The current reactions to the possibility of atiku picking a yoruba running mate are at best reactive and shortsighted.

With voter apathy,we achieve less than we could,as we hope to punish pdp and lessen buhari antagonism ,things extraneous to stratejic igbo interes ts.

A few pages ago ,during the exposition on azikiwe 1948 speech,there was a suggestion to replicate his moves on electing representatives to push igb0 interests.2019 and atiku possible yoruba running mate provide the right time and opportunity.

going to the ballots and casting a vote for apga would achieve all that voter apathy can and more,it would send the same message,while opening a vista for authentic pro igbo interest candidates and positioning ndiigbo as a force to be reckoned with in 2023,thereby increasing our negotiating power.

A more active strategy than counting our thumbs at home.

Those claiming Igbos weren't civilised or resisted those wicked british should check this out:

Ekumeku movement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekumeku_Movement

[url]www.ibusa.net/ekumeku%20war%20-%20ibuzor.htm[/url]

https://www.onwar.com/aced/chrono/c1800s/yr80/fnigeria1883.htm

https://www.nairaland.com/617906/ekumeku-war-western-igboland

Anglo-Aro war

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Aro_War

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Aro_Confederacy

[url]https://www.revolvy.com/page/Anglo%252DAro-War[/url]

[url]ukpuru.tumblr.com/post/75616633362/the-britisharo-war-19011902-in-west-africa[/url]

Those claiming Igbos weren't civilised or resisted those wicked british should check this out:

Ekumeku movement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekumeku_Movement

[url]www.ibusa.net/ekumeku%20war%20-%20ibuzor.htm[/url]

https://www.onwar.com/aced/chrono/c1800s/yr80/fnigeria1883.htm

https://www.nairaland.com/617906/ekumeku-war-western-igboland

Anglo-Aro war

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Aro_War

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Aro_Confederacy

[url]https://www.revolvy.com/page/Anglo%252DAro-War[/url]

[url]ukpuru.tumblr.com/post/75616633362/the-britisharo-war-19011902-in-west-africa[/url]

Coming back with more

Ikwerre youths has said that according to history, the people of Ikwerre are actually Igbos. The youths, in an epistle signed by one of their leaders, Adiele Samuel said that the reason why they were forced to deny their Igbo roots was to avoid being shortchanged in Nigeria during and after the Civil War. Read for yourself:
“We the youths of Ikwerre extraction, Elele, Ubima, Isiokpo, Ogbakiri, Omademe, Obiri Ikwerre, Rumuigbo, Rumuola, Rumukurushi, Rumuokoro, etc wish to make known our position as regards to Biafra movement. The Ikwerre is a sub group of Igbo in the Niger Delta headquartered in Isiokpo Ancient Kingdom, we are some time classified as a separate ethnic group in Rivers State, if you call us Igbo you are not wrong and if you call us Ikwerre you are equally not wrong.

There are reasons behind the creation of Rivers State, one was to frustrate the Biafran dream and two was to divide the Igbo ethnic group being regarded as separatist tribe.

The division of old Eastern Nigeria no doubt was based on popular demands by the non Igbo speaking communities due to fear of marginalization, loosing their identity and other lies peddled by Nigeria Government. When Rivers State was carved out from the east, there was need to divide the Igbo, on the process, part of Igbo communities were carved into Rivers State which resulted to identity crises, as some started rewriting the Ikwerre history to please the North.

The name Ikwerre is as if you are asking a question and then someone from Imo State replies you “Nkwerre” which is an LGA in the State. The problem of most of our youth is that they rely on what their grand fathers told them without studying wide. In Eli kwerre, if you have not married from Imo you are not in line, most Ikwerre wives are Imolites and we speak Igbo even more than some Igbos who claims to be original Igbo. The identity crisis in Rivers State started immediately after the war, some claim Bini origin, notable of them is Elechi Amadi the author of the Concubine, in all his books has promoted the Igbo culture but in a surprised move denounced his Igboness before Justice Oputa who reminded him of his Igbo names and Igboid language, No Igbo speaks the same. We can not admit our Igbo identity except during elections like Amaechi”.
Ikwerre Meka

Signed,

Adiele Samuel.

frankfrancis871:
Those claiming Igbos weren't civilised or resisted those wicked british should check this out:

Ekumeku movement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekumeku_Movement

[url]www.ibusa.net/ekumeku%20war%20-%20ibuzor.htm[/url]

https://www.onwar.com/aced/chrono/c1800s/yr80/fnigeria1883.htm

https://www.nairaland.com/617906/ekumeku-war-western-igboland

Anglo-Aro war

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Aro_War

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Aro_Confederacy

[url]https://www.revolvy.com/page/Anglo%252DAro-War[/url]

[url]ukpuru.tumblr.com/post/75616633362/the-britisharo-war-19011902-in-west-africa[/url]

