Pataricatering:
this is why I run as far as my legs can carry me when I hear born again Christian ! What you are saying now is you can go on a murder spree , lie , cheat , rob , steal - all you need to enter the kingdom of God is grace ! You people are just demonic !

That doctrine gat me shaking!!! They still don't understand,though grace is enough for some people due to the situation they find themselves like that of the right hand thief of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary.

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alBHAGDADI:
What you are saying in essence is that the sacrifice God made was not perfect enough that we now have to contribute to it. Very wrong. Jesus Christ paid it all. He did the difficult part on the cross. He has now left us with the easy part which is just believing .

Actually I'm not saying that brother.
Nothing Jesus Christ does or has ever done, nor will ever do is imperfect. Yes He has never made a mistake...
Believing..yes...but remember that love is an "action" word...

Grace is an unmerited favor from Christ. Without Him we cannot live for Him. All is of Him but er have a part to play.

Mobilia:


Actually I'm not saying that brother.
Nothing Jesus Christ does or has ever donebot will ever do is imperfect. Yes He has never made a mistake...
Believing..yes...but remember that love is an "action" word...

If you believe you have to contribute works to your salvation, then you were never really saved. As a matter of fact, you will insult Jesus on judgment day. Let me give you an illustration.

Let's say you want to go to Badagry, you tell your friend to drive you there in his car. He tells you to fuel his car before he can do that. Imagine getting to Badagry and he starts to proudly speak of how he did you a favor by driving you in his car to Badagry, how will you feel? Won't you remind him of how you fueled his car with your money, which means it wasn't all him?

That's exactly what you will do if you believe your works is part of what gets you to heaven. You will want to deprive Jesus of His glory which should be his alone. Your works can't get you to heaven because you don't even know the way to the place. Jesus Christ said "I am the way, the truth and the life". That's why he said to those people depending on their works that he never knew them. They thought they were partners in the salvation business.

I am so surprise that my fellow brethren are agueing this topic. grace does not stop you from praying and studying Gods word. I don't understand who preached these things to op.I think this is no topic atall

alBHAGDADI:
If you believe you have to contribute works to your salvation, then you were never really saved. As a matter of fact, you will insult Jesus on judgment day. Let me give you an illustration.

Let's say you want to go to Badagry, you tell your friend to drive you there in his car. He tells you to fuel his car before he can do that. Imagine getting to Badagry and he starts to proudly speak of how he did you a favor by driving you in his car to Badagry, how will you feel? Won't you remind him of how you fueled his car with your money, which means it wasn't all him?

That's exactly what you will do if you believe your works is part of what gets you to heaven. You will want to deprive Jesus of His glory which should be his alone. Your works can't get you to heaven because you don't even know the way to the place. Jesus Christ said "I am the way, the truth and the life". That's why he said to those people depending on their works that he never knew them. They thought they were partners in the salvation business.

Brother,
You are being quite a bit unfair.
First and foremost...I have no desire to deprive Jesus of any glory.
In fact, if it weren't for Jesus, I would not even be here...so please let's not use words like that so strongly. You're miscontruing what I'm trying to say.
I am not saying a "works-based" faith and I think you would understand that I'm not advocating that.
I am saying that as a RESULT of a heart of love and gratitude for what Christ has done for us...we, in turn, will not deliberately engage in sin that would crucify Him anew. But if we do, then we have the option of confession, forgiveness and prayer for true repentance..(which is Grace personified).
However, as the result of a consecrated and renewed heart, we would take the time to do as the OP brother listed in this thread.

We can agree to disagree though.
Not wanting to debate nor argue this.
Blessings still to you

kingkakaone:
At SALVATION, God cleanses u from your past and SANCTIFIES u which makes u automatically RIGHTEOUS to stay HOLY and also gives u his Spirit (Holy Spirit) so u can live a holy life and manifest HIS FRUITS.

U get all those package u listed at salvation, what I expect u to say is that after salvation, u need REVELATIONS constantly from the Holy Spirit to stay on point.

It is daily revelation from the same HOLY SPIRIT given u during salvation that helps u navigate through in ur Christian race.

My opinion.

Thank you sir!.exactly what I taught in church today.
we can only mortify the misdeeds of the flesh by the spirit.
He leads why you follow.

jmoore:
All these Born-again Christians that still fornicate, why can't grace stop them from fornicating?

Shall we continue to sin so that grace may abound?

