₦airaland Forum

pryme:
I have read your post, I will only say you should speak for yourself.
Coming out to say Ibos are not tribalistic is like saying Nnamdi Kanu believes in one Nigeria.

It's very glaring that Ibos are tribalistic, just look at the large following Kanu has, calling Nigeria a zoo and all the citizens that don't agree with biafra, if you guys were not tribalistic how come no one is calling him to order, even the so called elders have become spineless all of a sudden, to me their silence is only a sign of approval. If you have a problem with bad governance why not call out the leaders and and the dirty politicians, instead you start a war with the entire country calling us names even when most of us are going through the same hell.

Look at nairaland any post that is pro biafra has more likes and shares even if it's the most absurd statement you have ever seen. The reverse is the case if it's anti biafra. Am using biafra because it's like that is now the face of Ibos, any Ibo person that will come out to make a post that conflicts with ipob will be tagged an AFONJA.

I have been here for a very long time, and I saw how it all started.
Calling Lagos a no man's land is not only disrespectful, it shows Ibos are Ingrates.
It's no news that Ibos believe they are the superior tribe that's why they don't want to be a part of anything that they are not the head of, even if they are not competent to handle that position.
my job has exposed me to alot of tribes in this country and you saying Ibos are not tribalistic is a lie.

aribisala0:
And you expect the Nigerian government to buy back Biafran pounds at 1:1
https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lol_idi_amin.gif
Are you not funny

goodnessme1:
you must be an igbo man,because they always stand on what they believe,if they hate you,they will show you they hate you and the reason they hate you,
unlike one tribe that will hate you,but will be the ones accusing you of hating them.

NaijirianKing:
That's an interesting point of view, but I will use facts to dispel what was stated. We need to be honest with ourselves, only once we do that can we move forward as a nation. I will only present facts and let you be the judge.



20 pounds:


I personally know people who lost moneys and properties after the war, moreover if you know any Igbos personally ask them to ask their parents about it, it's an unfortunate part of Nigerian history. I don't think true healing can take place with such a glaring theft in our collective histories. But, besides my personal account, here's the account by Chinua Achebe:

"By the time hostilities ended in 1970, three million Biafrans had died, in contrast to 100,000 casualties on the federal side. Igbos weren't mere casualties of war, Achebe insists, but victims of calculated genocide. Ojukwu, meanwhile, escaped to live in exile in Côte d'Ivoire, inviting accusations of cowardice. Achebe rationalizes this move on the basis that if the Biafran leader had stayed in Nigeria, Gowon would have been less magnanimous and conciliatory towards Igbos after the war.

Igbos were reintegrated into Nigerian society, but still faced economic discrimination. Achebe offers an excerpt of an interview in which Gowon tries to justify the crippling £20 flat fee given to every Biafran wanting to convert their Biafran currency back to the Nigerian Naira. This sense of persecution still persists today: Achebe believes that Igbo people are the engine of Nigeria's advancement, stifled by a corrupt elite that prefers power and mediocrity to meritocracy. Igbo ostracization, he says, is "one of the main reasons for the country's continued backwardness". Some might call this supremacism, but Achebe is ultimately a Nigerian patriot who sympathizes with ordinary Igbos, rather than any broad Igbo power structure."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/10/chinua-achebe-biafra-review

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/07/14/world/few-traces-of-the-civil-war-linger-in-biafra.html

https://allafrica.com/stories/201106280842.html

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/usaafricadialogue/cDsOsCpYvDw

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2014.936700



In regards to the Indigenization Decree, here is a link to a NY Times Article written at the time the Decree was promulgated by Gowon. This was done at the same time Igbo lost their money and main economic city of PH, this wwas done to permanently lock the Igbos out economically. Here is a link to the original NY Times Article & other basic information:

Nigeria's'Indigenization’ Policy Under Fire

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/30/archives/nigerias-indigenization-policy-under-fire.html

https://www.jstor.org/stable/721406?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/25.htm

MeanChris:
Hmm odiegwu o

Bros let me advice you..
I have given this my tribe the Igbos a lot of thought and have seen that there is NOTHING anyone can do to Igbos to take them down. I promise you, even if Buhari wins next year, Igbos will NEVER SUFFER.
Let me even give you a small expo..
Everyone I know right now is seriously buying forex because we are even seriously considering that Buhari will win again. I will tell you this, if you like agree or disagree, if Buhari wins.. the economy is going dooown and at the end of the day, who will suffer it, not umu Igbo at allll.
Get productive with your life, stop hating on Igbos because that is just who we are.. productive and prosperous people.
I believe I made no hate speech in my response and I was being kind. Take the advice or leave it, cause if you're waiting for a day that Igbos will suffer or be cut down (according to you), it will never come.