Coming back with more

Ikwerre youths has said that according to history, the people of Ikwerre are actually Igbos. The youths, in an epistle signed by one of their leaders, Adiele Samuel said that the reason why they were forced to deny their Igbo roots was to avoid being shortchanged in Nigeria during and after the Civil War. Read for yourself:
“We the youths of Ikwerre extraction, Elele, Ubima, Isiokpo, Ogbakiri, Omademe, Obiri Ikwerre, Rumuigbo, Rumuola, Rumukurushi, Rumuokoro, etc wish to make known our position as regards to Biafra movement. The Ikwerre is a sub group of Igbo in the Niger Delta headquartered in Isiokpo Ancient Kingdom, we are some time classified as a separate ethnic group in Rivers State, if you call us Igbo you are not wrong and if you call us Ikwerre you are equally not wrong.

There are reasons behind the creation of Rivers State, one was to frustrate the Biafran dream and two was to divide the Igbo ethnic group being regarded as separatist tribe.

The division of old Eastern Nigeria no doubt was based on popular demands by the non Igbo speaking communities due to fear of marginalization, loosing their identity and other lies peddled by Nigeria Government. When Rivers State was carved out from the east, there was need to divide the Igbo, on the process, part of Igbo communities were carved into Rivers State which resulted to identity crises, as some started rewriting the Ikwerre history to please the North.

The name Ikwerre is as if you are asking a question and then someone from Imo State replies you “Nkwerre” which is an LGA in the State. The problem of most of our youth is that they rely on what their grand fathers told them without studying wide. In Eli kwerre, if you have not married from Imo you are not in line, most Ikwerre wives are Imolites and we speak Igbo even more than some Igbos who claims to be original Igbo. The identity crisis in Rivers State started immediately after the war, some claim Bini origin, notable of them is Elechi Amadi the author of the Concubine, in all his books has promoted the Igbo culture but in a surprised move denounced his Igboness before Justice Oputa who reminded him of his Igbo names and Igboid language, No Igbo speaks the same. We can not admit our Igbo identity except during elections like Amaechi”.
Ikwerre Meka

Signed,

Adiele Samuel.

PabloAfricanus:


Actually my points stand, at least the way I see it.
But if you insist, I'd be willing to learn why.

Let's leave the questions about carving up minorities into unwilling and unsolicited unions for now.

Can you honestly breakdown for me why the Igbos have not been able to form a political block with minorities in the South?

wat exactly does this fool mean? Since 1979 election till date the igbos and the ss have been largely under same party and votes same way nationally.

Are you aware the Amachrees in Kalabari can be said to be essentially Igbo?
Just like the Ikwerres who were complicit in kicking the Igbos out of PH after the war?

u are stuck in politics of the early 70s when igbos were fresh out of war. Do u think its also possible that the yorubas or fulanis would have faced same issue from their kins if the just lost a civil war in nigeria? Mumu man

Why are the Ijaws despite very heavy intermarriage, as lots of Ijaws are half Igbo, very hostile to all things Igbo?

liar and slave. Goodluck jonathan was accused of surrounding himself with igbo. Pray tell which ijaw are very hostile to all things igbo? Or is gej from onitsha? Bastad.

Why do they consistently work against any Igbo cause or firmly resist any grounds for political engagements with Igbos?

in wat way pls. Cos they say they are not part of biafra? Even imo state and roachas said they are not biafra

Why do the Anioma peoples despite their very well known Igbo origins never seem to be able to make the hand shake across the Niger work?

in wat way? Do they kill igbos or vote against igbos? Some of them only say they are not igbo. U do know they also deny being bini too right? Where are bini ambassadors and courts wen u need them? Little kids with fone.

Why do they all look up to smaller groups like the Binis and Fulanis when they have a bigger group they have shared history with?

they deny being tagged bini just as much as they deny being igbo. However we know they relate with both groups very cordially. They just need their own identity. Go and tell an ika politician who he would rather align with btw fulani and igbo. Has there been a time ika or ikwerre went against igbo to help fulani? Not even during the war or after it. Gowon (who isnt fulani) gave ijaw rivers state and for that they appreciate him. Wen ibb was reigning, the guys from there wanted an anioma and ikwerre state. Ibb reburfed them and created enugu and abia states instead.

And why are Igbos so confused about their place in Nigerian politics?

most igbos want biafra. However the politics in igboland is split btw wat the masses want and wat the elites want. Its like that every where there is agitation for secession. Ask catalans wat they want

ghostfacekillar:
they jst want to derail this thread. Nothing more.. So dat we keep discussing and discussing the same thing again

In fact, I am leaving that topic. The reason I delved into it is that we need to start getting it right in this country and stop allowing some people drag us into the mud.

