₦airaland Forum

konoplyanka:
The thread is about a leader who people respect and see as a point of reference. Tinubu does not determine who leads anywhere in SW. Just a figment of your imagination. Foolishness is ingrained in your DNA. Osu fool.

Look sons of fallen Ife demon, the brown roof republic are highly gullible.
Imagine, one idiot deciding to remove the best serving Governor, just because he doesn't serve his interest.
Imposing another puppet after raking Osun state, with lots of unpaid salaries.

konoplyanka:
Things they tell you in your erosion region to make you happy. wake up and smell the coffee of your backwardness.

pulling out fake stats is your stock in trade.

I'm telling you cos I'm more travelled than you're obviously are..
Yorubas are the least travelled people on Earth and yet they're very quick to compose the least of the most developed states. Crappy!!

See beyond your nose you ignorant

konoplyanka:
Lol. Go to Ibadan and Osun and see pipe borne water. besides, they are govt projects. People have bore holes now.

Lmao!!!!!!!!!! Boreholes

Boreholes were resorted to because of the failure of governments to provide pipeborne water. Do people use boreholes in the civilised world?

Few homes in Ilesa in Osun managed to get pipeborne water in 2013 thanks to President Jonathan not jagaban. Who jagaban epp

konoplyanka:
You love nothing. You dont even love yourselves. You love ojukwu but voted an hausa over him. Biafra is borne out of hatred. Hate is the only thing that unites ibos. That's why kanu championed biafra through hate speeches.

We don't love ourselves, but through Brotherly aid we've emerged with the highest number of entrepreneurs in Nigeria. We don't love ourselves, but we observed a sit at home without compulsion, we are the only zone to give block vote of 90% to Jonathan.

We won't support any politician in Nigeria, whether Igbo or Hausa.

konoplyanka:
Read you dumb assh0le.

Mynd44 abi Mynd 44 this young girl just broke Rule 2

Kindly deal with this

Lol. To see how daft this ewedu moose are. Their only joy is producing a spineless vp who is now doing the job meant for commissioners. Jagaban indeed. All thieves.

Pavore9:
You would serve as a good case study for personality disorders.

jeez...

On point.
dat concept is strange 2d SE. dey make dia choices as challenges demand. d emirate model aint workable in SE

what is the meaning of jagaban??

bash8936:
This ibo people no get sense at all. They can all talk through their anus ehn..
First in Yoruba Land we are not ethnocentric( muslim or Christian, Lagos, Ogun, OYO, osun, Ondo,ekiti) we are one... Being first class or last class doesn't matter here..So far you're progressive minded, we see ourselves as brothers once you speak the language Yoruba even if you're an Igbo man.
Our politics is progressive. so once you have based your life on the progress of the Yoruba nation then you can be a leader.
Awolowo introduce free education and it impacted a lot he became the leader.
Tinubu is respective in southwest because he has always have the eyes to pick technocrats into leadership positions for the progress of the Yoruba nation ( Fashola, Amosun, Fowler, obanikoro, aregbeshola, akeredolu, abike-dabiri, gbajabiamila, osinbajo, ambode, adeosun, Pedro, femi adeshina e.t.c) ask yourself why did Obasanjo that even became president of Nigeria, doesn't have so much influence it's because he's not investing in human development like Tinubu. ask yourself as an Igbo man based in Lagos has any tinubu policy affected you negatively before, the answer is No. Which region is the most peaceful and secured in the whole country? Ans is south-western Nigeria because any global event or leader that comes into Nigeria will want to visit south-western states first. Tinubu may be corrupt but all politicians in Nigeria are, but he had successfully brought up people and developed them into successful people. Continue wailing About Yoruba and Jagaban Leadership in southwest. Don't forget Lagos state is building another international airport and a refinery and an Atlantic city and an international metroline railway and Ogun state has just open the largest Brewery in West Africa, Osun and other states will follow when all this development materialize....Ask yourself what has igboland gained without leadership or mentorship(acephalous system or decentralised)? answer is unnecessary deaths, bitterness, hatred, shortchanging, floods and underdevelopment...Don't forget over 30% of the Igbo population are in states control by Tinubu and ask yourself why is that?
God bless Jagaban( The lion of burdillion)....We respect him so much because he's impacted so much than he's damaged, without him we will just be having little little thief's and Lords up and down and everywhere will be scattered just like our brothers from east. No hope and direction... That's what happened to a nation without a leader. the

Proud to be an Afonja Anyday, anywhere the best tribe in Nigeria by far.

