All these Born-again Christians that still fornicate, why can't grace stop them from fornicating?

Shall we continue to sin so that grace may abound?

alBHAGDADI:
Stop spreading lies.

Grace is all you need. As long as you believe in Jesus Christ and his sacrifice, you can never lose your salvation. There's nothing you can do to save yourself, not even living a righteous life. Salvation is as easy as believing in Jesus Christ. The hard part has been done by Jesus on the cross. Saying you need to contribute to it is the same as saying that God didn't provide a perfect sacrifice for the salvation of mankind.

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Your righteous life is just for reward here and in heaven. This doesn't mean you should continue living in sin. You could get punished for that here on Earth. But depending on your righteousness to get you to heaven is wrong.

Isaiah 64:6

But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Look at Cain and Abel. Cain thought if he worked hard by tilling them soil and sowing fruits which he will present to God, his sacrifice will be accepted; he depended on his works. But Abel sacrificed a lamb to God and was accepted. Why? Because he depended on the Blood which was like a forerunner of the blood of Jesus Christ.

If you are depending on your righteousness to get you to heaven, then you might end up in hell. Depending on Jesus Christ is what saves you. That is Grace which is sufficient.

2 Corinthians 12:19

And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

The men below did works but Jesus still rejected them because they were depending on their works to save them.
Mathew 7:22-23

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

You are vary wrong. Very very wrong. Salvation is more than believing. You need to walk the talk. Juses said "ye are my disciples indeed of ye do the things I say". Believing is never enough. The devil himself believe

alBHAGDADI:
Stop spreading lies.

Grace is all you need. As long as you believe in Jesus Christ and his sacrifice, you can never lose your salvation. There's nothing you can do to save yourself, not even living a righteous life. Salvation is as easy as believing in Jesus Christ. The hard part has been done by Jesus on the cross. Saying you need to contribute to it is the same as saying that God didn't provide a perfect sacrifice for the salvation of mankind.

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Your righteous life is just for reward here and in heaven. This doesn't mean you should continue living in sin. You could get punished for that here on Earth. But depending on your righteousness to get you to heaven is wrong.

Isaiah 64:6

But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Look at Cain and Abel. Cain thought if he worked hard by tilling them soil and sowing fruits which he will present to God, his sacrifice will be accepted; he depended on his works. But Abel sacrificed a lamb to God and was accepted. Why? Because he depended on the Blood which was like a forerunner of the blood of Jesus Christ.

If you are depending on your righteousness to get you to heaven, then you might end up in hell. Depending on Jesus Christ is what saves you. That is Grace which is sufficient.

2 Corinthians 12:19

And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

The men below did works but Jesus still rejected them because they were depending on their works to save them.
Mathew 7:22-23

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

I think you misunderstood the op,I disagree with the bolded part. There are many who believe in Jesus and his sacrifice but they can't be called sons of God. Salvation is beyond believing in christ. James 1 vs 21-22
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
The bolded part has to do with believers to live a righteaous lives. You can pray to recieve annointing but you can't pray to recieve a strong spirit,you build it.
That's my own interpretation of op's words.

jmoore:
All these Born-again Christians that still fornicate, why can't grace stop them from fornicating?

No born again Christian will fornicate. Real ones ooo.

Awoo88:

You are vary wrong. Very very wrong. Salvation is more than believing. You need to walk the talk. Buses said "ye are my disciples indeed of ye do the things I say". Believing is never enough. The devid himself believe

Thank you! He missed the point.

kingkakaone:
At SALVATION, God cleanses u from your past and SANCTIFIES u which makes u automatically RIGHTEOUS to stay HOLY and also gives u his Spirit (Holy Spirit) so u can live a holy life and manifest HIS FRUITS.

U get all those package u listed at salvation, what I expect u to say is that after salvation, u need REVELATIONS constantly from the Holy Spirit to stay on point.

It is daily revelation from the same HOLY SPIRIT given u during salvation that helps u navigate through in ur Christian race.

