iamdrfresh:
I'm an agnostic... I'll come up with why I became one in latter articles but let's reason this together for now.

Growing up as a kid was much fun and on Sundays, extra fun for people like me who were always stuck at home thruout the week.

We were made to understand from that time how devil is the bad guy; how he wants no good thing for us and how he wants us to end up with him in hell... This story I have always believed 100% until a point in my life when I started thinking logically about these things myself

Back to the topic- is God the devil??

Let's to back to the time before Man was created.
God created the angels and He gave them choice - that's the first temptation right there
Devil, being just a victim, took the bait

Fast forward to when he created man into the garden of Eden. He placed d tree of good and evil in the garden( that's another temptation right there)

Also, the devil prolly having nothing to lose again was tempted into deceiving Eve

Eve looked at the tree and saw that it was attractive, she fell for the temptation too

Adam, prolly bcuz he loved his wife(which he never asked for until his rib was stolen while he was sleeping) decided to eat of the fruit too despite knowing the repercussion.

You might be thinking rn "why is this guy muddling things up?? These were never God's intention.."
Well maybe!! But for someone who is the alpha and omega, it'd be a sham if he didn't see this coming.
But since the Bible says "we're created for his pleasure" , maybe we're just characters in his life video game...


I could go on and on with few other examples but I know NLders don't appreciate epistle.

You still wondering who the real tempter is??
For me, I wouldn't say the devil cuz it seems dude was just a victim like everyone else is

CC
OAM4J
LALASTICLALA
FYNESTBOI
mynd44

You are a satanist and a living fool!

Hundredfold4lif:

You are a satanist and a living fool!

Without cogent reason u r calling him satanic, u r sick. Challenge his points and not to com out here with ur dull brain if u can't present ur facts.

darol4real:
My dear, he has the key of this world in his hands and he can do anything he likes....remember that he clean the whole world with flood then.....and he will do it again with fire this time around

He created the world even tho we never asked for it
he decided to put us in there even tho we never asked for it
he gave us choice that we didn't ask for
he made sin look attractive
we fell
he decides to burn us in hell

seriously, who's at fault here??

darol4real:
My dear, he has the key of this world in his hands and he can do anything he likes....remember that he clean the whole world with flood then.....and he will do it again with fire this time around

He created the world even tho we never asked for it
he decided to put us in there even tho we never asked for it
he gave us choice that we didn't ask for
he made sin look attractive
we fell
he decides to burn us in hell

seriously, who's at fault here??

darol4real:
How did DEVIL himself get to know the secret about the tree and not the woman? The devil deludes her and he didn't tell her the consequences of it because he wants to have so many people to fall with him.

"If d foundation be destroyed, what can d righteous do?"

I don't blame d devil for doing that and I don't blame Eve either for yielding
If God had handled it well from the beginning, we won't be where we are right now

I'd rather push d blame to him
He started it

topyhanky:
Can u explain how animals woke up too this morning

I'm sure it's hormonal too
don't know if it's still melatonin

darol4real:
Understanding of who is God is very important. When you don't understand a particular topic in school, what will you do? You will do a lot of research for you to understand that particular topic.

Of all the troubles I have to face in d world, doing research about a being who might not even exist ain't one of them

Brock1:
Nice one bro. U r wise.

If I created man, and he acted against my will, I know d end from the beginning. I would just destroy d man and woman or the Satan, than allowing it to spread for so many years and unto so many generations. after destroying dem, I will create d ones that will do according to my heart desires. God knows wat he is doing he is enjoying the movie we are acting down here.

exactly

everything here is fun to him

For someone who has the ability to change people's mind, maybe he's even the one turning people against himself

iamdrfresh:


exactly

everything here is fun to him

For someone who has the ability to change people's mind, maybe he's even the one turning people against himself

He is oooo, I can remember a part in d Bible where he said to Moses, he will harden d heart of Pharaoh and won't let d children of Israel go, then he(God) will punish Pharaoh and Egyptians for that.


This is a post I want pastors to come out to defend, but u won't see dem since is not issue of � money tithe, offering, pledges, etc even those money they accumulate from congregation supposed to be used for betterment of people (church) but wat u see dem doing most is to build more physical structures and enrich theirselves than to build ppl up.

darol4real:
Is assignment for you. If you study it very well, when they disobeyed him he still went ahead and did something great for them. If you are the one and you gave your children instruction and they disobey you, you discipline them very well.

I hope you're not a teacher. If a student is going astray, explain and not call it an assignment.

well, back in the university, I had a lecturer who uses that phrase "it's an assignment" when he doesn't know it

darol4real:
Let me ask you some deep questions.
Can you explain how your dad sperm (water) turn to who you're today?
Can you explain how you woke up this morning?
Why are you against the only man that gave you life?

yes, I can explain all these, why?

