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chisco82:
You will agree with me that the best way to learn is to learn in your mative language.
Why learning Hebrew language when i have the Bible in my own language?
Beside his arguement was baseless in the sense that he was n't argueing so we can learn or think about it rather he was doing that to tell/prove to a useless point that God does n't exist so religion was fraud. He said he is an atheist and looking for people he will deceive and draw along with him.
Yes he never type those rubish in muslim/islam thread because he knew the consequences.

Learning the Bible in your language is good but leave the names as they are written and pronounced by the owner of the language. That way, there will be no issue like this. Imagine someone learning Yoruba and changing the name of Eledumare to something else. Yes you can argue that that is what you has in mind but the fact remains that you have changed the original word.

WetinConsignMe:
In defense of Seun, he, like most smart people, likes vigorous intellectual argument. But u can't do that with moslems unless u want a fatwa placed on your head. With them there is nothing like argument. It is "u agree with me or I come after u"

Muslims like intellectual argument the problem is the abuse and insults some people bring on board.

Lukuluku69:
It is not that simple. A name is a name anywhere. There is no way you can vocalise Yahusha in any language and come out with Jesus. It is that simple. His name is Yahusha ask the Yahudis thy will tell you it has the same signification with Joshua. Why write Joshua for one and write Jesus for another?

oga, but there's power in the name of Jesus. What can any other name do that Jesus cannot do again?

The proper name Jesus /ˈdʒiːzəs/ used in the English language originates from the Latin form of the Greek name Ἰησοῦς ("Iēsous", a rendition of the Hebrew Yeshua (ישוע‎), also having the variants Joshua or Jeshua. In a religious context, the name refers to Jesus, the central figure of Christianity.


What is Jesus name in Hebrew and what does it mean?
It means "Yahweh [the Lord] is Salvation." The English spelling of Yeshua is “Joshua.” However, when translated from Hebrew into the Greek language, in which the New Testament was written, the name Yeshua becomes Iēsous. ... They mean "Savior" and "the salvation of the Lord."Apr 16, 2018


What is Jesus's full name?
The name Jesus is derived from the Latin Iesus, a transliteration of the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iesous). The Greek form is a rendering of the Hebrew ישוע‎ (Yeshua), a variant of the earlier name יהושע‎ (Yehoshua), or in English, "Joshua". The name Yeshua appears to have been in use in Judea at the time of the birth of Jesus.

What does iesous mean in Hebrew?
The word Jesus is the Latin form of the Greek Iesous, which in turn is the transliteration of the Hebrew Jeshua, or Joshua, or again Jehoshua, meaning "Jehovah is salvation." ... During the Hellenizing period, Jason, a purely Greek analogon of Jesus, appears to have been adopted by many.


The spelling "Jesus" does not reflect the Greek pronunciation, as there is no "J" in Greek. Yashua's Greek name begins with an iota. The name is transliterated IESOUS and sounds like ee-ay-soos. Since the entire New Testament is written in Greek, not Hebrew, it suggests that God does not consider it inappropriate to use a name or title for Christ in keeping with that of another language or culture. The New Testament repeatedly calls the Hebrew Messiah by Greek names, several of them.

Lukuluku69:
Muslims like intellectual argument the problem is the abuse and insults some people bring on board.

Yeah? Try politely telling a group of muslims that u honestly believe Mohammed made up the Koran and that there is nothing like Allah. Either your dental formula will be rearranged or u will disappear completely

HE is right! Jesus wasn't the name Gabriel told Mary, the name is Yeshua. And all other biblical names were not pronounced the way we're doing today.
But it was TRANSLITRATIION that led to all that changes! Truthfully speaking it becomes funny when a twenty first century man stands before his contemporaries and starts speaking,shouting just banking on a transliterated name as if that's how Mary used to call her son!
It is the truth but since we're all used to that pronunciation and we're aware that the person in question is the Nazarene born by a virgin girl who later had more than five other children,it's OK let's continue calling Him Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah)

adoniza:
What about the terrorists, are they part of God's plan too?