Yadayada. Blah, blah, blah. Na smoke you dey yarn. No substance.

Mostyour baseless claims don't merit a reply. Just to ignore you to wallow in your delusions.

But let's be honest about Obj. He isn't worshipped a lot in the SW cos he has a more national and broader approach to politics and Nigeria as a whole. He's the most detribalised SWesterner we all know. He doesn't do regional politics.

But Yorubas like 'Tinwa-tinwa' leaders. Someone that will say 'This is our party ooo.' 'This is Yoruba party'. 'This is Afenifere'. Aha, that's the party and person they will follow. They don't do real national parties. Technically, APC is not a real national party.

The average Yoruba want to follow anyone they believe protect and promote their ethnic interest. That's the difference between Obj and Tinubu. Like Tinubu, Buhari is also an ethnocentric leader. So, 2 ethnocentric leaders combined to float a false national party, APC which is in fact just 2 regional parties - ACN (SW) and CPC (NE) coming together. That's the main reason other regions reject APC.

Obj will rather be in a PDP, which was formed as a national party and had leaders from every region - from Ciroma to Ekwueme to Lar. But from AD to AC to ACN, Tinubu is all about protecting his SW kingdom. Buhari only took him to the center.

ezenwajosh:
It is impossible in south east.....because we have minds of our own....2nd reason is because most of our population are independent of government money.....so one man can't just buy the population by giving them 4cups of rice and tell them who to vote.....unlike in EWEDU REPUBLIC WE DONT DO JAGAGBAM

This guy!
This guy off me.

We don't have time for peanut loyalty.

lionness:
Unlike Yoruba land, there are too many jagbabans in ibo land. Orji...Obi...to Okorocha...everyone holding their forte, each person reserving the spot for inlaws, cousins, friends and brothers. Over there, it's a family dynasty. More like a heirloom and inheritance thing. The dirties and filthiest politics known in the textbook. Religious blackmail and tribal-centric political war. And it's so ironic that the ibos hate tinubu so much when their own politicians are far worse and downright scummy and terrible. I just think the entire SE hatred on the SW is just a self-reflection thing. Nnamdi Kanu could have been the uniting force, the true Jagaban, but the guy was too shallow to know how powerful he'd have become in an election period and had gotten his handlers to destroy him too soon. I hope they discover someone who can unite them.

you need to reason without sentiment for u to know that Yorubas are the real haters of Igbos, it's in their blood and home training to hate Igbos. Igbos learn to hate Yorubas as a reaction to their hatred on Igbos period.

nku5:
Due to the Republican nature of the Igbo it impossible to have a jagaban type political leader. Totally impossible. The nearest we have come is Zik

Why do you guys like deceiving yourselves about so called "republican nature"

Anyone old enough to remmber knows that Zik commanded 100% loyalty among the Ibos he picked the two Ibo governors in 1979 Nwobodo and Mbakwe and controlled their votes totally

With Regard to republican nature. The ibos are not more republican than any group in southern Nigeria

The fundamental thing is that the Ibos have always worshipped money and it is only rich people who can achieve the status of "titled men who ruled the tiny villages in which they have always existed.

The Ibos had not evolved to the level of organization of anything bigger than village government before they were colonized and so talking about republicanism among villagers is just self flattery.

What is the biggest town that existed in Iboland before they were colonized?

