ScienceWatch:
And your reply made me roll on the floor laughing because that was what I hoped my reply would do for you.

You arrogantly believe that you are "too advanced" and like a poorly tuned engine I simply had to "retard" you. You should function better and more economical from now.
The "pinking" in your brain that sounded like a metallic knocking will be gone.
Go for a drive into the LIGHT and see your improved performance.
I did it for free.

winner01:
You should learn from honest atheists.

You claim you give evidence, yet you don't think atheism is a worldview. Ironic!

You are mostly unreasonable and dishonest internet trolls. I can create a thread to prove this in my spare time.

You're being defensive for nothing. Don't worry, I'm not trying to take your atheism from you. The thread is about scrutinizing evidences which atheists claim will convince them, nothing more.

My point. No one really cares if your personal experience is true or not. Your personal experience can't be evidence for another person and certainly you need not shove it down peoples throats.

Understand that I'm not interested in discussing my personal belief here, neither am I interested in providing evidence for anyone here. This thread is for a totally different reason.

bloodofthelamb:
The burden of prove is not on Christians. We believe our God exist and can be reached through faith because he exist outside this material world. You on the other hand is sure that he does not exist base on your words. So you have to prove what you know does not exist.

This is simple.

festwiz:
This reply killed half the population of Venezuela.

budaatum:

I beg to differ! It's a God, for Christ sake. After I allow my so called pride to make me stubbornly unreceptive to evidence I demanded and that is provided, the God can just strike me dumb and tell me to return after I lose my pride. Of course I'd most likely run to a doctor and ask for a cure, but after being seen by numerous doctors and not getting my voice back, I'm sure I'd eventually go, "ok God, if you are really real, give me my voice back" , and if on saying so I immediately become able to speak, then fear, if nothing else, would surely make me proclaim that there is a God.

But if perchance my pride is super pride and still stops me proclaiming the existence of the God who gave me evidence which I refused to accept, then took my voice and gave it back, then that God can just take my voice away again. By then, I would most certainly go about writing, "There is a God o" since I wouldn't be able to speak. I assure you, at that point, no one would be begging God in my mind and writing more than I would.

But just in case I have a super super dose of this pride you speak of, the God can always add some death at the next 12 noon to it. Let's see if my pride would help me last till 11:59 before I capitulate and say "ok God, you indeed exist".

Of course, any sensible person would wonder what the heck I was talking to in the first place if not God. So evidence, for me, after checking that I am of sound mind, would be the fact that there is something that I am asking to provide evidence for it's existence, in the very first place.

The fact that there is an entity to ask to provide evidence that that entity exists is evidence that that entity exists, provided I am of sound mind of course.

ScienceWatch:
Your question deserve a fair answer even though you are an atheist. I have noticed something very disturbing among atheists, they really battle to understand basic concepts of most transcendental realities because of the gross material nature of their thinking.

You may be an exception and honestly want that knowledge and experience. So to cut to the chase, it would be fair to warn you that there are only two forces that dominate the transcendental domain, the light and the dark. You are free to choose between the two, but either way you can't choose the resultant consequences. The experience can be very powerful depending on how deep you want to go because it defies physical laws. Be warned that all transcendental training connects you to powerful intelligent spirits.

All true religions, witchcraft, yoga, satanism etc etc all offer real practical transcendental experiences, make Google your friend.

If at the end of a very long journey you want to experience the transcendental reality of connecting to the spirit of Jesus Christ, you will finally know that it is the purest spirit man can experience.
I won't say more because I never evangelize to atheists, that is why I have briefly provided you with many possibilities available based on your own question.
Take care !

winner01:

Less than 5% of all humans have won this battle or which battle are you talking about again?

Butterflyleo:


Winner01, somehow I never received the mention for this thread despite my moniker being on the list. I wonder why.
Anyway, on that Johnny's thread I saw right through it from the get go and saw its absolute illogicality and told him but he chose to continue on his wild goose chase in folly.

Long story short, Atheism and evidence for God when brought side by side can be as deceptive and slippery as a well oiled snake for there is no universally held ground for their evidence being sought. They only hold a universal ground for the non existence of God.

Based on this, I came to realise that arguing with atheists is absolutely fruitless and a waste of time I would have put into more profitable ventures and that I would be actually dancing to their tune when I do so and further encourage their slippery evidence individual positions.

This was why I created a thread about avoiding atheists and their numerous arguments which even the bible encourages that we avoid arguments that profit nothing.

I am really proud of you for this write up. It is clear, profound and truthful to a T.

God bless you

winner01:
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ScienceWatch:
Your question deserve a fair answer even though you are an atheist. I have noticed something very disturbing among atheists, they really battle to understand basic concepts of most transcendental realities because of the gross material nature of their thinking.

You may be an exception and honestly want that knowledge and experience. So to cut to the chase, it would be fair to warn you that[b] there are only two forces that dominate the transcendental domain, the light and the dark[/b]. You are free to choose between the two, but either way you can't choose the resultant consequences. The experience can be very powerful depending on how deep you want to go because it defies physical laws. Be warned that all transcendental training connects you to powerful intelligent spirits.

All true religions, witchcraft, yoga, satanism etc etc all offer real practical transcendental experiences, make Google your friend.

