TATIME:
The main subject of debate is whether something survives the man after death. Of course this is something that's difficult to resolve because according to the Bible "nothing survives after a man dies. Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 & 9:4-10
But due to so many events of dead persons appearing to those living and doing one thing or another that's affecting the living positively or negatively, most people now believe that something still survives man after death. So many Bible students have been meditating on comments made by Bible characters and making references to them in concluding on what to believe. At 1Samuel 28:3-25 there something confusing happened so that most people now finds it more difficult to believe that nothing survives man after death. But the book of Genesis is what JWs based their own conclusions because God told Adam "you will die"(Genesis 2:16,17) at the same time Satan told Eve "you will not REALLY die"(Genesis 3:2,3) Adam wasn't deceived he only joined his wife and Satan to rebel(1Timothy 2:14) Satan have also succeeded in deceiving one third of the angels in heaven to join him in his rebellion, these are the ones supporting the lie Satan told the first couple in the beginning (Revelations 12:4) Satan have been causing confusion everywhere until the birth of Jesus who came and enlightened His followers about all that Satan has been doing. Note that Revelations 12:4 says "the dragon kept standing close to the woman to devour her child" meaning Satan has been waiting for the one coming to unravel all his tactics. But after all his efforts failed,Satan decided to go after TRUE Christians who have learnt from Jesus all Satan's secrets both past, present and future. Revelations 12:17 That's why every religion that claims to believe in the Bible (either in part or full) hate the TRUE Christians(Jehovah's Witnesses). Matthew 10:22,John 17:14) Although these people will be thinking they're worshipping Jesus but the hidden truth is that "they are UNKNOWINGLY working for Satan" 2Corinthians 4:4 compared to Revelations 12:9
God bless you!

I believe the soul is largely subdued after physical death. I say this because the picture of heaven painted in the Bible hardly needs the soul components(intellect, will, emotion) of man any longer. Remember also the bible says there will gnashing of teeth on that day(emotion). That connotes emotion.
The devil came to steal, kill, and destroy and that shouldn't be hard to decipher going by evil happenings around the world today.

Emusan:


So which one did your God say?

My God is not a man or human being..

sonmvayina:

My God is not a man or human being..

And who is serving man or human being as God?

Emusan:


And who is serving man or human being as God?

You do.. So who was making all those quote you are rambling about..?

sonmvayina:

You do.. So who was making all those quote you are rambling about..?

So what is the name of the man or human being I serve as God?
How does my post indicate I serve man or human being as God?

Emusan:


So what is the name of the man or human being I serve as God?

How does my post indicate I serve man or human being as God?

Is jesus not your God?...

sonmvayina:
Is jesus not your God?...

The Bible says The Word of God (which came to this world and became flesh in the person of Jesus) is God.

Besides, don't derail this thread with that...that's not the essence of it but if you feel otherwise, you can create another thread and invite me.

We are spiritual beings (Gods) having a human experience or walking a human path... God is immortal, we are immortal.. Death is nothing but an illusion..

Death in the flesh means birth in the spiritual realm, death in the spiritual realm means birth in the flesh.. Life is a circle not a straight line.. And death is just a point on it..

CodeTemplar:

The human soul to me is comprised mainly of his emotion, intellect and will. These components draw largely from the state of the spirit man which to me is the real man.
The soul along with the body and spirit forms the triune nature and complete man.

I am with you on this. But the JW guy is completely lost when we begin to talk about trinity. Anytime that word is mentioned, their minds flies to three distinct persons working in agreement as gods.

Anas09:

I am with you on this. But the JW guy is completely lost when we begin to talk about trinity. Anytime that word is mentioned, their minds flies to three distinct persons working in agreement as gods.

Keep believing what your Bible did not say. U now wanna delve into another topic (Trinity) foreign to this thread to justify yourself.
Yet your trinitarian creeds (Athanasian creed & the Nicene creed ) contradict each other. Why ? Lies are always contradictory.
U & your father are equal, U & your father are one person. Whatever U have ,he gave U
.Still, U receive orders from him & U have never given him any order to obey..
Confused bunch.
No wonder, una "sense" na over sense.... Lol

Anas09:

I am with you on this. But the JW guy is completely lost when we begin to talk about trinity. Anytime that word is mentioned, their minds flies to three distinct persons working in agreement as gods.

