Stanchem:


Maybe Jesus alone is not enough for them

That is the point.

donnie:


All this epistle is just so you can worship the woman you folks have tried to elevate to the status of God almighty... or even higher.

You don't worship them, you only bow down to them, and kneel before them, and kiss their feet, and offer prayers to them. Okay, continu

Please, can you ask him whether they have the second commandment that forbids the bowing down and worship of graven images in their Roman catholic bibles?

solite3:



intercession in heaven is for only Christ Jesus.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Way to go!

sonmvayina:


Yes, worship yourself and I God will emerge..

That is the same sin as worshipping and bowing down to a graven image. It is called the sin of Idolatry.

Ubenedictus:


actually I don't need any other, Truth is I can pray all alone, every day, but the Christianity Jesus Christ the mediator established, isn't just personal, it is also communal.

so even though I can pray alone , ( and I do that most often) I love and cherish praying in the company of other believers.

I know I can approach the throne of grace with Jesus the mediator standing for me... (it is good and I do it often), I also enjoy approaching the throne of grace with the mediator and members of his body....


it is not either/or, it is both/and.

So you don't think Jesus alone is enough.

Ubenedictus:


1. not a single one of the passages you quoted said the saints can't intercede in heaven, in fact not one of them is relevant to the point.

2. of course there are physically dead people before men, not before God not in the spirit.

Luke 20:38
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living,
for to him all are alive."

How are you sure that Mary did not die before her spirit went to heaven.

UbiPetrus:


That portion of Scripture (Luke 20:38) is too deep for his understanding.

Bear with him.

If you say Mary is alive with God in heaven what happened to her physical body?

OLAADEGBU:


Don't confuse the counterfeit with the original.

The real deal will be to worship the creator of the universe not her son.... Don't you think so?

One thing you guys fail to grasp is that Christianity came first before the Bible, the church was existing before the Bible ever came to be...
The council of Nicea established the church in 325AD while the Bible in its present form was deliberated upon in 1553 at the council of trent... After so many rewriting and editing...

sonmvayina:


The real deal will be to worship the creator of the universe not her son.... Don't you think so?

Who created the universe if not the Son?

sonmvayina:


One thing you guys fail to grasp is that Christianity came first before the Bible, the church was existing before the Bible ever came to be...

When was the first 39 books of the Bible written?

sonmvayina:


The council of Nicea established the church in 325AD while the Bible in its present form was deliberated upon in 1553 at the council of trent... After so many rewriting and editing...

This is where you atheists get confused. It was the Roman catholic church that was established in 325 AD and all its dogmas as from then on. Don't confuse this with the universal Church which was bought by the blood of Jesus Christ.

OLAADEGBU:


Who created the universe if not the Son?

The son in this case is Lord Marduk, the son on Enki... He is the lugal dimmer ankia.. Which means the divine king of heaven and earth..

The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about marduk... Marduk is the original Christ prototype...

OLAADEGBU:


When was the first 39 books of the Bible written?

The 39 old testament books and much more belongs to the jews, it is for Judaism. They wrote it for their religion.. According to them prophesy ended on the death of the last prophet, that would be zechariah if I am not mistaken... They were looking forward to a glorious and peaceful future.. Which the messiah will usher in, no more wars and oppression..

When the Romans formed Christianity like 1000 years later, they took the jewish scriptures, removed some books they don't like and added theirs at the end of it.. Just to sell the idea that their investment demi God was the awaited messiah... And deceive the masses..
The jews knows that God is Not a MAN.. Number23 :19..and worshipping a God created in the image of a man is tantamount to idolatry.. And punishable with death...

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1. not a single one of the passages you quoted said the saints can't intercede in heaven, in fact not one of them is relevant to the point.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

2. of course there are [b]physically dead people [/b]before men, not before God not in the spirit.

Luke 20:38
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living,
for to him all are alive."

@bold what was your argument about. The bible says they are dead, they have no business with you.

They are with God till the resurrection and not the apparition.

1 Thessalonians 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

sonmvayina:


The 39 old testament books and much more belongs to the jews, it is for Judaism. They wrote it for their religion.. According to them prophesy ended on the death of the last prophet, that would be zechariah if I am not mistaken... They were looking forward to a glorious and peaceful future.. Which the messiah will usher in, no more wars and oppression..

The 27 books of the New Testament was all built on the 39 books of the OT. There is difference between the first 39 books and the Jewish Torah. The Old Testament is Jesus concealed while the New Testament is Jesus revealed.

sonmvayina:


When the Romans formed Christianity like 1000 years later, they took the jewish scriptures, removed some books they don't like and added theirs at the end of it.. Just to sell the idea that their investment demi God was the awaited messiah... And deceive the masses..
The jews knows that God is Not a MAN.. Number23 :19..and worshipping a God created in the image of a man is tantamount to idolatry.. And punishable with death...

You will keep confusing yourself if you continue to put Christianity in the place of the Roman catholic church, they are not the same. Do you know when the first 39 books were written? Don't dabble into what you are ignorant of.

OLAADEGBU:


Why do you have Jesus hanging on the Cross, don't you believe that He is no longer nailed to the Cross?

I got that from apostle Paul.


I preach Christ and him crucified a
stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to
Gentiles, 1 cor


For I resolved to know nothing while I was with
you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

1 cor 2:2

he is risen and I believe it but in his crucifixion I see the maximum expression of God love and power

[quote author=Ubenedictus post=70718014] I got that from apostle Paul.


