enilove:


It is not about what I have been taught. It is what I know .

The thief repented and was granted grace to make heaven. That was his last chance. As for you and for me , we have the same grace to repent and stay holy.

Galatians 6:7-8 KJV
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
[8] For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

HOW DOES ONE SOW TO THE FLESH?


Galatians 5:16-21 KJV
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[18] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

NO SINNER CAN MAKE HEAVEN :

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

JESUS made this cleared to us that it is not confessing of faith alone but faith and righteousness :

Matthew 7:21-22 KJV
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

ONE CANNOT PROPHESIED IN THE NAME IF JESUS WITHOUT HAVING FAITH IN HIM. FAITH THAT CAN CAST OUT DEVILS AND PERFORM MIRACLES IS NOT ENOUGH , AS LONG AS THERE IS SIN IN THAT LIFE , HE CAN'T MAKE HEAVEN :

Matthew 7:23 KJV
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Na wah for you o!

You said one needs faith and works of righteousness to make heaven, but surprisingly you said the thief only used grace to make heaven. Doesn't that contradict your stance?

You just keep quoting verses upon verses without understanding them. Those sins you listed are sins under the law. But before God, the thing he considers sin is rejection of Jesus Christ. When you commit all those sins you listed, you commit them in the flesh and are punished in the flesh. But your spirit is denied heaven when you also include the rejection of Jesus.

You quoted Mathew 7:21-23 without even knowing that it is actually against what you stand for.

Those people wanted to enter heaven on the basis of the works they did. They did good works, yet they were denied entry into heaven Why? Because they did not acknowledge Jesus. They were never saved.

According to you, if one is saved but goes about sinning again, such a person will lose his salvation. Going by your stance, those people were "saved" at some point in time but lost their salvation. If they were saved at some point in time, how come Jesus said he NEVER knew them?

If they were once saved, would he say he NEVER knew them? Won't it be "I use to know you but not anymore because you lost your salvation"?

Those people were never saved because they were trusting on works, that's why they were reeling out the good works they did. You my brother are not saved because you are depending on WORKS of righteousness to save you instead of grace.


Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

We are saved by grace, not by any of our doing other than just believe in Jesus. That's why that theif got saved. He simply believed in Jesus while the other thief rejected and mocked Jesus.

alBHAGDADI:


Na wah for you o!

You said one needs faith and works of righteousness to make heaven, but surprisingly you said the thief only used grace to make heaven. Doesn't that contradict your stance?

You just keep quoting verses upon verses without understanding them. Those sins you listed are sins under the law. But before God, the thing he considers sin is rejection of Jesus Christ. When you commit all those sins you listed, you commit them in the flesh and are punished in the flesh. But your spirit is denied heaven when you also include the rejection of Jesus.

You quoted Mathew 7:21-23 without even knowing that it is actually against what you stand for.

Those people wanted to enter heaven on the basis of the works they did. They did good works, yet they were denied entry into heaven Why? Because they did not acknowledge Jesus. They were never saved.

According to you, if one is saved but goes about sinning again, such a person will lose his salvation. Going by your stance, those people were "saved" at some point in time but lost their salvation. If they were saved at some point in time, how come Jesus said he NEVER knew them?

If they were once saved, would he say he NEVER knew them? Won't it be "I use to know you but not anymore because you lost your salvation"?

Those people were never saved because they were trusting on works, that's why they were reeling out the good works they did. You my brother are not saved because you are depending on WORKS of righteousness to save you instead of grace.


Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

We are saved by grace, not by any of our doing other than just believe in Jesus. That's why that theif got saved. He simply believed in Jesus while the other thief rejected and mocked Jesus.

What does it mean to be born again?

enilove:


Your good conscience cannot save you as long as you a not worshipping the TRUE GOD.

Islam is idolatry in disguise.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 23:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman:

I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." (2.158)

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:
Bukhari :
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:
"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

IT IS IDOLATRY TO WORSHIP STONE :

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 661:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:

We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja' added: When the Prophet sent with (Allah's) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab.

You are not Jesus and that's the good news.

People who are not Christians will make heaven if by the dictates of their good conscience obey the laws of God.

Christians who have same mindset as you won't.

alBHAGDADI:


To believe in Jesus is to believe he is the Son of God who died for your sins so that you may have everlasting life.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 5:10-11

He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Believing in Jesus/God does not stop with what you say with your mouth.

Believing in Jesus/God is a demonstration of the faith you received...

Your faith is seen in your actions not in just your words

Erikthered:


Believing in Jesus/God does not stop with what you say with your mouth.

Believing in Jesus/God is a demonstration of the faith you received...