Keep believing what your Bible did not say. U now wanna delve into another topic (Trinity) foreign to this thread to justify yourself.
Yet your trinitarian creeds (Athanasian creed & the Nicene creed ) contradict each other. Why ? Lies are always contradictory.
U & your father are equal, U & your father are one person. Whatever U have ,he gave U
.Still, U receive orders from him & U have never given him any order to obey..
Confused bunch.
No wonder, una "sense" dey over the level of sense.... Lol

OneJ:


Keep believing what your Bible did not say. U now wanna delve into another topic (Trinity) foreign to this thread to justify yourself.
Yet your trinitarian creeds (Athanasian creed & the Nicene creed ) contradict each other. Why ? Lies are always contradictory.
U & your father are equal, U & your father are one person. Whatever U have ,he gave U
.Still, U receive orders from him & U have never given him any order to obey..
Confused bunch.
No wonder, una "sense" dey over the level of sense.... Lol

Lol. You seem to believe that everyone who is not a JW is a Catholic. Guy, unlike you who is bound by what the WatchTower says, i am a Christian, bound by what the Word of God says, not what the Athanasian & the Nicene Creed says. i am not a Catholic but a Christian.

The Athanasian and the Nicene Creed projects a Trinity of three divisible gods. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. And, no where does the Word says there's those three gods. Jesus the Lord, says we shd pray in the Name, (Not names) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is a mystery you can never unravel while behind that desk.

I believe what the Bible teaches. Jehovah is Jesus in Manifestation not a different person. The Word says the Word or its essence was God, and Jesus the Word became flesh and dwelled with men. In Him all the divine essence of Jehovah dwelled. He was the express reflection, manifestation, form, image of God bodily. In Him all fullness dwelled. I don't know how you read the Bible.

What we humans saw and called Jesus was a physical form, but that physical form contained the divine essence of Jehovah the Father, while the physical form became the Son, and the workings or the Influence of the Father is His Holy Spirit. This is too high for your slumbering mind.


I believe in divine trinity, but not of gods, but of aspects and essence of Jehovah.

Just like you can't separate the Heat or Ray from the Sunlight and call them separate entities, so also, you can not separate the Word and the Spirit from the Father.

The Father used a body called Jesus to move about, touching and healing people, and the healings were influenced or enforced by the Spirit and power of Jehovah.

And Philip said 'Lord, show us the Father', and the Lord said, 'Have i been this long with you and yet you don't know me?'.

Do you have any idea what the above assertion by the Lord means? The Lord just told Philip He was Jehovah made manifest in the body called Jesus. You won't understand this with those Watchtower blinders on. JW calls Jesus a god, the Lord is not a god, He is God. Anyways, let me leave you to your devices.

Anas09:

Lol. You seem to believe that everyone who is not a JW is a Catholic. Guy, unlike you who is bound by what the WatchTower says, i am a Christian, bound by what the Word of God says, not what the Athanasian & the Nicene Creed says. i am not a Catholic but a Christian.

The Athanasian and the Nicene Creed projects a Trinity of three divisible gods. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. And, no where does the Word says there's those three gods. Jesus the Lord, says we shd pray in the Name, (Not names) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is a mystery you can never unravel while behind that desk.

I believe what the Bible teaches. Jehovah is Jesus in Manifestation not a different person. The Word says the Word or its essence was God, and Jesus the Word became flesh and dwelled with men. In Him all the divine essence of Jehovah dwelled. He was the express reflection, manifestation, form, image of God bodily. In Him all fullness dwelled. I don't know how you read the Bible.

What we humans saw and called Jesus was a physical form, but that physical form contained the divine essence of Jehovah the Father, while the physical form became the Son, and the workings or the Influence of the Father is His Holy Spirit. This is too high for your slumbering mind.


I believe in divine trinity, but not of gods, but of aspects and essence of Jehovah.

Just like you can't separate the Heat or Ray from the Sunlight and call them separate entities, so also, you can not separate the Word and the Spirit from the Father.