I preach Christ and him crucified a
stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to
Gentiles, 1 cor


For I resolved to know nothing while I was with
you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

1 cor 2:2

he is risen and I believe it but in his crucifixion I see the maximum expression of God love and power[/quot)is that rosary prayer "hail holy queen " biblical..... your church the catholic church has ascribed to Mary roles the Bible did not give her.....

doyinbaby:
is that rosary prayer "hail holy queen " biblical..... your church the catholic church has ascribed to Mary roles the Bible did not give her.....

that is because the hail holy queen prayer is composed like a poem not doctrine, much of what is there is correct doctrinal, others are flowery language a citizen will use to address his Queen or a son will use in addressing his mother.

solite3:
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1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;



@bold what was your argument about. The bible says they are dead, they have no business with you.

They are with God till the resurrection and not the apparition.

1 Thessalonians 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1. amen Jesus is the one mediator, and through him all the members of his body has the right to make Intercession.


2. actually for God they are all alive and in Christ I am connect to them.

OLAADEGBU:


Rather, you enjoy praying to the cloud of many witnesses instead of praying to the One and Only God.

no dear, I enjoy praying to the one true God with the cloud of many witness

Ubenedictus:



1. amen Jesus is the one mediator, and through him all the members of his body has the right to make Intercession.


2. actually for God they are all alive and in Christ I am connect to them.

good to know there is no mediatrix anywhere and Jesus Is The only mediator. so no dead saint can interceed for you.

I agree that the saints are alive to God but not to you, to you they are dead and remain so till Christ come.


so those apparitions appearing to people who are they?


so you are connected to all the saints in what way pls clarify,?

solite3:

good to know there is no mediatrix anywhere and Jesus Is The only mediator. so no dead saint can interceed for you.

as usual you've got it wrong, there is but one mediator between God and man and out of his fullness all who are members of his body has received grace upon grace and a participation in him.

all who are member of his church are now intercessors, every single Christian is now in Christ a mediator/mediatrix for his fellow man. so every saint can intercede for me.

I agree that the saints are alive to God but not to you, to you they are dead and remain so till Christ come.


so those apparitions appearing to people who are they?


so you are connected to all the saints in what way pls clarify,?

we are connected to the saints as members of Christ, we are all members of his body, in him we all have fellowship.

Colossians 1:20
and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:


Jesus is the connection between the saints in heaven and those on earth, we are all united in him and form one body.


more interestingly when we worship here on earth we do so in the complex of the saints not just alone or with only the physically alive.


heb 12:22

Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly
Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels 23 in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the judge of all men, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,…

Ubenedictus:

as usual you've got it wrong, there is but one mediator between God and man and out of his fullness all who are members of his body has received grace upon grace and a participation in him.


all who are member of his church are now intercessors, every single Christian is now in Christ a mediator/mediatrix for his fellow man. so every saint can intercede for me.

where did you get that one from@ bold

Jesus is the connection between the saints in heaven and those on earth, we are all united in him and form one body.

in what way/s is Jesus the connection between the saints on earth and those in heaven?

more interestingly when we worship here on earth we do so in the complex of the saints not just alone or with only the physically alive.


heb 12:22

Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly
Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels 23 in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the judge of all men, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,….

@ bold what do you understand by the word worship?

it is not about quoting scripture it is the accurate interpretation that matters,

how did Christians come to mount zion?

yes

OLAADEGBU:


And you worship yourself, no?

Ubenedictus:
that is because the hail holy queen prayer is composed like a poem not doctrine, much of what is there is correct doctrinal, others are flowery language a citizen will use to address his Queen or a son will use in addressing his mother.

hail holy queen is sin....a poem that ascribed to what all those.... open your eyes...you are blinded ......

LoL! See how religion makes a mockery of men. Grown arse men and women arguing which interpretation of a fairytale is the correct one.SMH.

So this una god cannot tell you unequivocally what is correct? LMFAO!

doyinbaby:
hail holy queen is sin....a poem that ascribed to what all those.... open your eyes...you are blinded ......

No not a sin, an intercession written like a poem, same way a son would address his mum

Ubenedictus:


I got that from apostle Paul.


I preach Christ and him crucified a
stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to
Gentiles, 1 cor


For I resolved to know nothing while I was with
you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

1 cor 2:2

he is risen and I believe it but in his crucifixion I see the maximum expression of God love and power

Where did you see or read Paul hanging the crucifix on his neck or bowing before it?

OLAADEGBU:


Where did you see or read Paul hanging the crucifix on his neck or bowing before it?

Learn how to apply biblical principles



1 Kings 6:29
...carved engravings of cherubim, palm trees, and open flowers.

2 Chronicles 3:7
He overlaid its beams, thresholds, walls, and doors with gold, and he carved cherubim on the walls.

Ezekiel 41:18
were alternating carved cherubim and palm trees. Each cherub had two faces:


Finally, look at Colossians 3:2-3

2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.



The old was based on cherubs and angels, the people of God happily had them around, the new is based on Jesus crucified, we happily have that symbol too around.

Ubenedictus:


Learn how to apply biblical principles



1 Kings 6:29
...carved engravings of cherubim, palm trees, and open flowers.

2 Chronicles 3:7
He overlaid its beams, thresholds, walls, and doors with gold, and he carved cherubim on the walls.

Ezekiel 41:18
were alternating carved cherubim and palm trees. Each cherub had two faces:


Finally, look at Colossians 3:2-3

2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.



The old was based on cherubs and angels, the people of God happily had them around, the new is based on Jesus crucified, we happily have that symbol too around.

The New did not end with Jesus being crucified, He died, rose, ascended up to heaven and is coming back again.

OLAADEGBU:


The New did not end with Jesus being crucified, He died, rose, ascended up to heaven and is coming back again.

he ascended and yet we still preach Christ and him crucified, folly to the Jews and scandal to olaadegbu