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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by 61mech: 3:12pm On Oct 30, 2018
These ranking are completely useless. For instance if you apply them to 1991 Iraqi military, the US coalition would have lost GW1, the Iraqi army would have rolled over ISIS in 3 weeks in 2016 and the Saudi Army would have decimated the Houthis in about 30 minutes.
You cannot look at militaries in a vacuum and come to a conclusion as to its warfighting capability.

Do these nr. relate to military and political leadership and decision making ?
Do commanders have free reign to plan/execute battles at a tactical level or is there political interference?
Does the gov. have the general support of its population (nationalism) or are you
dragging oppressed citizens kicking and screaming into a conflict they have no appetite for?
Equipment and troop readiness? Are they well paid with high morale and esprit de corps ?
Professional or conscript army ?
Military age fighting population ?
Do they regularly train at Bn./Div. level exercises in combined arms formations ?
Industrial and engineering capability that can be converted expanded to war production?
Is the gov (military) funded by a large and healthy tax base that can be expanded during wartime ?
Or is it funded by a resource based economy that can be blockaded/sanctioned ?
Does the country have diplomatic power and alliances with major powers ?

etc.etc.etc

If you want to judge a country's ability to fight a war you've better of reading some history books than Janes Defence weekly.









Henry240:

There's no complete list for both Nations. However information can be gotten.

On the navy side, South-Africa has a better equipped navy to deal with a conventional threat. Nigeria on the other hand has a far better navy to deal with an unconventional threat.

On the Air Force side, capabilities are complementary. They lack capable ISR platforms, we have more attack helicopters than they do. We have dedicated CAS in the shape of the Tucano, they don't. With the JF-17 now confirmed, the Nigerian Air Force now has a 4th Generation fighter jet to complement with the F-7. The Nigerian Air Force also has a dedicated special operations unit, a capability not available in the SAAF.


On the ground, Nigeria has a larger, more experienced army. On the armour side, the South-Africans have more armour in certain areas than Nigeria. While we have more tanks and artillery than they do.

Capabilities vary and complement in different areas.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 4:40pm On Oct 30, 2018
61mech:
These ranking are completely useless. For instance if you apply them to 1991 Iraqi military, the US coalition would have lost GW1, the Iraqi army would have rolled over ISIS in 3 weeks in 2016 and the Saudi Army would have decimated the Houthis in about 30 minutes.
You cannot look at militaries in a vacuum and come to a conclusion as to its warfighting capability.

Do these nr. relate to military and political leadership and decision making ?
Do commanders have free reign to plan/execute battles at a tactical level or is there political interference?
Does the gov. have the general support of its population (nationalism) or are you
dragging oppressed citizens kicking and screaming into a conflict they have no appetite for?
Equipment and troop readiness? Are they well paid with high morale and esprit de corps ?
Professional or conscript army ?
Military age fighting population ?
Do they regularly train at Bn./Div. level exercises in combined arms formations ?
Industrial and engineering capability that can be converted expanded to war production?
Is the gov (military) funded by a large and healthy tax base that can be expanded during wartime ?
Or is it funded by a resource based economy that can be blockaded/sanctioned ?
Does the country have diplomatic power and alliances with major powers ?

etc.etc.etc

If you want to judge a country's ability to fight a war you've better of reading some history books than Janes Defence weekly.










This! This! This!

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 5:12pm On Oct 30, 2018
[quote author=EMW01 post=72523373]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CCp5g4Zki8
Slightly off topic; review of the SCAR H by former navy seals. Probably explains why Uncle Sam has been extremely generous to KDF with their free toys.[/quote

Wow! The KDF field reports are ALL POSITIVE! Firstly the weight he complains about is from all the tactical addons;the laser,'scope and grip. He actually liked the ambidextrous nature but moans about the charging handle being on the left(!?). Ofc 7.62 NATO is heavy but a SEAL frankly shouldn't cry about only a mere 140 round loadout. Its too big for FIBUA but different tools for different tasks: you don't take a Formula 1 racer on a Kruger/Serengeti game drive or a Land Cruiser VX to Monte Carlo/Kyalami circuit.
I do know its as accurate as he claims but what steel core ammo was this jamming? It feeds FMJs,JHPs and RNs as easily as a G3 or FN. Also did he adjust the gas regulator piston shown here causing fouling? Also,AFAIK,they were all paid for not gifted.

