ScienceWatch:
I agree sir. WinnerO1 has added another mental disease to the already long list of atheisms miseries. He calls it Zombie syndrome.

An atheist here even admitted to me that atheists spread "some" of the lies I listed here. Fact is, atheists online regularly spread all those lies.

PrecisionFx:


Christianity is dead in Europe (where it originated).

Christianity is dead in America, One of its strongest strongholds.

Christianity is non-existent in Israel, The supposed people who Jesus was their brother .

I don't need to fight Christianity, Nobody needs to. It's lies have caught up wit it and thus it's dying across boaButterflyleo Ok. I have no problems with your deceptive logic because I have studied your horrible Atheists Training Manual post courtesy of Butterflyleo on the first page of this thread as conclusive evidence of the hidden agenda of your type.

Let's assume for a minute that Atheism is a lie and Christianity is also a lie.
Tell us why your prophet of Atheism Richard Dawkins only manages to pull a tiny crowd that is small enough to fit in a class room ?

Have you noticed how Christians worldwide consistently overfill the worlds largest olympic stadiums ?

Here is your last opportunity to display your superior intelligence, tell us why based on this verifiable evidence, Atheism is dying a painful death ?

ScienceWatch:
Thanks for clarifying your meaning. My apologies to you. My point still stands though, do the right thing to Vaxx because he is sincere, unbiased and brilliant. From my perspective he labours to uplift.

Learn to ignore the petty when dealing with lofty matters of hidden truth.

The reason I said vaxx is giving some excuses to my post is he was quickly to say I'm "goal shifting".

Let me give an instance, you claim there's an ice cream in the fridge, I said I don't think so, you then ask what proof do I have, and I open the fridge and no ice cream. This has prove the negative, although proving negative doesn't work is some cases, I agree. In a case where we didn't look into the fridge to confirm if there's ice cream or not then we can only be making assumptions.

**Modified**

Now to Religion, each Religion has provide us thier attributes of thier God/s and stories as evidence in thier various scriptures, historians, scientists, philosophers find so many errors and contradictions in religious scriptures, they are unable to find evidence of Gods in these books, they have term many of these stories as myths.

Maybe I didn't ask the right question in the first place, I think vaxx should present us the factors to look out for as evidence of God/s.

rekinomtla:


An atheist here even admitted to me that atheists spread "some" of the lies I listed here. Fact is, atheists online regularly spread all those lies.

Thanks for posting the link, yes I read it well done. I hope you don't mind me sharing it here to get a good grasp of the sad atheists dilemma;



Here's just a couple of lies atheist often use and spread when converting their gullible followers:

- Jesus was based on pagan deities such as Mithra, Horus, etc who also die and resurrected after 3 days, were born of virgins, etc.
- Christianity suppressed science and caused the dark ages.
- Millions of scientists were tortured and excuted by the church because of their science. Galileo supposedly an example of this.
- the catholic church believed and taught that the earth was flat and killed those who said otherwise.
- Spanish inquisition killed millions.
- atheism is not a belief
- No one was ever killed in the name of atheism.
- theists believe God is an invisible man in the sky.
- mythicism is growing in the scholarly world.
- the new testament was written hundreds of years after Jesus.
- and religion has caused more harm than technology seems to be their newest lie.

ScienceWatch:


Let's assume for a minute that Atheism is a lie and Christianity is also a lie.
Tell us why your prophet of Atheism Richard Dawkins only manages to pull a tiny crowd that is small enough to fit in a class room ?

Have you noticed how Christians worldwide consistently overfill the worlds largest olympic stadiums ?

Here is your last opportunity to display your superior intelligence, tell us why based on this verifiable evidence, Atheism is dying a painful death ?

""Have you noticed how Christians worldwide consistently overfill the worlds largest olympic stadiums ?
""

U mean in Nigeria

rekinomtla:


An atheist here even admitted to me that atheists spread "some" of the lies I listed here. Fact is, atheists online regularly spread all those lies.

Christians are the ones that lie like no man's business.

Why not?

Christianity is a false religion so we expect less from is followers.

dalaman:


He's in for a long display of madness.

Sometimes I truly sit and imagine what that guy looks like and how those 'stuff' would flow from him in a real life convo.

PrecisionFx:



Christians are the ones that lie like no man's business.

Why not?