It's alright.
For the VP position, I insist that if it doesn't go to SE and strictly SE as a geopolitical zone, I will vote for any XYZ party, aside PDP and APC.
As for those berating Yoruba for wanting VP, Wetin be una own? Every zone is fighting for themselves. It's not anyone's duty to take care of you politically, so, if they want SW VP, insist on SE VP and slung it out.
Stop the pity party already. There is no conscience in politics

I must confess, I have been baffled by gross display of poor grasp and blatant distortion of Igbo history, displayed by Pabloafricanus on this thread.
This highlights why for no reason should the defense of Ndiigbo be left for a non Igbo.

donguutti:
The current reactions to the possibility of atiku picking a yoruba running mate are at best reactive and shortsighted.

With voter apathy,we achieve less than we could,as we hope to punish pdp and lessen buhari antagonism ,things extraneous to stratejic igbo interes ts.

A few pages ago ,during the exposition on azikiwe 1948 speech,there was a suggestion to replicate his moves on electing representatives to push igb0 interests.2019 and atiku possible yoruba running mate provide the right time and opportunity.

going to the ballots and casting a vote for apga would achieve all that voter apathy can and more,it would send the same message,while opening a vista for authentic pro igbo interest candidates and positioning ndiigbo as a force to be reckoned with in 2023,thereby increasing our negotiating power.

A more active strategy than counting our thumbs at home.

I must confess, election boycott sounds like a defeatist solution.
APGA is offering a Benue candidate and an Igbo VP.
Not bad if you ask me, but the Benue candidate they chose looks old and uninspirational.
Still, we could send a strong message by all voting in block for APGA at the presidential elections in block vote. Or we can go for Moghalu.

InyinyaAgbaOku:


In fact, I am leaving that topic. The reason I delved into it is that we need to start getting it right in this country and stop allowing some people drag us into the mud.

It's alright.
For the VP position, I insist that if it doesn't go to SE and strictly SE as a geopolitical zone, I will vote for any XYZ party, aside PDP and APC.
As for those berating Yoruba for wanting VP, Wetin be una own? Every zone is fighting for themselves. It's not anyone's duty to take care of you politically, so, if they want SW VP, insist on SE VP and slung it out.
Stop the pity party already. There is no conscience in politics

People needs to understand that every group is fighting for their own interest. The Yorubas are fighting for their interest and so you won't blame them. But Ndigbo sidondeylook. I don't know the direction our Governors are going but I think they need to be apt in their decision. Our interest must come first instead of a useless notion to be apathetic. Will Buhari dangle a better deal than Atiku? If yes then we must use our head rather than emotions. Your best friend can be your enemy tomorrow while your enemy today can be your best friend tomorrow.
Our interest must come first rather than act low like crybabies. If PDP messes up to hell with them, no currying favour or voting for APGA or one Muoghalu and waste our votes. May amadioha strike anyone down for bringing up such useless idea. Why are the Yoruba's not voting for Sowore? Do these fools want us to suffer more and give others control of our destiny or are you helping the Igbo nation to stay afloat politically. I say, vote for who gives you the better deal. We need to be very apt about this. If Buhari comes with a better offer, vote him. Never again shall PDP take us for granted.

donguutti:
The current reactions to the possibility of atiku picking a yoruba running mate are at best reactive and shortsighted.

With voter apathy,we achieve less than we could,as we hope to punish pdp and lessen buhari antagonism ,things extraneous to stratejic igbo interes ts.

A few pages ago ,during the exposition on azikiwe 1948 speech,there was a suggestion to replicate his moves on electing representatives to push igb0 interests.2019 and atiku possible yoruba running mate provide the right time and opportunity.

going to the ballots and casting a vote for apga would achieve all that voter apathy can and more,it would send the same message,while opening a vista for authentic pro igbo interest candidates and positioning ndiigbo as a force to be reckoned with in 2023,thereby increasing our negotiating power.

A more active strategy than counting our thumbs at home.

I understand your point. We can vote APGA in state elections. But it will be fool hardy to do the same with flag bearer from Benue with no political value. However APGA has not really shown itself a right wing Igbo party, a new party with such extremism will emerge in the future. But for now, we need to get it right.
1. If PDP gift us the VP slot and other icing on the cake, we'll stand with them.

2. Our antagonism in 2015 against Buhari cost us hate from him. How else would you explain Python Dance in the SE and the neglect of Ndigbo from political appointments. But one thing about interest is that it has no permanent friends or enemies. God forbid Buhari's win without our help, that won't bode well. So we should play the game right this time. Our interest first.

Chiwude:
People needs to understand that every group is fighting for their own interest. The Yorubas are fighting for their interest and so you won't blame them. But Ndigbo sidondeylook. I don't know the direction our Governors are going but I think they need to be apt in their decision. Our interest must come first instead of a useless notion to be apathetic. Will Buhari dangle a better deal than Atiku? If yes then we must use our head rather than emotions. Your best friend can be your enemy tomorrow while your enemy today can be your best friend tomorrow.
Our interest must come first rather than act low like crybabies. . If PDP messes up to hell with them, no currying favour or voting for APGA or one Muoghalu and waste our votes. May amadioha strike anyone down for bringing up such useless idea. Why are the Yoruba's not voting for Sowore? Do these fools want us to suffer more and give others control of our destiny or are you helping the Igbo nation to stay afloat politically. I say, vote for who gives you the better deal. We need to be very apt about this. If Buhari comes with a better offer, vote him. Never again shall PDP take us for granted.

