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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 7:02am On Aug 09, 2018
EgunMogaji:


Now we’re making progress.

So we have a machine shop, we also have an aluminum welder.

It’s good.

We have always had them, use them when it's not life threatening, but when bores are out of spec, and top area was rattling before it was parked you just give up on the engine.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Nobody: 7:10am On Aug 09, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


We have always had them, use them when it's not life threatening, but when bores are out of spec, and top area was rattling before it was parked you just give up on the engine.

Bore out of spec = +10, 20, 30, 40 thou pistons ??

I did a +80 once on a Mini Cooper. Went from 1275cc to 1380.

The failure was later catastrophic grin

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by AutoElectNG: 7:20am On Aug 09, 2018
For the benefit of those who did not see my earlier post on engine rebuilds

Next step....open a thread and elaborate on those points...sometime in the future

Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Nobody: 7:46am On Aug 09, 2018
AutoElectNG:
For the benefit of those who did not see my earlier post on engine rebuilds

Next step....open a thread and elaborate on those points...sometime in the future

I actually shared this your very post with Her Imperial Majesty RadAuto on another thread this week, I think.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 7:51am On Aug 09, 2018
EgunMogaji:


Bore out of spec = +10, 20, 30, 40 thou pistons ??

I did a +80 once on a Mini Cooper. Went from 1275cc to 1380.

The failure was later catastrophic grin

During your time, Machinists used to be very precise in their jobs, I once took a 1998 corrola with a 1.2liter engine for a re-bore, when the guy was done, I installed new pistons and connecting rods, bearings seals, the whole package, and I assumed a new lease of life. Engine was brought back in 1 week smoking grin

I took every thing apart and did not find any thing out of place. I decided to work backwards....

I measured the bores top to bottom... the top was within spec, the bores at the lower ends were wider in 2 cylinders angry

I had to buy toks engine to pacify the client.

Now imagine if it was weyreypey grin

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 8:21am On Aug 09, 2018
EgunMogaji:


I actually shared this your very post with Her Imperial Majesty RadAuto on another thread this week, I think.

And I immediately stole it for our Facebook page. Thank you Sirs Egun of Mogaj and NG.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by AutoElectNG: 8:21am On Aug 09, 2018
EgunMogaji:


I actually shared this your very post with Her Imperial Majesty RadAuto on another thread this week, I think.

Very nice of you

I just learnt its gone places I had never guessed it would go
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by diportivo: 8:32am On Aug 09, 2018
GAZZUZZ:




Now imagine if it was weyreypey grin

by the time he finishes with u

u wld be like.......

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by oluwaseunla(m): 8:46am On Aug 09, 2018
diportivo:


by the time he finishes with u

u wld be like.......
Is that not a hangman's noose? grin cheesy
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 8:47am On Aug 09, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


During your time, Machinists used to be very precise in their jobs, I once took a 1998 corrola with a 1.2liter engine for a re-bore, when the guy was done, I installed new pistons and connecting rods, bearings seals, the whole package, and I assumed a new lease of life. Engine was brought back in 1 week smoking grin

I took every thing apart and did not find any thing out of place. I decided to work backwards....

I measured the bores top to bottom... the top was within spec, the bores at the lower ends were wider in 2 cylinders angry

I had to buy toks engine to pacify the client.

Now imagine if it was weyreypey grin

grin grin grin grin or Nwan benz

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Inception(m): 9:12am On Aug 09, 2018
EgunMogaji:


Bore out of spec = +10, 20, 30, 40 thou pistons ??

I did a +80 once on a Mini Cooper. Went from 1275cc to 1380.

The failure was later catastrophic grin


shocked

Anything more than +20 is a no-no to me.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by oblo(m): 10:43am On Aug 09, 2018
Gazuzz Madam still dey here ooo grin

Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 10:56am On Aug 09, 2018
oblo:
Gazu.zz Madam still dey here ooo grin

you don ever carry shaku shaku baby b4? grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by kingreign(m): 11:38am On Aug 09, 2018
Inception:



shocked

Anything more than +20 is a no-no to me.

