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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(op): 8:30am On Aug 25, 2018
EgunMogaji:
Wait a minute.

I’m not saying all crankshafts need that. This particular cshaft may not need more than a good cleaning if it hasn’t spun in the bearings.
In this case it was replaced, we are yet to get a proper clear breakdown of cost of parts in Naira.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 8:31am On Aug 25, 2018
oluwaseunla:
That is on the assumption that your engine needs only a crankshaft and oil pump. That is why I said extent of damage is also a factor.
And we tore down the whole motor before we listed what needed changing. Actually have a video but can't figure out how to post here. Plus I'm mad he put parts on the floor instead of the work bench when assembling so I told him to do it better and make new video
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(op): 8:32am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:
Retail is N95,626 but I'm obviously not telling you our cost. Or did you forget we are a Carquest?

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/crankshaft-rebuilders-remanufactured-crankshaft-kit-29620/20950159-P?searchTerm=Engine+Crankshaft+Kit
The Term retail should refer to client buying single part.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(op): 8:33am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:
And we tore down the whole motor before we listed what needed changing. Actually have a video but can't figure out how to post here. Plus I'm mad he put parts on the floor instead of the work bench when assembling so I told him to do it better and make new video
Kamaru? grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by diportivo: 8:33am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:
Thank you and that is something we'd rather not deal with. When we use something, the world sees what we are using. There are no dark deep secrets
wa sere

open book lawon eleyi o grin

in this (naija) terrain tho,the more you look,the less you see

automedics did much more than this at first..even them don relearn idle tey tey

continue the good work ojare........ko ma lo bee cool

Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 8:35am On Aug 25, 2018
oluwaseunla:
That is on the assumption that your engine needs only a crankshaft and oil pump. That is why I said extent of damage is also a factor.
The assumption is based on the corolla of interest, not generalizing for all rebuilds and Gazzuzz quote for team replacement from another thread
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by diportivo: 8:35am On Aug 25, 2018
evilspirit:
I may not like gazzuzz attitude but I rather take my car to his workshop for engine replacement thank use 100k as labor for a rebuild.
nah

he's too arrogant and cocky to even answer u on the fone and give u an appointment

fact!!undecided
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by oluwaseunla(m): 8:35am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:
And we tore down the whole motor before we listed what needed changing. Actually have a video but can't figure out how to post here. Plus I'm mad he put parts on the floor instead of the work bench when assembling so I told him to do it better and make new video
Yes ma'am. I understand your process. Only pointing out to him that the final cost of rebuild will be dependent on extent of damage of the engine.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 8:36am On Aug 25, 2018
oluwaseunla:
Phew, you just broke my heart. cry cry cry
I'm sowwy!
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 8:38am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:
Kamaru? grin
Yes, he forgot himself lol
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by oluwaseunla(m): 8:39am On Aug 25, 2018
thebigkendo:
The assumption is based on the corolla of interest, not generalizing for all rebuilds and Gazzuzz quote for team replacement from another thread
Ok. So the statement is for if this particular vehicle is yours. Not a general statement for a corolla rebuild right?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 8:40am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:
The Term retail should refer to client buying single part.
And it does. That's what I would sell the part for is someone wanted to buy it which tells you I get it for less than that. Now do you want to reevaluate your math on what it would cost us to do this repair and if it's possible it not? smiley

I have been trying to be subtle when you kept pressing cost but we are not a mechanic. We are a DISTRIBUTOR. The costs you're familiar with don't apply to us.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 8:41am On Aug 25, 2018
oluwaseunla:
Yes ma'am. I understand your process. Only pointing out to him that the final cost of rebuild will be dependent on extent of damage of the engine.
I understood. That's why I clarified this particular case before he asked because I figured that was coming next.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(op): 8:46am On Aug 25, 2018
corrola is pending, let's get to the camry with the stripped bolt issue.

today I no go work and I have a lot of free time on my hands.

strip Bolt on a 2az engine fixed @ 110,000 instead of replacing.

What did you replace?

did you ensure client will not have to bother with oil burn issues in near future?

What was the cost break down?




radautoworks:
WHAT IS THIS OBSESSION ON NAIRALAND WITH "REPLACE ENGINE" AND "REPLACE COMPRESSOR/CONDENSER"??