You reduce the Holy God, the almighty, in whose presence the dreadful cherubims and Seraphims stand in awe,


To the devil.... A filth.

You called him that put you together a lair.


if you don't understand some concept, why not keep mute and ask for knowledge?

hmmmm.


Your thought will be your cross when you close your eyes in death.. You won't be able to stand in his presence.

It is your cross to carry..


I will advice that you seek for help and ask for forgiveness...

the end is closer than you think.

iamdrfresh:
I'm an agnostic... I'll come up with why I became one in latter articles but let's reason this together for now.

Growing up as a kid was much fun and on Sundays, extra fun for people like me who were always stuck at home thruout the week.

We were made to understand from that time how devil is the bad guy; how he wants no good thing for us and how he wants us to end up with him in hell... This story I have always believed 100% until a point in my life when I started thinking logically about these things myself

Back to the topic- is God the devil??

Let's to back to the time before Man was created.
God created the angels and He gave them choice - that's the first temptation right there
Devil, being just a victim, took the bait

Fast forward to when he created man into the garden of Eden. He placed d tree of good and evil in the garden( that's another temptation right there)

Also, the devil prolly having nothing to lose again was tempted into deceiving Eve

Eve looked at the tree and saw that it was attractive, she fell for the temptation too

Adam, prolly bcuz he loved his wife(which he never asked for until his rib was stolen while he was sleeping) decided to eat of the fruit too despite knowing the repercussion.

You might be thinking rn "why is this guy muddling things up?? These were never God's intention.."
Well maybe!! But for someone who is the alpha and omega, it'd be a sham if he didn't see this coming.
But since the Bible says "we're created for his pleasure" , maybe we're just characters in his life video game...


I could go on and on with few other examples but I know NLders don't appreciate epistle.

You still wondering who the real tempter is??
For me, I wouldn't say the devil cuz it seems dude was just a victim like everyone else is

CC
OAM4J
LALASTICLALA
FYNESTBOI
mynd44

All this is base on a WRONG premise that God saw it all coming. Not at all, he has one quality called Self Control . Self control means having the power to do something but restraining oneself from doing it.

This was made clear when he asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac , after stopping Abraham from harming his son, he said and I quote " Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, FOR NOW I DO KNOW that you are God fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me " - Genesis 22:12

Emphasis on " Now I do know " . showing he restrain himself from knowing the outcome and allowed Abraham make a choice.

Good evening

iamdrfresh:


He created the world even tho we never asked for it
he decided to put us in there even tho we never asked for it
he gave us choice that we didn't ask for
he made sin look attractive
we fell
he decides to burn us in hell

seriously, who's at fault here??

There is no hell - Genesis 3:19

CAPTIVATOR:


All this is base on a WRONG premise that God saw it all coming. Not at all, he has one quality called Self Control . Self control means having the power to do something but restraining oneself from doing it.

This was made clear when he asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac , after stopping Abraham from harming his son, he said and I quote " Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, FOR NOW I DO KNOW that you are God fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me " - Genesis 22:12

Emphasis on " Now I do know " . showing he restrain himself from knowing the outcome and allowed Abraham make a choice.

Good evening

Pls explain d attribute called omniscience, and wat d Bible said as I am d almighty God, the one that knows the end from d beginning!

Brock1:


Pls explain d attribute called omniscience, and wat d Bible said as I am d almighty God, the one that knows the end from d beginning!

Good question

AS I explained earlier ... God Almighty though having the power to know. DOESN'T USE THAT POWER TO ERODE OUR FREEWILL , its called Self control - Gal 5:22,23 one of his qualities.

This is very evident from what he told Jeremiah when he ask him to go and warn the Israelites , he said "
MAYBE the people will listen this time. And IF they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins. " - Jeremiah 26:3

Take note of the Use of " Maybe " , " IF " display that he doesn't choose to use his power to foreknow or override their freewill , instead he choose to watch as event unfolds. The point is he has Self control

CAPTIVATOR:



Good question

AS I explained earlier ... God Almighty though having the power to know. DOESN'T USE THAT POWER TO ERODE OUR FREEWILL , its called Self control - Gal 5:22,23 one of his qualities.

This is very evident from what he told Jeremiah when he ask him to go and warn the Israelites , he said "
MAYBE the people will listen this time. And IF they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins. " - Jeremiah 26:3

Take note of the Use of " Maybe " , " IF " display that he doesn't choose to use his power to foreknow or override their freewill , instead he choose to watch as event unfolds. The point is he has Self control

good one, but we never asked for d free will?!
Let say u created a Being, and u now place life and death before d being, u automatically av ulterior motives, and wia did u even got d option of death (evil) from? Jus cari am commot from d being dat is naive.

U av a baby, u placed water and fire before d baby, d baby will definitely test d two, no matter ur warning.