Your blood dey hot o!
Take it easy.
But you have valid points. We can yet broker a deal with APC if need be.
Saraki is off to PDP, so I reckon the Senate presidency is vacant at APC as it stands, we can go for that.
We can also extract other juicy ministerial appointment positions and head of important Federal parastatals from him.
Positions like CBN governor wouldn't be bad, since Soludo left, we haven't tasted the position again, Yes! Emefiele is Ika and not Igbo,i haven't seen him ever address himself as an Igbo man.
Bottomline is that we must not let PDP continue to treat us like this and go Scot free.

We were all here when Ekwueme was forced to give way for OBJ, when his Yoruba people did next to nothing for PDP. We were here too when GEJ was projected ahead of us in 2007. Now we are being asked to give way for SW again, when all their states are controlled by APC.

It's time we re evaluated our relationship with PDP,its becoming a parasitic One to Ndiigbo, and we can't keep silent on it anylonger.
Any interests that seek to undermine Igbo interests, no matter how good it portends to the rest of Nigeria, is not an Igbo interest and must not receive our blessings.

This is serious mister pazienza and co, I thought its Biafra we need
Ever since I saw this thread, I ignored your 'nigeria discussion' but this is getting too much. Why are you people making it sense that our people are confused, I repeat what do we need BIAFRA or nIGERIA VP let discuss

Biafra is the only way an IGBO CAN BE SAFE NOT irrelevant political posts!

[url]sunnewsonline.com/ipob-rejects-vp-slot-for-s-east-insists-on-referendum-for-biafras-exit/[/url]

I always knew Igbos are anti igbos, always pushing for ways uneducated Igbo's would be excluded from electoral proces. VP slot a perfect opportunity to push for restructuring or referendum, they want to dash us Yoruba..... Eyin le mo. At least as useless as APC is our son osinbajo has influenced creation of another seaport in lekki ibeju(when some don't even have one) highspeed lightrail will commence opreation next year linking Abeokuta ,Ibadan and Lagos in minutes to hour. Ji ma sun.. Ipob.








This ^ above was a Yoruba man's opinion on a thread.

They are having another sea port in the West, same Lagos that is heavily congested.

Internationally recognised MMIA airport sprawling with embassies.

And a metro rail that will begin operation linking three Western cities in less than an hour.


East has no internationally recognised Airport

A crumbling Niger Bridge last attended to in the 60's.

Dilapidated inter-state roads

No metro-rail under construction.

No seaport.

And you wonder why Igbos flee in droves from the East in search of greener pastures.

Ihe Igbo mere onwe ha ajoka! ( pazienza)

It shall never be well with Anyim, Nnamani and others that sold our votes to FG and PDP in exchange for personal ambition and profits.

Tufiakwa on Igbo POLITICS. No ideology.

PabloAfricanus:


Lol the point went direct over your head didn't it?
Ok, I agree. Fulani bad, Igbo good.
Fulani grab land, steal land, shed blood, kill people, very bad.
Igbo no grab land, no steal land, no shed blood, no kill people, very good.
Just like I told you earlier, you lack the historical background to think through this.

Consider these.

The Igbos had no kindgom, empire or organized political system. Just like you noted, they only had hamlets and clans.
That means the Igbos never played power politics, state politics nor court politics with ANY of the minorities in the south.
They simply do not have that kind of relationship with Igbos either as a clan or as a political unit. At best, what some minorities dealt with were prominent Igbo clans like Aros.

When the Nigerian state forced both Igbos and the minorities to modernize, thereby forming political entities from previously autonomous clans and hamlets, the Igbos still never had a historical relationship of diplomacy or political engagements with these minorities. To them, Igbos were the closest clans who spoke Igbo and that was that.

Your mistake is in comparing Igbos to Fulanis and drawing parallels from it. How naive. Fulanis are not in the same class as Igbos. Military wise, politics wise and cultural wise, Fulanis have evolved more advanced structures than Igbos. Take court politics for example, as an Igbo you'd be forgiven for not being able to relate to the idea of a Gwandu court sending ambassadors to a Bini court, Oyo court or Kanem court.
That is how states, kingdoms and empires evolved to engage each other. Diplomacy is a fundamental part of the engagement, or that failing military engagement.

Igbos on the other hand, have no political interface, platform, system or culture to effectively engage with Ijaws, Ikwerres, Efiks, Ibibios, Kalabaris, Ogojas, Uhrobos, Idomas, Binis and other ethnic groups.

