Gggg102:


man came when elements began reacting and combining creating complex organic compounds creating complex molecular structure creating biological organisms that some increased in complexity to become man. none requiring a designer.

prove that a designer was involved in formation of man.
prove that the universe was created.

What is there to prove when there is order? The universe is ordered, even the internal structure of man is ordered ; it is not random and there is no confusion in anything ; everything is fixed . This is sign , a proof of that something or someone created this order . Because the probability of creating such an order is infinitesimally small...so small it can be considered negligible. Now who created those elements you spoke of ?

Shelumiel:
What is there to prove when there is order? The universe is ordered, even the internal structure of man is ordered ; it is not random and there is no confusion in anything ; everything is fixed . This is sign , a proof of that something or someone created this order . Because the probability of creating such an order is infinitesimally small...so small it can be considered negligible. Now who created those elements you spoke of ?

order is not proof that existence was created.

the probability might be infinitesimally small but it does not equal zero.

nobody created the elements.

prove the elements was created.

Shelumiel:
Your cousin said these things (the universe and its mechnisms )happen by "chance" , and if I am to read meaning into that , then it means that the products acquired from this reaction will definitely occur due to "chance "...that also means that nothing (even the laws of science ) certain; and that everything does not follow a certain order or pattern, abi nor be so ?

Saying nothing created the universe does not mean that one implies that the universe existed by chance. If so, god also existed by chance because it is claimed that nothing created it. In fact, believing in God requires that one accepts god's existence is by chance. So I wonder why you're even having problem with things happening or existing by chance in the first place

Gggg102:


order is not proof that existence was created.

the probability might be infinitesimally small but it does not equal zero.

nobody created the elements.

prove the elements was created.

Look around you and tell me if there is randomness ....look at your phone, and it functionality, did that happen by chance ...is there no order in its design ?Whether you acknowledge it or not everything is ordered , order is the whispering voice telling you that something is responsible for what you see. Now answer me regarding the question of elements. Who or what brought them ?

chemystery:

Saying nothing created the universe does not mean that one implies that the universe existed by chance. If so, god also existed by chance because it is claimed that nothing created it. In fact, believing in God requires that one accepts god's existence is by chance. So I wonder why you're even having problem with things happening or existing by chance in the first place

I'm a engineer so I don't believe in chance . Sorry . But you take your theory to those who gamble with Nairabet and see it they'll but your idea on "chance ".

Shelumiel:
Look around you and tell me if there is randomness ....look at your phone, and it functionality, did that happen by chance ...is there no order in its design ?Whether you acknowledge it or not everything is ordered , order is the whispering voice telling you that something is responsible for what you see. Now answer me regarding the question of elements. Who or what brought them ?

sand dunes and snow flakes are ordered and they don't have designers.
things can be ordered without designer in nature. the universe is not even completely ordered.

formation of the universe brought them.

prove that god exists.

Shelumiel:

understand that the fact that if atheist can't prove god doesn't exists, it does mean god exists.
and if theists can't prove god exists, it does not mean god doesn't exist.

absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

the burden of proof lies on both sides.

the theist should prove god exists.
the atheist should prove god doesn't exist.

Irony.. isn't it funny how the atheists are more refined and polite than the so-called religious man?

Gggg102:



sand dunes and snow flakes are ordered and they don't have designers.
things can be ordered without designer in nature. the universe is not even completely ordered.

formation of the universe brought them.

prove that god exists.

Formation ? What brought the formation. ..who was responsible? Where did the matter involved come from; what source did it spring from ...? Can you answer?

Shelumiel:
I'm a engineer so I don't believe in chance . Sorry . But you take your theory to those who gamble with Nairabet and see it they'll but your idea on "chance ".

Ok

Gggg102:


understand that the fact that if atheist can't prove god doesn't exists, it does mean god exists.
and if theists can't prove god exists, it does not mean god doesn't exist.

absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

the burden of proof lies on both sides.

the theist should prove god exists.
the atheist should prove god doesn't exist.

You're just talking trash . There is no middle ground in this argument: it's either God exist or not . The atheist can't prove that God does not exist , so that means He exist since they can't disprove it. For a theist, his proofs lie in a concepts that are beyond human understanding and logic .

