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

Are the Spirit of the Lord, The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might and the Spirit of knowledge different from each other?

Maamin:

Why multiplication? Why not any other sign? Lol
Let's just leave that out

why not multiplication? Why any other sign? lol let's not leave that out.

Maamin:

At what point did Jesus became the Son of God?

Did you read it?

MuttleyLaff:


It started when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, at that point onwards, God began to form inside Mary's womb to be born as the Son of God



I am colour blind, I am denomination atheistic.
I see everyone as a human being period.
I dont ask who you are, what you are or whatnot

I assume you're a believer

Maamin:


Two thrones in revelations, why?

I actually don't know how else to construct my English o.. What tribe are you? So I can use Google Translator..

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=69698844]

"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?"
That above is the question reproduced.
For a question such like that, I was expecting a binary answer

Simultaneously in other words To be everywhere at anytime

And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.
- Isaiah 11:2

(1) Spirit of God,
(2) Spirit that gives extraordinary wisdom,
(3) Spirit that gives extraordinary insight & understanding that provides the ability to execute plans
(4) Spirit that gives advice,
(5) Spirit that gives power,
(6) Spirit of knowledge,
(7) Spirit that produces absolute loyalty to God.

Ok

Thank you. Hmm, kayefi.
Isnt it amazing that, its through of the power of His Holy Spirit, that God does all that He does
(i.e. or its with the help, of the power of the Seven spirits of God that God achieves and fulfils each and all that's in His Mind)

Ok

It is with the power of the Holy Spirit (i.e. the Seven spirits of God) that, God, took it on Himself to be a human being.
So in cahoot with the power of the Holy Spirit (i.e. power of the Seven Spirits of God)
became man in form, in the person of Jesus, the Son of God, God the Son.

I'll enjoy you sharing in details exactly what the point is you were buttressing

I said God can be anywhere at anytime through the power of his holy spirit that fills up or inhabit the worlds even as deep as eternity.

And I you said but on the day of Pentecost we got delivery of the Holy Spirit (i.e. total or complete measure of the Spirit of God)

And went even further to add "the holy spirit filled up the vacuum Jesus left
"

Jesus, is the incarnation of God,
the incarnation of the God who is a Spirit,
the incarnation of the God, better known for His Holy Spirit (i.e. the Seven spirits, the total or complete measure of the Spirit of God)

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Abeggy chop knuckle jaare

I kind of prefer the word emanation to use than incarnation my opinion though

Seun needs to add knuckle emoji



The Holy Spirit, just like God is invisible, is of intangible attributes
Even human beings dont send greetings to and/or from attributes

Though part of the Godhead, no one prays to the Holy Spirit.
We pray for the move of the Holy Spirit, pray for the Holy Spirit to stir,
we pray for the Holy Spirit to convict, we pray that the Holy Spirit teach or reveal things
but no one prays to the Holy Spirit
We pray to God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God

Gbam!

What he's saying, is, God cant be boxed in,
God is a free Spirit, who cant be limited to trinity or be restricted by trinity

Abeggy chop knuckle again jaare

Seun really need to add knuckle emoji

People don't find it hard to understand the omnipotence of God. But they find it hard to understand that he can be both the father and the son and the Holy Spirit. Not as three persons. But as one God.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=69700259]"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?"
I purposely asked the above, my earlier question

Though it is the same Person, though the Father and Son are One
but in the status of being Father and being Son, they arent equal
In the status of being Son, the Son is subjected to the Father
The Son is loyal to the will and plan of the Father
The Son does not do what the Son never sees the Father do

Reason the father is all in all and greater than all.

The Holy Spirit is the prime mover in the Godhead
Just like God, it is self existent

Yes! the power of the highest that quickens, that brought into accomplishment.

Perfectbeing:
I'll like to use Isaiah 11:2 to ask a question.
Isaiah 11:2 And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

Are the Spirit of the Lord, The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might and the Spirit of knowledge different from each other?

They are the essense of the Holy Spirit
Holy, when used in conjunction with Spirit, means, complete, means the total, means wholly

It's similar, in relation to believers attribute when talking about the fruit of the Holy Spirit, which are:
love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
just as the attributes of the fruit of the Holy Spirit are different to each other,
so the seven fold spirit of God differ from each other

Is wisdom not different from understanding?
Is knowledge not different from counsel?
Is power not different from obedience or loyalty?

And I have filled him with the spirit of God,
in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
- Exodus 31:3

He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all kinds of workmanship
- Exodus 35:31

Usually the patriarchs got bursts or measures of the spirit of God to carry out God's work or agenda
You often read in the bible that the spirit of God descended on so-so and so

Well case in point, is Exodus 31:3 7 Exodus 35:31 reproduced above, about Bezalel

That was then but on the day of Pentecost we got delivery of the Holy Spirit (i.e. total or complete measure of the Spirit of God) that Jesus promised will be despatched.