The Father used a body called Jesus to move about, touching and healing people, and the healings were influenced or enforced by the Spirit and power of Jehovah.

And Philip said 'Lord, show us the Father', and the Lord said, 'Have i been this long with you and yet you don't know me?'.

Do you have any idea what the above assertion by the Lord means? The Lord just told Philip He was Jehovah made manifest in the body called Jesus. You won't understand this with those Watchtower blinders on. JW calls Jesus a god, the Lord is not a god, He is God. Anyways, let me leave you to your devices.

LIAR !
No where does your Bible say "pray in the name of the father, son & holy spirit".

The name of my heavenly Father is Jehovah, his son& servant is Jesus Christ.(Ps 83:18. Matt 16:13-17. Eph1:3.) What is the name of the holy spirit ?

"The Father used a body called Jesus to move about...." LIAR !!

"When it says that everything has been put under him , IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF, who put everything under Christ." 1 Cor 15:24,27.
"The word was with the God" John 1:1. already tells U that Christ & his Father Jehovah are different entities but your deluded brain refused to accept it.
Jesus is a God because he called himself "God's son" & he agreed that man is a God. John 10:34-36.
No dey lie against Jesus.
"The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, the God of our fathers has glorified his servant, Jesus" Acts 3:13,26.
Anas09, your "god" became a servant to himself.
Receive sense.

OneJ:


LIAR !
No where does your Bible say "pray in the name of the father, son & holy spirit".

The name of my heavenly Father is Jehovah, his son& servant is Jesus Christ.(Ps 83:18. Matt 16:13-17. Eph1:3.) What is the name of the holy spirit ?

"The Father used a body called Jesus to move about...." LIAR !!

"When it says that everything has been put under him , IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF, who put everything under Christ." 1 Cor 15:24,27.
"The word was with the God" John 1:1. already tells U that Christ & his Father Jehovah are different entities but your deluded brain refused to accept it.
Jesus is a God because he called himself "God's son" & he agreed that man is a God. John 10:34-36.
No dey lie against Jesus.
"The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, the God of our fathers has glorified his servant, Jesus" Acts 3:13,26.
Anas09, your "god" became a servant to himself.
Receive sense.

Lolzzzzzzzz. Like i said, the Watchtower blinders has put your spiritual perceptions to sleep so that, even if i take this whole day expounding to you the mystery of Jehovah's manifestation in the flesh as Jesus, you won't grasp it. And, pls, its not enough to shout Liar, but take up the Scriptures i shall past here and refute them one by one. Don't throw general points to me and tell yourself that you have said something reasonable.

Truth is, you neither know Jehovah nor Jesus so that even if i take you through YHWH grand divine design which even Him the creator could not override, hence subjected Himself under it and came to the earth in the same manner every one does. Didn't the Old Testament foretell that Jehovah will come to the world as the Savour to redeem mankind? When He eventually did, you called Him a servant. lol.

If Jesus is indeed the servant of Jehovah, then pls do tell why He took up all Jehovah's attributes. "The Lord, the eternal King" the Saviour, the Redeemer, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. "the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega" the beginning and the end, the Almighty, the everlasting Father".

And here Isaiah 9:6, gives Him all Jehovah's qualities.
"Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father [or, "father of eternity"], Prince of Peace." An earlier prophecy by Isaiah, found in Isaiah 7:14, gave Him the name Immanuel, which literally means, "God with us." or God manifested.

Even your Bible translation tried to twist the scriptures and make it be what it isn't, but below is Hebrews 1: 10-12 calling Jesus Jehovah the creator. reiterating Ps 102: 25-27.

This refers to Jehovah.
Long ago you laid foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.
[26] They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
[27] But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Here is Hebrews
saying the same thing to Jesus.

At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. [11] They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, [12] and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”

Your own Bible says Jesus is Jehovah the eternal and unchangeable creator.

In the famous prophecy of John the Baptist found in Isaiah 40:3, Jesus is called Jehovah: "A voice is calling, 'Clear the way for [Jehovah] in the wilderness; make smooth in the desert a highway for our God."

