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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by citizenY(m): 9:37pm On Aug 25, 2018
gurnam:


It will simply be a miscarriage of justice if APC should reward igbos with it Presidential candidate in 2023 with their antagonistic behavior to the party


You are talking of the party. what of their antagonism to other people who are not card carrying members of any party, whose only sin is their preferences?

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by ObaIgwe1: 9:43pm On Aug 25, 2018
kaorama:


You don't deserve my attention cos you sound politically naive. Igbos have been associating with other tribes since independence but will not associate with a terrorist. For your information Igbos have had more productive political relationships with the North more than the south West have had or are having with the North. You ate talking about figures. Let me inform you that for evey 1 million registered voters in Lagos for instance, Igbos have over 400, 000. Igbos are in State Houses of Assembly in Kano and other non Igbo states. We will rule your family if we have democrats in power who obey simple human rights. Hope you are happy suffering and you have a lot of hungry mouths to feed. Igbos are proud not to associate with a nepotic leader like Buhari. Even at death he will be ruling you from the grave.

Lol... Throwing unverified figures as usual. Not only 400k out of 1million. Say 900k. cheesy

I was born and have lived most of my life in Lagos apart from some years I was out of the country, I can tell you for a FACT that apart from Amuwo Odofin and by extension to Ago-Okota, Igbos do not dominate any other part of Lagos. The fact that you have visited Ladipo and went to Trade Fair and Alaba does not mean you have seen 5% of Lagos....

Call me a slave from now till forever... Na your problem. Anybody can be anything and called anybody anything online... I know who I am.

Let me leave you to your chest beating and delusion as usual. Time will tell. Una never tired if marginalization song... Una just start.

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by boringnigerian: 9:54pm On Aug 25, 2018
atiku4President:

Some of you talk with no sense of history. Igbos attained political relevance earlier than any other tribe in Nigeria. Late Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe was a political god in the eyes of the colonial government. You know his antecedents. Dr. Alex Ekwueme who was an Igbo man had a privileged political relationship with all sections of the country and became VP. The north over the years had strong political relationship with Ignos more than any other section of the country. President Buhari had Igbos as running mates the first 2 or 3 times he ran for presidency. You have not asked yourself why
What happened in 2015 cannot be ideal in judging political alignments.The Igbos were deep into PDP with their 'adopted' son GEJ as President. If it were you, what would you do? Any political relation that exists now must not be seen as recipe for grasping and retaining power. Igbos are a hard nut to crack in every sense of life.

See how far back you had to reach? In the case of Dr. Azikiwe, you're talking about our late colonial to early independence history. The colonial masters, for all their faults, left pretty capable people in charge. Asides Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, we had Sir Tafawa Balewa and other more than capable hands at the helm of affairs so clearly, merit was a factor in picking leaders at that time. Even when Dr. Alex Ekwueme came around we were just phasing into the current Nigerian reality. In today's Nigeria however, all that is gone and you'd have to play your politics right to get power - and the Igbos aren't at the moment.

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Butoneday2(m): 10:20pm On Aug 25, 2018
MrJanuzaj:
SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit.

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine.

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'.

REWIND TO 2014.
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance.

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did.

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more.

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma.

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023?
On what grounds?
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone?
Is it an appeasement or a gift?

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested.

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game.

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

(c) Dr Uche Diala
Odi egwu. Talk is free
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by BlakKluKluxKlan(m): 10:41pm On Aug 25, 2018
Joevics:
The Op is a stupid slowspoke and definitely not an Igbo. Maybe an Ibo.
Go to south east and tell them this, maybe they would listen.
So, the south east should vote for buhari because they want 2023 presidency?
So he can continue killing them in the name of python dance?
So they can continue frustrating Igbo entrepreneurs?

The same Buhari that swiftly proscribed IPOB, when other countries see them as a social group, but refused to proscribe Fulani herdsmen, who are ranked third mosr deadly terrorist group?

Op, if you are Igbo, check well, yoi are a bastard, like Okoroawusa and his likes.


What's the difference between igbo and ibo ?
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by zinizta: 11:00pm On Aug 25, 2018
justtoodark:


we cant let them in this mindset...its too dangerous for all of us....

another cownunu could pop up and they will foolishly follow....

we have to continualy keep on talking sense into their heads....

i actually believe Igbos are responsible for the importation of the ammos seized... they are trying to walk their talk but as usual na suffer dey wait pikin wey talk say hin elders mouth dey smell...since they have no regard for elders...i heard Pa Emeka anyaoku was shouted down by a young moneybag at a communal meeting....they recognize and place priority on money over the wealth of wisdom and knowledge a veteran brings....


feeling sleepy jare...