Your faith is seen in your actions not in just your words

The Bible never included works of faith as what is needed for salvation. You are the one inserting that in. The Bible only says one should believe in his heart and confess with his mouth and he shall be saved. It doesn't include works.

Romans 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Erikthered:


You are not Jesus and that's the good news.

People who are not Christians will make heaven if by the dictates of their good conscience obey the laws of God.

Christians who have same mindset as you won't.

You don't understand spiritual things.

Jesus is the only way to eternal life in paradise, any other way is destruction and hell.

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

You either enter through that "strait" or "tiny" gate that leads to heaven or the WIDE GATE that leads to hell.
This tiny gate , only FEW go through it.

There are only two gates. The two gates do not lead to heaven only one does.

Jesus is the gate :

John 14:6 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Teaser4:
which heaven. Una no go stop fooling yourself...religion na fantasy. heaven KO hell ni...

thank you jare. let them know!

enilove:

Matthew 7:22-23 KJV
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that WORK INIQUITY.

let me ask you a simple question and i need a sincere answer from you without any contradiction.

Was there anything like christianity on earth as at the time jesus made this statement in matthew 7:22-23 you just quoted?

If the answer is no, who were then the many he was talking about?
Were they christians?

paxonel:
let me ask you a simple question and i need a sincere answer from you without any contradiction.

Was there anything like christianity on earth as at the time jesus made this statement in matthew 7:22-23 you just quoted?

If the answer is no, who were then the many he was talking about?
Were they christians?

There were no Christians then.

The "many" he was referring to are the Christians who are workers of iniquities .

What is your point?

alBHAGDADI:
The Bible never included works of faith as what is needed for salvation. You are the one inserting that in. The Bible only says one should believe in his heart and confess with his mouth and he shall be saved. It doesn't include works.

Romans 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Chris Oyahkilome student.

Keep deceiving yourself

Erikthered:


Chris Oyahkilome student.

Keep deceiving yourself

I'm not his student neither do I like him.

Well, I can see that you couldn't provide any biblical backing for your argument

enilove:


You don't understand spiritual things.

Jesus is the only way to eternal life in paradise, any other way is destruction and hell.

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

You either enter through that "strait" or "tiny" gate that leads to heaven or the WIDE GATE that leads to hell.
This tiny gate , only FEW go through it.

There are only two gates. The two gates do not lead to heaven only one does.

Jesus is the gate :

John 14:6 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Prof. of spiritual things

If my great grand father who wasn't a Christian out of no fault of his, obey God's laws according to the dictates of his good conscience, he will make heaven

It's a pity you think that the heaven party is is selected from among Christians.

You can be a "born again Christian", have a Bible and call Jesus from now till eternity and you won't make heaven if you don't obey God's laws.

If you don't know this simple thing, I wonder why you think you know spiritual things better than the next person.

paxonel:
let me ask you a simple question and i need a sincere answer from you without any contradiction.

Was there anything like christianity on earth as at the time jesus made this statement in matthew 7:22-23 you just quoted?

If the answer is no, who were then the many he was talking about?
Were they christians?

Don't waste your time with him concerning Mathew 7:22-23 which is one of the verses they use to say one can lose his salvation. I've already explained it to him above, which he couldn't reply to because the passage actually stands against their argument. Please scroll up.

enilove:


There were no Christians then.

very correct

The "many" he was referring to are the christians

what?
But you just said there were no christians, thats contradictive ;

Erikthered:


Prof. of spiritual things

If my great grand father who wasn't a Christian out of no fault of his, obey God's laws according to the dictates of his good conscience, he will make heaven

It's a pity you think that the heaven party is is selected from among Christians.

You can be a "born again Christian", have a Bible and call Jesus from now till eternity and you won't make heaven if you don't obey God's laws.

If you don't know this simple thing, I wonder why you think you know spiritual things better than the next person.

Did your great grand father go to heaven when he died ?

Did you not know that your grand father inherited the sins of his ancestors who might have been idolaters?

Don't you also know that it is impossible not to commit any sin from ones birth till death ?

Even father Abraham and all those who died b4 the death of Jesus did not go to heaven , how much more our ancestors who were worshipers of idols .

alBHAGDADI:


I'm not his student neither do I like him.

Well, I can see that you couldn't provide any biblical backing for your argument

No point doing that. You are wired not to believe whatever I will post here from the way you dish out posts here.

But for the benefit of doubt I will drop you just one verse, just one... There you will easily see how people make or not make heaven. I call that verse, the heaven's scorecard

Matthew 25:31-46

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

alBHAGDADI:
Don't waste your time with him concerning Mathew 7:22-23 which is one of the verses they use to say one can lose his salvation. I've already explained it to him above, which he couldn't reply to because the passage actually stands against their argument. Please scroll up.

you are right my bro

paxonel:
very correct
what?
But you just said there were no christians ;

Only Christians cast out demons in the name of Jesus.

