hammer6F:
Yoruba are behaving like they have not recently completed a full 8 years tenure under OBJ as president, something that no other group or geopolitical zone have managed.

In addition to the 8 years Presidency and holding virtually every office in the country, Yoruba are presently VP, Senate President, Deputy Speaker, Chief of Defence Staff, yet u see the greed and opposition to Igbo gaining representation at national level.


I hope Ndiigbo are not sleeping. If u people are please wake up.


This is y wen i criticize Yorubas, it is for very valid reason.

Exactly the point I'm making.
It's simply out of greed that Yorubas are still vying and scheming to produce both VP of PDP and APC VP in preparation for another assault at the presidency slot in 2023, when they know fully well that Ndiigbo are yet to have neither the VP nor presidency since 1999. Imagine if the tables were turned and it were Ndiigbo doing same thing they are currently doing, how the whole Nigeria would accuse Ndiigbo of greed, yet for Yorubas, it's counted unto them as Political "sophistication".

SS has also produced a VP and presidency recently. If ever there is fairness, equity and justice in Nigeria, then nobody would even be discussing about why this VP slot should be exclusively zoned to SE, but Nigeria is a jungle, which is why I'm perplexed that someone like John Ogbu can write the thoughtless article where he opined that Atiku can forget picking a VP from SE and pick them from SW. I swear, some of our people just haven't got any clue, they are yet to understand the dynamics of Nigerian politics.

Abagworo:


Senate President is Fulani.

Bukola is not a Fulani name, dont ever get yourself confused.

Bukola is a yoruba name.

The larger half of Kwara are Yorubas.

Just as the larger half of Rivers are Igbos.

pazienza:


Exactly the point I'm making.
It's simply out of greed that Yorubas are still vying and scheming to produce both VP of PDP and APC VP in preparation for another assault at the presidency slot in 2023, when they know fully well that Ndiigbo are yet to have neither the VP nor presidency since 1999. Imagine if the tables were turned and it were Ndiigbo doing same thing they are currently doing, how the whole Nigeria would accuse Ndiigbo of greed, yet for Yorubas, it's counted unto them as Political "sophistication".

SS has also produce a VP and presidency recently. If ever there is fairness, equity and justice in Nigeria, then nobody would even be discussing about why this VP slot should be exclusively zoned to SE, but Nigeria is a jungle, which is why I'm perplexed that someone like John Ogbu can write the thoughtless article where he opined that Atiku can forget picking a VP from SE and pick them from SW. I swear, some of our people just havent got any clue.

It is not just greed my brother, it is psychotic obsession.

Y use the term pyschotic obsession, well, Yoruba had to produce Finanace Minister becos Okonjo Ikweala who is Igbo and a woman was fianace minister, then Buhari replaced kemi with hausafulani woman.

U can see that in Nigeria anything that goes to the East is observed with satellite telescope/ ill feelings.

hammer6F:



Wat do u mean?

I hope Ndiigbo are not sleeping?

U see how Yoruba are going out of their way to make sure that even VP does not get to Igbos?

Even Fayosi threaten to resign PDP.

I hope those of us that are sleeping on the level of opposition we face from Yoruba are waking up.

I have always said Yoruba constitute the biggest problem Igbo face in Nigeria and never the North or HausaFulani.

The only thing I asked is your Senate president choice?

ckenneths:


The only thing I asked is your Senate president choice?

Senate President should go to Saraki if Igbo get VP.

pazienza:


Exactly the point I'm making.
It's simply out of greed that Yorubas are still vying and scheming to produce both VP of PDP and APC VP in preparation for another assault at the presidency slot in 2023, when they know fully well that Ndiigbo are yet to have neither the VP nor presidency since 1999. Imagine if the tables were turned and it were Ndiigbo doing same thing they are currently doing, how the whole Nigeria would accuse Ndiigbo of greed, yet for Yorubas, it's counted unto them as Political "sophistication".

SS has also produced a VP and presidency recently. If ever there is fairness, equity and justice in Nigeria, then nobody would even be discussing about why this VP slot should be exclusively zoned to SE, but Nigeria is a jungle, which is why I'm perplexed that someone like John Ogbu can write the thoughtless article where he opined that Atiku can forget picking a VP from SE and pick them from SW. I swear, some of our people just haven't got any clue, they are yet to understand the dynamics of Nigerian politics.

In Nigeria, the only people that want to die over VP in both PDP and APC are Yoruba.


U wonder why Ndiigbo want Biafra.


Let Yoruba and Hausa Fulani continue as Nigeria together.


U will here Yoruba say if Igbo go, we are going, as if we came to Nigeria together.