There is nothing republican about Ibos. Theyy are indeed very autocratic if given a chance. An Ibo governor once took an opponent
to government house to have him flogged
It is very common for powerful Ibos to commission the flogging of weaker Ibos for social infractions to this day

Generally this lack of evolvement is evident in the chaotic and unruly organization of their affairs.
Lack of discipline is not the same thing as republicanism.
Republicanism by definition will eschew slavery and the Ibos kept slaves just like their neighbours. Republicanism implies every one had a say in public affairs equally but in Iboland the culture is that the poor shut up even if they are elders when the rich speak.
Nothing republican about that
What are the institutions of this republicanism . How was traditional Ibo society governed? Did they have elections?

Ike Ekwere mmadu and Senator Enyinnaya Abaribe. Those men are Superbp

AlhajaChinyere:
The wuruwuru rebellious, disorderly, jagajaga, criminal nature of the igbos will never allow a 'jaganban' to emerge in that premitive land.

Imagine Obi of Onitcha is a British created fake monarchy.

That's why their gods are pursuing them away from the harsh gully land.

4 INSULTING D SCARED CROWN OF THE OBI OF ONITSHA, MAY U NEVA C ANYTHING GOOD UNTIL U COME BACK N APOLOGIZE FOR UR IRRESPONSIBILITY.

konoplyanka:
But they could have nnmadi kanu who was not elected and collects money from them and impose levy on them. selling fake passport and fake money to them? Demanding them to worship at his feet.

Nnamdi Kanu is not a political leader. Nnamdi Kanu has nothing to do with the politics of Nigeria. The Jagaban we are talking about is a political leader. So what has Nnamdi Kanu got to do with this issue when Nnamdi Kanu isn't into politics?

I don't understand how some people reason, diverting from what the thread is about because they have nothing sensible to say

0monnak0da:
Why do you guys like deceiving yourselves about so called "republican nature"

Anyone old enough to remmber knows that Zik commanded 100% loyalty among the Ibos he picked the two Ibo governors in 1979 Nwobodo and Mbakwe and controlled their votes totally

With Regard to republican nature. The ibos are not more republican than any group in southern Nigeria

The fundamental thing is that the Ibos have always worshipped money and it is only rich people who can achieve the status of "titled men who ruled the tiny villages in which they have always existed.

The Ibos had not evolved to the level of organization of anything bigger than village government before they were colonized and so talking about republicanism among villagers is just self flattery.

What is the biggest town that existed in Iboland before they were colonized?

There is nothing republican about Ibos. Theyy are indeed very autocratic if given a chance. An Ibo governor once took an opponent
to government house to have him flogged
It is very common for powerful Ibos to commission the flogging of weaker Ibos for social infractions to this day

Generally this lack of evolvement is evident in the chaotic and unruly organization of their affairs.
Lack of discipline is not the same thing as republicanism.
Republicanism by definition will eschew slavery and the Ibos kept slaves just like their neighbours. Republicanism implies every one had a say in public affairs equally but in Iboland the culture is that the poor shut up even if they are elders when the rich speak.
Nothing republican about that
What are the institutions of this republicanism . How was traditional Ibo society governed? Did they have elections?

The only thing that makes any sense in your post is that Zik commanded huge influence in the SE which is what i posted in the post you quoted. I don't have any facts about Zik "imposing" Nwobodo and Mbakwe so you can share them if they exist but i can bet that Zik never forced them to hand over their state coffers to him in the crude and criminal manner that jagaban has used to bleed yoruba land dry with no visible progress

The rest is the usual tribalistic stereotypical nonsense balderdash that springs from a place of bitterness. Go and read up on the geographical scale of the Ekumeku resistance against the British before you repeat fables here. Or the expanse of the Aro Confederacy from the 17th century. Do you even know anything about the Ama-ala or town hall union structure?? Dude read up. Tribalism is not everything

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amaniro:
Peter obi


My analysis says he is leading.