The worst mistake Nigeria will ever do is to grant Igbos their request for Biafra cause bros.... igbos will fly. In 30 years, we'll colonize Nigeria (ask saraduna if you think I'm wrong)

I'm sorry but this is the obvious..
Vote for Buhari let's see who will suffer at the end of the day
Lol

NaijirianKing:
You have to understand how Nigeria was structured at that time, Awolowo oversaw everyone in government except those directly in the military. He was essentially the "Prime Minister" or very powerful "SGF" of today, or the highest ranking civilian. All policies directed internally had to pass through Awo and could only be superseded by one of the higher ranking military officers. This was a check and balance used by the military against the civilian forces. So any major policy that came out had to have Awolowo's blessing as he had far-reaching powers. This may be hard to accept that he wasn't "perfect," but even the most well-meaning politicians of today have their flaws, both religious and tribal.

Check out this link:
http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/25.htm

Awo's push for more civilian power and his ultimate urge to emerge as a civilian president put animosity between him and the military elites.

NaijirianKing:
There is not really hate, but more a collective disappointment towards certain Yoruba leaders by Igbos that is imputed to the collective body, and unfortunately Igbo, and many other ethnic groups judge the group by who they revere as their "leaders."

If we are being sincere, Igbos have the example of Awolowo by which to judge the whole Yoruba race, right or wrong, the group is judged by who they revere as the their leaders. Igbos remember that it was an Igbo man who was to execute Awo, but instead freed him because of inherent justice and Awo made the agreement to pull the Yoruba nation out of Nigeria, only to break the promise within 3 months of making such a deal.

Moreover, when Awolowo was Minister of Finance and instituted the 20 pounds fiasco - which was an outright theft of bank account balances belonging to Igbos totaling hundreds of millions of dollars today, very few Yoruba came out to call out the blatantly ethnic disenfranchisement. Furthermore, due to the losses taken by the Federal troops on the battlefields, it was Awolowo who backed the policies of simply killing unarmed civilians as a tool of war, today such would have sent him to the Hague.

Igbos see this person as a man who was shown mercy and had his life spared by Igbos only to help kill innocent civilians and steal money from hard working people. As such, Igbos deal with Yoruba with "their history" in view, and any time an individual does something in line with this image, it only becomes more ingrained.

In my personal experience, I've never seen a Yoruba person repudiate Awo for his acts against the collective Igbo people. As such, silence is seen as tacit support, there is a reason Igbos don't massively develop Port Harcourt, which could've rivaled Lagos by now, but the "abandoned property" saga of 60 years ago is still fresh. Accordingly, Igbos will rather cross the Niger or enter the Sahel to invest and develop than to invest more than a duplex in PH, which some even regard as being part of the "Greater Igboland". If Igbo lands were confiscated in large scale in Lagos, Igbos would've simply packed up and developed another area over the last 50 years. Igbos are practical and simply make choices with history in mind.

0monnak0da:
The indigenization decree was promulgated in 1972.
Shagari was the Finance minister then so why do Eboes blame Awolowo for any disadvantage? Stubbornly attributing the decree to him out of hatred ?
You have not advanced any facts just sentiment

fuckboys:
A lot of Nigerians still haven't understood how sofisticated this Igbo tribe is, we were created to domninate and rule. It's in the gene of all igbo men and nothing can be done about it, maybe unless you wipe out the entire Igbo race

Now this is not about been rude and boastful, this is how we were created and there's nothing we can do about it

Which tribe is leading in technology?
Pharmaceutical?
Sports? (Our supereagles and golden eaglets)
Business?
Education? ( Please other tribes, what tribe is that student that's been topping your class in primary, secondary and tetiary?, I bet my balls I already know the tribe)


Britain did a very big mistake, they should never have added this sophisticated and troublesome tribe into the Nigerian map, I'm sure they're still regretting it. They should have left the tribe to thrive on it's own. Now this tribe is gonna single handedly tear the map apart. They fought a war already, and they're still hungry for more wars? Dafuk

0monnak0da:
You just talk like a radio
At what time?
Structure? What the hell are you talking about?
Awolowo resigned in 1971 and Shagari was the Finance minister when the indigenization decree was promulgated in 1972
You just cook up some fantasy inspired by akpu poisoning and expect us to swallow it

KANUISALIVE:
Northerners call themselves AREWA

Westerners says the are people of Oduduwa

But when the Easterners mention the name BIAFRA there comes this murmuring from hell.