My opinion.

No,you don't get everything at salvation....your persistency to seek God's face & some restitution, if any,will lead you to the experience of sanctification & Baptism of the Holy spirit,which happens the same time....

Speaking from my personal experience...long ago.

emerged01:


I think you misunderstood the op,I disagree with the bolded part. There are many who believe in Jesus and his sacrifice but they can't be called sons of God. Salvation is beyond believing in christ. James 1 vs 21-22
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
The bolded part has to do with believers to live a righteaous lives. You can pray to recieve annointing but you can't pray to recieve a strong spirit,you build it.
That's my own interpretation of op's words.

I still say it that you can't lose your salvation. You can only lose it if you were never saved. Eternal life is a free gift given unto those who believe in Jesus Christ. It is a gift which God won't take back, or else it seizes being a gift but a loan.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;



Now, to your talk if someone losing his salvation. I repeat, you can't lose it because God won't allow you slip off His grip. Nothing can take you away from Him after He saves you because He is stronger that anything. Read what Jesus said about his followers.

John 10:26-30

but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

victorazyvictor:


Everything is wrong with what OP said.

He is mistaking Salvation to Grace.

Grace is all you need and is abundant for both believers and unbelievers.

Grace is unmerited favour of God.

Yes,Grace is unmerited favour of God. Do you believe salvation is free but not cheap? If you believe,how can you explain the meaning of that statement? There is something you need to understand about the story of Judas and the story of Peter. They were both disciple of Christ;the sins of both of them. And the end result of their action.

Awoo88:

You are vary wrong. Very very wrong. Salvation is more than believing. You need to walk the talk. Juses said "ye are my disciples indeed of ye do the things I say". Believing is never enough. The devil himself believe

Of course you will walk the talk after He saves you. But depending on righteous works to get you saved is wrong. He has saved you already, so you don't need to resave yourself. The reason why you need to live a righteous life is because of reward here on Earth and in Heaven. Also, to avoid suffering the consequence of sin. Example: A man sins by smoking heavily. In no time, he will suffer lung cancer, bad breathe or one of those complications related to smoking. He will receive his punishment. But as per salvation, he has already being saved if he believes in jesus.

Now, point out one man who is sinless here on Earth. The Bible says such a man's righteousness is like filthy rags before God. Do you still want to keep depending on filthy rags to save you or Jesus himself?

alBHAGDADI:
I still say it that you can't lose your salvation. You can only lose it if you were never saved. Eternal life is a free gift given unto those who believe in Jesus Christ. It is a gift which God won't take back, or else it seizes being a gift but a loan.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;



Now, to your talk if someone losing his salvation. I repeat, you can't lose it because God won't allow you slip off His grip. Nothing can take you away from Him after He saves you because He is stronger that anything. Read what Jesus said about his followers

John 10:26-30

but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

Thank you for response but pls shed light on what actually happened in the story of Judas and that of Peter? To my own understand,the sins of Peter was worse than that of Judas.

The way you life as a Christian is proportional to the revelation you receive

We all have different revelation yet same Christ.

Check the message of James and that of Peter.. The message of Jude and that of John.. Totally.different yet all pointing to Christ

If you receive the revelation of works.. Good for you or the revelation of grace.. Good for you

What matters most is that Christ is being preached and people are saved

The Devil is bent in dividing christaindom by making us believe that one man's teaching will guarantee heaven while the other will guarantee hell

We must resist this..

Develop a healthy relationship with the Holy Ghost and he will guide you in this race.

Never follow the teaching of any man without first asking the Holy Ghost to unveil it. Like the Bereans of old.

Yeah.
Sister Grace is never enough ! I need sister joy and sister glory

emerged01:


Yes,Grace is unmerited favour of God. Do you believe salvation is free but not cheap? If you believe,how can you explain the meaning of that statement? There is something you need to understand about the story of Judas and the story of Peter. They were both disciple of Christ;the sins of both of them. And the end result of their action.