The British had to install warrant chiefs for them.
The only Igbo speaking clans with organized leadership were Bini influenced ones like Aboh, Onitsha, Ikas and the Aros. The larger Igbo peoples were a stateless people. These are historical facts.

If Igbos have to engage successfully with other minorities or with other big players in the country, they need to be able to build political institutions that can interface with them.
Igbos cannot use the force of arms, as they never conquered anyone and none of their neighbors can relate to an Igbo army or invading force.
They cannot use threats of colonization as that is equally strange to their neighbors who find such talk very funny.
They also cannot appeal to historical sentiments like intermarriage, as group sentiments will override that just like the case of the Ijaws and Ikwerres.

Replace Igbos with Bini, Yoruba or Fulani and you see a different picture emerges.
The Oba of Bini can dispatch court officials to Ekiti, Itshekiri, Lagos, Ife, Oyo, Igalla, Nupe, Ijebu, Iselle Uku and effectively communicate what the Bini policy on any issue is.
The Ooni or Alaafin can send chiefs to Gwandu, Ilorin, Bini, Ashanti or Dahome courts and state in clear terms what the Yoruba policy on say the price of garri is.
If it has to come to a show of force when diplomatic overtures fail, an army can be raised to enforce compliance like in precolonial times.

Igbos do not have such political systems or structures, just individuals migrating and trading.
Igbos need to learn how effectively interact in a modern political setup. This gives other ethnic groups a handle to effectively engage with.

wheeew, another history lesson.
Hopefully you can make sense of it.
Thank me later.

I'm sufficiently confounded by the scale of ignorance and revisionism here not to even be bothered to foment a response. Especially as brevity is not your friend in your convoluted ramblings. Wouldn't know where to start. Incredible!

I wish to use this forum to make my position absolutely clear when it comes to Nigerian political matters. I am not a flip flopper.

1) I don’t give a damn of igbo presidency or vice presidency. Those are positions that has never brought real developments to any region that has held it. Prove me wrong.

2) I support IPOB. I want igbos to leave Nigeria. It will never be our home even in 1000years. Trust me, the Jews in Europe stayed 2000 years there but were never fully accepted. The holocaust finally forced them to get their own nation.

3) I want an Igbo only Biafra but it MUST be made up of igbophilic igbos not igbo deniers.

4) As long as igbos remain in Nigeria, I only care that they are doing good economically in comparison to other groups and that we continue to use our resources to develope igboland. Simple.

horsepower101:
I wish to use this forum to make my position absolutely clear when it comes to Nigerian political matters. I am not a flip flopper.

1) I don’t give a damn of igbo presidency or vice presidency. Those are positions that has never brought real developments to any region that has held it. Prove me wrong.

2) I support IPOB. I want igbos to leave Nigeria. It will never be our home even in 1000years. Trust me, the Jews in Europe stayed 2000 years there but were never fully accepted. The holocaust finally forced them to get their own nation.

3) I want an Igbo only Biafra but it MUST be made up of igbophilic igbos not igbo deniers.

4) As long as igbos remain in Nigeria, I care that they are doing good economically in comparison to other groups and that we continue to use our resources to develop igboland. Simple.

Sad to say Igbos found themselves trapped in Nigeria. Given the size of their potentials and mandate,Nigeria is a crime against humanity on Igbos and all aspiring ethnicities. We all have seen sufficient evidence to support and note that a million presidencies do not and cannot engender genuine development and advancement in any section of this country. For a start,every single clause in the current 1999 constitution is an aberration and anti-human. I sincerely wish Nigerians will commit all the heat and intellect manifested since the run up to 2019 elections to discussing their existence and the future therefrom. Nigeria is done and buried. All the politicking only serves to validate and further entrench a dead system.

Handsomegod:

Sad to say Igbos found themselves trapped in Nigeria. Given the size of their potentials and mandate,Nigeria is a crime against humanity on Igbos and all aspiring ethnicities. We all have seen sufficient evidence to support and note that a million presidencies do not and cannot engender genuine development and advancement in any section of this country. For a start,every single clause in the current 1999 constitution is an aberration and anti-human. I sincerely wish Nigerians will commit all the heat and intellect manifested since the run up to 2019 elections to discussing their existence and the future therefrom. Nigeria is done and buried. All the politicking only serves to validate and further entrench a dead system.

a wicked constitution. No wonder baron always talk about the evil constitution.... Nigeria is not going anywhere... A homogeneous igbo nation I stand in... The igbo phobic one should be carved out for peace to reign...