Before Jesus came there were no Christians , but from the beginning of his ministry , Christianity started . Although they were not yet called Christians then , they were mainly known as disciples or followers of him ( Jesus ).

Erikthered:


No point doing that. You are wired not to believe whatever I will post here from the way you dish out posts here.

But for the benefit of doubt I will drop you just one verse, just one... There you will easily see how people make or not make heaven. I call that verse, the heaven's scorecard

Matthew 25:31-46

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Can you please explain this passage and how it goes in line with our discussion?

enilove:


Only Christians cast out demons in the name of Jesus.

Before Jesus came there were no Christians , but from the beginning of his ministry , Christianity started . Although they were not yet called Christians then , they were mainly known as disciples or followers of him ( Jesus ).

and that period was described as the days of john the baptist(because john the baptist was not yet killed) yes or no?

I'm asking you this simple questions because i want to prove a point to you.

Were the disciples called christians during the days of john the baptist before jesus was crucified, yes or no?

If no, at what point did the christian faith started on earth?

alBHAGDADI:
Don't waste your time with him concerning Mathew 7:22-23 which is one of the verses they use to say one can lose his salvation. I've already explained it to him above, which he couldn't reply to because the passage actually stands against their argument. Please scroll up.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "HE COULDN'T REPLY TO...?

I ASKED YOU WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BORN AGAIN AND YOU REFUSED TO ANSWER.

IF YOU THINK SINNERS WOULD MAKE HEAVEN because THEY ARE CHRISTIANS , YOU A JOKING.

Mathew 7 : 22- 23 is glaring for everyone to see.

Since you decided not to answer my question the other time , let me ask you another question :

Would a liar make heaven ?

enilove:


WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "HE COULDN'T REPLY TO...?

I ASKED YOU WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BORN AGAIN AND YOU REFUSED TO ANSWER.

IF YOU THINK SINNERS WOULD MAKE HEAVEN because THEY ARE CHRISTIANS , YOU A JOKING.

Mathew 7 : 22- 23 is glaring for everyone to see.

Since you decided not to answer my question the other time , let me ask you another question :

Would a liar make heaven ?

You can't reply lengthy post by asking a question, even a question which is common knowledge.

If truly you can answer my post, go back and address it.

As for your question "would a liar make heaven?".

Let me borrow your style.

Would a thief make heaven? If no, then how come the one crucified with Jesus made heaven?

A liar is a sinner likewise a thief. But a thief made heaven according to the Bible. Shouldn't that tell you that a liar too can make heaven if he toes the path the thief took which is Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth and the life?

paxonel:
and that period was described as the days of john the baptist(because john the baptist was not yet killed) yes or no?

I'm asking you this simple questions because i want to prove a point to you.

Were the disciples called christians during the days of john the baptist before jesus was crucified, yes or no?

If no, at what point did the christian faith started on earth?

Christian faith started from the time Jesus started preaching the gospel.

Immediately Jesus started his ministry , the ministry of John the Baptist ended.

John the Baptist said in :
John 3:28-30 KJV
Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
[29] He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
[30] He must increase, but I must decrease.

If my reply does not correspond to your questions , let me know .

alBHAGDADI:


Can you please explain this passage and how it goes in line with our discussion?

Trying to show you that a faith which is alive is that which is demonstrated... In the chapter above, you can see clearly what the son of man/the king based his selection from.

The people who practiced their faith/believe are those who made it into heaven (sheep) note sheep represents obedience.

Remember this verse Matt 7:21?

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Many Christians will not make heaven if they fail to demonstrate their faith that is obey the law of God/will of God/follow Jesus

Following Jesus is a practical thing. He was both a spiritual and a practical man so emulating him is what following him connotes.

If you like believe that Jesus died for you, Jesus is the son of God etc and fail to live a life according to the dictates of the law of God/Jesus, you will not make heaven.

Working out your salvation is a practical thing

alBHAGDADI:
You can't reply lengthy post by asking a question, even a question which is common knowledge.

If truly you can answer my post, go back and address it.

As for your question "would a liar make heaven?".

Let me borrow your style.

Would a thief make heaven? If no, then how come the one crucified with Jesus made heaven?

A liar is a sinner likewise a thief. But a thief made heaven according to the Bible. Shouldn't that tell you that a liar too can make heaven if he toes the path the thief took which is Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth and the life?