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by lookingfly: 11:04pm On Aug 25, 2018
MrJanuzaj:
SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit.

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine.

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'.

REWIND TO 2014.
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance.

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did.

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more.

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma.

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023?
On what grounds?
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone?
Is it an appeasement or a gift?

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested.

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game.

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

(c) Dr Uche Diala
igbos should forget presidency as far as Nigeria is concerned.... Bubu is not reliable, he's only going to promise and fail the igbos. All he's doing is just to get the 5percent votes he claimed he never wanted.

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by frankdGreat125: 11:18pm On Aug 25, 2018
Is only God that will judge you the writer and Buhari + APC.
My question to u is that Igbo's never voted for the terrorist in 2015 YES . but you send your operation python dance to kill our brothers n sisters, you took away Nnamdi kanu.
what of them that voted him what happened.
Benue state he paid them back with herdsmen killings, peoples corps everywhere.
Borno , zamfara, platua, state etc bokoharam/ abduction of Dapchi schools girls continues
Do we easily forgot the only Christian school girl who was not released because of her Christian faith?.
Or do we talk about all the atrocities this APC Fulani party has done to human race?. Only time will tell.

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by justtoodark: 11:27pm On Aug 25, 2018
zinizta:


i actually believe Igbos are responsible for the importation of the ammos seized... they are trying to walk their talk but as usual na suffer dey wait pikin wey talk say hin elders mouth dey smell...since they have no regard for elders...i heard Pa Emeka anyaoku was shouted down by a young moneybag at a communal meeting....they recognize and place priority on money over the wealth of wisdom and knowledge a veteran brings....


feeling sleepy jare...

they cant win a war against nigeria no matter how they plan abroad....

nigerian army was desighned to fight against western nations from the start........

they are ridiculous....

wasting money of their followers upandan around the world....

good night ooo....

sleep well....

and dont let a ipobian bite you in your dreams....

kiiiikikikikikiki....

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by ameh99: 11:39pm On Aug 25, 2018
let me just kak here and be watching how your fellow brothers will call for your head.....




Keneth Okonkwo said the same thing......but what did he get?


when you attach emotions to business you fall short....if you know, you know...
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by pazienza(m): 11:42pm On Aug 25, 2018
"When Igbos want to vote for a Yoruba President, they do so because his party, personality, antecedents and current political stands appeal to them.
When they want to vote a Fulani President, same as above applies.

When they want to vote for an Ijaw President, the same measures apply.
However, when the idea of voting for an Igbo president appears on the horizon, we hear lines like :-
They must reach out to others.
They must build bridges.
They must accept others.
They must come together amongst themselves first(as if they're killing each other)
They must present one consensus candidate.
I didn't see Ijaw elders scanning the nooks and corners of Igboland trying to reach out before we accepted and voted Jonathan.

The Obas and Afeniferes weren't all over Igboland begging with kolanuts and alligator pepper before we voted Obasanjo.

The Emirs and the Imams from Hausa/Fulani land didn't invade Igboland in their numbers, holding symposia here and there before we voted Bashir Tofa and Umaru Musa Yar'adua in Presidential elections.

You see ehh...... If a man wants to beat a wife he detests, he could go as far as accusing her of making "one kind" eye to him in the dark or she failed to add palm oil to the ripe palm fruits she served him.
If you know, you know" :- Eric Uchenna Chimara

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Alexk2(m): 11:43pm On Aug 25, 2018
Mordecai:


Igboland shares borders with a large number if ethnic groups, Igala, Idoma, Isoko, Urhobo etc, all the way down to the SS.

But honestly, apart from online commentaries that talk of frictions between them, I am yet to see or hear of Igbos fighting with their SS neighbours on the ground. All we see is them living together, marrying one another and fetching water from the same streams.

As for our politicians, Amaechi, an Ikwerre would tell you he's Igbo. Patience Jonathan, though born Igbo was adopted and grew up an Okrika woman. GEJ, an Ijaw man bears an Igbo name. Peter Obi's wife is from Akwa Ibom, and throughout his eight years as Governor and his wife the first lady, it's as if that fact is nonexistent.