I no dey bother my life rebuilding any engine. I love my peace and my sleep.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Nobody: 2:34pm On Aug 09, 2018
Inception:



shocked

Anything more than +20 is a no-no to me.

It normally would but the offset on the bores made this possible on this particular block
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 4:06pm On Aug 09, 2018
oblo:
Gazuzz Madam still dey here ooo grin

No be me o! Na my phone lol

Spambot sent me to sleep. Said I was talking to much so I gege-ly complied
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by weyreypey: 4:17pm On Aug 09, 2018
diportivo:


by the time he finishes with u

u wld be like.......


Abeg Abeg Abeg...mbok dakala

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 7:21am On Aug 11, 2018
oblo:
Gazuzz Madam still dey here ooo grin

Oh and, snitch lipsrsealed grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by oblo(m): 10:45am On Aug 11, 2018
radautoworks:


Oh and, snitch lipsrsealed grin


Is that not the other unofficial job of a gate man? grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 11:51am On Aug 11, 2018
oblo:



Is that not the other unofficial job of a gate man? grin

grin grin grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Nobody: 1:23pm On Aug 11, 2018
Wow.

Depending on the job at hand and the cost involved.

For me as a customer, if given the option with detailed information (Something that's rare), about the cost involved Vs the value/end result. The most cost efficient option is the winner.

If the right tools and expertise are readily available and accessible locally, I would do a rebuild instead of replacement. I am used to the old engine already and a known devil is better than unknown angel.

So at the end of the day, the options made available, the tools, the parts, and the expertise would help greatly in the decision making.

The end result (Value derived) is much more important than the cost. Although most of us in Nigeria are extremely cost conscious. grin grin grin

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 2:21pm On Aug 11, 2018
TheCar:
Wow.

Depending on the job at hand and the cost involved.

For me as a customer, if given the option with detailed information (Something that's rare), about the cost involved Vs the value/end result. The most cost efficient option is the winner.

If the right tools and expertise are readily available and accessible locally, I would do a rebuild instead of replacement. I am used to the old engine already and a known devil is better than unknown angel.

So at the end of the day, the options made available, the tools, the parts, and the expertise would help greatly in the decision making.

The end result (Value derived) is much more important than the cost. Although most of us in Nigeria are extremely cost conscious. grin grin grin






as a politician you have successfully said you are for apc and pdp at the same time undecided

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Nobody: 5:17pm On Aug 11, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


as a politician you have successfully said you are for apc and pdp at the same time undecided

grin grin grin grin grin

As end-user (Consumer) I have successfully said decision making depends on the options presented by the solution provider.

At least with the enlightenment and information provided here daily by Your Excellency, President Gazzuzz, Her Imperial Majesty, RadAutoWork, His Lordship, AutoElectNG and His Emirates, TheBigkendo of Honda Accord United Emirates Kingdom plus His Royal Highness, Olubadan Egun.Mogaji we are aware that there are options available.

Research In Motion. grin grin grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by sultaan(m): 6:29pm On Aug 11, 2018
From our point of view labor cost is the biggest chunk of Auto repair it is easier and faster to replace with used engine scrap old engine when doing diy, at mechanics shop they buy rebuilt engines so warranty is on labor and rebuilder warranty covers engine.

If you use a common model like Corolla engine can be very cheap at junk yard, wall all saw video posted by Egunmogaji of a $20 all you can carry

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 7:54pm On Aug 11, 2018
oblo:



Is that not the other unofficial job of a gate man? grin

Yeye gateman if he works for someone else cheesy
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 7:56pm On Aug 11, 2018
TheCar:


grin grin grin grin grin

As end-user (Consumer) I have successfully said decision making depends on the options presented by the solution provider.

At least with the enlightenment and information provided here daily by Your Excellency, President Gazzuzz, Her Imperial Majesty, RadAutoWork, His Lordship, AutoElectNG and His Emirates, TheBigkendo of Honda Accord United Emirates Kingdom plus His Royal Highness, Olubadan Egun.Mogaji we are aware that there are options available.