Shelumiel:
Formation ? What brought the formation. ..who was responsible? Where did the matter involved come from; what source did it spring from ...? Can you answer?

nothing brought about it.

Gggg102:


nothing brought about it.

Lol , this is super funny ! So everything originated from something else , but the formation responsible did not come from anything? Chai...this is serious . So in essence , it always was there , right ? Please where did kind of weird thinking come from ...is this from you , or a some brain-dead scientist ?

Shelumiel:
You're just talking trash . There is no middle ground in this argument: it's either God exist or not . The atheist can't prove that God does not exist , so that means He exist since they can't disprove it. For a theist, his proofs lie in a concepts that are beyond human understanding and logic .

I thought you said you were logical. saying god exists because atheists can prove he doesn't is called argumentum ad ignoramum. argument from ignorance. it is a logical fallacy.

if his proof lies beyond human understanding and logic, then you can't logically prove god exists.
you are admitting that you CANNOT prove god exists with logic.

using your fallacious logic, the atheist would say: since you cannot logically prove that god exists (as you yourself as admitted), then god does not exist.
can you see the error now?

Gggg102:



I thought you said you were logical. saying god exists because atheists can prove he doesn't is called argumentum ad ignoramum. argument from ignorance. it is a logical fallacy.

if his proof lies beyond human understanding and logic, then you can't logically prove god exists.
you are admitting that you CANNOT prove god exists with logic.

using your fallacious logic, the atheist would say: since you cannot logically prove that god exists (as you yourself as admitted), then god does not exist.
can you see the error now?

The concept of God does not lie in logic , it is a higher understanding that is far above logic . Until you can understand what this means , you will always , fool yourself into thinking there is no God , but yet cannot disprove it .

Shelumiel:
Lol , this is super funny ! So everything originated from something else , but the formation responsible did not come from anything? Chai...this is serious . So in essence , it always was there , right ? Please where did kind of weird thinking come from ...is this from you , or a some brain-dead scientist ?

you also,

lol, this is super funny! so everything originated from something else, but the god responsible did not come from anything? chai... this is serious. so in essence, god was always there, right? please where did this kind of weird thinking come from... is it from you, or some brain-dead religious teacher?

Shelumiel:
The concept of God does not lie in logic , it is a higher understanding that is far above logic . Until you can understand what this means , you will always , fool yourself into thinking there is no God , but yet cannot disprove it .

you were trying to prove god using logic so you've shot yourself in your foot by also asserting you can't use logic to prove god.

I cannot disprove god using logic and you cannot prove god using logic.

that you can't logically prove god exists does not mean he doesn't exist. I'm sure you agree with this.

it also applies the other way around. that you can't logically disprove god doesn't mean he exists.

Gggg102:


you also,

lol, this is super funny! so everything originated from something else, but the god responsible did not come from anything? chai... this is serious. so in essence, god was always there, right? please where did this kind of weird thinking come from... is it from you, or some brain-dead religious teacher?

It seems your theories have met a dead-end, which is why you're shifting to mimicry. But I'll leave it here. Do yourself a favor : find out more regarding the creation of this universe . Shalom

Shelumiel:
It seems your theories have met a dead-end, which is why you're shifting to mimicry. But I'll leave it here. Do yourself a favor : find out more regarding the creation of this universe . Shalom

I'm only showing you the big hole in your reasoning. if you can't see it, you need greater help.

just to clear the air with you, I don't actually believe that god does not exist. just thought I should show you your flaws.

Shelumiel:
His challenge has no relation to the discussion in question ! A car and God are not on the same level of analogy, so it is illogical to compare both and use them to prove one another.

Chai. Your brain must be on sabbatical if u didn't see the relation to the discussion. I respect the people trying to engage u. They have a lot of patience.

NPComplete:


Chai. Your brain must be on sabbatical if u didn't see the relation to the discussion. I respect the people trying to engage u. They have a lot of patience.

Mehn, just shut the f**k up.

Greatest hits

Shelumiel:
Mehn, just shut the f**k up.