Handsomegod:

Sad to say Igbos found themselves trapped in Nigeria. Given the size of their potentials and mandate,Nigeria is a crime against humanity on Igbos and all aspiring ethnicities. We all have seen sufficient evidence to support and note that a million presidencies do not and cannot engender genuine development and advancement in any section of this country. For a start,every single clause in the current 1999 constitution is an aberration and anti-human. I sincerely wish Nigerians will commit all the heat and intellect manifested since the run up to 2019 elections to discussing their existence and the future therefrom. Nigeria is done and buried. All the politicking only serves to validate and further entrench a dead system.

Nigerians will be forced to discuss their existence once oil money significantly dwindles. So many groups in Nigeria know that the country has no real future but they are just staying as long as they can to benefit from the oil allocations. That’s the main reason they hate the idea of Biafra even though they hate igbos.

Am sick and tired of Nigeria... Every body knows this but tribalism won't let them think straight for once.

pazienza:
OK.
Focus on education.
SE seem to be ahead on education.

Please create a thread for this

ghostfacekillar:
Am sick and tired of Nigeria... Every body knows this but tribalism won't let them think straight for once.

Nigeria will always remain tribalistic. That will never change. It’s was us igbos that didn’t realize this critical fact and we have paid dearly for it. We have to become very aggressive in the push for our interest. Stop giving a damn about other tribes before you do things. They have shown consistently that they don’t give a damn about us and are always willing to throw us under the bus to advance their own agenda.

THIS MUST STOP IN THIS GENERATION.

I will accept a Nigeria where the igbos completely dominate the economy while the others tussle selfishly for political positions that will never benefit their people.

But my only reservation is that igbo invest Majority of their profits from other parts of Nigeria in igboland.

Stop developing other parts of Nigeria and investing all your sweat and blood there. The envious indigenes can wake up one morning and burn it down or take it from you.

horsepower101:
I will accept a Nigeria where the igbos completely dominate the economy while the others tussle selfishly for political positions that will never benefit their people.

But my only reservation is that igbo invest Majority of their profits from other parts of Nigeria in igboland.

Stop developing other parts of Nigeria and investing all your sweat and blood there. The envious indigenes can wake up one morning and burn it down or take it from you.

Nigeria economy is too tied to politics. That's the problem

horsepower101:
I wish to use this forum to make my position absolutely clear when it comes to Nigerian political matters. I am not a flip flopper.

1) I don’t give a damn of igbo presidency or vice presidency. Those are positions that has never brought real developments to any region that has held it. Prove me wrong.

2) I support IPOB. I want igbos to leave Nigeria. It will never be our home even in 1000years. Trust me, the Jews in Europe stayed 2000 years there but were never fully accepted. The holocaust finally forced them to get their own nation.

3) I want an Igbo only Biafra but it MUST be made up of igbophilic igbos not igbo deniers.

4) As long as igbos remain in Nigeria, I only care that they are doing good economically in comparison to other groups and that we continue to use our resources to develope igboland. Simple.

) Dominance of Nigerian politics has not brought the North as much progress as it should have because of their own cultural dysfunction. This doesn't mean an Igbo presidency cannot be transformative for Ndigbo, bringing infrastructure, industries and much-needed political reforms.

2) IPOB is not a serious intellectual movement. It was irredeemably destroyed and discredited as a serious movement when they embraced a charlatan and dabbled into myth-making nonsense (flying Israel flags about and all that) and had no coherent policy or ideology.

3) Ethno-states are not going to magically solve all our problems. People still love to self-segregate for political gain. It wouldn't surprise me if in a Biafran republic, some Elechi Amadi equivalent rises among Ebonyi people for example fanning resentment against other Igbo groups that they might believe oppress them. The main reason such an ethnostate would be unwise though is economic. Quite frankly, the South East is not very naturally endowed by nature: very small, the only geopolitical zone with no international borders, cut off from the sea and all international borders, not particularly endowed with natural/mineral resources. The economic pain in the interim of an immediate schism would be far too great to bear, even if things should progress eventually.

4) I'm sure prosperity for all Igbos in Nigeria is what we want. Not sure how the Biafran agitation would bring that.

horsepower101:


Nigeria will always remain tribalistic. That will never change. It’s was us igbos that didn’t realize this critical fact and we have paid dearly for it. We have to become very aggressive in the push for our interest. Stop giving a damn about other tribes before you do things. They have shown consistently that they don’t give a damn about us and are always willing to throw us under the bus to advance their own agenda.

THIS MUST STOP IN THIS GENERATION.

Damn right.

horsepower101:


Nigeria will always remain tribalistic. That will never change. It’s was us igbos that didn’t realize this critical fact and we have paid dearly for it. We have to become very aggressive in the push for our interest. Stop giving a damn about other tribes before you do things. They have shown consistently that they don’t give a damn about us and are always willing to throw us under the bus to advance their own agenda.

THIS MUST STOP IN THIS GENERATION.

We should have dumped GEJ in 2015. We would have easily produced VP

Some of you are trying to argue something with me that I never said. Let's not start down this road.