So do not tell us to conveniently "forget" a fact. We are not enemies with the SS. We might not agree on everything, but that's the point of politics, isn't it?
I think you're either distorting history or you just don't know well enough about the subject matter. Whatever it is, no offence. What do I know self. lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by pazienza(m): 11:45pm On Aug 25, 2018
Ndiigbo don't need Nigerian Presidency, only Igbo political jobbers desire such.
Anyone thinking they can woo Ndiigbo with useless things such as "Nigerian presidency", is naive and in immediate need of psychiatric examination.

We have been told that APC and Buhari don't need our votes to win, and we certainly agree. What we don't understand is this desperation for our 5% votes coming from APC and Buhari camp.

Everyone knows what the average Igbo man on the streets of Aba, Enugu, Onitsha, Awka, Umuahia, Orlu, Abakaliki, Okigwe, Owerri, Arochukwu, Nnewi, Ekwulobia, Umunze, Afikpo want. And it's not redundant presidency of a third world country with no future prospects.

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by justtoodark: 11:54pm On Aug 25, 2018
pazienza:
"When Igbos want to vote for a Yoruba President, they do so because his party, personality, antecedents and current political stands appeal to them.
When they want to vote a Fulani President, same as above applies.

When they want to vote for an Ijaw President, the same measures apply.
However, when the idea of voting for an Igbo president appears on the horizon, we hear lines like :-
They must reach out to others.
They must build bridges.
They must accept others.
They must come together amongst themselves first(as if they're killing each other)
They must present one consensus candidate.
I didn't see Ijaw elders scanning the nooks and corners of Igboland trying to reach out before we accepted and voted Jonathan.

The Obas and Afeniferes weren't all over Igboland begging with kolanuts and alligator pepper before we voted Obasanjo.

The Emirs and the Imams from Hausa/Fulani land didn't invade Igboland in their numbers, holding symposia here and there before we voted Bashir Tofa and Umaru Musa Yar'adua in Presidential elections.

You see ehh...... If a man wants to beat a wife he detests, he could go as far as accusing her of making "one kind" eye to him in the dark or she failed to add palm oil to the ripe palm fruits she served him.
If you know, you know" :- Eric Uchenna Chimara

i noticed this too....when it comes to politics,igbos are not that tribalistic....interesting.....
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by DozieInc(m): 12:27am On Aug 26, 2018
How would voting APC in 2019 guarantee Igbo presidency in 2023??

What has the APC government done to include Igbos?

What major project has been completed or started in the SE since 2015??

Has the Buhari administration been beneficial to the Igbos?

Does Tinubu harbour a personal ambition for 2023?

Honestly, the Buhari administration so far has confirmed the suspicions of most Igbos -he is not a nationalist and is a nepotic.
He seems too outdated to govern a complex and diverse country as Nigeria, his administration has failed woefully to deliver on his campaign promises.
The regions that voted massively for him (SW and The middle belt) have their fair share of disappointment in this administration.

Anyone that talks of voting Buhari come 2019 is either selfish and wicked or ignorant.
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by positivethought: 1:37am On Aug 26, 2018
Myjanuzaj:


APc are abiding by rotational presidency. If buhari finish it goes tovthe South, any of the Southern regions (read Sw, Se or Ss) can battle for it. After south it goes to the north any of NC, NE or NW can get it. Didnt you hear PDP telling Kwankwaso that they wont zone presidency to the NW where he hail from, they zoned it to all North. In 2023 APC will zone presidency to the South and Vice presidency to the NOrth, anybody from NC, NE or NW can get it. Nobody will zone it to SE alone you have to politic for it.
So if the Igbo's supports APC but the APC ends up loosing the elections in 2019 what would you say of them,well you people can go ahead n support APC if it ends well good if it back fires then you still blame yourselves, by the way y did you avoid the other parts of my comments in your response?
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by deomelo: 2:05am On Aug 26, 2018
DozieInc:
How would voting APC in 2019 guarantee Igbo presidency in 2023??

What has the APC government done to include Igbos?

What major project has been completed or started in the SE since 2015??

Has the Buhari administration been beneficial to the Igbos?


Does Tinubu harbour a personal ambition for 2023?

Honestly, the Buhari administration so far has confirmed the suspicions of most Igbos -he is not a nationalist and is a nepotic.
He seems too outdated to govern a complex and diverse country as Nigeria, his administration has failed woefully to deliver on his campaign promises.
The regions that voted massively for him (SW and The middle belt) have their fair share of disappointment in this administration.

Anyone that talks of voting Buhari come 2019 is either selfish and wicked or ignorant.