Joel 2:32: "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of [Jehovah] Will be [saved]." Both Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 quote that passage, applying the title Jehovah to Christ.


And OneJ, what became a servant is the manifested human form taken from a human being 'Mary, not the essence contained in that body.

Jesus was a dual entity 100% Divine and 100% Human. Just like the body contains the Soul of a man.

Well, this is too high for you, i understand.

Yes the soul is immortal

Emusan:


Then why did Jesus said people can kill the BODY but can't Kill the SOUL?

Let me translate that Matt 10:28 for you as your claim.

"And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the body; rather, fear him who can destroy both body and body in Ge·henʹna NWT Matt 10:28

This is the perfect translation for JWs...

God bless you, these guys are confused . Sincerely

Anas09:

Lolzzzzzzzz. Like i said, the Watchtower blinders has put your spiritual perceptions to sleep so that, even if i take this whole day expounding to you the mystery of Jehovah's manifestation in the flesh as Jesus, you won't grasp it. And, pls, its not enough to shout Liar, but take up the Scriptures i shall past here and refute them one by one. Don't throw general points to me and tell yourself that you have said something reasonable.

Truth is, you neither know Jehovah nor Jesus so that even if i take you through YHWH grand divine design which even Him the creator could not override, hence subjected Himself under it and came to the earth in the same manner every one does. Didn't the Old Testament foretell that Jehovah will come to the world as the Savour to redeem mankind? When He eventually did, you called Him a servant. lol.

If Jesus is indeed the servant of Jehovah, then pls do tell why He took up all Jehovah's attributes. "The Lord, the eternal King" the Saviour, the Redeemer, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. "the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega" the beginning and the end, the Almighty, the everlasting Father".

And here Isaiah 9:6, gives Him all Jehovah's qualities.
"Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father [or, "father of eternity"], Prince of Peace." An earlier prophecy by Isaiah, found in Isaiah 7:14, gave Him the name Immanuel, which literally means, "God with us." or God manifested.

Even your Bible translation tried to twist the scriptures and make it be what it isn't, but below is Hebrews 1: 10-12 calling Jesus Jehovah the creator. reiterating Ps 102: 25-27.

This refers to Jehovah.
Long ago you laid foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.
[26] They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
[27] But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Here is Hebrews
saying the same thing to Jesus.

At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. [11] They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, [12] and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”

Your own Bible says Jesus is Jehovah the eternal and unchangeable creator.

In the famous prophecy of John the Baptist found in Isaiah 40:3, Jesus is called Jehovah: "A voice is calling, 'Clear the way for [Jehovah] in the wilderness; make smooth in the desert a highway for our God."

Joel 2:32: "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of [Jehovah] Will be [saved]." Both Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 quote that passage, applying the title Jehovah to Christ.


And OneJ, what became a servant is the manifested human form taken from a human being 'Mary, not the essence contained in that body.

Jesus was a dual entity 100% Divine and 100% Human. Just like the body contains the Soul of a man.

Well, this is too high for you, i understand.

Kudos! I love your analysis.

Perfectly written.

Anas09

If Jesus is indeed the servant of Jehovah, then pls do tell why He took up all Jehovah's attributes. "The Lord, the eternal King" the Saviour, the Redeemer, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. "the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega" the beginning and the end, the Almighty, the everlasting Father".

And here Isaiah 9:6, gives Him all Jehovah's qualities.
"Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father [or, "father of eternity"], Prince of Peace." An earlier prophecy by Isaiah, found in Isaiah 7:14, gave Him the name Immanuel, which literally means, "God with us." or God manifested.

There is no ambiguity, here is reasons why

Col.1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him(Jesus the son) should all fulness dwell;

Col. 2:9 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead(that is divinity) bodily.

John 14:10-11
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works 'sake.

God made Jesus the son everything he is. Jesus came to serve so as such he is a servant leader. It all depends on where you are looking from.

Even your Bible translation tried to twist the scriptures and make it be what it isn't, but below is Hebrews 1: 10-12 calling Jesus Jehovah the creator. reiterating Ps 102: 25-27.

This refers to Jehovah.
Long ago you laid foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.
[26] They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
[27] But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Here is Hebrews
saying the same thing to Jesus.