Of course they are. What's your point.

adoniza:
But that shouldn't be a problem since we all know the "who" it's intended for. These day's many people also bear the name Jesus as well, so that ambiguity also applies to it somehow as well.

Isn't it better to stick to a person's Original name in the language that it was given rather than leaving it open to all kinds of translations?

If Segun travel's to the U.K, his name should continue to be what it is, Segun, not to be converted to the English translated version "Victor".

Its it better?

But people speak in tongues and use neither name yet the Spirit still understands. What do u say to that?

akeensbussy:
The proper name Jesus /ˈdʒiːzəs/ used in the English language originates from the Latin form of the Greek name Ἰησοῦς ("Iēsous", a rendition of the Hebrew Yeshua (ישוע‎), also having the variants Joshua or Jeshua. In a religious context, the name refers to Jesus, the central figure of Christianity.


What is Jesus name in Hebrew and what does it mean?
It means "Yahweh [the Lord] is Salvation." The English spelling of Yeshua is “Joshua.” However, when translated from Hebrew into the Greek language, in which the New Testament was written, the name Yeshua becomes Iēsous. ... They mean "Savior" and "the salvation of the Lord."Apr 16, 2018


What is Jesus's full name?
The name Jesus is derived from the Latin Iesus, a transliteration of the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iesous). The Greek form is a rendering of the Hebrew ישוע‎ (Yeshua), a variant of the earlier name יהושע‎ (Yehoshua), or in English, "Joshua". The name Yeshua appears to have been in use in Judea at the time of the birth of Jesus.

What does iesous mean in Hebrew?
The word Jesus is the Latin form of the Greek Iesous, which in turn is the transliteration of the Hebrew Jeshua, or Joshua, or again Jehoshua, meaning "Jehovah is salvation." ... During the Hellenizing period, Jason, a purely Greek analogon of Jesus, appears to have been adopted by many.


The spelling "Jesus" does not reflect the Greek pronunciation, as there is no "J" in Greek. Yashua's Greek name begins with an iota. The name is transliterated IESOUS and sounds like ee-ay-soos. Since the entire New Testament is written in Greek, not Hebrew, it suggests that God does not consider it inappropriate to use a name or title for Christ in keeping with that of another language or culture. The New Testament repeatedly calls the Hebrew Messiah by Greek names, several of them.

Yeah, yeah, good thesis, but the early Christians, the best, didn't know any of this yet were Spirit filled wonder workers

TATIME:
HE is right! Jesus wasn't the name Gabriel told Mary, the name is Yeshua. And all other biblical names were not pronounced the way we're doing today.
But it was TRANSLITRATIION that led to all that changes! Truthfully speaking it becomes funny when a twenty first century man stands before his contemporaries and starts speaking,shouting just banking on a transliterated name as if that's how Mary used to call her son!
It is the truth but since we're all used to that pronunciation and we're aware that the person in question is the Nazarene born by a virgin girl who later had more than five other children,it's OK let's continue calling Him Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah)

Reasonable enough

BlackAdam55:
your sister is coming to Nigeria are you coming along with her too

Who is my sister?

adenine02:
His argument is never baseless

People hated him because he attacks Pastors who deceives people

Besides his point is more than the language

I believe Christianity is a way of life

Let assume you are igbo man raised in yoruba community will you adopt the fully the language spoken in the community as your own and even teach to your children ignoring your own

No bro NO


This is why the Jews, Arab, Hindu, Chinese, Moslems etc are different


This is the point I'm trying to make

These people follow their original way of life

Don't look at this people as primitive, this is why they can be identify with there believes

But Christianity; believes changes with time

That's why people now worship pastors instead of God


Shalom

Exactly, at the embolden. God gave us the word to teach us the way he wanted us to live but man turned the word into a religion.

WetinConsignMe:
The Person I follow cannot be painted anywhere. He is Spirit. He Himself said no images should be made

Is white Jesus in your church?

