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Ugosample:
I agree 100 % with you on this one.
A!lot of Nigerians are psychologically transducer due to the sufferings and all.

Even tho they don't admit it, it's true

Almost 95% of Nigerans need psychiatric help due to the trauma they suffered while they were kids and what most Nigerians dont realise is that the way u treat a child can affect that child for the rest of their lives. I think this is one of the main reasons why most of our politicians are so greedy and selfishe because they've been so messed up in the head when they were nobody that when they come to power, they'll make sure everyone pays for their struggle and suffering

My thots,

A Medical Professionals career starts with being idealistic and as desired patriotic to the Hippo Oath.
What changes however is the environment in which Medicine is being practiced in Nigeria. As stated earier
Government's concerns are too numerous to commit required resources to needy sector. The treatment
meted out to Health is the same meted out to Education.

Which is where the private sector comes in. However the main concern of the Nigerian entrepreneur is a fast
break even and profit potential is uppermost, which is why many businesses die within two years of inception.

The doctors originally cited for impatience may have acted out of two possible motives - to attend to a long queue
of patients within time allotted without exhausting him(her) self, or because he had quantified what his time was
worth and didn't think any patient deserved more than that.

Whichever motive is paramount, it still remains a fact that money plays a great role and Governments can not be
left with the responsibility to ensure a system built on Quality control and assurance.

More money is needed for the system and i believe that the role of Health Insurance (Managed Care) is essential
in creating a pool of funds that can drive the system.

Pls read through this:

https://www.nairaland.com/4701669/value-health-insurance

Diamond360:


from my experience, private doctors and nurses are the worse, especially those in the average hospitals. very cruel and unsympathetic

Very true....& so incompetent.

eleojo23:
Actually, doctors need to tell the patients what they are suffering from and the possible causes of their sickness so that they can avoid those causes in the future if possible.
In fact, telling the patient about his disease will ensure proper compliance with treatment plans/recommendations.

And the attitude thing is a major problem. There are still good ones though

But one thing doctors must realise is that every patient that comes to them is not just an inferior human being just because they are sick. Those patients are also professionals in their own field and should be treated with some respect. No one exists in isolation. We all form part of the society and each individual no matter his field, is needed to keep the society functioning.

God Bless you sir. You made a lot of sense here.

yemmy75:
Go to where you can get the type of medical services you want... And be ready to pay for it

Is it about being expensive?

Did you not see @nnekaike post where she talked about her hospital being all big and expensive yet don't deliver on quality services?
That will even make it more painful.

Caseless:
where are you? Nowhere can be far if it's about your health.

I'm in Abia State at the moment.

tensazangetsu20:
Continue abusing them . Soon enough you won't have anymore doctors as the new graduating ones are all leaving

Ok sir.

eleojo23:
What you see in the hospital is a typical representation of the failed Nigerian system.

These same doctors behave well in other countries.

You are right. And they are valued because of that. Unlike the way they behave here & how little we value them.

ednut1:
But when they go abroad dem go nice . I remember my encounter with a 9ja doc in birmingham. Nigeria is a zoo

It's because those people there won't take the crap we take from them here. People know their rights there. Here we don't even have let alone knowing them.

Baroba:
The funny thing is you don't see them displaying this kind of arrogance when they travel out, I know a Doctor who told me in Nigeria he can experiment, walk someone out of his clinic but his hands are tied in Europe..

It only takes one of these English no nonsense Nurses to get them stuck off it they try that nonsense here.. Na straight reporting one time, before you know it you are facing the GMC..

Exactly! Those people there won't take the crap we take from them here.

eendy:
Having gone through your post, it's sad most of what you mentioned up there turns out to be true... The Nigerian system lacks a structure and the medical profession is not left out, it's sad the art of clearking and examining a patient is really dying so patients are at the receiving end.
Unfortunately the average Nigerian doctor is arrogant but then there are some you encounter ... You get better even before taking your meds.
it's not likely to change anytime soon anyway but then we only home the next generation turns out to be better.
mind you am a doctor.

Thank you sir for your input.

