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Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by bloodofthelamb(m): 10:23pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
The burden of prove is not on Christians. We believe our God exist and can be reached through faith because he exist outside this material world. You on the other hand is sure that he does not exist base on your words. So you have to prove what you know does not exist. This is simple. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by festwiz(m): 10:33pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:This reply killed half the population of Venezuela. |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 10:59pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Atheism is not a "worldview", whatever that means, least I never said it was. It's not like we all go somewhere to be converted. Go read what atheists have to say for themselves on here and you'd find some of us just don't believe or accept the existence of gods and later found out such attitudes are called atheism. You'd also find out there's all different sorts of us. I for instance, have been described as a Christian Atheist, which sounds like an anathema to some atheists even though I'd categorically state that gods are the figments of the imagination that only exist in the minds of those who hold to the belief that they exist. I never said my personal experience is evidence for anyone. I in fact said that I wouldn't be as stupid as to ask any atheist to take my word for it even if what I'm telling them managed to convince me! And I categorically stated how impossible it is to get you to accept my evidence as valid for the opposing position to your's that I hold. Atheist don't tend to believe stuff. If we did, we'd have been converted on someone like your's say so ages ago. But listen to us deride you left right and centre when we but just think you are trying to convert us! You can rant and rave as much as you want, 01, that your intention of creating this thread is for a totally different purpose. But we all know that it's sole purpose is so you and your sort can go about claiming you and your god are better than we no-godders. It's your sole reason for existing on here and you can't all of a sudden try to make out that you are some new wine whilst remaining in a rather old and tired bottle especially when you taste exactly as you always have in the opening post of your thread. I'm going to bother to repost what would possibly convert me here though I doubt it would make an iotic amount of difference. winner01: 1 Like |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 11:18pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb:I'm hoping you are way more intelligent than some. You are a Christian, I assume. Please tell me why I, an atheist, have to prove to you that God does not exist? What do I hope to gain from that, I ask, and how do I possibly go about it? Is there really anything I can say that would make you abandon your Almighty God? I doubt there is. And to be honest, neither could you possibly convince me that your God exists for me, despite the fact that you believe you stand a better chance than me because you believe you have your God on your side. And then consider. If your God does actually exist, who loses? Is it not me? If I were a Christian, I'd go as far as pitying the poor lost atheist for his lack of belief in God. But most so called Christians peddle their version of God as if their God gives a flying fuq what some puny insignificant atheist thinks. Just goes to show how some hold their gods! That's the issue we could have come to understand on this thread. But that does not appear to have been the intention of the op. If only he had allowed God to take control instead of his ego. I am certain His Will would have been done, whatever that may have been, instead of the perverted will of the op! |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by ScienceWatch: 11:19pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
festwiz:Lmao. Your humour is off the charts. 1 Like |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 11:22pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
On What Could Possibly Serve As Evidence To Convert Buda budaatum: |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by davien(m): 12:30am On Jul 26, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:You keep bringing up the term "transcendent" and vouching for a well understood version of reality that excludes the one we experience(@bolded) but I and I believe all other atheists or skeptics alike haven't gotten a response on how you became convinced of such.. Why is the answer kept within you or waved aside if it were so basic? Are basic things not explained or accounted for?
And in all honesty where did you acquire information on a transcendent domain above your and everyone else's "material thinking"(from the post I replied first), you see information is all nice and good but the way we acquire accurate information is by asking for the basis with which it was acquired or known to be at most near truthful.. You talking on forces of" light and dark" mean nothing to me if I don't have a clue what you are talking about, I'd merely be ignorantly following along to a topic and accepting nothing but your word of mouth.. Is that how you got to know of it also? All I've ever come across are claims with interpretations without end, is there one you'd like to highlight which can't be grouped as one or we can say may hold an iota of truth in some sense? Though all you've provided me with are just your word for word statements they are appreciated, but wouldn't you want to believe in something you know to be true in some sense and not feelings which waver under question and become stagnant to change in thinking.. We should be able to improve in our knowledge and find better answers to all ramifications of life this way don't you think? |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by felixomor: 5:42am On Jul 26, 2018 |
winner01: You. Nailed him sir 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by felixomor: 5:48am On Jul 26, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Butterflyleo Honestly Something fishy may be happening. I hope its not what I am thinking. I am no longer receiving mentions Despite my moniker being on this list. Winner01 God bless you sir. Your patience on the keyboard in carefully dissecting these Dawkin wannabes, is a gift I covet. Wow. Thanks 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by orisa37: 6:08am On Jul 26, 2018 |