WetinConsignMe:
Of course they are. What's your point.

My point is that based on your submission about God and his intentions, we can safely conclude that all evil or sins originates from God because they're all his intentions, and we humans are only living out what God has already predestined to happen.

So all terrorists and in fact, all sinners cannot be held responsible for their sins or crimes, simply because God intended them to do it.

Is this correct?

WetinConsignMe:
But people speak in tongues and use neither name yet the Spirit still understands. What do u say to that?

There's no universal consensus on the correct way to speak in tongues, so we can't always claim that god understands them.

Kakakak yeprimo ventrimi lele sha sha tempremo Jesusu nemeni

Some people still manage to include names when speaking in tongues. And you can't say they're not doing it right cause there's no standard.

So there's no proof that God understands it.

adoniza:
There's no universal consensus on the correct way to speak in tongues, so we can't always claim that god understands them.

Kakakak yeprimo ventrimi lele sha sha tempremo Jesusu nemeni

Some people still manage to include names when speaking in tongues. And you can't say they're not doing it right cause there's no standard.

So there's no proof that God understands it.

The understanding is that God understands u even b4 u open your mouth, yet here u r saying God may not understand and insisting that only original given names will do!!

khiaa:
Is white Jesus in your church?

Of course not. Did u read my post?

adoniza:
My point is that based on your submission about God and his intentions, we can safely conclude that all evil or sins originates from God because they're all his intentions, and we humans are only living out what God has already predestined to happen.

So all terrorists and in fact, all sinners cannot be held responsible for their sins or crimes, simply because God intended them to do it.

Is this correct?

U r now delving into something beyond our paltry human understanding. Everything is working according to God"s plan, YET we have free will. Does that answer your question?

WetinConsignMe:
Of course not. Did u read my post?

When you go to your church is there a picture of white Jesus hanging in there? Nigerians loooove white Jesus.

khiaa:
When you go to your church is there a picture of white Jesus hanging in there? Nigerians loooove white Jesus.

U mean Roman Catholics. Almost all of the rest of the Christian world abide by the biblical injunction not to have images.
NO!!! There is none! Does that answer your question?

chisco82:
Honestly sir, you are begining to annoy me with your raps and rhethoricals about christianity. You said you are an atheist, why forcing yourself on issues that has to do with christian faith, why can't you mind your believe for God's sake or are you an agent of the devil sent to decive those of little faith? I don't see you comenting in this manner on any Islam post or thread.
Please stop coming into the christian thread to argue what you don't know. Christian faith is not logic.
Please can you and freez should tell us where how the "J" in Judah & Jerusalem comes about.

Don't you mind them brother, why must they attack what they already said does not exist, my guess is FEAR ! since men are tripartite being, the spirit, soul and body,there is always this vacuum in our soul that only God can fill and occupy, the God of the Universe can't be explained by human logic and reasoning, some day ,somehow everybody would stand before the Great Judge of all mankind and be judged,Daddy Freeze is scared because He is denying what he knew Exist and the emptiness of his soul is been revealed to him day in day out, "he whom the god's want to kill,they first make mad"

Lukuluku69:
By this logic, the Muslims that call him Isah are right too?

the Quran calls Jesus Prophet Isah

WetinConsignMe:
U mean Roman Catholics. Almost all of the rest of the Christian world abide by the biblical injunction not to have images.
NO!!! There is none! Does that answer your question?

Yes, it does, thank you.

WetinConsignMe:
U r now delving into something beyond our paltry human understanding. Everything is working according to God"s plan, YET we have free will. Does that answer your question?

It's more confusing.

If God planned everything, and it's all playing out exactly as he planned it, then how is there free will?

If it's all God's plan then you can't do anything different from that plan, so where does free will apply?

WetinConsignMe:
The understanding is that God understands u even b4 u open your mouth, yet here u r saying God may not understand and insisting that only original given names will do!!

If God already knows what we will say even before we open our mouth, then there's no point for us to go ahead to say it. All we have to do is just to think about it and God will immediately understand, right?