Most of the time, that is not necessary and is only recommended because they either can't or won't diagnose what actual component in the system is causing the problem so they just replace the whole system.

Rebuilds only take 2-3 days unless there is a parts delay

e.g. other recommendation on here ( sight unseen I might add) was 300k engine replacement. Actual solution only cost 113k and did NOT require an engine replacement SMH.

I've attached a picture of the supposed 300k engine replacement problem. Yes, you are seeing right. Someone used SOCKET TOOLS as a part in the engine cry

They also used a knockoff two layer gasket instead of three.

oh, and did I mention diagnosis was FREE with the repair?

Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(op): 8:51am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:
And it does. That's what I would sell the part for is someone wanted to buy it which tells you I get it for less than that. Now do you want to reevaluate your math on what it would cost us to do this repair and if it's possible it not? smiley

I have been trying to be subtle when you kept pressing cost but we are not a mechanic. We are a DISTRIBUTOR. The costs you're familiar with don't apply to us.
That's The difference between 2 of us. You are in marketing I am a mechanic.

Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 8:52am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:
Uber drivers do 5,000miles in 4weeks. try again sir.
The scenerio I painted was my use pattern!!!

Assuming i am the only user in Nigeria!! 7 years!!! It has try now, I will place very minimum value on a 7 year old corolla,so I will still take the cheaper non Kazeem option.

With the 5,000miles per month, meaning I still got approximately 1 year to go
33,000 * 52 45weeks = 1,485,000

If you know you know grin grin grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks:
GAZZUZZ:
corrola is pending, let's get to the camry with the stripped bolt issue.

today I no go work and I have a lot of free time on my hands.

strip Bolt on a 2az engine fixed @ 110,000 instead of replacing.

What did you replace?

did you ensure client will not have to bother with oil burn issues in near future?

What was the cost break down?

Of course not, we'd rather the car catch fire! More work for us!

How about you start giving cost breakdowns of your repairs? And that wasn't a Camry
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 8:54am On Aug 25, 2018
oluwaseunla:
Ok. So the statement is for if this particular vehicle is yours. Not a general statement for a corolla rebuild right?
Exactly!!!
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by diportivo: 8:57am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:
How about you start giving breakdowns of your repairs? And that wasn't a Camry
are you new on cartalkhuh

welcome ma

but,

https://www.nairaland.com/4565273/uncle-heard-now-fix-ford

and so on and so forth grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 8:57am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:
That's The difference between 2 of us. You are in marketing I am a mechanic.

You're a mechanic but neither is me or my partner. I am a lot of things and don't forget that my partner is an ASE master tech of 35 years. Haven't needed him yet and I'm the reserve team not even the A team lol.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(op): 8:58am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:
How about you start giving breakdowns of your repairs? And that wasn't a Camry
It's a 2az-fe engine 2002-2004.

Now standard repair process would be to replace the short block and machine the head.

How did that happen under N113,000 with labour inclusive?

did you re-thread the worn block? wink

We like rebuilds too.

Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 8:59am On Aug 25, 2018
diportivo:
are you new on cartalkhuh

welcome ma

but,

https://www.nairaland.com/4565273/uncle-heard-now-fix-ford

and so on and so forth grin
I'm talking cost like he's asking from me dipo
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Inception(m): 9:00am On Aug 25, 2018
thebigkendo:
Using the above estimate, let's say approximately 300k + 35k labour + Gazzuzz mobil 1 warrantee = 330k
Aunty Radu rebuild +parts(engine oil, coolant, crankshaft, oil pump, bearing, gaskets etc) + 6month warrantee = 240k

Kazeem will probably do engine +labour +water in radiator = 180-200k with a week warrantee grin grin

330k - 240k = 90k
90k is alot of money mehn.. I will go with radautoworks mehn
300k is my confortable limit for engine life so with our assumed 250k miles on the corolla
I Still have 50k miles to go.. Which is like 2 - 3 years

Radautoworks for me..
Boils down to cost, value for money and CHOICE.

Some people take pride is ensuring that the car they drive still has its original engine and transmission. In that case even if the engine is worth 20k in Ladipo, they would not mind spending over 200k in fixing the original one.
Some people do not care about originality but want a very good engine in their vehicle that is low mileage . they want peace of mind.