Christianity is a false religion so we expect less from is followers.

Christians that lie are bad christians, they suppose to not lie as they been commanded. Atheists have no such command hence why most lie without giving it a second thought.

winner01:
I read it and it makes sense. It will be your personal experience, it will be mocked and ridiculed. Your god would be called petty wanting to prove anything to you. he'll be called wicked for not proving to others. But I understand you.

Now try to understand that this thread is the only trying to prove that whatever evidence you provide (for those who ask you) can be rationalized or mocked if it can't be rationalized.

There, finally, a flash of intelligence from you winner01! Thank you for taking the time to comprehend my "crap". You have restored my faith in you.

Now, just for the sake of it, assume I am convinced that indeed, there is God, and that I become a Christian. As I said in that post, I too would probably go about screaming at every opportunity I have that my "God is a Great Big God". However, haven been an atheist myself, I don't expect that other's would take my word for it. After all, it took a personal encounter with God for me to 'know' there is God, so why should those others not have the same privilege that I had so they too could be convinced and know too? And I do expect to be mocked and ridiculed for my conversion, as you said I would. In fact, to be honest, my new bone to pick with God would be to ask why it hadn't bothered to encounter those other atheists so they too can know as I now do. And the only way I would shut the fuq up is if God were to tell me that there is something I did that made it bother to encounter me but which others have not done that makes it not bother to encounter with them. And if that were the case, would it not be more appropriate for me to tell those atheists to do what I did so they too could have the same encounter that I had with God, if they cared to, that is?

I have continually agreed with you that anything that I say to what would now be my previous fellow atheists would be "rationalized or mocked" and called "crap" by them. But in my new state of being converted, if to the God of Christianity which is through Christ, then explain why I should be that bothered when my newly acquired God was, in the flesh, mocked, ridiculed, told he had a demon in him, spat on, made to wear a crown of thorns, stabbed, crucified, buried and descended into hell? Why should I be bothered when John, Peter, Simon, Paul and very many others before me all went through much more than whatever ridicule I could possibly go through at the hand of atheists who the best they could do is claim the Almighty God that I now confess is a figment of the imagination that I have cooked up in my mind? Would anything they come up with make me doubt the evidence that I experienced? Would anything they say stop God existing as far as I am concerned? Why, please tell, should I insult myself and more importantly, my God, by making out their opinion matters one single iota as if by them claiming my God, which I personally had an encounter with, does not exist, they actually make my God disappear, or even more stupidity thinking my God only exists because I say so?

I suggest to you that the only reason I would behave the way some so called Christians on here do is because they have not had the sort of convincing encounter that I describe above as that which would convince me. They show this lack of encounter in their use of the simple phrase they use to describe what they have in their God. I assure you that after the encounter described above, it would be rather remise of me to claim that "I believe in God", when I actually "know my God". I after all would never claim that I believe that my mother is my mother unless I was not certainly sure that she is.

And then consider the benefit of my knowing that my God exists. I'm blessedly assured of never dying, and going to heaven, and would live everlastingly (and yes, as ridiculous as they may sound, that's my new knowledge!), and those poor damned atheists are fools who will die and go to hell! Hopefully, I will be mindful of the sin of hubris, remembering that 'only for the grace of God go I', and not go about condemning the damned in a "thank you Lord that I am not like those tax collecting atheists over there" kind of way as some tend to do. My attitude towards their mockery and ridicule should be to joyfully turn the other cheek for I'm certain I would have read somewhere that I am rewarded the more I live in my new found Christ and Messiah and I'm persecuted and slapped for so doing.

I tell you the truth, if indeed I love my neighbour, as I am asked to do by my new found God, I will spend a considerable amount of my time begging my new found God to please show those atheists like it showed me that it exists, or forgive them for they don't know what I am privileged to know. What I wouldn't do is what some on here do which in my opinion just goes to show that they have got no clue whatsoever about the God they claim they believe exists. If anything, their attitude just shows their god actually doesn't exist, and shouldn't exist!