Brock1:



good one, but we never asked for d free will?!

I get your point bro.

But Forced Love or Heartfelt love... Which would you prefer ?

God want us to serve him with our " power of Reason " Romans 12:1 i.e deciding for ourselves to love him NOT that he made us machines.

Let say u created a Being, and u now place life and death before d being, u automatically av ulterior motives, and wia did u even got d option of death (evil) from? Jus cari am commot from d being dat is naive.

U av a baby, u placed water and fire before d baby, d baby will definitely test d two, no matter ur warning.

Let address the bold.

Death refers to a state on non living or non existence . as evidenced by Genesis 3:19 where he told Adam you are dust and to DUST you shall RETURN.

So not that he brought death but rebellion to him means someone prefer to be nonexistence that live. So in that case , Presenting life and death means , if you love the GIFT of life, obey this instruction that will guide and make your life meaningful dear , but if you feel nonexistence Or the state you were before you were born is better , then you can decide to live anyhow you like and forsake the guide I gave you

Not convincing at all, call me ur senior pastor. U shy away from main point.

CAPTIVATOR:

I get your point bro.

But Forced Love or Heartfelt love... Which would you prefer ?

God want us to serve him with our " power of Reason " Romans 12:1 i.e deciding for ourselves to love him NOT that he made us machines.



Let address the bold.

Death refers to a state on non living or non existence . as evidenced by Genesis 3:19 where he told Adam you are dust and to DUST you shall RETURN.

So not that he brought death but rebellion to him means someone prefer to be nonexistence that live. So in that case , Presenting life and death means , if you love the GIFT of life, obey this instruction that will guide and make your life meaningful dear , but if you feel nonexistence Or the state you were before you were born is better , then you can decide to live anyhow you like and forsake the guide I gave you

God and devil=two sides of the same face!!!

CAPTIVATOR:


All this is base on a WRONG premise that God saw it all coming. Not at all, he has one quality called Self Control . Self control means having the power to do something but restraining oneself from doing it.

This was made clear when he asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac , after stopping Abraham from harming his son, he said and I quote " Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, FOR NOW I DO KNOW that you are God fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me " - Genesis 22:12

Emphasis on " Now I do know " . showing he restrain himself from knowing the outcome and allowed Abraham make a choice.

Good evening

God is supposed to be omniscient!

Omniscience

Omniscience is the capacity to know everything including the future. In monotheistic religions, such as Sikhism and the Abrahamic religions, this is an attribute of God.~Wikipedia

johnydon22:


If i have a cup of poison, and i don't want my children to drink it, i'd either not bring it home at all, throw it away or keep it on a shelf where it is impossible for them to reach.

Only a terrible father keeps what he doesn't want his children to eat it right in front of them..

i Hate God. Bleep God

Niflheim:
God and devil=two sides of the same face!!!

And its a very human face.

Pasako:
i Hate God. Bleep God

lol. You are a misotheist. How and why exactly do you hate God?

Pasako:
i Hate God. Bleep God

Brock1:
Not convincing at all, call me ur senior pastor. U shy away from main point.

Do you get the message at all ?

Which main point ?

Dantedasz:


God is supposed to be omniscient!

Omniscience

Omniscience is the capacity to know everything including the future. In monotheistic religions, such as Sikhism and the Abrahamic religions, this is an attribute of God.~Wikipedia

Too many wrong assumptions.

What do you saw from that verse I gave ?


" Now I know " " MAYBE they will listen " . he doesn't use that power to override our freewill.

Op u are being the devil

For accusing a holy GOD

I have one simple question for the Christians, why do you think the Christians that finally make it to heaven on the last day won't sin or rebel against God?

You might wanna say there would be no Satan by then so there would be no evil, right? OK good if satan God's angel can rebel against God who are we mere mortal, we might do more evil. Remember Satan was trust worthy he just woke up one day and had that thought.

What am trying to say is that the heaven and hell stuff won't end evil in this world, they are in us waiting for us to activate it just like the Satan did when he was in heaven.

The Devil works for God. Nothing can work against God in the first place. Everything is a part of his will, including the fall of man.

CAPTIVATOR:

Too many wrong assumptions.

What do you saw from that verse I gave ?


" Now I know " " MAYBE they will listen " . he doesn't use that power to override our freewill.

Meaning God knows what we will do but wants to see whether he can be wrong but finds out later he can't be wrong because he knows everything in the first place and can never know no wrong. In short, God is using man for his amusement because....., Well he can.

KayceeBanks:

Meaning God knows what we will do but wants to see whether he can be wrong but finds out later he can't be wrong because he knows everything in the first place and can never know no wrong. In short, God is using man for his amusement because....., Well he can.

Not true

The moment it comes to our freewill, he doesn't use that power means he chooses NOT to know what we will do .

Evidenced by " Now I Know " @ Genesis 22:12