Yorubas don't travel as it seems all yorubas are from Lagos

Travel to any city in nigeria, checkout for places were Igbos resides and see how the area is, no land is given to them as (Ama-Igbo) yet the buy lands and build shops, houses (mansions) for themselves.

The northerners are given portions of land in the East e.g there is ama-hausa in almost every state in Igboland allocated to hausa, some places like new artisan, new garriki and many new extension are occupied by the northerners and the worst of all is that those places given to these set of people are known to be dirty, messed up, some how like a jungle for drug users unlike how the Easterner build houses, shops and offices in there region.

I was born and brought up in Jos and i have traveled to Saminaka in Kaduna, Sabon gari in Kano, i have spent time in Abuja visited places like Maraba, Nyanya, Jabi, Utako, Area 1 - where it stops and in all my sojourn i have discovered that Easterners are incharge of progress in those places.

They said One Nigeria and the Igbos left there place of origin with hope that nigeria was one, i don't blame them.

The fear of progress is the cause of this hatred, all those hating on Igbos and Easterner at large are those whom there fore fathers and fathers sold there land to the Igbo and now the are hating on the Easterners as some are waiting for war so the can partake in abandon property but this time Insurance will cover the properties of Easterners.

God blessed the Hausas, Yorubas and Igbos in different ways but some fail to see there blessing instead the envy others. No matter where an Easterner finds him/her self the person will surely cope even in mist of intimidation.

If you guys are hating on us because of the name Biafra then you can continue hating. Begging will never be our tradition

0monnak0da:
That is the problem with Eboes you reason like children and do not know the difference between fantasy and reality.
You need to face facts.
Awolowo resigned. Something an Eboe man would never do .
He was not around when the indigenization decree was promulgated

NaijirianKing:
During the war and slightly after, Awo was in charge of financial policies of Nigeria. Please see the link below. Let's only deal in facts.


Why Awolowo resigned from Gowon’s government


Chief Obafemi Awolowo, the late Premier of the old Western Region and leader of opposition in the First Republic was Vice Chairman of Federal Executive Council and Finance Minister (Federal Commissioner) during the General Yakubu Gowon regime.
When Awolowo (Awo for short) was in charge of the country’s finances, Nigeria embarked upon many infrastructural projects and even executed a three-year civil war without borrowing money.

However, at a point, Awolowo decided to move on.

Link:
https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2016/09/17/why-awolowo-resigned-from-gowons-government/

NaijirianKing:
After the Nigerian civil war, from 1970-1971, Shagari was appointed by the military head of state General Yakubu Gowon as the federal commissioner for economic development, rehabilitation and reconstruction.

Shagari was not the minister of Finance. Moreover, you have to understand how Nigeria was structured at that time, Awolowo oversaw everyone in government except those directly in the military. He was essentially the "Prime Minister" or very powerful "SGF" of today, or the highest ranking civilian. All policies directed internally had to pass through Awo and could only be superseded by one of the higher ranking military officers. This was a check and balance used by the military against the civilian forces. So any major policy that came out had to have Awolowo's blessing as he had far-reaching powers, if Awolowo said no it was final, unless Gowon stepped in, which was rare if at all.

Link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shehu_Shagari#Political_career

Westbestside:
[s][/s]Carry your useless lie to hour family. Which igbo man release awo, which awo killed innocent civilian. Oga, the truth is out. Ojukwu is to blame for igbo starvation. Robert s goldstein, a man who worked with ojukwu revealed the truth.

https://drbiggie./2013/11/19/open-letter-to-odumegwu-ojukwu-by-robert-s-goldstein-during-the-civil-war/

http://thenationonlineng.net/revealed-how-ojukwu-rejected-food-aid-for-starving-biafrans/

NaijirianKing:
Please see the link:

https://books.google.com/books?id=fe9dD5kIY0MC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=awolowo+indigenization+decree&source=bl&ots=jd1eHOGs_H&sig=cfjX_5IIxjwoRsfY7IfciD-5pic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3pLiJw9LeAhVCMt8KHWLhCCYQ6AEwA3oECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=awolowo%20indigenization%20decree&f=false

0monnak0da:
Shagari was the Minister of finance after Awo resigned from 1971 to 1975

Westbestside:
Opportunity was given during regional system of government. Why did igbo not thrive then, why waiting for another 30years. Abi na by mouth una dey take thrive?

