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EgunMogaji:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqiaNPsC69g

Mexican parents who have a US citizen child, moves to city near the US/Mexico border on the Mexican border. Parent puts child across the border to board bus to school.

@RadAutoWorks, what fees did the parents contribute to their kids getting US education, hospital, social services?

I can understand as a family person and the potential usefulness to the US society if these kids should become the next Einstein BUT........

That is exactly why anchor babies should not be citizens. Video is pure insanity.

OyinbowithaTan:
That is exactly why anchor babies should not be citizens. Video is pure insanity.

And they want people to believe that the US government is not already aware of this?

They are but don't care.

OyinbowithaTan:
That is exactly why anchor babies should not be citizens. Video is pure insanity.

So you and I are effectively raising these children from our taxes. We are raising our own children and those of tourist parents.

The parents pay zero towards education, social services, hospital, infrastructure, taxes. Absolutely zero. And they get food at school too.

Beautyaddy:
And they want people to believe that the US government is not already aware of this?

They are but don't care.

Hence why Trump is popular. In his own way he is saying things that is obvious.

1) Grab em by the "name of feline". We all know that rich folks play to a different set of rules.

2) Shoot someone in the middle of central park and still be voted in. Very true, it's possible.

3) Shithole country. Let's be honest with each other here. I'm about to spend N1M to sink a borehole in my site. I had to pay to get a prepaid meter that is supposed to be free. We gained independence in the sixties for the love of god.

On and on and on.

I am not a Trump guy categorically but ......

EgunMogaji:
So you and I are effectively raising these children from our taxes. We are raising our own children and those of tourist parents.

The parents pay zero towards education, social services, hospital, infrastructure, taxes. Absolutely zero. And they get food at school too.

Yes all true, and those women also get to deliver baby at hospital for free. And any complications with the child is also free for them.

EgunMogaji:
So you and I are effectively raising these children from our taxes. We are raising our own children and those of tourist parents.

The parents pay zero towards education, social services, hospital, infrastructure, taxes. Absolutely zero. And they get food at school too.

I get your argument but the trade-off is an investment in the future. America has the best of the best because of this. A lot of them grow up to pay society back x10. It's not like they run back to their countries with what they got here. Also, immigration is was America was created for and is its sole purpose. It's supposed to be a safe Haven for people want more so I don't see the problem.

EgunMogaji:
So you and I are effectively raising these children from our taxes. We are raising our own children and those of tourist parents.

The parents pay zero towards education, social services, hospital, infrastructure, taxes. Absolutely zero. And they get food at school too.

Yes, ain't that something? I totally understand your point of view, but isn't this part of what makes America great? The fact that this country is bound by its own laws; obeys the law even when it's inconvenient and sometimes with negative consequences? How I wish Nigeria would uphold the same principles. In the grand scheme of things, this is part of the cost of upholding American ideals and its civilization.

The cost is insignificant compared to the resources available to this country. On the surface, it appears offensive to we the tax payers, but then, it is legal. Life in America as a whole is very unfair. Think of how medical insurance works. You and I and most insured Americans pay our premiums, and by the grace of God hardly use a fraction of what we pay in. However, an uninsured person can walk into the emergency room in a crisis and is guaranteed medical care. Most do not and will not pay a penny. In addition, 85% of medical costs in America is consumed by a relatively small percentage of seniors on hospital care. They consume multiple times what they put in. The point I'm trying to put across is that the system is designed such that corporations and the working class support the poor, unwilling, old and sick. What do we get in return? The absence of the unpleasantness of people dieing in the streets and safety from revolts with hungry hordes attacking and looting our properties

Lest we forget the most aggregious of examples, our ancestors who paid 400 years of hard labor in America. This has always been the American way, the basis of the American civilization! Monkey dey work, baboon day chop. When a monkey shakes the banana tree, some of the fruit falls to the ground and the baboon feeds too. If the baboon doesn't feed, there is a risk he might become a carnivore and start devouring monkeys. It's a win win situation!