winner01:. Cast not your Pearls before swines. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by Evangkatsoulis: 8:05am On Jul 26, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:Again, @bolded. How do you know this about a transcendental reality |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by bloodofthelamb(m): 8:09am On Jul 26, 2018 |
budaatum, you are for no God why I am for God exist. I preach relationship with God through faith in Christ. You oppose me saying that the God I preach about does not exist without prove. Oh prophet of Atheism are you saying that my God does not exist through faith or knowledge? Knowing fully well that there are so many things that exist that our physical eyes cannot see. There are some truth seekers out there, who will like to know how you concluded with certainty that God does not exist. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by bloodofthelamb(m): 8:30am On Jul 26, 2018 |
I believe the message winner01 is passing across is this: Atheist have no right to boldly say, "there is no God" without prove. They ought to be saying their might or might not be God. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by davien(m): 10:54am On Jul 26, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb:Why should anyone use might for something that doesn't have valid evidence? Saying might indicates there being a possibility of some sort and nothing so far presents it being possible for a God to exist, same way nobody is justified to say you might be dead when no evidence points to that.. Evidence is needed to say something might be possible, take for example, life.. Built on around carbon, we can say silicon life might be possible because silicon undergoes the same type of bonds and organochemistry but we still need more evidence to justify this "might". So in what vain might a god/gods exist? |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by Nobody: 11:02am On Jul 26, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb:Fine from this moment on I am no longer an atheist(in its most literal terms) I believe that "God" exists but the God I believe in is a worm like butterfly that created the universe in 6 seconds,he farted and then man was created after which he went into an "avatar like state" promising to resurface a century after a trillion years,the name of my God is Ty Well you don't have any right to say that "Ty" doesn't exist,you ought to be saying he might be a dragon and not a worm after all Oops and did I say that he has a son named Tyson,Tyson is radioactive and dwells in the sun that is why nobody can approach him,meanwhile Tyson is older than Ty 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 12:47pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb:Let's get this in context. If we were walking down the street somewhere, and you came up to preach "relationship with God through faith in Christ to me" I'd either say I'm not interested, or leave me alone, and you'd probably do just that. However, we are here on a forum discussing the specific "existence of God", so you might understand why you'd get the response you get from atheists. And especially in a thread with the title this one has. Now, let's consider what you claim you preach, a "relationship with your God through faith in Christ". If you do mean God as explained by Jesus Christ, then you must mean the God of Love. In which case in "preaching" to me you are claiming to shower me with love, for that is how you as a Christian are asked by Christ to worship God. For "Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." And I put it to you that you can't go 'least' than me, an atheist! (How's that for a definition of God that some have asked for?) Do tell, if you did that, 'shower me with love', and my response were "there is no God", does that not just show that there is something seriously wrong with me, perhaps like a demon is in me, which indeed can only be cured by the 'Blood of Christ', which is more love? Just imagine me shouting, "there is no God", to every "relationship with God through faith in Christ" , which manifests in the love that you shower me with by being godly in your responses to me. Do you not think that after I have made enough of a fool of myself, I would eventually have to get behind you and dissappear in a puff of smoke and become a 'nobody' on Nairaland? You go check how many of those there are who have disappeared and become 'nobody' because they made complete fools of themselves and exist no more! I put it to you that some return born again with a new moniker in an attempt to disassociate from their stupid past! But what exactly do we get from some of the so called Christians on here? Abuse, insults, hatred, derision! Or can you seriously tell me they actually differ to we so called by some, "demonically possessed atheists" on here? They offer serpents and stones instead of bread, are wolves in sheep's skins, rather than turn the other cheek, they attack first, they preach what they themselves can not do, and then ask that I join in and become like them and worship that god of theirs! Please tell, is that in any way a "relationship with God through faith in Christ"? May God forbid bad thing! I am and must be atheistic to their god! First, it is in no way the Almighty God, which in claiming it is they make non-existent just by their false proclamation! Second, their particular god does not even exist except in their minds as a figment of the imagination, and if I were to be honest, it is more the opposite of a god than any god at all. Third, even if it does exist outside their minds, I must fight against it's spread and eradicate it if I can for it only brings sorrow tears and blood and not the everlasting life promised by Christ. And lastly, though there are many more reasons, I must most definitely not become like them, because if I join in in not showing Love to the least of these whom I see before me, I most definitely can not honestly claim to be doing for the Lord God Almighty whom I see not and "will go away to eternal punishment" in the deepest pit of hades, as is promised, because in actual fact, I crucify Christ by my evil actions! There are quite a lot of Believers on here who don't just 'believe' in God, but "do his will" as in "preach a relationship with God through faith in Christ" and by effect truly make God exist. When they create threads, atheists stay away, or behave themselves, for it is as if the ops of those threads put seals on them that keep us out or make us behave decently. Those people are the salt of the earth, the mustard seeds, the blessed peacemakers, so to speak, for they are the mud breathed into and that breathe manifests as the living Spirit of God in them. They open their mouths and the Kingdom of God is observed, and God too. But the one's who's sole aim is to open threads to proclaim