As human, we all have our bad, soft, weak sides, just that we are not led or allowed to enter into temptation.
"do not lead us into temptation"

God allowed Judas and Peter to enter temptation like Lucifer, but Peter was fast enough to realize his mistake BUT Judas committed suicide (double sin) Lucifer went astray (double sin) God would have forgave Judas had it been he ask for forgiveness after all through his action salvation of all saints was realized. What about Thomus? he is a saint.

emerged01:


Thank you for response but pls shed light on what actually happened in the story of Judas and that of Peter? To my own understand,the sins of Peter was worse than that of Judas.

You see, both men were discioles of Jesus. Peter was a believer but Judas never believed from the start. The same can be seen among Christians today. Haven't you seen where a church member suddenly leaves and starts attending a heretic church? Such person was never saved. Judas was never saved. Jesus knew he was a devil right before he even called him. Same Judas went out with bothers preaching the word of God even thought he didn't believe. Jesus knew he was a devil, yet He allowed him to stay because he was to fulfil a purpose.

John 6:70

Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Look at What the Bible said of Judas.

John 12:6

This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.


Now for Peter, he denied Jesus Christ, but he didn't lose his salvation. As a matter of fact, he was able to retrace his steps because he was already saved. Had it been Judas was saved, he would have gone back to Jesus to beg for forgiveness, rather he went to commit suicide. Peter benefitted from Grace due to his salvation, Judas didnt. because he wasn't saved.

alBHAGDADI:
Of course you will walk the talk after He saves you. But depending on righteous works to get you saved is wrong. He has saved you already, so you don't need to resave yourself. The reason why you need to live a righteous life is because of reward here on Earth and in Heaven. Also, to avoid suffering the consequence of sin. Example: A man sins by smoking heavily. In no time, he will suffer lung cancer, bad breathe or one of those complications related to smoking. He will receive his punishment. But as per salvation, he has already being saved if he believes in jesus.

Now, point out one man who is sinless here on Earth. The Bible says such a man's righteousness is like filthy rags before God. Do you still want to keep depending on filthy rags to save you or Jesus himself?

You don't have to save yourself but you need to " walk out you salvation with fear" . It doesn't mean living in fear but you are cautious and " laying aside every weight and sin which doth easily beset us". When you are save, you do away with lasciviousness. You don't temp yourself again. That is why you are encouraged to get sanctification so that you can overcome easily. Yes! You can be sinless by His grace and not by work. There are people in this country who have dedicated themselves to living the life free of sin. Though, that alone doesn't make anybody right before God. It is the the grace of God the teaches men to deny all ungodly lust, living soberly and presenting oneself spotless . it is very possible to be righteous for " we can not continue in sin and pray for grace to abound " Another thing you should know is that salvation can be lost. Otherwise Judas will have a good record and ballam will not die in the mist of idolaters. Neither will Demas forsake Paul and follow the world.

Awoo88:

You don't have to save yourself but you need to " walk out you salvation with fear" . It doesn't mean living in fear but you are cautious and " laying aside every weight and sin which doth easily beset us". When you are save, you do away with lasciviousness. You don't temp yourself again. That is why you are encouraged to get sanctification so that you can overcome easily. Yes! You can be sinless by His grace and not by work. There are people in this country who have dedicated themselves to living the life free of sin. Though, that alone doesn't make anybody right before God. It is the the grace of God the teaches men to deny all ungodly lust, living soberly and presenting oneself spotless . it is very possible to be righteous for " we can not continue in sin and pray for grace to abound " Another thing you should know is that salvation can be lost. Otherwise Judas will have a good record and ballam will not die in the mist of idolaters. Neither will Demas forsake Paul and follow the world.

Salvation can't be lost. Pls read my subsequent posts on this thread to understand that. As for Judas, he was never saved. He was a devil right before Jesus called him.


John 6:70

Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

CSTR1005:
I remember a part of my Bible that says work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

You can't work out something that is already automatically given by grace.