Afam4eva:
A lot of Nigerian doctors are so full of themselves. They just want to prescribe drugs or whatever it is, for you without actualy telling you what is wrong you. When you ask, they shut you down like you're asking too many questions. I had a medical problems for years and after moving from Fderal Medical center, LASUTH and a couple of private hospitals, i just decided to heal myself instead. In the government hospitals, it takes a lot of time to really get anything done. I went for consultation, the doctor talked to me rudely and consequently directed me to the Endocrine department and those ones gave me an appointment to come back in 3 months time. I couldn't wait.

Reddington and a couple of other high end hospitals were only interested in collecting my money. Just speaking with a doctor for 5 minutes will deduct 30k for your account and they make sure that they tell you to come back for follow up consultation thereby bleeding your account without profering any solution.

Other cheaper hospitals only know about Malaria and Typhoid. Infact, they should just change the names of their hospital to "Malaria and Typhoid center" instead of hospital. Even after carrying out a test in Clinix (one of the best dignostic centers), the doctor said i should go and redo the test but this time in a diagnostic center that he owns or co-owns.

O boy, no time to waste time. I just decided to do my own research on google based on my symtoms and i'm getting better.

Hmmmm....you captured everything about the medical centres in Nigeria oh so succinctly.

From the government hospitals, to the average private hospitals to the very expensive ones, they are practically all the same: incompetence!

A very rich friend recently took his sister to all these expensive hospitals in Abuja. Money spent just on tests alone was clocking close to 500k.
The tests included bone marrow test. In between the tests, they were giving her pints and pints of blood cos she was losing blood a lot. Funny thing is, as at the last time I spoke to the guy like a month ago, there has been no specific diagnosis. It's still "come back for more tests" which definitely translates to " come back so we can take more money from you". So crazy!

What about me? The ear pain in one ear I went to treat few days ago now transferred to the other ear with excrutiating pains just two days after treatment on both ears.

MissJoy29:
I'm in Abia State at the moment.

Not too far. From aba, you could get bus to Kaduna. Stand at tower in umuahia, you'd get direct bus to Kaduna. The peace mass in umuahia connects Abuja too, from here you could connect Kaduna via train. The abia transport park connects Kaduna/Abuja.

It's all up to you.

chigoizie7:
oga u are not alone .

Nigerian doctors are the most useless set of people after the law enforcement agents and the politicians.

IN a General hospital, a patient was operated on, CS brought back to the ward, after some time, she started experiencing pains, severe pains, she called the doctor, it took the useless thing ages to appear, and when she did, on asking her patient what the matter was, her phone rang, she picked it right before her patient, was on call for minutes, laughing like a slowpoke while speaking to whoever it is, realizing that she was shouting while laughing, she left the ward to do her gisting while her patient who was in pains was waiting to tell her what she wanted to tell her, to my surprised she left after the call, only to return hours later to ask, eehn, madam, what type ofmpains did u say u were experiencing?

In that same hospital, out of their carelessness, she lost the baby, because another fool of a doctor wasn't patient enough to read what the chief cunsultant wrote.


I have had so many encounters with Nigerian doctors that I had to out of annoance shouted at a doctor and told him why they are so useless to the society at large, later called me to ask why I felt that way, I told him my many encounters with so many of them, and he didn't deny it, only telling me it is just few and not all.

The reason is because no body is regulating that profession, how can a doctor be working in a gov't hospital, where he or she is paid and at the same time running a private hospital?

U have morning shift in a teaching hospital, then u also have patients whom u must see in the morning , examine them and see how they are. Or someone brought an accident patient into your private hospital, But u were at the public hospital doing another job, is that not insane? Then u are called that u have a patient, u will abandon those at the public hospital for ur private, and then a patient is brought to u to take care of at the public hospital, how is that taken care of?


And then , those in authority, will turn a blind eye to it, because all of them are guilty of same thing.

The Nigerian medical authorities knew about all these, but they will keep their mouths shut.

Hmmmm....@bolded, they are keeping their mouth shut because they are doing some thing the people they are supposed to be regulating are doing. Which means, they have to be blameless and not guilty in order to tackle the issue you raised. Otherwise, the doctors won't listen to them.

MissJoy29:
Hmmmm....@bolded, they are keeping their mouth shut because they are doing some thing the people they are supposed to be regulating are doing. Which means, they have to be blameless and not guilty in order to tackle the issue you raised. Otherwise, the doctors won't listen to them.