their gratitude to their gods that they are not like the atheists over there, and who do not for the least of those whom they see, who think their faith is more important than the doing of "His Will", is it not true that they do not for the Father who art in Heaven, and shall weep and gnash their teeth when thrown out? You, whom I see are the God when you do his will. I am after all an atheist, who relies on evidence, and when I see what is defined by Christ manifested in you I see God. But some are unsalty. They yell "Lord! Lord!" but mean the opposite of what those words actually signify. While they proclaim God created all human beings, they at the same time shower their neighbour with hatred and treat them as if they are not neighbours, and were not a creation of God. If nothing else, that proves that the god of those sort truly can not exist, or if it does, it should be made to stop existing! Op has said this is not the thread for proving God exists or not. And besides, my atheism is not one that I have the need or the desire to convert others to. All the same, is what I have put forward above. Let those with eyes see. It is mere "crap" to some. |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by budaatum: 12:52pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb:Winner though, does not get to put words in our mouths, for he is not a god! |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by bloodofthelamb(m): 1:48pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
darkchild64: Best of luck with your god. |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by UyiIredia(m): 2:31pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
As usual, atheists vs Christians. Me I need more atheists vs Muslims. At least the Christians don't bomb like Boko Haram. Their religious madness is of a different type. |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by ScienceWatch: 2:31pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
orisa37:Thanks for your kind reminder. Yes very true, atheists are known to trample on what is holy, then turn to rend your. |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by Nobody: 3:00pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb: Thanks I wish u the same |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by tintingz(m): 3:52pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb:The burden of prove rest on the person that make any claim both positive and negative, don't try to make excuses. If you claim "faith" is the prove of your God then you have not present any proof, you just state your subjective belief. You should review what faith means. 1 Like |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by hopefulLandlord: 3:57pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
felixomor: What are you thinking? |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by ScienceWatch: 4:40pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
davien:Thank you for expressing your concerns and frustrations. The Transcendental realities can not be understood even with a mere PhD. All atheists are stuck where you are with puny secular education and growing arrogance to stroke their ego's. What I have written obviously confused you as you confess, but every person world wide that experienced transcendental reality knows exactly what I mean. Don't let it bother you, for you only stand worshiping NO-GOD in the Matrix. Have you ever wondered why children and humble adults learn so rapidly ? I responded to your question which was, "How do you know, can detect or be aware of a transcendent reality?" As is very clear from my response I never set out to prove anything in the spirit of the Op, WinnerO1 and Butterfly laboured on guidelines that I respect. With good intention I asked you to make Google your friend but you quickly came back frustrated and critical. This reveal serious character flaws that certainly block entry into the transcendental reality you feigned interest in, on the other hand these flaws are welcomed in domain governing darkness. Last tip: Don't flaunt your education or status while searching for knowledge and evidence of transcendental realities, that alone disqualifies you. Respect the rules governing the transcendental domain of your choice. |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by ScienceWatch: 4:45pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb:Absolutely true sir. Atheists believe in NO-GOD. Yes I agree that the burden of proof rests with them. Next atheist witness ! None . Case closed ! |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by Nobody: 5:04pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
Christianity is fake |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by davien(m): 5:57pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:I didn't say I'm stuck understanding, I asked you to explain how you understand or find any of what you are saying to be true.. Will you do that? Or keep dishonestly posting gibberish and answering a straw man? |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by rekinomtla(m): 6:26pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
There's nothing that can convinced a dogmatic anti-theist atheist that God exists. This is the kind of atheist who has been thoroughly brainwashed by anti-religous propaganda. He/she considers religion to be the biggest "problem" today and often (always) dishonesty links and blames religion for the actions of theists. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by ScienceWatch: 6:43pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
rekinomtla:Thank you for your wise advice sir. It came at just the right time as I am trying to work out how genuine Davien is about his enquiry. 1 Like |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by ScienceWatch: 7:14pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
davien:Then you understand my dishonest gibberish Abe ? |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by davien(m): 7:24pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:It's appalling to say the least the avoidance antics you'd employ when you say you vouch for something you believe in but can't defend.. |
Re: Nothing Will Serve As Evidence For Gods Existence To An Atheist by davien(m): 7:28pm On Jul 26, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:Regardless if my questions were genuine, wouldn't your answer be factual if indeed there is a plausible way to be aware of beings and realities that are supposed to be completely undetected, either it is completely undetectable or is near-undetectable to be known, in which case it can't be called a transcendental realm and being.. |
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