KraticKratus:

a religion based on guesswork.

Naive.

blueAgent:



Where did you get your information from?

From the old testament... Tanakh.

blueAgent:




Its obvious you are confused.

Did you read those passages? No prophet ever reported or prophesy that the Messiah was coming to die for sins, there was already a solution to that problem in the old testament..

sonmvayina:


Did you read those passages? No prophet ever reported or prophesy that the Messiah was coming to die for sins, there was already a solution to that problem in the old testament..

You lie.

I guess this Bible verses are not in your Bible.

Isaiah 53:5 ESV / 183 helpful votes
But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed.


Isaiah 53:1-12 ESV / 119 helpful votes
Who has believed what he has heard from us?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been
revealed? For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed. ...

sonmvayina:


Did you read those passages? No prophet ever reported or prophesy that the Messiah was coming to die for sins, there was already a solution to that problem in the old testament..

The Jews knew and wrote about the coming of Jesus who was to die for the sins of the World.

Throughout the Hebrew
Scriptures, the promise of a
Messiah is clearly given. These
messianic prophecies were made
hundreds, sometimes thousands
of years before Jesus Christ was
born, and clearly Jesus Christ is
the only person who has ever
walked this earth to fulfill them. In
fact, from Genesis to Malachi,
there are over 300 specific
prophecies detailing the coming of
this Anointed One. In addition to
prophecies detailing His virgin
birth, His birth in Bethlehem, His
birth from the tribe of Judah, His
lineage from King David, His
sinless life, and His atoning work
for the sins of His people,the
death and resurrection of the
Jewish Messiah was, likewise, well
documented in the Hebrew
prophetic Scriptures long before
the death and resurrection of
Jesus Christ occurred in history.
Of the best-known prophecies in
the Hebrew Scriptures concerning
the death of Messiah, Psalm 22
and Isaiah 53 certainly stand out.
Psalm 22 is especially amazing
since it predicted numerous
separate elements about Jesus’
crucifixion a thousand years
before Jesus was crucified. Here
are some examples. Messiah will
have His hands and His feet
“pierced” through (Psalm 22:16;
John 20:25). The Messiah’s bones
will not be broken (a person’s legs
were usually broken after being
crucified to speed up their death)
(Psalm 22:17; John 19:33). Men
will cast lots for Messiah’s
clothing (Psalm 22:18; Matthew
27:35).
Isaiah 53, the classic messianic
prophecy known as the “ Suffering
Servant” prophecy, also details the
death of Messiah for the sins of
His people. More than 700 years
before Jesus was even born, Isaiah
provides details of His life and
death. The Messiah will be rejected
(Isaiah 53:3; Luke 13:34). The
Messiah will be killed as a
vicarious sacrifice for the sins of
His people (Isaiah 53:5–9; 2
Corinthians 5:21). The Messiah
will be silent in front of His
accusers (Isaiah 53:7; 1 Peter
2:23). The Messiah will be buried
with the rich (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew
27:57–60). The Messiah will be
with criminals in His death (Isaiah
53:12; Mark 15:27).
In addition to the death of the
Jewish Messiah, His resurrection
from the dead is also foretold. The
clearest and best known of the
resurrection prophecies is the one
penned by Israel’s King David in
Psalm 16:10, also written a
millennium before the birth of
Jesus: “For You will not abandon
my soul to Sheol; Nor will You
allow Your Holy One to undergo
decay.”
On the Jewi

sonmvayina:


From the old testament... Tanakh.

Which one is Tanakh? all this articles and books you are reading will only confuse you the more which is already obvious.

The only sure book which is the word of God is the Bible.

blueAgent:


God said he will turn Satan to ashes and you are saying that Satan will not die.

abeg help me quote your translation

Assuming you refer to the devil as a “bad” being, of course it can die. The fact is that bad still exists in the world today, therefore you can say the devil is still “alive”. One day when goodness is at maximum potency, it will vanquish bad from existence. Then you can say the devil will be dead.

Ubenedictus:
abeg help me quote your translation

Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Is there anything written above that is complex to understand?

theoriginalgood:
Assuming you refer to the devil as a “bad” being, of course it can die. The fact is that bad still exists in the world today, therefore you can say the devil is still “alive”. One day when goodness is at maximum potency, it will vanquish bad from existence. Then you can say the devil will be dead.

I never said the Devil is already dead, what i wrote is that the Devil is destructible and will be destroyed by God at the end of this World.

blueAgent:



Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Is there anything written above that is complex to understand?

is this also too complex to understand?


The word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man,
take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to
him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says

Ubenedictus:




is this also too complex to understand?


The word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man,
take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to
him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says

How does this contracdict what i wrote in the article?

Like i said before the King of Tyre reffered to in that Bible verse is not the earthly king of Tyre but Satan i gave enough reasons and evidence.