NaijirianKing:
During the war and slightly after, Awo was in charge of financial policies of Nigeria. Please see the link below. Let's only deal in facts.


Why Awolowo resigned from Gowon’s government


Chief Obafemi Awolowo, the late Premier of the old Western Region and leader of opposition in the First Republic was Vice Chairman of Federal Executive Council and Finance Minister (Federal Commissioner) during the General Yakubu Gowon regime.
When Awolowo (Awo for short) was in charge of the country’s finances, Nigeria embarked upon many infrastructural projects and even executed a three-year civil war without borrowing money.

However, at a point, Awolowo decided to move on.

Link:
https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2016/09/17/why-awolowo-resigned-from-gowons-government/

https://books.google.com/books?id=fe9dD5kIY0MC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=awolowo+indigenization+decree&source=bl&ots=jd1eHOGs_H&sig=cfjX_5IIxjwoRsfY7IfciD-5pic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3pLiJw9LeAhVCMt8KHWLhCCYQ6AEwA3oECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=awolowo%20indigenization%20decree&f=false

Westbestside:
Opportunity was given during regional system of government. Why did igbo not thrive then, why waiting for another 30years. Abi na by mouth una dey take thrive?

NaijirianKing:
Please click on this link so you'll see the full picture:

https://books.google.com/books?id=fe9dD5kIY0MC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=awolowo+indigenization+decree&source=bl&ots=jd1eHOGs_H&sig=cfjX_5IIxjwoRsfY7IfciD-5pic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3pLiJw9LeAhVCMt8KHWLhCCYQ6AEwA3oECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=awolowo%20indigenization%20decree&f=false

Awo left his work, but used his career and position to fight Igbos. This are just the facts.

0monnak0da:
I am not interested in bogus links

The indigenization decree was promulgated in 1972 fact

Awolowo left Gowon government in 1971 and Shagari took over

Westbestside:
Yorubas don't travel, the ones in america, europe, asia and australia must be igbos. Or do you mean travel to east?

KANUISALIVE:
When i say travel, i mean within the country besides you can't compare even though abroad.

There is a saying that any place you don't find an Igbo person run because there is no progress there

fergie001:
You cannot remain in Politics Section of Nairaland and not tend towards been a tribalist or bigot........unless you have a "sound mind"....
"There is nothing more dangerous than the conscience of a bigot" (G.S)
It is the same thing I have always said...that Igbos are brought up not to hate....the problem we have is once you are not aboki or Yoruba,you are "omo Igbo"(whether Akwa-Cross,Edo or even Bayelsa)....they don't know the difference and don't want to know...
I was born and spent all my life(except for education& NYSC) in the SW,and have been lucky to have very good friends who don't care where I come from.
I have seen bad people across tribes...hence the problem isn't in the tribe but in the man.
Now,it is expedient for political reasons....and the "divide and rule tactics" is working fantastically...Well,for literate minds we don't subject to that campaign of calumny...which has spread like wildfire and the painful thing is younger Igbos have caught the bug and have joined in the trail of heavy bigotry.
Everything now is surrounded by your tribe before anything works or happens...I walk around and the Yorubas I live with and see everyday are a far cry from what I see on NL,So I am not moved...I will still praise Ibadan,where I stayed and respect till date....thumbs up for their religious tolerance....God bless them.
During politics,politicians who will end up dividing us become detribalised,once money is involved....they become detribalised...Once,they have issues and don't get what they want,we now know their tribe and religion.....
I have advised a lot of Igbos here who in turn have abused me vehemently,but do I care? Do not join in the bandwagon afonja shit and the rest you abuse them with...when they are done,they will go and rest...when someone abuses you consistently and you ignore,they become the fool..... (A thief is not as ashamed as his father)...but,
I also understand that most like me are within the 20s & early 30s,where everything is seen as fun and exuberance.
I always imagine why I should fight for a tribe I was born into..Why should I fight someone because he abused my tribe,did I make myself Igbo,Yoruba or Hausa? I had no choice,I was born into it.

I will also implore that young people refrain from the bigotry, irrespective of tribe even though,I know some Neanderthals will see all this on the prism of politics.......Stand tall @ all times......
God bless Nigeria.