My whole point rests on the fact that it is not for me to prove to anyone that my God exists by just telling them it does. My new found God would have clearly explained to me that if I be like salt and a mustard seed, and those whom Luke describes as blessed, my light will shine, and those who see it would ask me where it is that I lay my head. And when I point to my God as the source of my new found faith, they would not mock and ridicule my godliness but behave like those who find a good thing and bow down and worship it (and hopefully not me, which I better be mindful of knowing what people are like!). But if my new found God compels me to behave like say Sciencewatch, for instance, I should expect people to run away from me and that sort of god, which they ought to do, atheist or not, for if anything, a god that compels one to be like him is really no god at all, but the devil, which, if one can, should be told to "get behind one, satan!"

Again, thanks for taking the time with my "crap". As I said, you are able!

rekinomtla:


Christians that lie are bad christians, they suppose to not lie as they been commanded. Atheists have no such command hence why most lie without giving it a second thought.

That is not true. And you sir should not bear false witness!

Whether there is a God or not, lying has its consequence, and any one, atheist or not, who thinks not will soon find they have no decent mates!

tintingz:
The reason I said vaxx is giving some excuses to my post is he was quickly to say I'm "goal shifting".

Let me give an instance, you claim there's an ice cream in the fridge, I said I don't think so, you then ask what proof do I have, and I open the fridge and no ice cream. This has prove the negative, although proving negative doesn't work is some cases, I agree. In a case where we didn't look into the fridge to confirm if there's ice cream or not then we can say proving negative(and positive) is impossible..

Excuse me. The fact that you didn't bother to open the fridge and look is not a case of proving or disproving a negative or positive is impossible! It's not impossible as long as there is a specific fridge to look into, and a specific definition of what constitutes icecream beforehand.

Make sure you pin down those two things, and you can prove whether there is icecream in the fridge or not. (Provided the person is not the person you're having this discussion with, mind.)

tintingz:
The reason I said vaxx is giving some excuses to my post is he was quickly to say I'm "goal shifting".

Let me give an instance, you claim there's an ice cream in the fridge, I said I don't think so, you then ask what proof do I have, and I open the fridge and no ice cream. This has prove the negative, although proving negative doesn't work is some cases, I agree. In a case where we didn't look into the fridge to confirm if there's ice cream or not then we can say proving negative(and positive) is impossible.

Now to Religion, each Religion has provide us thier attributes of thier God/s and stories as evidence in thier various scriptures(the fridge), historians, scientists, philosophers find so many errors and contradictions in religious scriptures, they are unable to find evidence of Gods in these books, they have term many of these stories as myths.

Maybe I didn't ask the right question in the first place, I think vaxx should present us the factors to look out for as evidence of God/s.

I believe you have presented you concerns here brilliantly and deserve carefully consideration. I am not fit to replace Vaxx here. But I can safety assume that you are willing and ready to confront the hidden reason for your inability to come to grips with this common tradegy of logical thought processes.
You obviously are not aware of the full implications of the two great examples given by you here, but you will walk away enriched if you listen to Vaxx to what he was saying with an open mind.
I see signs that you may be the one to break out of the Matrix considering your sincere line of questions you asked;

"Maybe I didn't ask the right question in the first place, I think vaxx should present us the factors to look out for as evidence of God/s."

I wish you all the best on your journey. Remember that the right mentor always excellerate progress. Don't go it alone.

budaatum:

Excuse me. The fact that you didn't bother to open the fridge and look is not a case of proving or disproving a negative or positive is impossible! It's not impossible as long as there is a specific fridge to look into, and a specific definition of what constitutes icecream beforehand.

Make sure you pin down those two things, and you can prove whether there is icecream in the fridge or not. (Provided the person is not the person you're having this discussion with, mind.)

Sorry my bad, I take it as a mistake.

Yes it's possible, as long as the fridge is there and we didn't open to confirm if there's an ice cream or not, we can only be making assumption claims but if there's no fridge then it's impossible to confirm anything.

rekinomtla:


Christians that lie are bad christians, they suppose to not lie as they been commanded. Atheists have no such command hence why most lie without giving it a second thought.

Very true and common here. Sir please read the Atheists Training Manual posted by Butterflyleo on the first page of this thread. You will instantly see conclusive evidence that you are the truthful one.

ScienceWatch:
I believe you have presented you concerns here brilliantly and deserve carefully consideration. I am not fit to replace Vaxx here. But I can safety assume that you are willing and ready to confront the hidden reason for your inability to come to grips with this common tradegy of logical thought processes.
You obviously are not aware of the full implications of the two great examples given by you here, but you will walk away enriched if you listen to Vaxx to what he was saying with an open mind.
I see signs that you may be the one to break out of the Matrix considering your sincere line of questions you asked;

"Maybe I didn't ask the right question in the first place, I think vaxx should present us the factors to look out for as evidence of God/s."