Research In Motion. grin grin grin




I think I will keep this title o. Add Khaleesi and it's a wrap!
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 7:57pm On Aug 11, 2018
sultaan:
From our point of view labor cost is the biggest chunk of Auto repair it is easier and faster to replace with used engine scrap old engine when doing diy, at mechanics shop they buy rebuilt engines so warranty is on labor and rebuilder warranty covers engine.

If you use a common model like Corolla engine can be very cheap at junk yard, wall all saw video posted by Egunmogaji of a $20 all you can carry

Exactly and labor is so cheap in Nigeria which is why it's hard to justify replacements for us since parts are available. At the end if the day, we offer customer information on both options and let them decide. Even in the USA with the high labor costs, they typically went for rebuilds with both options unless they had a 'hooptie'.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Nobody: 9:00pm On Aug 11, 2018
radautoworks:


Exactly and labor is so cheap in Nigeria which is why it's hard to justify replacements for us since parts are available. At the end if the day, we offer customer information on both options and let them decide. Even in the USA with the high labor costs, they typically went for rebuilds with both options unless they had a 'hooptie'.

Some cars I have I pray the engine just stops working so I have an excuse to tear into a rebuild of the engine and upgrade what doesn’t need upgrading grin

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 3:32am On Aug 12, 2018
So many kits, so little time...
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by obekediamondfuto(m): 5:22pm On Aug 12, 2018
yes I Don show!

I dunno y my mentions here were not duly updated.

firstly, most of us are speaking from the mechanics view, .... which is very important.

but how many mechanics can undertake this task of engine rebuild? less than 20 percent and more than half of the 20 percent are taking this task cos they want to use the engine as a test subject, so before they start.... they give u a caveat emptor (oga e for beta to Change this engine oh).

one can only speak for himself(as a mechanic) ... u cannot unanimously speak for others. but to declare publicly that a rebuild is better than a replacement...... is kinda ambiguous before someone somewhere tells his mechanic to rebuild his gearbox.

A rebuild, is always better and cost effective when it is done right and all protocols observed! even in the corolla...... but like I keep saying, Nigeria is a peculiar place... what is obtainable overseas is extremely far fetched here....

firstly we lacked expertise, then expertise came, then came the lawyers and the force men, then came the Arabians and Mexicans, then we found a way around all these.

common tire patching, the vulcanizer will put 50 in the tire for u and tighten 3 out of 5nuts and still will not lock them because u ain't there to supervise...... talk more of engine rebuild. when it is done right, it is always good for the customer and tedious, time consuming and complex for the mechanic whose time does not adequately translate to money.

it's like whether it's better to rebuild a heavily accidented vehicle or to replace it..... when it is done right, it will be almost like a brand new vehicle than buying another used vehicle from the Oyibo man.

but the time involved, coupled with the lack of either expertise or responsibility on the part of the mechanic will almost always deter the customer from embarking on that journey.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by darmilolah(m): 5:45pm On Aug 12, 2018
Rebuilding option sounds nice but English speaking mechanic will make some of run.

Her Royal Majesty quote 9500/hr. In my head I am thinking and pressing calculator how many hours will take to unmount, rebuild, reinstall my small civic engine bearing in mind that the Borale is less than 100k in oyingbo and labour is cheaper to fix the engine there.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by obekediamondfuto(m): 5:49pm On Aug 12, 2018
darmilolah:
Rebuilding option sounds nice but English speaking mechanic will make some of run.

Her Royal Majesty quote 9500/hr. In my head I am thinking and pressing calculator how many hours will take to unmount, rebuild, reinstall my small civic engine bearing in mind that the Borale is less than 100k in oyingbo and labour is cheaper to fix the engine there.

sample customer assertion 1.........

now would u still rebuild if labour and diagnosis is free? the answer will definitely be yes.... what if the parts are to be sourced internationally? the price will also change from oyingbo own oh so hafa

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