That's true

Caseless:
Not too far. From aba, you could get bus to Kaduna. Stand at tower in umuahia, you'd get direct bus to Kaduna. The peace mass in umuahia connects Abuja too, from here you could connect Kaduna via train. The abia transport park connects Kaduna/Abuja.

It's all up to you.

It's not as easy as that but I will see what I can do. Thanks a lot.

IZIBLAZE4JESUS:
Being a health practitioner myself, i can say most of what you said up there are true having also passed through some nonchalant attitude of some Nurses (in particular ). However u must also try to view thibgs from The Doctors point of view. Most hospitals are understaffed, un equipped and unfit for top services as compared to those outside the country. This doesn't give room for any lackadaisical attitude bt it sure foes have an effect on the Health workers too

I agree with you. I know they don't have a lot to work with. I sometimes try to put myself in their shoes. The saddest thing is that the patient is in the middle of this whole wahala. And we are also the ones with the least blame. So not fair.

babajeje123:
Stop intimidating us by saying they will leave. Let them leave for all I care. The truth is that many Nigerian doctors are proud and expect people to lick their asses because they spend donkey years in school.

True.

eyinjuege:
If you need someone to talk to, get a therapist.
If you want a Dr to spend as much time with you, it's best you go to a good private hospital. They will give you your money's worth.
When you go to a government hospital, their clinic time runs strictly on schedule. They cannot afford to stay longer than necessary in clinic as they have other responsibilities in the hospital. They still have their ward patients to look after, they have presentations to present to their peers and to also learn. Even abroad, you will be lucky if you get 15minutes with your Dr, except in countries like the US/Canada where you actually pay for the time or your insurance pays. Unlike other countries in Europe where their healthcare is almost free.
In clinic, there are hundreds of patients waiting to see them, and you aren't the only one. I'm sure if the patient before you stays too long, you will still complain. and when its your own turn, you won't want to leave on time too. We all know once the time for clinic is over, they will leave. Do you want other patients after you not to be seen?

Ok now that I saw them in one minute & my ailment became worse , what do I do?

You think private hospitals give money's worth? You think I havent been there? Read up, you will also hear the experiences of others who patronised them, even the very expensive ones.

emperor94:
I have to say Ma, I'm very disappointed by this opinion of yours much so because I just lost someone very dear to me due mainly to doctors' incompetence. At the end of the day they still charged close to 1M on top person wey dem no save oo. I pray you don't have an experience such as mine... Finally, my guess is that you are in the Medical field.

I'm sorry for your loss.

@bolded, she probably is.

Stallion93:
The government is the cause, Imagine a country where doctors go on strike, NMA and Johesu are always at war for no rational cause, mind u even CMDs in those hospitals go abroad for sneezing. That's why it's not particular to just 1 hospital, when smth gets global then the central Power is at fault, plz direct your grievance to the government. And those doctors that attend to u can't wait to leave this Shiithole

Of course they go abroad for sneezing because they know how incompetent some of the doctors they manage are.

Merryglad:
I went to general hospital that should be may 5th how can i forget, i had a severe stomach ache. There i was was pouring my pain out to the doctor, only for him to ask me whats paining you inside the stomach? I said i dont know sir and he said why do you think i know.?

Lol....he was probably just trying to lighten the mood. Sorry.

Mizk:
Doctors should be able to listen to your problems, tell you the cause of your problems, how to prevent it and treat it, the OP is right, but we're in a country where money is valued more than human life, I once had an incident with a standing fan, it cut me so deep i was bleeding profusely,

I was taken to the hospital by my older bro who had only 5k on him, since i was loosing so much blood it is supposed to be an emergency situation, but these so called lazy auxiliary nurses asked me to wait in the reception with my bleeding hand, i was feeling cold and dizzy, after what seemed like 30mins of constant yelling from my bro, they agreed to attend to me, could you believe they requested for 10k deposit? My bro urged them to take 5k and start treatment so he can use the ATM or my parents can pay because they're on the way, they adamantly refused, my bro was pacing thinking of what to do before the doc stepped in and he accosted the doc, made him see reasons before he agreed they should proceed with treatment.