My apologies for waxing philosophical this fine evening. My kindest regards to all who contribute to this interesting discussion.

Mancala:
Yes, ain't that something? I totally understand your point of view, but isn't this part of what makes America great? The fact that this country is bound by its own laws; obeys the law even when it's inconvenient and sometimes with negative consequences? How I wish Nigeria would uphold the same principles. In the grand scheme of things, this is part of the cost of upholding American ideals and its civilization.

The cost is insignificant compared to the resources available to this country. On the surface, it appears offensive to we the tax payers, but then, it is legal. Life in America as a whole is very unfair. Think of how medical insurance works. You and I and most insured Americans pay our premiums, and by the grace of God hardly use a fraction of what we pay in. However, an uninsured person can walk into the emergency room in a crisis and is guaranteed medical care. Most do not and will not pay a penny. In addition, 85% of medical costs in America is consumed by a relatively small percentage of seniors on hospital care. They consume multiple times what they put in. The point I'm trying to put across is that the system is designed such that corporations and the working class support the poor, unwilling, old and sick. What do we get in return? The absence of the unpleasantness of people dieing in the streets and safety from revolts with hungry hordes attacking and looting our properties

Lest we forget the most aggregious of examples, our ancestors who paid 400 years of hard labor in America. This has always been the American way, the basis of the American civilization! Monkey dey work, baboon day chop. When a monkey shakes the banana tree, some of the fruit falls to the ground and the baboon feeds too. If the baboon doesn't feed, there is a risk he might become a carnivore and start devouring monkeys. It's a win win situation!

My apologies for waxing philosophical this fine evening. My kindest regards to all who contribute to this interesting discussion.

Greetings.

Yes, it’s legal. It needs to be discussed and hopefully changed.

USA is one of the few first world countries that still offer this.

I pay my share and have no qualms with the leftover being used for social services and international outreach.

Where I, and a lot of others draw the line is when the system is abused as it is now.

Have a nice evening.

Mancala:
Yes, ain't that something? I totally understand your point of view, but isn't this part of what makes America great? The fact that this country is bound by its own laws; obeys the law even when it's inconvenient and sometimes with negative consequences? How I wish Nigeria would uphold the same principles. In the grand scheme of things, this is part of the cost of upholding American ideals and its civilization.

The cost is insignificant compared to the resources available to this country. On the surface, it appears offensive to we the tax payers, but then, it is legal. Life in America as a whole is very unfair. Think of how medical insurance works. You and I and most insured Americans pay our premiums, and by the grace of God hardly use a fraction of what we pay in. However, an uninsured person can walk into the emergency room in a crisis and is guaranteed medical care. Most do not and will not pay a penny. In addition, 85% of medical costs in America is consumed by a relatively small percentage of seniors on hospital care. They consume multiple times what they put in. The point I'm trying to put across is that the system is designed such that corporations and the working class support the poor, unwilling, old and sick. What do we get in return? The absence of the unpleasantness of people dieing in the streets and safety from revolts with hungry hordes attacking and looting our properties

Lest we forget the most aggregious of examples, our ancestors who paid 400 years of hard labor in America. This has always been the American way, the basis of the American civilization! Monkey dey work, baboon day chop. When a monkey shakes the banana tree, some of the fruit falls to the ground and the baboon feeds too. If the baboon doesn't feed, there is a risk he might become a carnivore and start devouring monkeys. It's a win win situation!

My apologies for waxing philosophical this fine evening. My kindest regards to all who contribute to this interesting discussion.

Probably nothing in that video is legal. Giving citizenship too anchor is probably illegal. Laws can be enforced or not enforced. A country either has laws and borders or it does not.

radautoworks:
I get your argument but the trade-off is an investment in the future. America has the best of the best because of this. A lot of them grow up to pay society back x10. It's not like they run back to their countries with what they got here. Also, immigration is was America was created for and is its sole purpose. It's supposed to be a safe Haven for people want more so I don't see the problem.