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:16pm On Oct 30, 2018
South-African Special Forces

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:18pm On Oct 30, 2018
jln115:
Rankings also don't include net centric warfare capability: Data links, C2 systems, Bluefor tracking systems, Satellite systems,Radio/communication systems, Radar systemSouth Africa is the only other country that has developed and operates a defence wide tactical data link.


Only affrican country that have developed a data link yes , but egyptian moroccan armies use advanced tactical data link 16 for their F16 block 52 and LX16 alternative datalink for mirage , same for algeria with the russian TKS-2/R-098 for sukhoi 30 mka





http://www.g2tcg.com/tactical-communications-group-awarded-contract-to-deliver-a-multi-link-ground-support-system-to-royal-moroccan-air-force-rmaf/
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:21pm On Oct 30, 2018
BAE Systems Hornet with Type 63 107mm MRL

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:32pm On Oct 30, 2018
Mi 24 MkIII , Mi 28 NE combo cool

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:52pm On Oct 30, 2018
First pics of algerian CH 4 MALE UAV and CH 3 UAV smiley

Pics during today exercise

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:54pm On Oct 30, 2018
South-African Special Forces RDRV, special forces vehicle

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:55pm On Oct 30, 2018
Nigerian Air Force MI-35m

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:59pm On Oct 30, 2018
Nigerian Special Forces Vehicle.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:08pm On Oct 30, 2018
Last algerian army small exercice today . nice views of the mi 28 NE and most importance first pics of the CH 4 UAV and CH 3 UAV . no official contract have been published before delivry .


Start at 01:04 to 03:04


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5nRCdZ5DlI

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:19pm On Oct 30, 2018
Mi 26 T2 beast

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:21pm On Oct 30, 2018
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:09pm On Oct 30, 2018
Algerian1:
First pics of algerian CH 4 MALE UAV and CH 3 UAV smiley

Pics during today exercise
I'm even surprised Algeria is only purchasing these now.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 11:05pm On Oct 30, 2018
Algeria welcome to the club

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:38pm On Oct 30, 2018
Henry240:

I'm even surprised Algeria is only purchasing these now.

Algeria have tested many uav these last years .the CH4 have been evaluated during long months in 2014 , even two CH4 crashed in 2014 during tests in algeria .

but with alcomsat 1 satellite that was launched only last year december 2017 and have been fully operational only this few months . its the good time to get the CH4 uav with satelitte control and full potential .
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:59pm On Oct 30, 2018
bidexiii:

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Really..... undecided
Well was actually just trying to point out that cosmetic enhancements are in fact upgrades be it minor or quite substantial as in this case.......When you start upgrading the actual firing system then what you are in fact doing is creating an entirely different rifle.

I think the above was what Henry240 was trying to point out.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:21am On Oct 31, 2018
Algerian1:



Only affrican country that have developed a data link yes , but egyptian moroccan armies use advanced tactical data link 16 for their F16 block 52 and LX16 alternative datalink for mirage , same for algeria with the russian TKS-2/R-098 for sukhoi 30 mka





http://www.g2tcg.com/tactical-communications-group-awarded-contract-to-deliver-a-multi-link-ground-support-system-to-royal-moroccan-air-force-rmaf/ All modern fighters come equipped with Data links to share information between them Link 16 being the standard in Data link in US exported fighters , even our Gripen came with SAABs own Data Link although we use Link ZA instead.

What I'm talking about is a Defence wide tacticle Data link(Not just Data links used on air platforms), one were information can be shared by all platforms be it air to air, air to ground and ground to ground......Something like Link 22 or Link 16( not reduced to air platforms only).






Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:22am On Oct 31, 2018
Algerian1:



Only affrican country that have developed a data link yes , but egyptian moroccan armies use advanced tactical data link 16 for their F16 block 52 and LX16 alternative datalink for mirage , same for algeria with the russian TKS-2/R-098 for sukhoi 30 mka





http://www.g2tcg.com/tactical-communications-group-awarded-contract-to-deliver-a-multi-link-ground-support-system-to-royal-moroccan-air-force-rmaf/






All modern fighters come equipped with Data links to share information between them Link 16 being the standard Data link in US exported fighters and TKS-2/R-098 for Sukhoi fighters , even our Gripen came with SAABs own Data Link although we use Link ZA instead.