Keep announcing ur idiocy to the world. Simple relationship matching between contextual sentences your brain is incapable of it. Yet u want to argue about the existence of a creator capable of birthing the universe. U are out of your league. People like u are the ones giving atheists ammunition to argue against the existence of God. They will be asking themselves if there really was God how come he created something as dumb as u?

NPComplete:


Keep announcing ur idiocy to the world. Simple relationship matching between contextual sentences your brain is incapable of it. Yet u want to argue about the existence of a creator capable of birthing the universe. U are out of your league. People like u are the ones giving atheists ammunition to argue against the existence of God. They will be asking themselves if there really was God how come he created something and dumb as u?

Your stupidity is the only gift you can offer , but I choose to reject it . Shalom

Grace church

Gggg102:


man came when elements reacting and combining creating complex organic compounds creating complex molecular structure creating biological organisms that some increased in complexity to become man. none requiring a designer.

prove that a designer was involved in formation of man.
prove that the universe was created.

Lol.....
I wish that guy could see deeper !
Now,with the "evidence" you subscribed to, that that's how man came to be ....

Here are my questions ;

Where did the micro "element" that engaged in random reaction came from ?
It must have come from a source....don't tell me something came out of nothing !
Their have being no cases of spontaneous generation is sciences...
Something can't come out of nothing !

Secondly,what is YOUR evidence of the processes of elements combining & reacting to create human ,that underwent evolutionary process till we became who we are today..

YOUR EVIDENCE SIR ON THE PROCESS YOU STATED ABOVE !

And not as a result of what you were told & you believed it because it fits into your system of believe....

Glycolysis:

Lol.....
I wish that guy could see deeper !
Now,with the "evidence" you subscribed to, that that's how man came to be ....

Here are my questions ;

Where did the micro "element" that engaged in random reaction came from ?
It must have come from a source....don't tell me something came out of nothing !
Their have being no cases of spontaneous generation is sciences...
Something can't come out of nothing !

Secondly,what is YOUR evidence of the processes of elements combining & reacting to create human ,that underwent evolutionary process till we became who we are today..

YOUR EVIDENCE SIR ON THE PROCESS YOU STATED ABOVE !

And not as a result of what you were told & you believed it because it fits into your system of believe....

I could say it came from nothing.
(just airing a possibility, not necessarily my actual position).

absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. that we don't see things popping out of nothing doesn't mean they can't pop out of nothing.

if you can't accept that something came from nothing due to the reason that there has been no spontaneous generation in science, why would you accept that something (god) is eternal since there has been no eternal thing in science?

almost everything from after the bigbang has a scientific explanation. a little google search would give you answers.

btw, I'm no atheist, don't get yourself lost. the question in bold is what I want an answer to.

Shelumiel:
We are talking about God , not Yahweh. Prove to me that God does not exist and I will gladly follow your atheist views .

YHWH and God na the same thing naa... God na anglicised version naaa.

Arondizuogu:


YHWH and God na the same thing naa... God na anglicised version naaa.

The word God is a term , while YHWH is a name .

Shelumiel:
You're more stupid that I thought. Who is God and what he is already defined (by me every other person who believes in its existenceof which you already know ). So how the f**k does redefining an already defined meaning to God help your case ....

Who is God and what he is has not already been defined.

God is very ambogious bevause there are thousands of Gods put there on planet earth.

Joyful

Gggg102:


I could say it came from nothing.
(just airing a possibility, not necessarily my actual position).

absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. that we don't see things popping out of nothing doesn't mean they can't pop out of nothing.

if you can't accept that something came from nothing due to the reason that there has been no spontaneous generation in science, why would you accept that something (god) is eternal since there has been no eternal thing in science?

almost everything from after the bigbang has a scientific explanation. a little google search would give you answers.

btw, I'm no atheist, don't get yourself lost. the question in bold is what I want an answer to.

Science is all about logics !
And as it stands,your assertion is very very poor to assume that something came out of nothing in science...
And you assertion about big bang is very very wrong ! It's not proven & has many theory about it up for debate ever now & then..

Hence,why you can't use the same science logic to explain God !
God divination is beyond your mere brain cell & sciences observation & test..

Hence,the existence of God is not even up for debate !
You accept his exist or not,don't change anything about His divination !