God forbid......... We make use of the grace of God given to us in abundance to work out our salvation daily by being faithful to God in every sense of the word...... His grace is what helps us to do good and keep trying everyday to become better than we were..... We cannot say because we have his grace therefore we can do just about whatever we like, no, we must use this abundant grace to always try and do what's right here on earth till we meet him face to face.

kingkakaone:
At SALVATION, God cleanses u from your past and SANCTIFIES u which makes u automatically RIGHTEOUS to stay HOLY and also gives u his Spirit (Holy Spirit) so u can live a holy life and manifest HIS FRUITS.

U get all those package u listed at salvation, what I expect u to say is that after salvation, u need REVELATIONS constantly from the Holy Spirit to stay on point.

It is daily revelation from the same HOLY SPIRIT given u during salvation that helps u navigate through in ur Christian race.

My opinion.

You are totally wrong.

No one is sanctified at Salvation. Sanctification is a definite work of grace. Jesus prayed for his disciples to be sanctified even after they have gone to evangelism and performed exploits through his name.

Sanctification is sought after and prayed fervently for to be received. Commitment is necessary for sanctification.

jmoore:
All these Born-again Christians that still fornicate, why can't grace stop them from fornicating?

Shall we continue to sin so that grace may abound?

God forbid, no born again Christian fornicates.

Backsliders do.

Pataricatering:
this is why I run as far as my legs can carry me when I hear born again Christian ! What you are saying now is you can go on a murder spree , lie , cheat , rob , steal - all you need to enter the kingdom of God is grace ! You people are just demonic !

You didn't get him well, probably your mind is narrowed, he said been led by the holy spirit to live your daily Christian life, holy spirit will not lead you to kill, steal or practice sin.
But believing that becos you don't make mistakes takes you to heaven is sincerely wrong sir.
it's purely based on Jesus, he leads why I follow and leads me by the spirit of grace.

Mobilia:


Brother,
You are being quite a bit unfair.
First and foremost...I have no desire to deprive Jesus of any glory.
In fact, if it weren't for Jesus, I would not even be here...so please let's not use words like that so strongly. You're miscontruing what I'm trying to say.
I am not saying a "works-based" faith and I think you would understand that I'm not advocating that.
I am saying that as a RESULT of a heart of love and gratitude for what Christ has done for us...we, in turn, will not deliberately engage in sin that would crucify Him anew. But if we do, then we have the option of confession, forgiveness and prayer for true repentance..(which is Grace personified).
However, as the result of a consecrated and renewed heart, we would take the time to do as the OP brother listed in this thread.

We can agree to disagree though.
Not wanting to debate nor argue this.
Blessings still to you

You are right..... What people don't understand is that in as much as we contributed nothing to our being saved by Christ, we must contribute to maintaining this salvation brought to us...... We are to always sanctify ourselves by examining our lives from time to time, then whenever we go wrong (cos that's bound to happen as we are still humans with weak flesh) we then ask for forgiveness and that's where this abundant grace of Christ comes to play, it is always there for us to enable us reattach ourselves to Christ and to keep fighting the good fight till our time is over....... We can't just fold our hands and do nothing cos we've been saved, we must do our part to see that this salvation does not go to waste and this is only possible cos his grace is abundant and sufficient for us.

LadyExcellency:


You are totally wrong.

No one is sanctified at Salvation. Sanctification is a definite work of grace. Jesus prayed for his disciples to be sanctified even after they have gone to evangelism and performed exploits through his name.

Sanctification is sought after and prayed fervently for to be received. Commitment is necessary for sanctification.

U are d one wrong here.
U used the disciples which is ur first error.
Answer me this, were the disciples born again?
Did they receive the Holy Spirit while Christ was on earth?

What most of u don't understand is that sanctification comes at the beginning, without it, ur salvation is not real. God takes away ur filthiness and replaces it with Christ's righteousness.

How can u become a born again with ur past sin when God still sees them according to u?

All u need after salvation is connection to the Holy Spirit to stay sanctified.

Read Romans 10:1-3 to help urself.
Read John 15:3; John 17:17.

I repeat boldly that u are sanctified at salvation if not u can't be righteous before God.

Glycolysis:

No,you don't get everything at salvation....your persistency to seek God's face & some restitution, if any,will lead you to the experience of sanctification & Baptism of the Holy spirit,which happens the same time....

Speaking from my personal experience...long ago.

Ur experience cannot be used as universal as every one have their different personal experiences with God.