PabloAfricanus said one thing right and did one thing wrong. He spoke the truth. Igbo has so far proven itself unable to effectively engage in national politics as a block. However, his exposé (if we can call it that), which he used to attempt to buttress his point, is where he got it wrong. It is essentially an overstatement of the Igbo enweghi eze saying. I'd have seen no issue with him simply mentioning the general lack of polity for national politics and leaving it at that, but he overstated it to the point of claiming a complete lack of political structures in the region (save for some his attempt at honorable mentions). Essentially, he lied by conflating the misconception of pre-colonial Igbo political culture with real issue of Igbo failing at national politics in Nigeria today. That is why i stated that the actual content of his post interferes with the points he was making.

There are only two specific statements that I can identify which I can say resonate the truth without the overstatement.

PabloAfricanus:
And why are Igbos so confused about their place in Nigerian politics?

PabloAfricanus:
Igbos need to learn how effectively interact in a modern political setup. This gives other ethnic groups a handle to effectively engage with.

The italicized emphasis above are mine.

The above two statements (one of which is a good rhetorical question that nationalistic Igbo should ponder on) are good summations of his point, which are indeed truthful. Anyone who is fighting the message here is being dishonest with themselves, and anyone who is arguing the merits of pre-colonial political culture relative today is conflating issues and ultimately discussing something that does little for the topic at hand.

horsepower101:


Nigeria will always remain tribalistic. That will never change. It’s was us igbos that didn’t realize this critical fact and we have paid dearly for it. We have to become very aggressive in the push for our interest. Stop giving a damn about other tribes before you do things. They have shown consistently that they don’t give a damn about us and are always willing to throw us under the bus to advance their own agenda.

THIS MUST STOP IN THIS GENERATION.

Tribalism is the very oil and life blood of Nigeria since the cross carpeting in Western House of Assembly in 1952.All and any Pan Nigerian dream died and remained so till date. Also from then until now,Igbos are the whipping child of the union and we have lost dearly for being forthright and steadfast for the truth.Being an evil contraption,others deride us and describe it as not being "politically savvy"! Whatever da f/uck that means! Now you see why it hurts some of us much when our own and other ethnicities try to make light of our plight and history or cast subtle aspersion in the process . Once upon a time on this thread,some so called Igbo forumites started another self-loating rubbish about Igbos being proud and all that without even showing a shred of evidence. When this is placed beside the excesses of other groups,you will discover we are learners in vices and villainy. Take it furthermore and you see why characters like Joe Igbokwe,Okoroawusa,Nwa Mkpi Ngige,OUK and the wasted lots who are lackeys to our detractors deserve to be burnt alive.
The north once again showed the rest of the country how atavistic politics the zoo deserved goes. They provide tacit and covert support to Boko Haram ,Herdsmen and the murderous almajiri mobs by using their nuisance value to appropriate more values.Can someone tell me if there has ever been recorded conviction of perpetrators of civil disturbances in the north by the mobs from 1945 till date? Even Sanusi has blood of Gideon Akaluka on his hands! But try just mere civil disturbance in Igbo land or South South and you see litters of trash talk everywhere! smh! Nigerians all subconsciously conceded defeat to Buhari in 2015 because they are all afraid of violence that may ensue in the north by the foot mobs if Buhari is not elected. This a verifiable and valid point. Meanwhile,the proliferation of underage voting and other irregularities in that election were enough to cancel the entire process or even force a rerun.
It is time to live,breathe and eat tribalism! No more gentleman in this union! At least,it will even assist to quickly implode this contraption faster than sissy peace talks.

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2) IPOB is not a serious intellectual movement. It was irredeemably destroyed and discredited as a serious movement when they embraced a charlatan and dabbled into myth-making nonsense (flying Israel flags about and all that) and had no coherent policy or ideology.

What about the Yorubas? How has OBJ presidency upgraded the living standard of an ordinary Yoruba man above that of Ndiigbo? I agree though, an Igbo patriotic President would help us get somethings . Like giving AIIA real investment and policies needed to thrive as an international airport.

2) IPOB is not a serious intellectual movement. It was irredeemably destroyed and discredited as a serious movement when they embraced a charlatan and dabbled into myth-making nonsense (flying Israel flags about and all that) and had no coherent policy or ideology.

IPOB refused to learn from history. Multiethinic Biafra with Igbophobic entities down South, and with middle belt groups as NK was propagating, is fundamentally flawed and doomed to fail from the very beginning. We still have the South Sudan to learn from.