There is no evidence to support this. Nobody even knows how many illegals are in the USA. Immigration laws exist. You champion no laws.

OyinbowithaTan:
Probably nothing in that video is legal. Giving citizenship too anchor is probably illegal. Laws can be enforced or not enforced. A country either has laws and borders or it does not.

Not sure what you're referring to as illegal in that video. The children, who are U.S. citizens, cross the border legally everyday to get on a school bus. The video clearly shows them being swiped in...dunno but likely with a passsport card. Its all on the up and up. Like I said, it may be offensive to some, but it's all legal. Anchor citizenship as far as I know is still the law of the land. Many years of precedence for this. There are varying schools of thought on the interpretation of the 14th amendment, but until it is revoked or struck down by the courts, it still remains the law. As for the legality of their attending school, note that education is the exclusive preserve of the local jurisdiction of that state. Local laws do allow for even illegals to attend school.

Mancala:
Not sure what you're referring to as illegal in that video. The children, who are U.S. citizens, cross the border legally everyday to get on a school bus. The video clearly shows them being swiped in...dunno but likely with a passsport card. Its all on the up and up. Like I said, it may be offensive to some, but it's all legal. Anchor citizenship as far as I know is still the law of the land. Many years of precedence for this. There are varying schools of thought on the interpretation of the 14th amendment, but until it is revoked or struck down by the courts, it still remains the law. As for the legality of their attending school, note that education is the exclusive preserve of the local jurisdiction of that state. Local laws do allow for even illegals to attend school.

Depends on the state. I checked this is probably legal in New Mexico, seems to be illegal in California, Arizona, and Texas for a non resident to attend XYZ public school if you are not a resident of the school district.

Mancala:
Yes, ain't that something? I totally understand your point of view, but isn't this part of what makes America great? The fact that this country is bound by its own laws; obeys the law even when it's inconvenient and sometimes with negative consequences? How I wish Nigeria would uphold the same principles. In the grand scheme of things, this is part of the cost of upholding American ideals and its civilization.

The cost is insignificant compared to the resources available to this country. On the surface, it appears offensive to we the tax payers, but then, it is legal. Life in America as a whole is very unfair. Think of how medical insurance works. You and I and most insured Americans pay our premiums, and by the grace of God hardly use a fraction of what we pay in. However, an uninsured person can walk into the emergency room in a crisis and is guaranteed medical care. Most do not and will not pay a penny. In addition, 85% of medical costs in America is consumed by a relatively small percentage of seniors on hospital care. They consume multiple times what they put in. The point I'm trying to put across is that the system is designed such that corporations and the working class support the poor, unwilling, old and sick. What do we get in return? The absence of the unpleasantness of people dieing in the streets and safety from revolts with hungry hordes attacking and looting our properties

Lest we forget the most aggregious of examples, our ancestors who paid 400 years of hard labor in America. This has always been the American way, the basis of the American civilization! Monkey dey work, baboon day chop. When a monkey shakes the banana tree, some of the fruit falls to the ground and the baboon feeds too. If the baboon doesn't feed, there is a risk he might become a carnivore and start devouring monkeys. It's a win win situation!

My apologies for waxing philosophical this fine evening. My kindest regards to all who contribute to this interesting discussion.

Most of this is I agree with

EgunMogaji:
Greetings.

Yes, it’s legal. It needs to be discussed and hopefully changed.

USA is one of the few first world countries that still offer this.

I pay my share and have no qualms with the leftover being used for social services and international outreach.

Where I, and a lot of others draw the line is when the system is abused as it is now.

Have a nice evening.