BTW, Ur experience is born out of religion not according to the Holy Spirit.

If only we allow the Holy Spirit to lead us constantly, we won't be using our own strength to gauge our efforts.

For all those who think and preach that GRACE is not enough, it is obvious they do not know what grace is. May God help their unbelief.

And for those who think and preach that they can live anyhow they like after receiving Jesus, it is also obvious they do not know what GRACE is. May God help their unbelief.

Grace is simply the free gift of God to man. It is the manifestation of that which is known of God, in man. It is the complete work of God as told by the word of God.

Grace is 100% of God, 100% complete and 100% free. Whatever you have that you can vaguely glory about is not of grace. Whatever experience you have that you worked for, is not of grace. Ask Abraham the Father of faith.

God is the One who has worked, not you. Grace is the work God has done, not the work God will do. God has finished every work. God has entered into rest. When this work is to be produced in you, you don't work. All you have to do is believe.

Grace is accessed by believing.

Believing is activating that divinely created part of man that agrees with God. Once you agree with the work of God, that work of God comes alive in you. Believing triggers a process that does not stop until it crystallizes in the visible manifestation of the work that God has already done thereby making it visibly seen in the now. Believing therefore must be patient and continuous.

Believing always produces result. In man it produces the work of God that is agreed with. In Saints it produces the work of God that is agreed with. In those who say there is no God it produces foolishness. In devils it produces trembling.

Judgement is the work of God. Salvation is the work of God. Holiness is the work of God. Healing is the work of God. Prosperity is the work of God.

headbasher96:
your father na pastor some of u have this calling but u leave it for osibande and tinubu why guy

Lolssss... There are some things happening today in the body of Christ that is hitting me hard.

Most people are ordained because they have money or because their parents are helping the church while those with proper knowledge of the word are relegated to church cleaners.

I believe things will change for the better soon as people are connecting to God on personal levels.

Achorise:
Thank you sir!.exactly what I taught in church today.
we can only mortify the misdeeds of the flesh by the spirit.
He leads why you follow.

Yeah, u taught the right thing.

People struggle to overcome sin because all their thoughts are filled with the sins thy are fighting to overcome instead of thinking more of the Holy Spirit to help them live free of sin.
AS A MAN THINKETH IN HIS HEART, SO IS HE.

If only our thoughts are centered on how to please God, our deeds would be same.

U can't act beyond Ur thoughts process.

There is a clear misunderstanding of what you call grace. You only focused on the Saving grace. There's a sustaining grace that helps you live the life of a Christian such as praying and walking with God.
Grace is More than enough.

Apostle Paul declares : For His grace is Sufficient for us.
Every function in Christ is of grace.
I pray God grant us more understanding and clearer insight.

alBHAGDADI:
I still say it that you can't lose your salvation. You can only lose it if you were never saved. Eternal life is a free gift given unto those who believe in Jesus Christ. It is a gift which God won't take back, or else it seizes being a gift but a loan.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;



Now, to your talk if someone losing his salvation. I repeat, you can't lose it because God won't allow you slip off His grip. Nothing can take you away from Him after He saves you because He is stronger that anything. Read what Jesus said about his followers.

John 10:26-30

but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

to be factual, if one claims to believe in Jesus, that person does what will please Jesus, you cannot claim to be saved and still be sinning, in fact, the spirit of God cannot live in an unclean place and Romans 8:9b is instructive to say "whoever does not have the spirit of Christ does not belong to him" . It is impossible!

alBHAGDADI:
Of course you will walk the talk after He saves you. But depending on righteous works to get you saved is wrong. He has saved you already, so you don't need to resave yourself. The reason why you need to live a righteous life is because of reward here on Earth and in Heaven. Also, to avoid suffering the consequence of sin. Example: A man sins by smoking heavily. In no time, he will suffer lung cancer, bad breathe or one of those complications related to smoking. He will receive his punishment. But as per salvation, he has already being saved if he believes in jesus.

Now, point out one man who is sinless here on Earth. The Bible says such a man's righteousness is like filthy rags before God. Do you still want to keep depending on filthy rags to save you or Jesus himself?