When you ask for forgiveness , God can forgive you and may not forgive one.
That man crucified along with Jesus was no longer a thief , he was forgiven . If he had another opportunity to live , Jesus would have told him, " sin no more " , like he told the woman caught in the act of adultery.

You are wrong ,Jesus told us in the Bible that no liar will make heaven unless he repents :

Revelation 21:8 KJV
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the SECOND DEATH.

What is this revelation 21 : 8 above means? That all Christians will make heaven?

Don't let anyone deceive you , no unrighteous person will go to heaven.

enilove:


Christian faith started from the time Jesus started preaching the gospel.

this is wrong!

if the christian faith started from the time jesus started preaching the gospel, was there anyone saved at that time?

The answer is no.

Salvation started after jesus resurrected.meaning,without resurrection there is no salvation.

This means that christianity as a faith commences after the resurrection of jesus, that there were no christians until jesus resurrected, that non of jesus disciples were christians until jesus resurrected, talkless of the pharisees.

Therefore it is very incorrect to say that jesus was referring to christians in matthew 7:22-23.
The truth is, he was referring to the jews and pharisees as the MANY

What you should know is that, any scriptures from matthew mark luke and john were never recorded during the christian era.

When you want to talk about the christian faith, it starts from the book of acts of the apostles(the day of pentecost) down to revelation which marks the era after the death and resurrection of christ.

If you have never understood it to this point, you will just simply find yourself deceiving people as today nigerian pastors are currently doing, all of them.

paxonel:
this is wrong!

if the christian faith started from the time jesus started preaching the gospel, was there anyone saved at that time?

The answer is no.

Salvation started after jesus resurrected.meaning,without resurrection there is no salvation.

This means that christianity as a faith commences after the resurrection of jesus, that there were no christians until jesus resurrected, that non of jesus disciples were christians until jesus resurrected, talkless of the pharisees.

Therefore it is very incorrect to say that jesus was referring to christians in matthew 7:22-23.
The truth is, he was referring to the jews and pharisees as the MANY

What you should know is that, any scriptures from matthew mark luke and john were never recorded during the christian era.

When want to talk about the christian faith, it starts from the book of acts of the apostles(the day of pentecost) down to revelation which marks the era after the death and resurrection of christ.

If you have never understood it to this point, you will just simply find yourself deceiving people as today nigerian pastors are currently doing, all of them.

You are not only wrong , but TOO WRONG AND SO WRONG.

Is Christianity different from the gospel of Jesus Christ ?

Matthew 4:23 KJV
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Is Christianity not the continuation of the gospel Jesus started?

If the below scriptures are not for Christians , who are they meant for ?
Matthew 7:22-23 KJV

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

enilove:



When you ask for forgiveness , God can forgive you and may not forgive one.
That man crucified along with Jesus was no longer a thief , he was forgiven . If he had another opportunity to live , Jesus would have told him, " sin no more " , like he told the woman caught in the act of adultery.

You are wrong ,Jesus told us in the Bible that no liar will make heaven unless he repents :

Revelation 21:8 KJV
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the SECOND DEATH.

What is this revelation 21 : 8 above means? That all Christians will make heaven?

Don't let anyone deceive you , no unrighteous person will go to heaven.

Did that thief ask for forgiveness? No.

Did he BELIEVE Jesus is the messiah and has a kingdom? Yes, that's why he ask for Jesus to remember him in his kingdom. He simply BELIEVED, that's why he was saved. Nowhere is it written that he asked for forgiveness and was forgiven.

You just listed so many sins, yet you do not know that a human being cannot live without committing sin. No one is righteous.

Roman's 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Now, if you say righteousness is a must for salvation, then no one will be saved according to the verse above. We all sin and are sinners, but are saved by grace alone, not of ourselves or any thing we did other than believe in Jesus.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Can you now see that not sinning is not what gets you saved. Your salvation is a gift from God.

Erikthered:


Trying to show you that a faith which is alive is that which is demonstrated... In the chapter above, you can see clearly what the son of man/the king based his selection from.

The people who practiced their faith/believe are those who made it into heaven (sheep) note sheep represents obedience.

Remember this verse Matt 7:21?

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Many Christians will not make heaven if they fail to demonstrate their faith that is obey the law of God/will of God/follow Jesus

Following Jesus is a practical thing. He was both a spiritual and a practical man so emulating him is what following him connotes.

If you like believe that Jesus died for you, Jesus is the son of God etc and fail to live a life according to the dictates of the law of God/Jesus, you will not make heaven.

Working out your salvation is a practical thing

You just quoted two verses without understanding their meaning.

For Mathew 7:21, plus scroll up to see how I explained it.