What I'm talking about is a Defence wide tacticle Data link(Not just Data links used on air platforms), one were information can be shared by all platforms be it air to air, air to ground and ground to ground......Something like Link 22 or Link 16( not reduced to air platforms only).
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:23am On Oct 31, 2018
LTGEN:

Don't be too sure about that.
I'll be happy to eat my word if you prove me wrong.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by EMW01: 6:29am On Oct 31, 2018
[quote author=kikuyu1 post=72541220][/quote]

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10NAIROBI9_a.html
As regards funding and equipment , the Kenya Special Operations Force(KSOF)/Ranger Strike Force ( including elements of the 20th parachute batallion) are the only units that use the SCAR H. The article shows that they were initially trained, mentored and equipped by Uncle Sam.

The total investment from section 1206 funding has been 40 million USD for the Ranger Strike force. Section 1206 grants the Secretary of Defense the authority to train and equip foreign military forces.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110708231354/https://www.conferences.state.gov/RM/programevaluation2011/Related%20Documents/Defense%20Workshops/3Ds%20in%20Nairobi%20-%20An%20overview%20of%20diplomacy%2C%20development%2C%20and%20defense%20at%20the%20U.S.%20Mission%2C%20Nairobi%2C%20Kenya.pdf

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 7:39am On Oct 31, 2018
EMW01:


https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10NAIROBI9_a.html
As regards funding and equipment , the Kenya Special Operations Force(KSOF)/Ranger Strike Force ( including elements of the 20th parachute batallion) are the only units that use the SCAR H. The article shows that they were initially trained, mentored and equipped by Uncle Sam.

The total investment from section 1206 funding has been 40 million USD for the Ranger Strike force. Section 1206 grants the Secretary of Defense the authority to train and equip foreign military forces.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110708231354/https://www.conferences.state.gov/RM/programevaluation2011/Related%20Documents/Defense%20Workshops/3Ds%20in%20Nairobi%20-%20An%20overview%20of%20diplomacy%2C%20development%2C%20and%20defense%20at%20the%20U.S.%20Mission%2C%20Nairobi%2C%20Kenya.pdf

Hmmm....my own info is that its the M4 which was initially problematic. It would fire the first mag perfectly but jam on the second. It seemed to be an issue with the feed lips;the vibration would cause failure to feed. A KAFTEC student figured out the prob and did an adjustment which AFAIK is now standard for all M4s. Btw,quite a few of the first KDF KIAs 2011-2012 WERE CAUSED BY THIS ISSUE.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:03am On Oct 31, 2018
South-African Special Forces

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:05am On Oct 31, 2018
Nigerian made bulletproof vest, smoke and signal grenades.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 12:46pm On Oct 31, 2018
Algerian1:
Mi 26 T2 beast

You do know I admire all your Russkie stuff,despite what some people here think of them! Which is why I rmbr this Chechnya MI 26 shootdown with pain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtFIlfq65wY

Sorry! Couldn't find a better vid-they lost an entire coy! It actually survived the missile but landed in a minefield. Ofc,your brass is better than risking a huge ,slow platform in an active war theatre,though.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:56pm On Oct 31, 2018
Nigerian Air Force cool cool

Coming soon to the Nigerian Air Force

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 1:02pm On Oct 31, 2018
Algerian1,what do you know of the Sahrawi war between Polisario and Morocco? I only know its over the iron and phosphate rich W Sahara occupied by Morocco and the war began in 1975 til 91. We've always supported them and they have a Nairobi embassy and actually I'm embarrassed to say I know nothing more!
The last are Sahrawi rebels.

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by SternProphet: 1:20pm On Oct 31, 2018
Henry240:
Nigerian Air Force cool cool

Coming soon to the Nigerian Air Force
YEAAAH
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by SternProphet: 1:23pm On Oct 31, 2018
jln115:
All modern fighters come equipped with Data links to share information between them Link 16 being the standard Data link in US exported fighters and TKS-2/R-098 for Sukhoi fighters , even our Gripen came with SAABs own Data Link although we use Link ZA instead.

What I'm talking about is a Defence wide tacticle Data link(Not just Data links used on air platforms), one were information can be shared by all platforms be it air to air, air to ground and ground to ground......Something like Link 22 or Link 16( not reduced to air platforms only).
Some of these datalinjs give supplier countries spectator seats on all military operations you are doing in your country. It won't even take much. An officer in some boring office in the NSA will mi e troves of info on humdreds of ongoing military operations. Bots will do the hard job for him.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:32pm On Oct 31, 2018
SternProphet:

YEAAAH
I just hope Nigeria doesn't go for a desert camouflage pattern.

With the Tucano, do you think there would be an urgent need for a targeting pod with this aircraft?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:36pm On Oct 31, 2018
South-African Special Forces

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