Man naturally cannot work his salvation by himself, but when Man is born of the spirit, the Spirit helps man to easily strive towards perfection, and grace does the rest. It is not to say because you are saved, then it is right to go on sinning deliberately and relying on grace, no, It is better to live a holy life and whatever shortcoming occurs which is inadvertent, grace takes care of it. Refer to the story of Uzzah, who out of zeal assisted God in supporting the ark of covenant when it was about to fall, he got struck dead because there was no grace then. If such were to happen now, Uzzah would not have been struck dead though the action might be a sin in God's sight. Because it was not deliberate and his motive was not impure, grace would have covered up for the consequences which is being struck dead by God.

kingkakaone:

U are d one wrong here.
U used the disciples which is ur first error.
Answer me this, were the disciples born again?
Did they receive the Holy Spirit while Christ was on earth?

What most of u don't understand is that sanctification comes at the beginning, without it, ur salvation is not real. God takes away ur filthiness and replaces it with Christ's righteousness.

How can u become a born again with ur past sin when God still sees them according to u?

All u need after salvation is connection to the Holy Spirit to stay sanctified.

Read Romans 10:1-3 to help urself.
Read John 15:3; John 17:17.

I repeat boldly that u are sanctified at salvation if not u can't be righteous before God.

Yes, the disciples were born again and were also baptizing new converts according the scriptures.

Sanctification is totally different from Justification.

Being Justified through his blood, we have boldness and access to the throne of God.

Salvation is the initial work of grace gotten through believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth through faith in Jesus Christ. At Salvation, you got justification through the finished work of Christ.

Sanctification is the second work of grace whereby a believer that is totally committed to Christ prays for total uprooting of Adam and inbred sins that most times upsets most Christians unawares. The Holy Spirit regenerates our hearts and desires at Sanctification and make us more committed to the work of God and totally free from sin

Jesus Christ prayed for us all for sanctification when He said, God, not only these disciples but as many that will be converted through them.

kingkakaone:

Ur experience cannot be used as universal as every one have their different personal experiences with God.

BTW, Ur experience is born out of religion not according to the Holy Spirit.

If only we allow the Holy Spirit to lead us constantly, we won't be using our own strength to gauge our efforts.

Out of religion ....OK then.

iupac120:
Yes. Grace is not enough. After giving your life to Christ , do you stop there?
There are other things that are needed to make your christian race a smooth sail which include sanctification, prayer,meditation, studying the bible, holiness, righteousness, Purity of heart, fruits of the spirit, etc.
Finally, knowing that Christ might tarry you have to walk in the spirit and they that are led by the spirit are called sons of God.
Walk in the spirit!!! (Galatians 5:16)

Jesus Christ, have never protected Christians any day.
The bible claimed in (Philippians 2:10) that by mention of jesus Christ name every kneel shall bow and every tongues shall confess that jesus Christ is lord.
coming to common sense u will agree with me that if jesus Christ truly grant security protections,
Then pastors would have been the first to prove it.
People comes to church and got killed at the point of praising jesus Christ,
churches collapse and kill people at the point of praising and worshipping jesus Christ,
How can pastors claimed they cast and bound all the devils yet they are afraid of his agents like criminals, arm rubbers, assassins, kidnapper and even area boys with 2/2 short woods?,
When i was a Christian our GOs and the senior pastors will come with arm security personnel and prayed against Satan in the church,
even as they are in church praying,
arm security personnel are guarding them.
If jesus Christ truly protects he would have prove it by not allowing his own house( church) to collapse and kills his own worshippers,
he would have prove it by stopping the herdsmen from attacking his own people that worshipped him day and night.
In (john 14:12) jesus promised that those that believed in him will do all he did and even did greater than him. bible writers claimed that
Jesus died and raised again , jesus raised the dead, jesus walk on the water, jesus turn water into wine, jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights etc,
but no Christian have prove any of this with clear evidence.
If jesus Christ truly exist then pastors would have been the first to prove this fallacies in the bible based on
(john 14:12).
Even so called witches, wizards and Native doctors have confident in their Gods than Christians and pastors that claimed that bible God owns the highest powers,
yes because witches, wizards, native doctors, etc, never move with arm securities but pastor does.
Then i think pastors, clergies should prove jesus by moving without arm securities .
My advice to fellow brothers/sister is to stop being fooled by pastors they are not living by examples, they protect their selves and leave u with empty hands, they enjoy luxuries while u suffer to pay them tithe & offering,
beside they are not truthful rather they are coming to equity with injustices.
No truth in all alien religions. Jesus Christ stories are not different from
Cartoon stories.
I just want make common reasoning

alBHAGDADI:
What you are saying in essence is that the sacrifice God made was not perfect enough that we now have to contribute to it. Very wrong. Jesus Christ paid it all. He did the difficult part on the cross. He has now left us with the easy part which is just believing .

please can you answer me this quick,question, If I get saved and believe in Christ and subsequently while fornicating I die, where will be my destination, will grace save me even though I died doing something that has been clearly marked a sin? Your answer will put all you have been saying in the right perspective for me.