) Ethno-states are not going to magically solve all our problems. People still love to self-segregate for political gain. It wouldn't surprise me if in a Biafran republic, some Elechi Amadi equivalent rises among Ebonyi people for example fanning resentment against other Igbo groups that they might believe oppress them. The main reason such an ethnostate would be unwise though is economic. Quite frankly, the South East is not very naturally endowed by nature: very small, the only geopolitical zone with no international borders, cut off from the sea and all international borders, not particularly endowed with natural/mineral resources. The economic pain in the interim of an immediate schism would be far too great to bear, even if things should progress eventually

I disagree strongly with this. The strongest ingredient of prosperous first would countries in the old world, is the quality of the human resources, harnessed and set forth to a unified purpose by a progressive governance.
Unified purpose is better achieved in mono ethnic or atleast overwhelmingly homogeneous ethnic setting. Take a look at the advanced Nations, in the world, Germany, Japan, China (over 92% ethnic Han), etc, they have a populace United by shared purpose.
The greatest resources in modern world is human resources, and no part of black Africa is more endowed with quality human resources than Igboland, and we still have huge reserve of natural gas, yet untapped.
Rwanda and Ethiopia both are landlocked, yet very progressive African nations, much better than Nigeria in terms of progress, and same is applicable to Botswana.
Ndiigbo will be fine outside Nigeria federation, if it's well planned.

4) I'm sure prosperity for all Igbos in Nigeria is what we want. Not sure how the Biafran agitation would bring that.[

True. But sensible Igbos know that Nigeria can never amount to anything other than failure it had always been.
A union of diametrically diverged groups with irreconcilable differences, Nigeria can never achieve the cohesion and unity of purpose needed for progress.
An Igbo nation would be largely homogeneous, mostly Christianized, with populace with similar mindset. It would all result to a people of same idiosyncrasies pulling in one direction, leading to progress.

ChinenyeN:
Some of you are trying to argue something with me that I never said. Let's not start down this road.

PabloAfricanus said one thing right and did one thing wrong. He spoke the truth. Igbo has so far proven itself unable to effectively engage in national politics as a block. However, his exposé (if we can call it that), which he used to attempt to buttress his point, is where he got it wrong. It is essentially an overstatement of the Igbo enweghi eze saying. I'd have seen no issue with him simply mentioning the general lack of polity for national politics and leaving it at that, but he overstated it to the point of claiming a complete lack of political structures in the region (save for some his attempt at honorable mentions). Essentially, he lied by conflating the misconception of pre-colonial Igbo political culture with real issue of Igbo failing at national politics in Nigeria today. That is why i stated that the actual content of his post interferes with the points he was making.

There are only two specific statements that I can identify which I can say resonate the truth without the overstatement.




The italicized emphasis above are mine.

The above two statements (one of which is a good rhetorical question that nationalistic Igbo should ponder on) are good summations of his point, which are indeed truthful. Anyone who is fighting the message here is being dishonest with themselves, and anyone who is arguing the merits of pre-colonial political culture relative today is conflating issues and ultimately discussing something that does little for the topic at hand.

How can you blame Igbo issues in national politics on Igbos alone?
Igbo had always stood as a block in national politics. Factors beyond our control , mostly emanating from resentment other Nigerians have towards us, had led to us often being sidelined in national politics.

The Northern Bourgeoisie and the Yoruba Bourgeoisie have conspired to keep the Igbo out of the scheme of things. In the recent transition when the Igbo solidly supported the PDP in the hope of an Ekwueme presidency, the North and South-West treated this as a Biafra agenda. Every rule set for the primaries, every gentleman´s agreement was set aside to ensure that Obasanjo, not Ekwueme emerged as the candidate. Things went as far as getting the Federal Government to hurriedly gazette a pardon. Now, with this government, the marginalistion of the Igbo is more complete than ever before. The Igbos have taken all these quietly because, they reason, they brought it upon themselves. But the nation is sitting on a time-bomb.https://www.nigerianbulletin.com/threads/yorubas-are-the-problem-with-nigeria-by-sanusi-lamido-sanusi-elombah-com.111348/

This was the current Emir of Kano words.
Currently, Atiku is being harassed into not buying into Igbo VP, by being told that an Igbo VP would generate resentment from Nigerians towards him. Notice the attempt by Yorubas to Igbonize Atiku candidature, the aim is simple, they are trying to appeal to the Igbo resentment ingrained in the very genetic make up of average Nigerians, and use it against Atiku,in such a way that Atiku would consider Igbo VP more of a liability, than an asset
They did the same to Agbaje in 2015 Lagos elections. Agbaje candidature was Igbonized to make it unappealing to other Nigerians in Lagos. Immediately Ambode fell out with Tinubu, Yorubas rushed and Igbonized Ambode too, to make him unattractive to average Yoruba persons.
You seem to not understand the dynamics at work in Igbo political dilemma in Nigerian politics.

Pazienza, I have yet to make any statements touching on or referring to any sort of blame, responsibility or any otherwise known or unknown factors. The purpose of my post was to address my response to PabloAfricanus and to bring [my understanding of] the more important questions and considerations to the forefront of this topic.

Regardless of the factors, responsibilities and blame, Igbo is currently is a predicament that it has to learn to deal with effectively with regards to Nigerian national politics. That is the extent of my statement in those posts.