We can agree though that "anchor baby" technically makes no sense. The baby being born here does not prevent the parents from being deported. Remember Elian Gonzalez? Also, the child can only file for parents at 21 so that's how long they have to wait. In the meantime, they live in poor conditions. Thirdly, contrary to popular belief, the parents do not get benefits. Only the children are eligible which circles back to my point that the children go on to stay, work and pay taxes and in some cases contribute a lot to society.

radautoworks:
We can agree though that "anchor baby" technically makes no sense. The baby being born here does not prevent the parents from being deported. Remember Elian Gonzalez? Also, the child can only file for parents at 21 so that's how long they have to wait. In the meantime, they live in poor conditions. Thirdly, contrary to popular belief, the parents do not get benefits. Only the children are eligible which circles back to my point that the children go on to stay, work and pay taxes and in some cases contribute a lot to society.

Under federal law, emergency hospital services have to be provided.

Many of these tourist births end up not paying the bills. The bills are directly or indirectly absorbed by the taxpayers to the parents benefit. I speak from experience because my 8 to 5 is in Hospital Information Technology.

A c section or preemie birth could cost well into hundreds of thousands.

I’m not as concerned about deportation perse, my specific concern is giving citizenship to tourist births and supporting it with taxes.

I posted a video of US citizen children that lives in Mexico but come over to go to school every morning in the US.

There’s no guarantee that the child would be a productive member of society.

Sure, we have scholastic folks but we also have MS13, Crips, Bloods, pristitutes, druggies, etc

The case you referenced, wasn’t that the kid that was basically stolen from his Dad in Cuba?

OyinbowithaTan:
Depends on the state. I checked this is probably legal in New Mexico, seems to be illegal in California, Arizona, and Texas for a non resident to attend XYZ public school if you are not a resident of the school district.

Very correct.

I buy houses based on the school district. My kids all went to top notch schools in good school district because I made the sacrifice.

I’ll like everyone to have to make those sacrifices. Don’t just sneak across the border, plomp one out and expect freebies.

EgunMogaji:
Under federal law, emergency hospital services have to be provided.

Many of these tourist births end up not paying the bills. The bills are directly or indirectly absorbed by the taxpayers to the parents benefit. I speak from experience because my 8 to 5 is in Hospital Information Technology.

A c section or preemie birth could cost well into hundreds of thousands.

I’m not as concerned about deportation perse, my specific concern is giving citizenship to tourist births and supporting it with taxes.

I posted a video of US citizen children that lives in Mexico but come over to go to school every morning in the US.

There’s no guarantee that the child would be a productive member of society.

Sure, we have scholastic folks but we also have MS13, Crips, Bloods, pristitutes, druggies, etc

The case you referenced, wasn’t that the kid that was basically stolen from his Dad in Cuba?

I agree about the hospitals but even someone on vacation would get the same treatment and then fly back home leaving an unpaid bill. I meant things like food stamps. Yes, there is no guarantee the child will amount to anything but numbers have shown that immigrants typically are more productive members of the society than natural born. Don't ask me to find the articles please lol. I'm guessing it's because they have a lot more to lose.

The bloods and crips are American gangs. Yes, ms13 is a problem but a lot more crime is committed by Americans proportionally than immigrants. There are also numbers that have shown this.

I had to go back and read the Gonzalez case. I'm mixing it up with another case where a parent was fighting deportation but the child was being put into child services because it was a citizen. The parent was fighting to stay because of the child. Do you happen to remember the case I'm referring to?

EgunMogaji:
Very correct.

I buy houses based in n the school district. My kids all went to top notch schools in good school district because I made the sacrifice.

I’ll like everyone to have to make those sacrifices. Don’t just sneak across the border, plomp one out and expect freebies.

Yes, but chances are that school district is not the one getting them. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it should be a free for all but I think people should be able to seek refuge here and if born here they should be citizens. The ones sneaking across the border are not the problem. It's the ones who have the money to get on a plane and fly here just to have baby be American that I think should be clamped down on. Those who are seeking better conditions should be allowed to do so. After all, a lot of America was stolen from Mexico

I want to troll

EgunMogaji:
Greetings.