Which peter Obi that his candidate lost the last election, southeast is too strong for one man to take control.

nku5:
The only thing that makes any sense in your post is that Zik commanded huge influence in the SE which is what i posted in the post you quoted. I don't have any facts about Zik "imposing" Nwobodo and Mbakwe so you can share them if they exist but i can bet that Zik never forced them to hand over their state coffers to him in the crude and criminal manner that jagaban has used to bleed yoruba land dry with no visible progress

The rest is the usual tribalistic stereotypical nonsense balderdash that springs from a place of bitterness. Go and read up on the geographical scale of the Ekumeku resistance against the British before you repeat fables here. Or the expanse of the Aro Confederacy from the 17th century. Do you even know anything about the Ama-ala or town hall union structure?? Dude read up. Tribalism is not everything

Do you have any facts about anyone imposing anyone in Borno or Kano or Benue?
How did Otedola become governor?
FYI
When Shagari became president in 1979 he won 7 states in the north, maybe you are too young, he did not win Kano state which is where the 12 2/3 controversy came about.
The idea that people anywhere in Nigeria are told who to vote for or that the Iboes are more republican or independent in their voting is hubris.
Ibo hubris.
Zik controlled Ibo votes so do not tryi to repackage it as "influence "

When it suits the Aros become Ibo?

Well we know that Aro is conquered territory ruled by Akamkpa kings to this day.
Iboes are not more republican than anyone, the reality is Ibos are essentially villagers and never developed any political institutions suited to anything beyond village life

Ike Ekweremadu

TAO11:
But from empirical evidence, championing it is like signing an agreement to slide into oblivion in no distant time.
Check the "statistics"

Nnamdi kanu missed a great opportunity to weed out the politicians who are obviously against his biafra movement by mobilising and forming a real democratic southeast party with sentiments for biafra/IPOB.
Those followers were willing to die for the movement.
The governors were even forced to give him audience in an emergency southeast governors' forum.

He would have continued his mobilisation to get his IPOB reps/members into government across southeast. That is the only way you can be taken serious at the federal level.
Imagine all southeast governors/senators/reps being IPOB members.
They would have rejected python dance and he wouldn't have gone into oblivion.
The man missed his opportunity.

0monnak0da:
Do you have any facts about anyone imposing anyone in Borno or Kano or Benue?
How did Otedola become governor?
FYI
When Shagari became president in 1979 he won 7 states in the north, maybe you are too young, he did not win Kano state which is where the 12 2/3 controversy came about.
The idea that people anywhere in Nigeria are told who to vote for or that the Iboes are more republican or independent in their voting is hubris.
Ibo hubris.
Zik controlled Ibo votes so do not tryi to repackage it as "influence "

When it suits the Aros become Ibo?

Well we know that Aro is conquered territory ruled by Akamkpa kings to this day.
Iboes are not more republican than anyone, the reality is Ibos are essentially villagers and never developed any political institutions suited to anything beyond village life

Oga when it comes to attachment to anything "village" or it's practices The Yorubas still come to mind in southern Nigeria.
The Owo people still put tattoos all over there bodies as a sign of identification(an ancient kingdom with soo much fed. Govt presence) . A place where traimed doctors take agbo above their medical training as a form of treatment. Move away from the state capitals and meet most indigenes who can't communicate in even pidgin aside their Yoruba dialect not even general Yoruba.
And everyone claims to be lagosian which makes me wonder who stays in underdeveloped akure, ado-ekiti, osogbo, abeokuta and ibadan I've either visited ir seen on TV.

lionness:
Unlike Yoruba land, there are too many jagbabans in ibo land. Orji...Obi...to Okorocha...everyone holding their forte, each person reserving the spot for inlaws, cousins, friends and brothers. Over there, it's a family dynasty. More like a heirloom and inheritance thing. The dirties and filthiest politics known in the textbook. Religious blackmail and tribal-centric political war. And it's so ironic that the ibos hate tinubu so much when their own politicians are far worse and downright scummy and terrible. I just think the entire SE hatred on the SW is just a self-reflection thing. Nnamdi Kanu could have been the uniting force, the true Jagaban, but the guy was too shallow to know how powerful he'd have become in an election period and had gotten his handlers to destroy him too soon. I hope they discover someone who can unite them.