At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. [11] They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, [12] and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”

Still you don't need to look further

1 Cor.15:27-28

27 For he(Jehovah) hath put all things under his(Jesus) feet. But when he(Jehovah) saith all things are put under him(Jesus), it is manifest that he(Jehovah) is excepted, which did put all things under him(Jesus).

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him(Jesus), then shall the Son also himself(jesus) be subject unto him(Jehovah) that put all things under him(Jesus) , that God(Jehovah) may be all in all.

All in brackets are my emphasis

Your own Bible says Jesus is Jehovah the eternal and unchangeable creator.

In the famous prophecy of John the Baptist found in Isaiah 40:3, Jesus is called Jehovah: "A voice is calling, 'Clear the way for [Jehovah] in the wilderness; make smooth in the desert a highway for our God."

Joel 2:32: "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of [Jehovah] Will be [saved]." Both Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 quote that passage, applying the title Jehovah to Christ.

The name of God(Yahweh) is in Jesus the son. He Jesus also carries the name of his father and declares it to us.

John 17:26.
"And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:"

In the end He shall also come in the glory of his father.

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

And OneJ, what became a servant is the manifested human form taken from a human being 'Mary, not the essence contained in that body.

Jesus was a dual entity 100% Divine and 100% Human. Just like the body contains the Soul of a man.

Well, this is too high for you, i understand.

The body does not contain the soul of a man but rather the entire body of man is the living soul.

When God formed man(Adam) he did not put a soul in Adam he breathed spirit of life into the clay and it became a living soul. The same way at death when the spirit of life depart from the body it becomes a dead soul.

God did not create man and put a soul into him rather man became a soul at the fusion of the breath of life(spirit) with the dust(body) and man became a soul.

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The reverse of man's creation is what we experience at death

Ecc.12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Everything becomes clearer if only we let the scripture divide itself by itself.

Shalom aleikhem

Maamin:


There is no ambiguity, here is reasons why

Col.1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him(Jesus the son) should all fulness dwell;

Col. 2:9 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead(that is divinity) bodily.

John 14:10-11
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works 'sake.

God made Jesus the son everything he is. Jesus came to serve so as such he is a servant leader. It all depends on where you are looking from.



Still you don't need to look further

1 Cor.15:27-28

27 For he(Jehovah) hath put all things under his(Jesus) feet. But when he(Jehovah) saith all things are put under him(Jesus), it is manifest that he(Jehovah) is excepted, which did put all things under him(Jesus).

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him(Jesus), then shall the Son also himself(jesus) be subject unto him(Jehovah) that put all things under him(Jesus) , that God(Jehovah) may be all in all.

All in brackets are my emphasis



The name of God(Yahweh) is in Jesus the son. He Jesus also carries the name of his father and declares it to us.

John 17:26.
"And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:"

In the end He shall also come in the glory of his father.

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.




The body does not contain the soul of a man but rather the entire body of man is the living soul.

When God formed man(Adam) he did not put a soul in Adam he breathed spirit of life into the clay and it became a living soul. The same way at death when the spirit of life depart from the body it becomes a dead soul.

God did not create man and put a soul into him rather man became a soul at the fusion of the breath of life(spirit) with the dust(body) and man became a soul.

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The reverse of man's creation is what we experience at death

Ecc.12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Everything becomes clearer if only we let the scripture divide itself by itself.

Shalom aleikhem

Jesus is the human manifestation of Jehovah short and simple.

tamethem:


Kudos! I love your analysis.
Perfectly written.

Shalom Aleikhem.

Anas09:
Shalom Aleikhem.

Peace bro.

tamethem:

Peace bro.

I'm a Sis. lol.

Anas09:
I'm a Sis. lol.

OK sis.

Maamin:


There is no ambiguity, here is reasons why

Col.1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him(Jesus the son) should all fulness dwell;

Col. 2:9 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead(that is divinity) bodily.

John 14:10-11
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works 'sake.

God made Jesus the son everything he is. Jesus came to serve so as such he is a servant leader. It all depends on where you are looking from.