Imagine! Smh.

Thank God for your life though.

NoToPile:
It's a Nigerian thing.

An average Nigerian takes advantage of any one they seem to have a little edge over its mostly the young newbie docs that have this arrogant egoistic attitude anyway. All the doctors I have seen that have this attitude are still the ones at the lower part of the ladder still building up.

The one that wanted to burst my water during labor was rash, removed his gloves hastily and shouted that he will leave me for 4hours simply because I said he should let me calm down for some seconds before he did the stuff, I was stiff I needed to calm down, a senior doc came in asked what happened and then said calmly it won't pain, that infact he would do it for me all I heared was pim and I didn't even feel anything except the trickle of water.

Those consultants, attend to patients better and with professionalism, you ask questions they will answer you nicely. I guess experience has a lot to do in this. I have had a prof attend to my son at a teaching hospital and the experience was quite different, nice attitude despite the fact that he's elderly, listens to your talk and answers all your questions and it reflected on the other doctors working with him too.


All in all the ultimate is not to have anything to do with hospitals except when necessary (childbirth etc) especially govt hospitals.

@bolded, the humane doctor I talked about is also elderly. Though not too old. Maybe that's a factor. Coupled with experience like you said.

In all, sound health all the time should be our Prayer so we don't have these encounters regularly.

cosmatika:
Having gone through ur post, these re my deductions;
1. U re wat we call " difficult patients ". U already have bad mind for Drs, so no matter wat they do for u, u ll still not be satisfied.
2. Ur type of person reads rubbish on Google b4 going to d hospital. So u get there and start asking rubbish questions. And if I must tell u, Drs hate it wen u come to d hospital to tell dem ur diagnosis. Since u already know d diagnosis, go and treat urslef.
3. U must know dat u re not d only one dat has a problem. D Dr u re consulting may have a bigger problem than urs. So don't go to d hospital to frustrate him with ur life.
4. U re not d only one waiting to see a Dr. U shud know we re short staffed in Nigeria in terms of Drs. So don't expect d Dr to waste the whole day seeing only u.
5. U or ur close relation must have been frustrated from studying medicine, so we understand ur vernom against Drs


NB- I'm a Dr. I've had a lot of patients commend me for my patience, depth of knowledge and how I lecture dem abt their ailment, but ITKs like u don't find it funny with me. U re in d hospital to consult a Dr and not for a lecture. I can't take all d MBBS and professional exams, den u ll still come to quiz me like I'm in a viva

@bolded, you don't need to tell me. I know. That's the only reason you will spew out the unverified, hateful & irrelevant thrash you just did. So immature, shameless, disappointing & unprofessional of you. I'm not surprised though. Shame on you Dr.
Shame on you.

Your colleagues above (with same slanted mindset as you) are saying I should have used Google instead of going to the hospital in the first place or at least use it to carry out diagnosis myself instead of asking the doctor "irrelevant" questions while you are here now saying I used(even over-used) Google first before going to see the doctor. You see how confused you lots are?

If care is not taken, you may even be the arrogant, self-centered, hard hearted doctor with no single drop of milk of human kindness in him that I saw last week. And oh, I forgot incompetent because he made my ailment worse. Never experienced this kind before.
Thanks for the insults though.

Please note, I won't belittle myself by replying you next time.

MissJoy29:
You have made some valid points.

I know it's not the fault of the doctor that the hospitals are under staffed and they have to see a lot of patients than they can handle but it's also certainly not the fault of the patients and it won't be fair to take out the frustrations on them even though I know the tendency to do that is there. The doctor is there to make the patient feel better not worse.

Btw, you want to report a medical doctor? To whom? The hospital management? Where will you even find them because it's likely no one will point the "management" to you as they want to protect their own. Even if they do, what will happen? This is Nigeria for goodness sake!

Again, the time spent with doctors that I'm talking about is not gisting time. You don't need the whole day to explain to the patient what is wrong, the causes, prevention and subsequently, treatment. I have the right to that information as a patient & anything other than that is unprofessional. Some nurses don't even know the name of the injection they are giving you. You ask, they ask you why you didn't ask the doctor. You get the chance to ask the doctor, they ask you why you want to know. Isn't the most important thing getting healed? Like seriously!