MuttleyLaff:
"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?"

Maamin:
Simultaneously in other words To be everywhere at anytime

God is already everywhere at anytime

"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently
be, God the Father in Heaven
and be the Son of God on earth, at any moment of time?"

MuttleyLaff:
They are the essense of the Holy Spirit
Holy, when used in conjunction with Spirit, means, complete, means the total, means wholly

It's similar, in relation to believers attribute when talking about the fruit of the Holy Spirit, which are:
love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
just as the attributes of the fruit of the Holy Spirit are different to each other,
so the seven fold spirit of God differ from each other

Is wisdom not different from understanding?
Is knowledge not different from counsel?
Is power not different from obedience or loyalty?

And I have filled him with the spirit of God,
in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
- Exodus 31:3

He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all kinds of workmanship
- Exodus 35:31

Usually the patriarchs got bursts or measures of the spirit of God to carry out God's work or agenda
You often read in the bible that the spirit of God descended on so-so and so

Well case in point, is Exodus 31:3 7 Exodus 35:31 reproduced above, about Bezalel

That was then but on the day of Pentecost we got delivery of the Holy Spirit (i.e. total or complete measure of the Spirit of God) that Jesus promised will be despatched.

Sorry to ask. Is the Spirit of God different from the Holy Spirit?

Perfectbeing:
Sorry to ask.
Is the Spirit of God different from the Holy Spirit?

Perfectbeing, God is a Spirit and so invisible
The Spirit of God, just like God, is invisible too, and of intangible attributes

Now the Spirit of God is not different from the Holy Spirit
because the Holy Spirit, essentially, is the total or complete measure of what the Spirit of God is

The "Holy", in Holy Spirit, signifies purposefully set aside
It also signifies wholly, meaning the entirety, fullness, the full measure, combined effect, of the Spirit of God

There is one Spirit of God, just as there is one fruit of the Holy Spirit
however there are seven flavours to experience in this one Spirit of God
and nine flavours to taste in this one fruit of the Holy Spirit

Numbers seven and nine, symbolises perfection or completeness for both God and man respectively

MuttleyLaff:
Perfectbeing, God is a Spirit and so invisible
The Spirit of God, just like God, is invisible too, and of intangible attributes

Now the Spirit of God is not different from the Holy Spirit
because the Holy Spirit, essentially, is the total or complete measure of what the Spirit of God is

The "Holy", in Holy Spirit, signifies purposefully set aside
It also signifies wholly, meaning the entirety, fullness, the full measure, combined effect, of the Spirit of God

There is one Spirit of God, just as there is one fruit of the Holy Spirit
however there are seven flavours to experience in this one Spirit of God
and nine flavours to taste in this one fruit of the Holy Spirit

Numbers seven and nine, symbolises perfection or completeness for both God and man respectively

Hmm.. you seem well bred in the scriptures.
More grace to you

MuttleyLaff:


God is already everywhere at anytime

"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently
be, God the Father in Heaven
and be the Son of God on earth, at any moment of time?"

No!

MuttleyLaff:


God is already everywhere at anytime

"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently
be, God the Father in Heaven
and be the Son of God on earth, at any moment of time?"

"From heaven (Yahweh, Jehovah) looks down and sees all mankind.; From his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth". Ps33:13,14. Ps11:4,5. God's word is truth. Shalom

Peacefullove:


Is this what we are talking about ?

Guy , you don't know anything about this topic, Go and sleep

and you go back to your nightmare, so called christian

Yahovah:
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
Jesus:
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

MuttleyLaff:
"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?"

Maamin:
Simultaneously in other words To be everywhere at anytime

MuttleyLaff:
God is already everywhere at anytime

"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently
be, God the Father in Heaven
and be the Son of God on earth, at any moment of time?"

Maamin:
No!

Why No!

1/ OK, so, are you saying, No! because you think and/or believe that, it is something impossible for God to do
that it is beyond God to do something like that?
2/ Maamin, if you need something done, if you need the thing done right
or needed it be done, in a very certain or particular way,
but there is no one, putting themselves forward to help,
but there is no one, offerring themselves &/or their services to help have this something done

If you've looked someone, looked for a man, among human beings,
who would rebuild the hedge (i.e. the wall of righteousness that guards the land),
If You've searched for someone, to stand in the gap or breach in the wall, before You, and on behalf of the land,
so that it won't be destroyed, but You found no one

There is no one to help, time is running out and it is increasingly and strongly becoming necessary for this something to be done,
now Maamin, in the absence of anyone coming forward, in the absence of anyone assisting, in the absence of anyone being up to the task,
if you're quite capable, able and especially, have the ability, means, know how, experience, skills to do this required & much needed something,
Maamin, if you can be the man, the man to deliver, if you can be the person, to get the work done,
would you not do it yourself, would you not go ahead and put yourself forward?
Would it not be best for you, considering the circumstances & situation, to do it yourself?

cc OneJ