We know the current admin is working on a lot of projects in the SE including the 2nd NB that the PDP you followed for 16 years didn't bother to start and complete, but you are yet to ask yourself the same question

Why not ask yourself or even show yourself the projects the PDP started and completed in the SE less than 3 years from 1999-2003 and even within the 16 years they spent in office.

If you are going to ask silly questions, do it with a little common sense and intelligence.


You don't need any excuse to keep following the PDP, just keep following, self-destruction is your societal character anyways.


.
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by sexyanyabubakar(f): 4:02am On Aug 26, 2018
deomelo:



We know the current admin is working on a lot of projects in the SE including the 2nd NB that the PDP you followed for 16 years didn't bother to start and complete, but you are yet to ask yourself the same question

Why not ask yourself or even show yourself the projects the PDP started and completed in the SE less than 3 years from 1999-2003 and even within the 16 years they spent in office.

If you are going to ask silly questions, do it with a little common sense and intelligence.


You don't need any excuse to keep following the PDP, just keep following, self-destruction is your societal character anyways.


.



Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Afamed: 4:27am On Aug 26, 2018
Elliot2:
and what has ndigbo benefited frm ur useless kwantri since 1960? let's start from there.
But, you will claim Igbos are the most successful business men and women in Nigeria. Abi you have forgotten the Igbos are the ones that developed Lagos, Ogun, Rivers, Kano and Abuja. What else do you want?

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by marvinsync(m): 4:32am On Aug 26, 2018
MrJanuzaj:
SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit.

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine.

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'.

REWIND TO 2014.
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance.

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did.

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more.

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma.

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023?
On what grounds?
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone?
Is it an appeasement or a gift?

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested.

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game.

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

(c) Dr Uche Diala


wow guy , u deserve a bro hug ooh

too much sense!
no sarcasm!
just wow !

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Nobody: 4:57am On Aug 26, 2018
For your mind, you think TINUBU will let go APC and his presidential ambition?
OP you must be living in fools paradise. His wife Oluremi recently converted to Christianity. Have asked yourself why?

Let's tell you, she will either be contesting the gubernatorial seat in Lagos or become a deputy governor.
Politics in Nigeria is about interest and more so personal selfish interest.

I don't give a damn about who is president, all that matters now is that Buhari vacates the place for us. When we get to the bridge we shall cross it
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Petdagr8t(m): 5:14am On Aug 26, 2018
MrJanuzaj:
SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit.

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine.

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'.

REWIND TO 2014.
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance.

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did.

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more.

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma.

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023?
On what grounds?
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone?
Is it an appeasement or a gift?

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested.

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game.

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

(c) Dr Uche Diala
Get it right in your head bro, we are not after Igbo presidency, all we are after is restructuring which your grandfather Buhari said he doesn't know what it means. If Saraki can pave way for restructuring which I believes he can then to hell with your quest for Igbo presidency.
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Nobody: 5:39am On Aug 26, 2018
pazienza:
"When Igbos want to vote for a Yoruba President, they do so because his party, personality, antecedents and current political stands appeal to them.
When they want to vote a Fulani President, same as above applies.

When they want to vote for an Ijaw President, the same measures apply.
However, when the idea of voting for an Igbo president appears on the horizon, we hear lines like :-
They must reach out to others.
They must build bridges.
They must accept others.
They must come together amongst themselves first(as if they're killing each other)
They must present one consensus candidate.
I didn't see Ijaw elders scanning the nooks and corners of Igboland trying to reach out before we accepted and voted Jonathan.

The Obas and Afeniferes weren't all over Igboland begging with kolanuts and alligator pepper before we voted Obasanjo.

The Emirs and the Imams from Hausa/Fulani land didn't invade Igboland in their numbers, holding symposia here and there before we voted Bashir Tofa and Umaru Musa Yar'adua in Presidential elections.

You see ehh...... If a man wants to beat a wife he detests, he could go as far as accusing her of making "one kind" eye to him in the dark or she failed to add palm oil to the ripe palm fruits she served him.
If you know, you know" :- Eric Uchenna Chimara

Thanks for this post. The most disappointing thing to me is that some of our people fail to see through the different standards they set for the Igbo person. Very annoying!!! The Igbo is the only Nigerian expected to be a perfect human being. Other Nigerians can be stupid and behave in scandalous manner and still will be free of harsh scrutiny.