Why are you in a hurry? See trailer oo.
Ibo from historic are republican by nature. They only have sub-jagabans.
So having over-all jagaban is nearly impossible. Is it too hard to understand

0monnak0da:
Do you have any facts about anyone imposing anyone in Borno or Kano or Benue?
How did Otedola become governor?
FYI
When Shagari became president in 1979 he won 7 states in the north, maybe you are too young, he did not win Kano state which is where the 12 2/3 controversy came about.
The idea that people anywhere in Nigeria are told who to vote for or that the Iboes are more republican or independent in their voting is hubris.
Ibo hubris.
Zik controlled Ibo votes so do not tryi to repackage it as "influence "

When it suits the Aros become Ibo?

Well we know that Aro is conquered territory ruled by Akamkpa kings to this day.
Iboes are not more republican than anyone, the reality is Ibos are essentially villagers and never developed any political institutions suited to anything beyond village life

Lol!!! Interesting you tried to ask questions about imposing candidates in Borno and Benue when the proper comparison should be jagaban republic in yoruba land Nice try though When you are brave enough to address the elephant in the room let me know.

I won't even dignify your disgraceful comment about the Aro people not being Igbos with an answer

Ngige despite his shortcomings had the balls to tell his godfather to eff off and damn the consequences like the typical republican Igbo man. Jagaban's jazz can never work in our yard because we are DIFFERENT. Tinubu has put the entire SW in his pocket yet there is nothing to show except monstrous debt. Yet there is flooding, bad roads, horrible cities with poor quality of life, no pipeborne water, bad roads, no railways except the one Federal government built etc

There can never be a jagaban in SE because we are more sophisticated than that ! Go argue with your keyboard.

nku5:
The facts speak clearly for themselves.

Besides Zik there has been no one that has commanded influence on a regional scale. All the people on your list are kings in their state or party circles but definitely not on a SE scale. Nnamdi Kanu though not a politician and very popular with the masses had that effect but even he divided opinions in some quarters

ojukwu would have been igbo jagaban they decide to follow PDP instead of APGA they will be shouting marginalization very soon

ezenwajosh:
It is impossible in south east.....because we have minds of our own....2nd reason is because most of our population are independent of government money.....so one man can't just buy the population by giving them 4cups of rice and tell them who to vote.....unlike in EWEDU REPUBLIC WE DONT DO JAGAGBAM

that is why the SouthEast won't develop for the igbos to follow APGA they followed PDP that is greed to that highest order

GermanPoison:
ojukwu would have been igbo jagaban they decide to follow PDP instead of APGA they will be shouting marginalization very soon

Even Ojukwu could never be Jagaban. Never bro

amaniro:
What makes you think so.

we are capitalist in nature. No south east politician can win 15 percent of our vote.it's totally impossible.

nku5:
Even Ojukwu could never be Jagaban. Never bro

u guys have no skill n acumen to play politics the jagaban make SouthWest a force to be reckon with so the SouthEast are not relevant in nigeria politics today

nku5:
Lol!!! Interesting you tried to ask questions about imposing candidates in Borno and Benue when the proper comparison should be jagaban republic in yoruba land Nice try though When you are brave enough to address the elephant in the room let me know.

I won't even dignify your disgraceful comment about the Aro people not being Igbos with an answer

Ngige despite his shortcomings had the balls to tell his godfather to eff off and damn the consequences like the typical republican Igbo man. Jagaban's jazz can never work in our yard because we are DIFFERENT. Tinubu has put the entire SW in his pocket yet there is nothing to show except monstrous debt. Yet there is flooding, bad roads, horrible cities with poor quality of life, no pipeborne water, bad roads, no railways except the one Federal government built etc

There can never be a jagaban in SE because we are more sophisticated than that ! Go argue with your keyboard.

I thought Iboes owned Lagos and were 70% of the population? Are the Iboe developers if Lagos in his pocket?
Entire SW in Tinubu s pocket? That is foolishness unworthy of an answer
All over Nigeria governor try to influence their succession we have seen this in Edo, in Abla and in Imo with Rochas and his in law and illegal impeachment of his deputy and his daughter as commissioner for enjoyment
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Senator TA orji is the real jagaban of south east