Now, for your last sentence, it doesn't mean we should save ourselves. When you go to the gym, what is it you say you are doing? You are working out your muscles which are inside of you. You want them to be more pronounced that's why you worked them out. When people see those muscles, they get motivated to go to the gym too.

God has already worked salvation in us, he now wants us to work it out by showing its fruits by living a godly life. This doesn't mean it is what will get us saved, because God already saved us, He just wants us to show that we have been saved by living a good life so that others can get touched by our conduct and become saved too.


Philippians 2:12-13

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

alBHAGDADI:
Did that thief ask for forgiveness? No.

Did he BELIEVE Jesus is the messiah and has a kingdom? Yes, that's why he ask for Jesus to remember him in his kingdom. He simply BELIEVED, that's why he was saved. Nowhere is it written that he asked for forgiveness and was forgiven.

You just listed so many sins, yet you do not know that a human being cannot live without committing sin. No one is righteous.

Roman's 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Now, if you say righteousness is a must for salvation, then no one will be saved according to the verse above. We all sin and are sinners, but are saved by grace alone, not of ourselves or any thing we did other than believe in Jesus.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Can you now see that not sinning is not what gets you saved. Your salvation is a gift from God.

Meaning , Jesus did not know that it is by faith?

Faith with good works of righteousness is what a christian needs :

James 2:20-26 KJV
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25] Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH without WORKS IS DEAD ALSO.

Please , stop this argument , no sinner can make heaven.

The Romans 3 is not for believers in Christ but for the Jews who b4 Jesus came :
Romans 3:9-13 KJV
What then? are we better than they ? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
[10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
[11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
[12] They (not we ) are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
[13] THEIR throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under THEIR lips:

So , stop quoting scpritures out of context. If you had read it from the beginning , you would have known the condition and the true meaning of that verse and what it means.

enilove:


Meaning , Jesus did not know that it is by faith?

Faith with good works of righteousness is what a christian needs :

James 2:20-26 KJV
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25] Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH without WORKS IS DEAD ALSO.

Please , stop this argument , no sinner can make heaven.

The Romans 3 is not for believers in Christ but for the Jews who b4 Jesus came :
Romans 3:9-13 KJV
What then? are we better than they ? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
[10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
[11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
[12] They (not we ) are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
[13] THEIR throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under THEIR lips:

So , stop quoting scpritures out of context. If you had read it from the beginning , you would have known the condition and the true meaning of that verse and what it means.

You are getting me angry because you are the one guilty of what you accuse me of, which is quoting out of context.

Faith without works is dead, but does that mean there is no faith there? No, it is only saying that the faith is not active because the person is not showing it through works. Abraham showed his by going ahead to sacrifice Isaac.

You have been making it seem like those who sin are not righteous. But what did the Bible count as righteousness in Abraham's case? He was counted righteous because he BELIEVED in God.

Where is it written in Roman's chapter event that the passage is talking about jews? You even dubiously out words in parenthesis to prove your claim which the Bible didn't do. You did that just to say the passage which says "no one is righteous" to mean it is about the jews before Jesus time. If no Jew was righteous before Jesus came, how come the chapter in James which you quoted above says Abraham was counted righteous? Can you now see your flaw and that you are the one quoting scripture wrongly?

enilove:


Meaning , Jesus did not know that it is by faith?

Faith with good works of righteousness is what a christian needs :

James 2:20-26 KJV
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25] Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH without WORKS IS DEAD ALSO.

Please , stop this argument , no sinner can make heaven.

The Romans 3 is not for believers in Christ but for the Jews who b4 Jesus came :
Romans 3:9-13 KJV
What then? are we better than they ? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
[10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
[11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
[12] They (not we ) are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
[13] THEIR throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under THEIR lips:

So , stop quoting scpritures out of context. If you had read it from the beginning , you would have known the condition and the true meaning of that verse and what it means.

You are getting me angry because you are the one guilty of what you accuse me of, which is quoting out of context.

Faith without works is dead, but does that mean there is no faith there? No, it is only saying that the faith is not active because the person is not showing it through works. Abraham showed his by going ahead to sacrifice Isaac.

You have been making it seem like those who sin are not righteous. But what did the Bible count as righteousness in Abraham's case? He was counted righteous because he BELIEVED in God.

Where is it written in Romans chapter 3 that the passage is talking about jews? You even dubiously added the bolded words in parenthesis to prove your claim which the Bible didn't do. You did that just to say the passage which says "no one is righteous" is about the jews before Jesus time.

If no Jew was righteous before Jesus came, how come the chapter in James which you quoted above says Abraham was counted righteous? Can you now see your flaw and that you are the one quoting scripture wrongly?