Still you don't need to look further

1 Cor.15:27-28

27 For he(Jehovah) hath put all things under his(Jesus) feet. But when he(Jehovah) saith all things are put under him(Jesus), it is manifest that he(Jehovah) is excepted, which did put all things under him(Jesus).

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him(Jesus), then shall the Son also himself(jesus) be subject unto him(Jehovah) that put all things under him(Jesus) , that God(Jehovah) may be all in all.

All in brackets are my emphasis



The name of God(Yahweh) is in Jesus the son. He Jesus also carries the name of his father and declares it to us.

John 17:26.
"And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it:"

In the end He shall also come in the glory of his father.

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.




The body does not contain the soul of a man but rather the entire body of man is the living soul.

When God formed man(Adam) he did not put a soul in Adam he breathed spirit of life into the clay and it became a living soul. The same way at death when the spirit of life depart from the body it becomes a dead soul.

God did not create man and put a soul into him rather man became a soul at the fusion of the breath of life(spirit) with the dust(body) and man became a soul.

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The reverse of man's creation is what we experience at death

Ecc.12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Everything becomes clearer if only we let the scripture divide itself by itself.

Shalom aleikhem

Maamin. Are you JW?

Anas09:

Maamin. Are you JW?

No! I am not, why do you ask?

Anas09:

Jesus is the human manifestation of Jehovah short and simple.

Exactly.....

The Father God (Jehovah) manifested physically in the person of Jesus Christ in Human form. 1 Tim 3:16...

You are right Ana..

Maamin:

No! I am not, why do you ask?

Never mind. All i have to say is 'Thank God you are not'.

jubianose:

Exactly.....

The Father God (Jehovah) manifested physically in the person of Jesus Christ in Human form. 1 Tim 3:16...

You are right Ana..

God bless you dear.

Anas09:

Never mind. All i have to say is 'Thank God you are not'.

Hmmm, you must be certain of the true denomination going to heaven. If you know any, point me towards the direction

@OneJ. I know this will fly over your head as usual, but let me drop it anyway.

Before Jehovah who became Jesus created the Earth, He first put in place divine laws. divine designs and these designs had patterns and every pattern was made to obeys its forms and maintain their boundaries.

The divine design or pattern is imposed on all things that must exist in this material realm called Earth. God Himself, Humans, animals vegetables, minerals everything. They all reproduce according to their own kind. it's a LAW.

For every animal, whether on two feet or four, whether swimming, flying or crawling to exist on this earth must be reproduced accordingly. An Eagle can not become a Vulture Gold can never become diamond.

It follows also with humans, for any of us to live and walk on earth, he/she must be conceived for nine months. the conception must involved the male and the female, this is because humans are first substance=Spiritual before before they are material =Natural.

Every Child conceived proceeds from the Father. What comes from a father is the substance which is the essence of every human. The child, takes his essence from his father, and takes his body =Flesh from his mother, who acts as a vessel=Container which receives the substance = essence = the Soul of a child and incubates it for a period of nine months.

Without the Vessel = mother, the Child will not have a body = flesh to manifest in the physical world as a person.

T B. C.

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The grand divine design or Law is binding on Jehovah too, because He made the laws to be unbreakable. Hence, for Him to redeem man, there was need for uncontaminated blood. Pls note (There are no two Gods but one) Jehovah is God and the only true God. this is where He needed to bind the heavens and come down Himself as Jesus.

God is Spirit = Substance. When he told Mary 'The Holy Spirit shall overshadow you' He meant, the spiritual substance shall be poured into you, and it did. The substance was incubated in a female = Mary and after nine months a human manifested. Inside this human was still Substance = Spirit = God, but physical we see a form called Jesus. The Form came from Mary while the Substance came from God. Jesus kept saying 'I am in my father and my father is in me'.

That statement is made by the form which emanated from Mary the human. Why? That is because flesh is lower than the Spirit.

Since a human is primarily a substance which comes from the Father, every Child belongs to the Father. The Lord =Form, knew that the Substance inside of Him was God. He also knew that His form which enabled Him walk and talk with men is inferior to the substance, He called His substance Father, and that substance was always inside of Him as He walked and talked on earth, hence he had power over all creatures.

TBC...