AsapBentley:
Man naturally cannot work his salvation by himself, but when Man is born of the spirit, the Spirit helps man to easily strive towards perfection, and grace does the rest. It is not to say because you are saved, then it is right to go on sinning deliberately and relying on grace, no, It is better to live a holy life and whatever shortcoming occurs which is inadvertent, grace takes care of it. Refer to the story of Uzzah, who out of zeal assisted God in supporting the ark of covenant when it was about to fall, he got struck dead because there was no grace then. If such were to happen now, Uzzah would not have been struck dead though the action might be a sin in God's sight. Because it was not deliberate and his motive was not impure, grace would have covered up for the consequences which is being struck dead by God.

The story of Uzzah which you used to buttress your point even exposes your wrong. Uzzah tried to assist God, though he had good intentions, he was wrong to have done that. That's why God struck him dead. Same thing happens when you try to assist God in saving yourself when he has done it all. Remember His Son said ''It is Finished''. You saying grace is not enough is tantamount to saying ''It is NOT finished'', that's why you want to add more to complete it. That is what will anger Jesus to say I never knew you. He never knew you cos you failed to believe Him when He said 'It is Finished''. You decided to continue when He had finished. This means you continued on the wrong journey. All glory is that of Jesus. Trying to include yourself in the equation that saved you is wrong.

AsapBentley:
to be factual, if one claims to believe in Jesus, that person does what will please Jesus, you cannot claim to be saved and still be sinning, in fact, the spirit of God cannot live in an unclean place and Romans 8:9b is instructive to say "whoever does not have the spirit of Christ does not belong to him" . It is impossible!

The Bible says we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We are all sinners. A day doesn't go by without us sinning, knowingly or unknowingly. Without grace, we will all end up in hell. You can't live without sinning. You are not Jesus who was the only sinless man. If you decided to continue sinning, then you might get punished for that, but it doesn't take away your salvation. If sin is what damns you to hell, then what is the essence of the saying that Jesus saved you? Jesus saved you from damnation. Those that are damned are those who don't believe in Him.

Mobilia:


Brother,
You are being quite a bit unfair.
First and foremost...I have no desire to deprive Jesus of any glory.
In fact, if it weren't for Jesus, I would not even be here...so please let's not use words like that so strongly. You're miscontruing what I'm trying to say.
I am not saying a "works-based" faith and I think you would understand that I'm not advocating that.
I am saying that as a RESULT of a heart of love and gratitude for what Christ has done for us...we, in turn, will not deliberately engage in sin that would crucify Him anew. But if we do, then we have the option of confession, forgiveness and prayer for true repentance..(which is Grace personified).
However, as the result of a consecrated and renewed heart, we would take the time to do as the OP brother listed in this thread.

We can agree to disagree though.
Not wanting to debate nor argue this.
Blessings still to you

You are not crucifying Jesus anew when you sin. No bible verse says such. You will always sin because you are in the flesh. If it is by not sinning we make heaven, then Jesus death on the cross is not needed. We will just abstain from sin. But God knows it is impossible for man to not sin, that's why He gave his son as a sacrifice to redeem us from the condemnation of sin. His blood pays the price for our sins.

The talk of crucifying Jesus anew is just a man-made talk, not Biblical.

AsapBentley:
please can you answer me this quick,question, If I get saved and believe in Christ and subsequently while fornicating I die, where will be my destination, will grace save me even though I died doing something that has been clearly marked a sin? Your answer will put all you have been saying in the right perspective for me.

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


You might get punished on earth for your fornication e.g STD, AIDS etc. It might even drain you mentally. But that doesn't mean you have lost your salvation. It is a gift from God which He won't take back.

If you continue sinning, then you stand the chance of continue getting punished here on earth. It is the same as smoking and drinking heavily when such is not good for one's health. When it starts to affect your health, you know you have reaped the reward for disobedience.

Now, fornication and other sins are not what damns you to hell fire. What damns you is lack of believe in Jesus Christ. An example is when He says ''It is Finished'' but you say you have to continue doing works to save yourself. He has done it all.