If at the end of a very long journey you want to experience the transcendental reality of connecting to the spirit of Jesus Christ, you will finally know that it is the purest spirit man can experience.
I won't say more because I never evangelize to atheists, that is why I have briefly provided you with many possibilities available based on your own question.
Take care !

bloodofthelamb:
I believe the message winner01 is passing across is this: Atheist have no right to boldly say, "there is no God" without prove.

They ought to be saying their might or might not be God.

bloodofthelamb:
I believe the message winner01 is passing across is this: Atheist have no right to boldly say, "there is no God" without prove.

They ought to be saying their might or might not be God.

bloodofthelamb:
budaatum, you are for no God why I am for God exist. I preach relationship with God through faith in Christ.

You oppose me saying that the God I preach about does not exist without prove. Oh prophet of Atheism are you saying that my God does not exist through faith or knowledge? Knowing fully well that there are so many things that exist that our physical eyes cannot see.

There are some truth seekers out there, who will like to know how you concluded with certainty that God does not exist.

bloodofthelamb:
I believe the message winner01 is passing across is this: Atheist have no right to boldly say, "there is no God" without prove.

They ought to be saying their might or might not be God.

darkchild64:

Fine from this moment on I am no longer an atheist(in its most literal terms) I believe that "God" exists but the God I believe in is a worm like butterfly that created the universe in 6 seconds,he farted and then man was created after which he went into an "avatar like state" promising to resurface a century after a trillion years,the name of my God is Ty

Well you don't have any right to say that "Ty" doesn't exist,you ought to be saying he might be a dragon and not a worm after all

Oops and did I say that he has a son named Tyson,Tyson is radioactive and dwells in the sun that is why nobody can approach him,meanwhile Tyson is older than Ty

orisa37:
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Cast not your Pearls before swines.

bloodofthelamb:


Best of luck with your god.

bloodofthelamb:
The burden of prove is not on Christians. We believe our God exist and can be reached through faith because he exist outside this material world. You on the other hand is sure that he does not exist base on your words. So you have to prove what you know does not exist.

This is simple.

felixomor:

Butter.flyleo
Honestly
Something fishy may be happening.
I hope its not what I am thinking.

I am no longer receiving mentions
Despite my moniker being on this list.


Winner01
God bless you sir.
Your patience on the keyboard in carefully dissecting these Dawkin wannabes, is a gift I covet.

Wow. Thanks

davien:
You keep bringing up the term "transcendent" and vouching for a well understood version of reality that excludes the one we experience(@bolded) but I and I believe all other atheists or skeptics alike haven't gotten a response on how you became convinced of such.. Why is the answer kept within you or waved aside if it were so basic? Are basic things not explained or accounted for?


And in all honesty where did you acquire information on a transcendent domain above your and everyone else's "material thinking"(from the post I replied first), you see information is all nice and good but the way we acquire accurate information is by asking for the basis with which it was acquired or known to be at most near truthful..
You talking on forces of" light and dark" mean nothing to me if I don't have a clue what you are talking about, I'd merely be ignorantly following along to a topic and accepting nothing but your word of mouth.. Is that how you got to know of it also?

All I've ever come across are claims with interpretations without end, is there one you'd like to highlight which can't be grouped as one or we can say may hold an iota of truth in some sense?

Though all you've provided me with are just your word for word statements they are appreciated, but wouldn't you want to believe in something you know to be true in some sense and not feelings which waver under question and become stagnant to change in thinking.. We should be able to improve in our knowledge and find better answers to all ramifications of life this way don't you think?

bloodofthelamb:
The burden of prove is not on Christians. We believe our God exist and can be reached through faith because he exist outside this material world. You on the other hand is sure that he does not exist base on your words. So you have to prove what you know does not exist.

This is simple.

ScienceWatch:
Thank you for expressing your concerns and frustrations. The Transcendental realities can not be understood even with a mere PhD. All atheists are stuck where you are with puny secular education and growing arrogance to stroke their ego's.
What I have written obviously confused you as you confess, but every person world wide that experienced transcendental reality knows exactly what I mean. Don't let it bother you, for you only stand worshiping NO-GOD in the Matrix.

Have you ever wondered why children and humble adults learn so rapidly ?

I responded to your question which was, "How do you know, can detect or be aware of a transcendent reality?" As is very clear from my response I never set out to prove anything in the spirit of the Op, WinnerO1 and Butterfly laboured on guidelines that I respect.
With good intention I asked you to make Google your friend but you quickly came back frustrated and critical. This reveal serious character flaws that certainly block entry into the transcendental reality you feigned interest in, on the other hand these flaws are welcomed in domain governing darkness.

Last tip: Don't flaunt your education or status while searching for knowledge and evidence of transcendental realities, that alone disqualifies you. Respect the rules governing the transcendental domain of your choice.

rekinomtla:
There's nothing that can convinced a dogmatic anti-theist atheist that God exists. This is the kind of atheist who has been thoroughly brainwashed by anti-religous propaganda. He/she considers religion to be the biggest "problem" today and often (always) dishonesty links and blames religion for the actions of theists.

davien:
I didn't say I'm stuck understanding, I asked you to explain how you understand or find any of what you are saying to be true..
Will you do that? Or keep dishonestly posting gibberish and answering a straw man?

ScienceWatch:
Then you understand my dishonest gibberish Abe ?

ScienceWatch:
Thank you for your wise advice sir. It came at just the right time as I am trying to work out how genuine Davien is about his enquiry.