Either apostle Paul was wrong, or this grace merchants nowadays are misunderstanding him.

We don't let the holy spirit teach us is the reason alot of people find it hard to comprehend scriptures. Even while trying to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, Bro there is nothing greater than the grace of God in your life. We live in an imperfect world. Our actions, thoughts, and motives are imperfect. No matter how hard we try to live righteously, without the grace of God, it is not enough. Wonder why even the cherubs have to cover their faces while standing in the presence of God? It is because God's standards are so high. He is absolutely Holy Holy Holy. On our own we cannot live the kind of life that God requires.

Apostle Paul was not wrong. Even Jesus Christ said "whosoever shall tarry to the end, the same shall be saved". These grace merchants are demonic.

CSTR1005:
I remember a part of my Bible that says work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

You can't work out something that is already automatically given by grace.

Either apostle Paul was wrong, or this grace merchants nowadays are misunderstanding him.

alBHAGDADI:


Salvation can't be lost. Pls read my subsequent posts on this thread to understand that. As for Judas, he was never saved. He was a devil right before Jesus called him.


John 6:70

Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Brother salvation can be lost!! Judas was among the 12 that the devil was subject to. He heal the sick in the name of Jesus. When he decided to listen to another voice other that of Jesus, he lost Hus salvation at that point. There is not such thing as once saved forever save. The only condition for eternal salvation is keeping the world of God and doing them.
Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
My brother salvation can be lost. For those who chooses to remain His sheep, they will continued to hear his voice. Judas was among the 12 that cast out devils and heal the sick. He allowed himself to be tempted. Don't be deceived with once saved forever save. That is a doctrine of Satan.

I fear oh.

jmoore:
All these Born-again Christians that still fornicate, why can't grace stop them from fornicating?

Shall we continue to sin so that grace may abound?

Awoo88:

Brother salvation can be lost!! Judas was among the 12 that the devil was subject to. He heal the sick in the name of Jesus. When he decided to listen to another voice other that of Jesus, he lost Hus salvation at that point. There is not such thing as once saved forever save. The only condition for eternal salvation is keeping the world of God and doing them.
Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
My brother salvation can be lost. For those who chooses to remain His sheep, they will continued to hear his voice. Judas was among the 12 that cast out devils and heal the sick. He allowed himself to be tempted. Don't be deceived with once saved forever save. That is a doctrine of Satan.

So because Judas healed the sick and cast out demons, it now means he was saved? Have you forgotten those people who were doing the same when they didn't follow, whom Jesus disciples told him about.

If performing miracles means in is saved, how come Jesus' told people that he never knew them despite them performing wonders in his name?

Even the verse you quoted to prove your point actually destroys your point.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.


God destroyed those people because they believed NOT. Once you believe, you are saved for life.

Amberon11:
Apostle Paul was not wrong. Even Jesus Christ said "whosoever shall tarry to the end, the same shall be saved". These grace merchants are demonic.

Jesus was talking about the end time tribulation when he made this statement. Don't equate it to mean one has to contribute to ones salvation. Read Mathew 24

He was warning against falling for the Antichrist. Because if you fail to stay strong in Jesus during the tribulation, you will fall and worship the Antichrist, a journey if no return. That is all during the tribulation when there won't be grace, unlike the days of Peter .

That's not just it. It applies to every Christian.

Who was Jesus talking to when he said not everyone who calls him Lord will enter heaven? Or when he said even those that may have worked miracles in his name wouldn't enter heaven?

alBHAGDADI:
Jesus was talking about the end time tribulation when he made this statement. Don't equate it to mean one has to contribute to ones salvation. Read Mathew 24

He was warning against calling for the Antichrist

alBHAGDADI:
I still say it that you can't lose your salvation. You can only lose it if you were never saved. Eternal life is a free gift given unto those who believe in Jesus Christ. It is a gift which God won't take back, or else it seizes being a gift but a loan.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;



Now, to your talk if someone losing his salvation. I repeat, you can't lose it because God won't allow you slip off His grip. Nothing can take you away from Him after He saves you because He is stronger that anything. Read what Jesus said about his followers.