Yes, it’s legal. It needs to be discussed and hopefully changed.

USA is one of the few first world countries that still offer this.

I pay my share and have no qualms with the leftover being used for social services and international outreach.

Where I, and a lot of others draw the line is when the system is abused as it is now.
Have a nice evening.

I personally will not go as far as saying the system is being abused. My take is that folks are taking advantage of the loopholes just like people have done over the centuries. And besides, if the U.S. had a fair, reasonable and well defined migration process, folks will not need to go about it in a dodgy fashion.

radautoworks:
Yes, but chances are that school district is not the one getting them. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it should be a free for all but I think people should be able to seek refuge here and if born here they should be citizens. The ones sneaking across the border are not the problem. It's the ones who have the money to get on a plane and fly here just to have baby be American that I think should be clamped down on. Those who are seeking better conditions should be allowed to do so. After all, a lot of America was stolen from Mexico

The people sneaking across the border are a much larger problem, there is so many more of them. A recent Yale-MIT study places the number at a minimum of 22 million illegally residing in the USA. And to work they have to do it under the table or buy fake or other peoples SSN numbers. They also find lots ways to snag welfare benefits. The tourism birth people with money eventually return home most of the time. If you really are serious that anyone seeking better conditions should be allowed in the USA that is 70% of the population of the planet. USA didn't steal land from Mexico, they fought a war and then the USA gave Mexico about 20 Million. That is more than the Louisiana Purchase, and for worst land. The American SW was desolate until the USA made massive infrastructure improvements, Hoover Dam, that brought water, power to the SW. That and the invention of air conditioning made the SW livable. Also Mexico stole it all from Spain before LOL.

OyinbowithaTan:
The people sneaking across the border are a much larger problem, there is so many more of them. A recent Yale-MIT study places the number at a minimum of 22 million illegally residing in the USA. And to work they have to do it under the table or buy fake or other peoples SSN numbers. They also find lots ways to snag welfare benefits. The tourism birth people with money eventually return home most of the time. If you really are serious that anyone seeking better conditions should be allowed in the USA that is 70% of the population of the planet. USA didn't steal land from Mexico, they fought a war and then the USA gave Mexico about 20 Million. That is more than the Louisiana Purchase, and for worst land. The American SW was desolate until the USA made massive infrastructure improvements, Hoover Dam, that brought water, power to the SW. That and the invention of air conditioning made the SW livable. Also Mexico stole it all from Spain before LOL.

There is so much false information here I don't even know where to start so I won't.

The plain truth is America is not as stupid as we think.Look at it this way,even if you are a US citizen,you must have resided at least 1 year in that state to claim instate tuition in most of the states,woe betide you if you live outside US,you have FACTA on your head,it's so bad that some banks once they know you are US citizen,they will decline opening an account for you because of IRS.You will still hire an accountant to be filling your annual tax return if you are non resident which is insane.Its only US and Eritrea that requires non residents to be filling annual tax return in the country they reside in.Last but not the least,a child who is a US citizen can't even file for the parents till 21.

Mancala:
I personally will not go as far as saying the system is being abused. My take is that folks are taking advantage of the loopholes just like people have done over the centuries. And besides, if the U.S. had a fair, reasonable and well defined migration process, folks will not need to go about it in a dodgy fashion.

I would say it is being abused and in various ways.

Hence why POTUS has made immigration a top priority of his administration.

The US/Mexico border is now currently a militarized zone. One of the fist acts of the POTUS were related to immigration and ended up in court.

veleta:
The plain truth is America is not as stupid as we think.Look at it this way,even if you are a US citizen,you must have resided at least 1 year in that state to claim instate tuition in most of the states,woe betide you if you live outside US,you have FACTA on your head,it's so bad that (1) some banks once they know you are US citizen,they will decline opening an account for you because of IRS. (2) You will still hire an accountant to be filling your annual tax return if you are non resident which is insane. (3) Its only US and Eritrea that requires non residents to be filling annual tax return in the country they reside in. (4) Last but not the least,a child who is a US citizen can't even file for the parents till 21.