John Ogbu can write the thoughtless article where he opined that Atiku can forget picking a VP from SE and pick them from SW. I swear, some of our people just haven't got any clue, they are yet to understand the dynamics of Nigerian politics.

Y dont we ever get Yoruba people write such nonsense or Hausafulani write such?

Y must Igbo thing always be negatively different?

hammer6F:


Bukola is not a Fulani name, dont ever get yourself confused.

Bukola is a yoruba name.

The larger half of Kwara are Yorubas.

Just as the larger half of Rivers are Igbos.

The Sarakis and Ilorin people don't consider themselves Yorubas. Even though they speak and bear Yoruba names.
But the rest of Yoruba speaking Kwara are comfortable with the Yoruba tag. For example,, Oyedepo is a proud Yoruba man from Kwara State.

And those raving mad Ohanaeze youth are not making things any easier.

Ranting all over social media like amateurs.

Those threat we will not vote Atiku, put igbo in bad light.

At that level, diplomacy and diplomatic mission would suffice not childish tantrum.

pazienza:


The Sarakis and Ilorin people don't consider themselves Yorubas. Even though they speak and bear Yoruba names.
But the rest of Yoruba speaking Kwara are comfortable with the Yoruba tag. For example,, Oyedepo is a proud Yoruba man from Kwara State.

We cannot pick and choose all the time.

It is simple, u answer yoruba name, eat their food, marry them and speak their language, you are Yoruba.

Simple boundry adjustment and regionalism would correct that anomaly.

i.e. Cut Yoruba kwara/ Kogi and add them into the SW region.

Cut Ikwere out of Rivers and put their land locked land with minimal oil into the SE zone.


Create a coastal state for the Kalabari and let us see wat Ikwere will call themselves next.

Saraki comfortably gave his daughter to a Yoruba from SW in marriage.

hammer6F:


We cannot pick and choose all the time.

It is simple, u answer yoruba name, eat their food, marry them and speak their language, you are Yoruba.

Simple boundry adjustment and regionalism would correct that anomaly.

i.e. Cut Yoruba kwara/ Kogi and add them into the SW region.

You don't get it. It's not about what you and I or Yorubas think.
It's about what Ilorin people themselves think.

This is the same issue have with Ndiigbo that go on assuming Ikwerres and other Igbophobic Igboid groups out there are Igbos, simply because they speak Igbo, wear Igbo clothes and eat Igbo food.

If someone say you are not his brother, then you are better off without the person. A true brother will not deny you.

Ttipsy:
on which road?? I laugh

There are many roads.

pazienza:


You don't get it. It's not about what you and I or Yorubas think.
It's about what Ilorin people themselves think.

This is the same issue have with Ndiigbo that go on assuming Ikwerres and other Igbophobic Igboid groups out there are Igbos, simply because they speak Igbo, wear Igbo clothes and eat Igbo food.

If someone say you are not his brother, then you are better off without the person. A true brother will not deny you.

That is true.

However, association by implication goes both ways.

If they deny Yoruba becos of interaction with Fulani.

We terminate the interaction by redrwaing their boundry to cut them into SW.

pazienza:


You don't get it. It's not about what you and I or Yorubas think.
It's about what Ilorin people themselves think.

This is the same issue have with Ndiigbo that go on assuming Ikwerres and other Igbophobic Igboid groups out there are Igbos, simply because they speak Igbo, wear Igbo clothes and eat Igbo food.

If someone say you are not his brother, then you are better off without the person. A true brother will not deny you.

I completely agree with you. But the problem is that some of the people believe they are your brothers, so it's not fair to write off the whole group.

There are claims termed fraudulent.


It is fraudulent to speak a language, follow its culture and cuisine but deny affiliation.


It can simply not be accepted as irrational.

hammer6F:
Cut Ikwere out of Rivers and put their land locked land with minimal oil into the SE zone.


Create a coastal state for the Kalabari and let us see wat Ikwere will call themselves next.

Ikwerre don't want to be cut out of Rivers, they certainly don't want to be added to a people they view as oppressors. Don't you get the memo already?

pazienza:


Ikwerre don't want to be cut out of Rivers, they certainly don't want to be added to a people they view as oppressors. Don't you get the memo already?

Wat Ikwere want and wat they will get are two different things.

People do not always get wat they want.

If Kalabari want their own state should they continue to be marginalised in Rivers becos of wat the Ikwere want?

Wat the Ikwere claim and want can be rejected as Irrational.

hammer6F:
Cut Ikwere out of Rivers and put their land locked land with minimal oil into the SE zone.


Create a coastal state for the Kalabari and let us see wat Ikwere will call themselves next.

lol...i tell u

Bede2u:
lol...i tell u

If Ogoni agree to stay with them as opposed to join Kalabari State, then they will have to negotiate with Opobo and Bonny to get sea access.