Some people just want to keep managing the car like that grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:01am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:
It's a 2az-fe engine 2002-2004.

Now standard repair process would be to replace the short block and machine the head.

How did that happen under N113,000 with labour inclusive?

did you re-thread the worn block? wink

We like rebuilds too.

Would you like to talk to Glen so he can walk you through it grin? And yes, machining was part of it. As far as results and cost breakdown, you can ask the owner Pitokwe. While you're at it, ask him what kind of car it is cheesy
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(op): 9:02am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:
I'm taking cost like he's asking from me dipo
I'm open point to any repair process I have posted, Matthew 7:7
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 9:02am On Aug 25, 2018
Abeg cartalkers let's take it easy on aunty Radu, we would not want to make baby Radu come earlier than expected because of cartalk tension grin grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 9:04am On Aug 25, 2018
Inception:
Boils down to cost, value for money and CHOICE.

Some people take pride is ensuring that the car they drive still has its original engine and transmission. In that case even if the engine is worth 20k in Ladipo, they would not mind spending over 200k in fixing the original one.

Some people do not care about originality but want a very good engine in their vehicle that is low mileage . they want peace of mind.

Some people just want to keep managing the car like that grin
Bolded will not apply to any corolla in Nigeria!!! grin grin grin

The point to note is: let the choice/options be available for the customer.. Then customer chooses whichever he/she prefers.

In my breakdown.. Kazeem cheaper option was also available.. So it not really about the money.. VALUE!!!
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:06am On Aug 25, 2018
thebigkendo:
Abeg cartalkers let's take it easy on aunty Radu, we would not want to make baby Radu come earlier than expected because of cartalk tension grin grin
This one no be tension lol. If it was, I'd have called in the big gun already. This is a healthy debate. I keep telling them if they want to learn something new to come see at the shop but they won't take me up on it.

* in color purple voice "all my life I've had to fight" LMAO.

Do you know what it is like being female in male-dominated industries? This is the third one I'll get into and everyone wants to test you. That's why I learned to only talk when I'm sure and to STFU at all other times.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:07am On Aug 25, 2018
thebigkendo:
Bolded will not apply to any corolla in Nigeria!!! grin grin grin

The point to note is: let the choice/options be available for the customer.. Then customer chooses whichever he/she prefers
Thank you!
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(op): 9:08am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:
Would you like to talk to Glen so he can walk you through it grin? And yes, machining was part of it. As far as results, you can ask the owner Pitokwe.
Cartalk would be much more Fun if Glen Can talk to us, reminds me of sienna.

Well the point again in this camry repair process is, you went for the presented faults.

You made the engine replacement look like it was Evil.

Overheating solved yes.

Short block replaced No.

Piston rings replaced No.

Crankshaft oil seals replaced NO.

client is happy again for 6months.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 9:12am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:
Cartalk would be much more Fun if Glen Can talk to us, reminds me of sienna.

Well the point again in this camry repair process is, you went for the presented faults.

You made the engine replacement look like it was Evil.

Overheating solved yes.

Short block replaced No.

Piston rings replaced No.

Crankshaft oil seals replaced NO.

client is happy again for 6months.
Thanks God Pitokwe is a cartalker so am sure we will be informed if anythings goes wrong before or after warrantee period
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:17am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:
Cartalk would be much more Fun if Glen Can talk to us, reminds me of sienna.

Well the point again in this camry repair process is, you went for the presented faults.

You made the engine replacement look like it was Evil.

Overheating solved yes.

Short block replaced No.

Piston rings replaced No.

Crankshaft oil seals replaced NO.

client is happy again for 6months.
Such a strong word! I'm not sure how I made it look evil. You started this thread and we both presented our cases so....

Many people on Nairaland have talked to Glen. Look through the threads. If you want to go up against him, your funeral. I'm more your speed.

Again, I'm not sure where your are getting these symptoms because those weren't the problem when he came lol. You assume things A LOT.

Actually, I wasn't going to bring it up BUT from what I understand, YOU presented a replacement choice to the customer and we presented ours. He chose ours. We never spoke to him about a replacement because YOU already had so.... Also, not a Camry.
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