And if we decide to go ahead and say it anyway, then the words we use wouldn't matter at all since God already understands what we actually meant, so that way, when praying we can use words like "J man bless us today" and it won't matter, right?

Slangs won't matter since God understands what we actually mean, in fact we can even make it more funkier like "J ma nigger" bless us today. And God will still answer the prayer

Invented or Not, It is working very well for me, for TBJ, for Kumuyi, for Palpacy etc. So daddy freeze shut up. The Fulani Arabs are here creating colonies everywhere.

adenine02:
Bros don't qoute me out of context

It more than the language

Let assume you are igbo man raised in yoruba community will you adopt the fully the language spoken in the community as your own and even teach to your children ignoring your own

No bro NO


This is why the Jews, Arab, Hindu, Chinese, Moslems etc are different


This is the point I'm trying to make

These people follow their original way of life

Don't look at this people as primitive, this is why they can be identify with there believes

But Christianity; believes changes with time

That's why people now worship pastors instead of God


Shalom

How many Jews of the time of Jesus do you think speak Hebrew? Go and read the book of Nehemiah and Ezra then you'll know that they don't even understand their own language any longer. The predominant language in the days of Jesus was not Hebrew that's a fact people then speak more of Greek language. The language in which the new testament was written was Greek. Stop delving into what you do not know. Talking about an Ibo living in southwest Nigeria I have a bunch of them around me here in Lagos the children can't even speak their language they mostly speak Yoruba. Besides that, their names being called by a Yoruba person can not be exactly the same way an Ibo person will call them. The written language in England sometimes ago is French and Latin this is why you find many words in English language today that has Latin or French roots. Stop being mischievous Mr man


Grace to you

If there was no J Tell me where Joseph came from Where Benjamin came from Where Jerusalem came from Where Jacob came from Where Jericho came from

adoniza:
If God already knows what we will say even before we open our mouth, then there's no point for us to go ahead to say it. All we have to do is just to think about it and God will immediately understand, right?

And if we decide to go ahead and say it anyway, then the words we use wouldn't matter at all since God already understands what we actually meant, so that way, when praying we can use words like "J man bless us today" and it won't matter, right?

Slangs won't matter since God understands what we actually mean, in fact we can even make it more funkier like "J ma nigger" bless us today. And God will still answer the prayer

Lol. U can joke but u r begining to get the picture. Why it is important to say Jesus is because it has been proven through EXPERIENCE that that's a name that rattles dark forces. Those forces are not God, they can't tell what u r thinking, they go by what they see and hear. See, I am talking proven experience while u r talking academics and logic

adoniza:
It's more confusing.

If God planned everything, and it's all playing out exactly as he planned it, then how is there free will?

If it's all God's plan then you can't do anything different from that plan, so where does free will apply?

Like I said, u r now delving into area quite beyond our very limited human comprehension.
Scientists have determined there are up to 10 dimensions. Can u even imagine that? 97% of our universe is made up something we know is there but which we have absolutely no idea what it is (dark mstter/energy). And the biggest of all - who created God?!

Rapidlove:
If there was no J
Tell me where Joseph came from
Where Benjamin came from
Where Jerusalem came from
Where Jacob came from
Where Jericho came from

Why do u people always rush to post without reading past posts?

You obviously missed this my post:

Who invented the letter J?

Gian Giorgio Trissino (1478–1550) was the first to explicitly distinguish I and J as representing separate sounds, in his Ɛpistola del Trissino de le lettere nuωvamente aggiunte ne la lingua italiana ("Trissino's epistle about the letters recently added in the Italian language" of 1524.

letter J - Wikipedia

WetinConsignMe:
Like I said, u r now delving into area quite beyond our very limited human comprehension.
Scientists have determined there are up to 10 dimensions. Can u even imagine that? 97% of our universe is made up something we know is there but which we have absolutely no idea what it is (dark mstter/energy). And the biggest of all - who created God?!

Yeah, I've read about dark matter / energy, they're really mysterious