John 10:26-30

but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

Do you remember Demas?


Peter 2:20 - For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

alBHAGDADI:


So because Judas healed the sick and cast out demons, it now means he was saved? Have you forgotten those people who were doing the same when they didn't follow, whom Jesus disciples told him about.

If performing miracles means in is saved, how come Jesus' told people that he never knew them despite them performing wonders in his name?

Even the verse you quoted to prove your point actually destroys your point.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.


God destroyed those people because they believed NOT. Once you believe, you are saved for life.

You are not still getting it.There those who were saved but when they decided to be dissident, were destroyed. " once you believe.. " is a doctrine that is design to mislead many Christian. That is why Christians were warned (still are today ) to beware of false teachers. Judas performed miracle in Jesus's name . those who performed miracle who were not following Jesus were those that believed him and followed his teaching. That was Jesus told his disciples to leave them alone that they were in the same camp. When some tried the thing because they saw Paul did it , they were disgraced . any body teaching "once you believe is an enemy of your soul

iupac120:
Yes. Grace is not enough. After giving your life to Christ , do you stop there?
There are other things that are needed to make your christian race a smooth sail which include sanctification, prayer,meditation, studying the bible, holiness, righteousness, Purity of heart, fruits of the spirit, etc.
Finally, knowing that Christ might tarry you have to walk in the spirit and they that are led by the spirit are called sons of God.
Walk in the spirit!!! (Galatians 5:16)

Amen...beautifully stated.
Grace is powerful and such a huge "portion", of the Christian journey...
However, it can never be just "it"..
Christ did His part (something He didn't have to do)...the ultimate act of "love".
However, we, followers of Christ, have a responsibility to do the above mentioned things (as a result of a heart of love and gratitude) for what we could never have done...

Amberon11:
That's not just it. It applies to every Christian.

Who was Jesus talking to when he said not everyone who calls him Lord will enter heaven? Or when he said even those that may have worked miracles in his name wouldn't enter heaven?

He was referring to people who placed their salvation on the WORKS they did instead on Jesus. That's why they boasted 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

Mathew 7:21-23

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who
does the will of My Father in heaven.
Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


Jesus said He never knew them because they never believed in him. Read the verse below to see why they didn't enter heaven despite doing good works.



Mathew 7:21

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.


They didn't do the will of God in Heaven. Now what is the will of God? It is believing in Jesus Christ. Doing that alone guarantees your salvation which you can never lose because Jesus said so.

John 6:39-40

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.



Did the verse say you have to do works to have eternal life? No

iupac120:
Yes. Grace is not enough. After giving your life to Christ , do you stop there?
There are other things that are needed to make your christian race a smooth sail which include sanctification, prayer,meditation, studying the bible, holiness, righteousness, Purity of heart, fruits of the spirit, etc.
Finally, knowing that Christ might tarry you have to walk in the spirit and they that are led by the spirit are called sons of God.
Walk in the spirit!!! (Galatians 5:16)

u are sincerely ignorant. All u need is grace and nothing more. Nothing u listed is a product of man's effort but gift that must be received. Intact u are not holy until u receive it as gift. ROM 5:17, 1cor1:30. To try to work it out by I self is to fall from grace and to fall from grace is to lose one's salvation. Gal5:4, Eph2:8.

If you have not come in contact with the spirit of the scriptures, you will continue to argue on doctrines.

A quick question for anyone who bothers to think.

Why has Christian conduct not gotten better after many years of mainstream preaching of the law and threatening christians with hell? Christians are among the worst when it comes to moral conduct.

Doesn't it show you that the law doesn't have the power to transform lives?

I would even rather be friends with some of the so called unbelievers who have good moral standing than some of the so-called fire and brimstone preaching pious Christians because their lives are nothing to write home about. Hypocrisy is what defines them.