This can only happen under an agreed power sharing arrangement.

As for Ikwere alone, they are hopelessly landlocked.

hammer6F:



Wat Ikwere want and wat they will get are two different things.

People do not always get wat they want.

If Kalabari want their own state should they continue to be marginalised in Rivers becos of wat the Ikwere want?

Wat the Ikwere claim and want can be rejected as Irrational.

This is the hubris and irrationality that will destroy Ndiigbo .
What made you think you have the right to decide for yourself, and others don't have the right to decide for themselves? Where exactly is this mentality coming from.

What Ikwerre claims and want is what they will get. Stop this your funny mindset.

pazienza:


This is the hubris and irrationality that will destroy Ndiigbo .
What made you think you have the right to decide for yourself, and others don't have the right to decide for themselves? Where exactly is this mentality coming from.

What Ikwerre claims and want is what they will get. Stop this your funny mindset.

We are in a democratics dispensation.

GEJ came very close to doing exactly wat I just said here, so it is not a threat.

Look very close at the National confab map.

They took much of the igboid groups into oil River State, leaving the Ikwere and Ogoni out.

That is Ijaw moving to consolidate on their gain with igboid groups such as the Ekpeye and co.

They came right up to the boundaries between Anioma, Anambra and Imo.

If u dont know wat that map means.

Pls, let me explain.

It means Ikwere are Igbo and SE just like Abia.

As Oil River State takes up their place in the SS heading to Akwa Ibom.

hammer6F:
If u dont know wat that map means.

Pls, let me explain.

It means Ikwere are Igbo and SE just like Abia.

As Oil River State takes up their place in the SS heading to Akwa Ibom.

That map is such a useless map.

ChinenyeN:


Rumuola is part of the Obio clan which claims a westward migration into their present location from within Etche, and many parts of Etche were populated by southward migrations from various Ngwa communities, Umuola included (Umuola in the Okehi part of Echie). Someone from Rumuola will have to enlighten us all about the specifics of their oral traditions, but by virtue of their affiliation with Obio, it seems likely.

That aside, there are several Umuola communities in Ngwa, but I'm not intimately familiar with all their oral traditions. So, I don't know about any marriage restrictions between them and Rumuola.

tanx for this. This is to show u how we are all related... But oyel won't make them see... Am from abia state too. Am from nkporo
Kaaa nwane...

hammer6F:



We are in a democratics dispensation.

GEJ came very close to doing exactly wat I just said here, so it is not a threat.

Look very close at the National confab map.

They took much of the igboid groups into oil River State, leaving the Ikwere and Ogoni out.

That is Ijaw moving to consolidate on their gain with igboid groups such as the Ekpeye and co.

They came right up to the boundaries between Anioma, Anambra and Imo.

Okay, I understand where you are driving at now.
You are talking about the coastal Ijaw groups in Rivers state ie Kalabari, Okrika, Bonny, Opobo and Andoni, coming together to form their own state, together with Ogba and Ekpeye, and ?Ndoni, leaving Ikwerre , Ogoni, Etche, to retain a now landlocked Rivers state with no access to offshore oil derivation.

Hmm. That would be interesting development. It would certainly burst lots of bubbles.

Hammer6f please spear us that bullshit of yours, what you are saying can never happen, who in his right senses will think that forcefully carving Ikwerre into SE will ever work?, If it ever happens then know it now that there will be an endless conflict in the SE.


You will even hear statements like 'These greedy Igbo people because of our oyel they are attaching with us AND we didn't want to do anything with you people but you people are greedy land grabbers etc'


Biko stop this your dream it won't work although I know it is one of your many fantasies that will fail just like your failed support for Bianca Ojukwu

You guys have wasted over 30 pages discussing about dead Igbo leaders of the 60s and Ikwerre people instead of talking about the current crop of "mistakes" that are currently ruling us. Even the likes of Cjrane, horsepower etc that usually contribute to this thread have all been silent of recent because of the boring topics.

hammer6F:
There are claims termed fraudulent.


It is fraudulent to speak a language, follow its culture and cuisine but deny affiliation.


It can simply not be accepted as irrational.

The fulanis in kwara don't speak yoruba or follow yoruba culture

nnamdijonathan:
You guys have wasted over 30 pages discussing about dead Igbo leaders of the 60s and Ikwerre people instead of talking about the current crop of "mistakes" that are currently ruling us. Even the likes of Cjrane, horsepower etc that usually contribute to this thread have all been silent of recent because of the boring topics.

It's part of the discussion, or you want to shut ppl mouth? If you have nothing to contribute, go and sleep.

BankeSmalls:


It's part of the discussion, or you want to shut ppl mouth? If you have nothing to contribute, go and sleep.

I don here.