In a nutshell, your sins might get you punishment here on earth and prevent you from certain rewards in Heaven, but your not believing in Jesus and all He stands for is what gets you damned in hell.

Pls, read my other posts on this thread to learn more.

LadyExcellency:


Yes, the disciples were born again and were also baptizing new converts according the scriptures.

Sanctification is totally different from Justification.

Being Justified through his blood, we have boldness and access to the throne of God.

Salvation is the initial work of grace gotten through believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth through faith in Jesus Christ. At Salvation, you got justification through the finished work of Christ.

Sanctification is the second work of grace whereby a believer that is totally committed to Christ prays for total uprooting of Adam and inbred sins that most times upsets most Christians unawares. The Holy Spirit regenerates our hearts and desires at Sanctification and make us more committed to the work of God and totally free from sin

Jesus Christ prayed for us all for sanctification when He said, God, not only these disciples but as many that will be converted through them.

U are confusing urself.

U used grace and still talk about u working for sanctification, how's that?

Whatever is not of grace is of work.

Jesus prayed for our sanctification, which sanctification are u working for again?

U that has prayed for all, do u live a week without sin?

BTW, the disciples operated on the grace, u can't assume someone who baptizes others or evangelized as born again.

I can preach even when I'm not born again.

LadyExcellency:


Yes, the disciples were born again and were also baptizing new converts according the scriptures.

Sanctification is totally different from Justification.

Being Justified through his blood, we have boldness and access to the throne of God.

Salvation is the initial work of grace gotten through believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth through faith in Jesus Christ. At Salvation, you got justification through the finished work of Christ.

Sanctification is the second work of grace whereby a believer that is totally committed to Christ prays for total uprooting of Adam and inbred sins that most times upsets most Christians unawares. The Holy Spirit regenerates our hearts and desires at Sanctification and make us more committed to the work of God and totally free from sin

Jesus Christ prayed for us all for sanctification when He said, God, not only these disciples but as many that will be converted through them.

New birth, salvation came after Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world. Jesus was called the lamb of God that took away the sins of the world.

Salvation is a gift from God. We couldn't save ourselves. Jesus paid the price with his own life, blood. He obtained eternal redemption for us.

So it has nothing to do with our efforts. Our effort couldn't save us. And this makes me to even love the Lord more.

In 1 John it says that herein is love, Jesus died for us even when we hated him. It was his love for us that made God take the cloak of flesh.

Do you know that the second person of the Trinity is a man with body just like you and I. And it is that glorified body we will wear on the resurrection day.

Book of Hebrews calls it so great a salvation.

Christianity is not just mere rhetoric it is very deep. When you begin to grow in the Lord and your eyes is opened, you will understand more.


Then in addition when studying the Bible, you need to understand somethings. Reading just English version of the Bible, there are many things you cannot get it full understanding.


The English Bible was not the original language of the Bible. So English Bible will not give you the full meaning.

The Bible has three original language. The old testament was written in Hebrews. The New Testament was written in Greek. Then there was another old testament translation of Bible in Greek called Septuagint. The Septuagint was translated 200 years before Christ was born during the time of Alexander the great.

During the time of Christ, Rome was ruling politically while the language mostly spoken then was Greek. So all the new testament writers wrote in Greek language. The Bible that Jesus read in the synagogue where he quoted the spirit of God is upon me was the Septuagint.

Why am I saying this; you will have deeper understanding of the Bible.

Example in Isaiah 53. Psalm 103 Vs 2 to 5. 1 Peter 2 Vs 24. You will find out that Jesus paid the price for our sins and our sicknesses. It was not just salvation from sin but health for our bodies.

That was why Jesus and his disciples went about healing people sick. The Bible say Jesus will enter a city and heal everyone sick. Not even one sick person was left unhealed. Likewise the disciples.

But today you will see many people of God being tormented by sicknesses and diseases. You will see many people sick and Christians can't do any thing.

In the great commission Jesus told us to go into all the world and preach the gospel/goodnews. And this signs shall follow believers they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover.

So why is there so much inability for the church to do that?

It is simply unbelief and lack of knowledge of Gods word.

LadyExcellency:


God forbid, no born again Christian fornicates.

Backsliders do.

Saying no born again Christian fornicates is the same as saying no born again Christian sins. As long as you are in the flesh, you will always commit one sin or another. The flesh is weak.