I wish you all the best on your journey. Remember that the right mentor always excellerate progress. Don't go it alone.

Lol, I'm not the type that argue like a prîck, I'm always ready to accept my mistakes. I'm not into win or loose argument.

tintingz:
Sorry my bad, I take it as a mistake.

Yes it's possible, as long as the fridge is there and we didn't open to confirm if there's an ice cream or not, we can only be making assumption claims but if there's no fridge then it's impossible to confirm anything.

Be careful sir, don't apologise, you have only been shown an extremely limited materialistic snipped of the huge problem you shared with me.
Don't be distracted, this is your valuable life. Be brave go ask the highly esteemed Vaxx again. I promise you won't be disappointed.

tintingz:
Sorry my bad, I take it as a mistake.

Yes it's possible, as long as the fridge is there and we didn't open to confirm if there's an ice cream or not, we can only be making assumption claims but if there's no fridge then it's impossible to confirm anything.

Thank you. But forgive my pedanticism.

If there is no fridge, we would have still proven that fact by the sheer absence of the fridge, and it's rather absurd to claim that icecream exists in a fridge that does not exist.

The non-existence of the fridge is by itself evidence that there is no icecream in it.

PrecisionFx:


"" CHRISTIANITY WINS EVERY BATTLE NO MATTER THE ODDS STACKED AGAINST IT.
""

I didn't want to intrude because I can see that my brother @ScienceWatch is having a good time.

But really that seems to be the truth. Lets take a look at Voltaire, a french infidel, who died in 1778
- he said that within 100 years of his time, Christianity would be swept away from existence and pass into the obscurity of history.
-Yet 50 years after his death, the Geneva Bible Society used his house and printing press to produce stacks of Bibles.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7477203_img20180727183850_jpeg94f5ffa2346816c54b29150573181a01

The corpse just never stays put.

PrecisionFx:

Christianity is dead in Europe (where it originated).

But it isn't

Christianity did not originate in Europe and majority of Europe still seems to be christian.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7477146_img20180727182425_jpeg2053c2a3609eecf47c44c63015dab45a

PrecisionFx:

Christianity is dead in America, One of its strongest strongholds.

PEW researchers seem to think otherwise and 71% Christians sound more like majority than dead.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7477143_img20180727182441_jpeg61e57974da9f5b512737f5bd26a8ed2d

PrecisionFx:


Christianity is non-existent in Israel, The supposed people who Jesus was their brother .

I don't think Christianity has ever been majority in Israel? Judaism is, and only a small percentage seem to be Christians.

PrecisionFx:

I don't need to fight Christianity, Nobody needs to. It's lies have caught up wit it and thus it's dying across board.

Maybe its not a lie after all. World powers like Russia, Germany, France, Italy, U.S etc still seem to be overwhelmingly christian communities. China has had to consciously put a leash on the growth of Christians by banning online sales of Bible, embargo on Bible importation. Etc.
https://www.nairaland.com/3172960/china-course-worlds-most-christian
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3852846_china2887244b_jpeg70bb797466de6037a5669b505dc48ea2


Our own Nigeria is just 45% Christian with majority being terribly superstitious. That being said, I think you should be grateful to Christianity for the freedom you have.

Christianity is why many of us know about democracy, freedom of speech and religion. Christianity the reason why atheists are outspoken in places like U.S and U.k. Christianity is why you have a voice.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4097577_1122789810693818964391852365028311777142063n_png_jpeg897da8fe73b10c634aec971b3c6ed8e3

Christianity is even why Nigerians can criticize Buhari's government. Imagine Nigeria was an Islamic country, your voices would have been taken forcefully. The same with almost all of the atheist countries that have ever existed.


For instance, the first ever officially declared atheist nation in the world was Albania under the rule of communist dictator Enver Hoxha (1908-85).

Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated: ‘The State recognizes no religion, and supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic outlook in people’ (Vickers 2001).

Article 2, A, constitution of Iraq stipulates: No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Article 3, constitution of Afghanistan: In Afghanistan, no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam.