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Nobody: 6:37am On Aug 26, 2018
Joevics:
The Op is a stupid slowspoke and definitely not an Igbo. Maybe an Ibo.
Go to south east and tell them this, maybe they would listen.
So, the south east should vote for buhari because they want 2023 presidency?
So he can continue killing them in the name of python dance?
So they can continue frustrating Igbo entrepreneurs?

The same Buhari that swiftly proscribed IPOB, when other countries see them as a social group, but refused to proscribe Fulani herdsmen, who are ranked third mosr deadly terrorist group?

Op, if you are Igbo, check well, yoi are a bastard, like Okoroawusa and his likes.


Op, you replied almost all other comments except this one I just quoted.
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Daguccizgreat(m): 7:15am On Aug 26, 2018
Joevics:
The Op is a stupid slowspoke and definitely not an Igbo. Maybe an Ibo.
Go to south east and tell them this, maybe they would listen.
So, the south east should vote for buhari because they want 2023 presidency?
So he can continue killing them in the name of python dance?
So they can continue frustrating Igbo entrepreneurs?

The same Buhari that swiftly proscribed IPOB, when other countries see them as a social group, but refused to proscribe Fulani herdsmen, who are ranked third mosr deadly terrorist group?

Op, if you are Igbo, check well, yoi are a bastard, like Okoroawusa and his likes.
God bless you for the last paragraph
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Azam101: 7:16am On Aug 26, 2018
MrJanuzaj:
SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit.

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine.

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'.

REWIND TO 2014.
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance.

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did.

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more.

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma.

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023?
On what grounds?
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone?
Is it an appeasement or a gift?

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested.

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game.

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

(c) Dr Uche Diala
May Almighty God bless you and your families with these analysis.
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by keryj(f): 7:17am On Aug 26, 2018
Oga op, with all this well constructed grammer and good point you made. I need you to answer this question based on tribal and religious nature of Nigeria now. ( because that's what politics in Nigeria now is all about)

If APC should field an Igbo man as president (even with buhari campaining for him) and PDP brings out an Hausa man as president, who do u think will win?

Even if u r to lie to me in ur response, make sure u tell yourself the truth

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Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Azam101: 7:20am On Aug 26, 2018
Joevics:
The Op is a stupid slowspoke and definitely not an Igbo. Maybe an Ibo.
Go to south east and tell them this, maybe they would listen.
So, the south east should vote for buhari because they want 2023 presidency?
So he can continue killing them in the name of python dance?
So they can continue frustrating Igbo entrepreneurs?

The same Buhari that swiftly proscribed IPOB, when other countries see them as a social group, but refused to proscribe Fulani herdsmen, who are ranked third mosr deadly terrorist group?

Op, if you are Igbo, check well, yoi are a bastard, like Okoroawusa and his likes.
Must you insult his personality? You lack parental love.
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by Azam101: 7:35am On Aug 26, 2018
Juliusmalema:


And what did the OP said that is meaningful?
you lack comprehension skills.
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by DozieInc(m): 7:57am On Aug 26, 2018
deomelo:



We know the current admin is working on a lot of projects in the SE including the 2nd NB that the PDP you followed for 16 years didn't bother to start and complete, but you are yet to ask yourself the same question

Why not ask yourself or even show yourself the projects the PDP started and completed in the SE less than 3 years from 1999-2003 and even within the 16 years they spent in office.

If you are going to ask silly questions, do it with a little common sense and intelligence.


You don't need any excuse to keep following the PDP, just keep following, self-destruction is your societal character anyways.


.




The current administration is a national disaster... which Niger bridge??, the one seen only in pictures?, maybe the projects are too big to be seen or They are spiritual projects.
They say questions exposes deception... you are just spewing the usual lies.

I know you are working really hard to defend your pay masters... but that shouldn't excuse stupidity.

Give Igbos and Nigerians one legitimate reason to re-elect Buhari.

How would voting Buhar in 2019 ensure Igbo presidency in 2023?
Re: "The Truth About Igbo Presidency: Senator Saraki Playing On Our Intelligence" by olaolaking: 8:00am On Aug 26, 2018
mightguy:
Nonsense. Must every body support apc?.. What ave apc done for the igbos.. Do you think igbos will get presidency through apc? If u think the igbo voting for Buhari will give them presidency then u are a fuull.
But Pdp for 16 years never gave you presidency. Not even a vice. And they are not ready to give you the chance now. All their strong candidates are not Ibo. You people are very poor in politics. But you will not accept it so that you can make the necessary ammendments.

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