I want us to be objective here. My post wasn't made to attack anyone. It's to find out why things are the way they are.

The ones that are in our power to do, let's do it well.
Thank you.

From your first post down the line till this one, you made a truck load of sense. I couldn't agree more. All the instances that you have enumerated here are ugly experiences that I have had from our supposed professional caregivers, both Doctors and Nurses. It is like a highly contagious disease that has affected the majority of Nigerian doctors/Nurses practicing in Nigeria.

Do not pay heed to those saying otherwise, they mostly lack objectivity and are not in any way at the receiving end of this anomaly.

MissJoy29:
Of course they go abroad for sneezing because they know how incompetent some of the doctors they manage are.

Perhaps you're right....,Or perhaps they're just scared of going through the same thing u went through or even worse because they know they are guilty of the terrible welfare of those doctors.

MissJoy29:
@bolded, you don't need to tell me. I know. That's the only reason you will spew out the unverified, hateful & irrelevant thrash you just did. So immature, shameless, disappointing & unprofessional of you. I'm not surprised though. Shame on you Dr.
Shame on you.

Your colleagues above (with same slanted mindset as you) are saying I should have used Google instead of going to the hospital in the first place or at least use it to carry out diagnosis myself instead of asking the doctor "irrelevant" questions while you are here now saying I used(even over-used) Google first before going to see the doctor. You see how confused you lots are?

If care is not taken, you may even be the arrogant, self-centered, hard hearted doctor with no single drop of milk of human kindness in him that I saw last week. And oh, I forgot incompetent because he made my ailment worse. Never experienced this kind before.
Thanks for the insults though.

Please note, I won't belittle myself by replying you next time.

After insulting me u telling me thanks for d insult? Screw u dere. U shouldn't expect a solution for ppl u ve already declared that u font have trust in, that's y a patient is called a patient. That we re Drs doesn't mean we came to dis world to die for u. We re humans too. So if u insult me, I give it to u back

Any sane doc will give you the basic info you need. Going deeper into the pathogenesis like the OP seem to be after is not necessary because trying to simplify that is like another exam itself.
Going to the doctor with your diagnosis will cause bias in your answer to questions and you tend to get irritated when the questions asked are not what you expect. It is good to be informed as a patient but allow the doctors do their jobs.

It is not far fetched why consultants and profs seem to be nicer. The House officers and residents work round the clock and still have to study for exams, presentstions and improve their data base. They also have families to take care of. The last person he prays to meet is a stubborn patient.

Stallion93:
Perhaps you're right....,Or perhaps they're just scared of going through the same thing u went through or even worse because they know they are guilty of the terrible welfare of those doctors.

Exactly! True.

Jascon4:
From your first post down the line till this one, you made a truck load of sense. I couldn't agree more. All the instances that you have enumerated here are ugly experiences that I have had from our supposed professional caregivers, both Doctors and Nurses. It is like a highly contagious disease that has affected the majority of Nigerian doctors/Nurses practicing in Nigeria.

Do not pay heed to those saying otherwise, they mostly lack objectivity and are not in any way at the receiving end of this anomaly.

Thanks.

@bolded, you are right. That's the thing.

MissJoy29:
Hmmmm....you captured everything about the medical centres in Nigeria oh so succinctly.

From the government hospitals, to the average private hospitals to the very expensive ones, they are practically all the same: incompetence!

A very rich friend recently took his sister to all these expensive hospitals in Abuja. Money spent just on tests alone was clocking close to 500k.
The tests included bone marrow test. In between the tests, they were giving her pints and pints of blood cos she was losing blood a lot. Funny thing is, as at the last time I spoke to the guy like a month ago, there has been no specific diagnosis. It's still "come back for more tests" which definitely translates to " come back so we can take more money from you". So crazy!

What about me? The ear pain in one ear I went to treat few days ago now transferred to the other ear with excrutiating pains just two days after treatment on both ears.

docs re not all knowing . there are some situations we run out of ideas and comming up with a diagnosis may not be instant nd may require sending for further tests, sharing with colleagues and consulting other academic mediums. there are even cases one may not even b able to come up with a diagnosis even after al these. knowledge is continually acquired and experiences teaches us aswell.