Its easy to say Islam is intolerant, but this is the same as atheism.
I can understand why many of you don't like christianity, but at least you must be thankful for Christianity....

ScienceWatch:
Be careful sir, don't apologise, you have only been shown an extremely limited materialistic snipped of the huge problem you shared with me.
Don't be distracted, this is your valuable life. Be brave go ask the highly esteemed Vaxx again. I promise you won't be disappointed.

Lol, is there any perfect being?

I've watch many debates and I've seen oppositors accepting thier errors or mistake, it's not an issue or a sign of weakness!

Vaxx has flaws in his argument, which he's dodging.

winner01:
I didn't want to intrude because I can see that my brother @ScienceWatch is having a good time.

But really that seems to be the truth. Lets take a look at Voltaire, a french infidel, who died in 1778
- he said that within 100 years of his time, Christianity would be swept away from existence and pass into the obscurity of history.
-Yet 50 years after his death, the Geneva Bible Society used his house and printing press to produce stacks of Bibles.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7477203_img20180727183850_jpeg94f5ffa2346816c54b29150573181a01

The corpse just never stays put.


But it isn't

Christianity did not originate in Europe and majority of Europe still seems to be christian.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7477146_img20180727182425_jpeg2053c2a3609eecf47c44c63015dab45a



PEW researchers seem to think otherwise and 71% Christians sound more like majority than dead.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7477143_img20180727182441_jpeg61e57974da9f5b512737f5bd26a8ed2d



I don't think Christianity has ever been majority in Israel? Judaism is, and only a small percentage seem to be Christians.



Maybe its not a lie after all. World powers like Russia, Germany, France, Italy, U.S etc still seem to be overwhelmingly christian communities. China has had to consciously put a leash on the growth of Christians by banning online sales of Bible, embargo on Bible importation. Etc.
https://www.nairaland.com/3172960/china-course-worlds-most-christian
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3852846_china2887244b_jpeg70bb797466de6037a5669b505dc48ea2


Our own Nigeria is just 45% Christian with majority being terribly superstitious. That being said, I think you should be grateful to Christianity for the freedom you have.

Christianity is why many of us know about democracy, freedom of speech and religion. Christianity the reason why atheists are outspoken in places like U.S and U.k. Christianity is why you have a voice.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4097577_1122789810693818964391852365028311777142063n_png_jpeg897da8fe73b10c634aec971b3c6ed8e3

Christianity is even why Nigerians can criticize Buhari's government. Imagine Nigeria was an Islamic country, your voices would have been taken forcefully. The same with almost all of the atheist countries that have ever existed.


For instance, the first ever officially declared atheist nation in the world was Albania under the rule of communist dictator Enver Hoxha (1908-85).

Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated: ‘The State recognizes no religion, and supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic outlook in people’ (Vickers 2001).

Article 2, A, constitution of Iraq stipulates: No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Article 3, constitution of Afghanistan: In Afghanistan, no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam.

Its easy to say Islam is intolerant, but this is the same as atheism.
I can understand why many of you don't like christianity, but at least you must be thankful for Christianity....

I don't think Christianity has ever been majority in Israel? Judaism is, and only a small percentage seem to be Christians.



This shows Christianity is not an Israeli / Hebrew religion....

budaatum:

Thank you. But forgive my pedanticism.

If there is no fridge, we would have still proven that fact by the sheer absence of the fridge, and it's rather absurd to claim that icecream exists in a fridge that does not exist.

The non-existence of the fridge is by itself evidence that there is no icecream in it.

Exactly @bolded.

budaatum:

Excuse me. The fact that you didn't bother to open the fridge and look is not a case of proving or disproving a negative or positive is impossible! It's not impossible as long as there is a specific fridge to look into, and a specific definition of what constitutes icecream beforehand.

Make sure you pin down those two things, and you can prove whether there is icecream in the fridge or not. (Provided the person is not the person you're having this discussion with, mind.)

With all due respect for other aspects of your life, you certainly don't qualify to lead anyone out of the Matrix.

The two things you asked Tintingz to pin down can never be the solution he alluded to.
Why do you battle to understand the problems he presented from his perspective. Can't you see the signs that he is ready to break the mould that many historians, scientists, philosophers and high level atheists have fail to achieve.