Until a man drops his strength and allows God to lives his life through him, no observance of the law will produce the fruits of the spirit. It will all be a mechanical activity aimed at massaging the ego of our flesh as a way of trying to impress God.

Every of our daily conduct must stem from the fact that the eternal life of God is in us hence we have the ability to live above the flesh. We are not living above the flesh to gain eternal life.
Anyone who is still ruled by his flesh is not conscious of the eternal life that he has.

I don't have time to talk on good Christian conduct and discipline now. But let me say this.
By believing in the finished work of Calvary, we have been bought with a price (that price was Christ's sacrifice) therefore we no longer belong to ourselves. We have become slaves of Christ ...slaves of the eternal love of the father... If you have caught this revelation of the unrelenting love of God, you cannot look God in the eye and do the things that displease him. Your conduct will bring glory to him. The knowledge of Christ sacrifice and love, gives you the strength to live for him alone....slaves of love...
And a man can never truly love God and obey him until he has understood God's love for him because We love God because he first lived us and not the other way round (as many people preach today)

In closing...
"Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it." (Eph 2:9 NLT)

How foolish can you be? After starting your Christian lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?(Gal 3:3 NLT)

Mobilia:


Amen...beautifully stated.
Grace is powerful and such a huge "portion", of the Christian journey...
However, it can never be just "it"..
Christ did His part (something He didn't have to do)...the ultimate act of "love".
However, we, followers of Christ, have a responsibility through the above mentioned things (as a result of a heart of love and gratitude) for what we could never have done...

What you are saying in essence is that the sacrifice God made was not perfect enough that we now have to contribute to it. Very wrong. Jesus Christ paid it all. He did the difficult part on the cross. He has now left us with the easy part which is just believing .

This, for sure is the Gospel [ (Good News
)

alBHAGDADI:
Stop spreading lies.

Grace is all you need. As long as you believe in Jesus Christ and his sacrifice, you can never lose your salvation. There's nothing you can do to save yourself, not even living a righteous life. Salvation is as easy as believing in Jesus Christ. The hard part has been done by Jesus on the cross. Saying you need to contribute to it is the same as saying that God didn't provide a perfect sacrifice for the salvation of mankind.

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Your righteous life is just for reward here and in heaven. This doesn't mean you should continue living in sin. You could get punished for that here on Earth. But depending on your righteousness to get you to heaven is wrong.

Isaiah 64:6

But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Look at Cain and Abel. Cain thought if he worked hard by tilling them soil and sowing fruits which he will present to God, his sacrifice will be accepted; he depended on his works. But Abel sacrificed a lamb to God and was accepted. Why? Because he depended on the Blood which was like a forerunner of the blood of Jesus Christ.

If you are depending on your righteousness to get you to heaven, then you might end up in hell. Depending on Jesus Christ is what saves you. That is Grace which is sufficient.

2 Corinthians 12:19

And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

The men below did works but Jesus still rejected them because they were depending on their works to save them.
Mathew 7:22-23

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Pataricatering:
this is why I run as far as my legs can carry me when I hear born again Christian ! What you are saying now is you can go on a murder spree , lie , cheat , rob , steal - all you need to enter the kingdom of God is grace ! You people are just demonic !

Sister,
I'm sincerely sorry you feel that way. I would run as well if that was the gospel being preached to me...
When people preach that "grace" is ALL that's needed, then they are preaching a "false" gospel.
They may be truly sincere in believing that, but they are wrong.
There are thousands of false doctrines floating around through Christendom....and this is probably one of the top 3 most dangerous ones.
On behalf of Christianity, I apologize that we have so caused so many folks to be confused, irritated and frustrated. The only way you won't be confused is by praying to the Holy Spirit for proper understanding of scripture.
Let me say this:
The Bible is extremely clear that we are not to trample on God's grace. That means that although He has paid the penalty for our sins, we are NOT to remain in them.
God has laid out what He thinks about continual sin in the book of
1 Corinthians 6:9-11.