I was once an atheist, but I am grateful to my parents for commanding me to never mock, insult or destroy the holy revered doctrines of ancient established religions.
I was told to find a solution to my own disbelief while respecting all those that believe in their gods.
Find a mentor they ordered, so I had a mentor in art of meditation and Yoga, then many years later I had mentorship on the various key religions philosophy and Eastern mysticm.
I never evangelize to unbelievers.

rekinomtla:


Christians that lie are bad christians, they suppose to not lie as they been commanded. Atheists have no such command hence why most lie without giving it a second thought.

Nah, there is Nothing like bad Christians.

All Christians lie. .

ScienceWatch:
With all due respect for other aspects of your life, you certainly don't qualify to lead anyone out of the Matrix.

I'm not leading anyone anywhere. As I have faith in the ability of most human beings to chose the right path for themselves. I can't help though warning people against wolves in sheepskin however. And that's rather easy when the sheepskin the wolf wears fits as badly as your's.

Darkness cannot reign when superior light is lit. And people can discern between the two even if darkness shrouds itself in Lord! Lord! For God is most mighty and infinitesimally wise!

tintingz:
Lol, is there any perfect being?

I've watch many debates and I've seen oppositors accepting thier errors or mistake, it's not an issue or a sign of weakness!

Vaxx has flaws in his argument, which he's dodging.

i will obliged you to stop assuming unnecessary .bring out the flaws but this time stick to the topic of discussion.

tintingz:
Exactly @bolded.

You gave two examples to consider. Why has Budaatum given you a grossly incomplete answer ? Or is his answer what you really wanted ?
Below is an extract from your post;

Let me give an instance, you claim there's an ice cream in the fridge, I said I don't think so, you then ask what proof do I have, and I open the fridge and no ice cream. This has prove the negative, although proving negative doesn't work is some cases, I agree. In a case where we didn't look into the fridge to confirm if there's ice cream or not then we can say proving negative(and positive) is impossible.

Now to Religion, each Religion has provide us thier attributes of thier God/s and stories as evidence in thier various scriptures(the fridge), historians, scientists, philosophers find so many errors and contradictions in religious scriptures, they are unable to find evidence of Gods in these books, they have term many of these stories as myths.

budaatum:

I'm not leading anyone anywhere. As I have faith in the ability of most human beings to chose the right path for themselves. I can't help though warning people against wolves in sheepskin however. And that's rather easy when the sheepskin the wolf wears fits as badly as your's.

Darkness cannot reign when superior light is lit. And people can discern between the two even if darkness shrouds itself in Lord! Lord! For God is most mighty and infinitesimally wise!

It must be full moon tonight.

ScienceWatch:

Now to Religion, each Religion has provide us thier attributes of thier God/s and stories as evidence in thier various scriptures(the fridge), historians, scientists, philosophers find so many errors and contradictions in religious scriptures, they are unable to find evidence of Gods in these books, they have term many of these stories as myths.

All this is like claiming the icecream is cold, it is cherry icecream, it is covered in chocolate, wrapped in tinfoil and written about in a book, except that the fridge that the icecream is in doesn't exist!

You need to go on your knees and begged God for a brain dude!

From the title of this thread, it looks as if Winner01 is conceding that his God doesn't have the ability to use evidence and reason to convince every atheist in the world that he actually exists. Apparently his God isn't clever enough to persuade rational skeptics. If Charles Darwin, a mere man, could convince the vast majority of skeptics that they are apes, why can't winner01's God convince them that He exists? It's not hard.

budaatum:

All this is like claiming the icecream is cold, it is cherry icecream, it is covered in chocolate, wrapped in tinfoil and written about in a book, except that the fridge that the icecream is in doesn't exist!

You need to go on your knees and begged God for a brain dude!

This is a very lame example. Try again but first read your Atheist Training Manual that Butterflyleo posted here for our convenience.

Seun:
From the title of this thread, it looks as if Winner01 is conceding that his God doesn't have the ability to use evidence and reason to convince every atheist in the world that he actually exists. Apparently his God isn't clever enough to persuade rational skeptics. If Charles Darwin, a mere man, could convince the vast majority of skeptics that they are apes, why can't winner01's God merely convince them that He exists?

Good point. Charles Darwin was very convincing and so was Richard Dawkins when he convinced a gathering of atheists that they were all once fish.

What is this world coming to.

You lost for words? Told you your darkness can't survive when light appears.