They've been to the moon, have landed rovers (plural) on Mars and have spacecraft that has travelled outside our solar system. So yes the US is not stupid.

(1) Please provide any proof that any bank refused to open a bank account for you because you are a citizen.

(2) You don't need an accountant to do your taxes. There is no such requirement and there are software available and even free online companies including the IRS to file your taxes.

(3) Please clarify this. The US simply requires you to file taxes on foreign income over a certain threshold. This is a good thing. If Nigeria was similar perhaps we would have developed more than we have.

(4) Only an exceptional child would be able to file for his parents at 21. He would need a co sponsor for his I864.

OyinbowithaTan:
The people sneaking across the border are a much larger problem, there is so many more of them. A recent Yale-MIT study places the number at a minimum of 22 million illegally residing in the USA. And to work they have to do it under the table or buy fake or other peoples SSN numbers. They also find lots ways to snag welfare benefits. The tourism birth people with money eventually return home most of the time. If you really are serious that anyone seeking better conditions should be allowed in the USA that is 70% of the population of the planet. USA didn't steal land from Mexico, they fought a war and then the USA gave Mexico about 20 Million. That is more than the Louisiana Purchase, and for worst land. The American SW was desolate until the USA made massive infrastructure improvements, Hoover Dam, that brought water, power to the SW. That and the invention of air conditioning made the SW livable. Also Mexico stole it all from Spain before LOL.

I agree with your position and your statistics.

EgunMogaji:
I would say it is being abused and in various ways.

Hence why POTUS has made immigration a top priority of his administration.

The US/Mexico border is now currently a militarized zone. One of the fist acts of the POTUS were related to immigration and ended up in court.

It look like the court has sided with him. There still hasn't been any ruling to contradict Trump's latest approach at the US-Mexico border.

EgunMogaji:
They've been to the moon, have landed rovers (plural) on Mars and have spacecraft that has travelled outside our solar system. So yes the US is not stupid.

(1) Please provide any proof that any bank refused to open a bank account for you because you are a citizen.

(2) You don't need an accountant to do your taxes. There is no such requirement and there are software available and even free online companies including the IRS to file your taxes.

(3) Please clarify this. The US simply requires you to file taxes on foreign income over a certain threshold. This is a good thing. If Nigeria was similar perhaps we would have developed more than we have.

(4) Only an exceptional child would be able to file for his parents at 21. He would need a co sponsor for his I864.

Hopefully, the parents will still be alive to enjoy such benefit.

On the other hand, most just do it to give their children a better life that is better than what the parents are currently dealing with.

Beautyaddy:
It look like the court has sided with him. There still hasn't been any ruling to contradict Trump's latest approach at the US-Mexico border.

I'm seriously conflicted.

On one hand I'm not a Trump guy but he has managed to fill the courts with Judges who might side with him. On the other hand these judge might give verdicts that give me satisfaction on immigration but hurt my opinions on other issues.

Beautyaddy:
Hopefully, the parents will still be alive to enjoy such benefit.

On the other hand, most just do it to give their children a better life that is better than what the parents are currently dealing with.

True.

Many children including infants are in the custody of the government. They were seized and spared from their immigrant parents at the border.

I get this one though. Some are legit running from persecution, etc. Let them show up in an orderly manner, not the horde that is currently happening.

EgunMogaji:
I'm seriously conflicted.

On one hand I'm not a Trump guy but he has managed to fill the courts with Judges who might side with him. On the other hand these judge might give verdicts that give me satisfaction on immigration but hurt my opinions on other issues.

Very good point.

However, immigration laws have never been set up to favor both sides...meaning it will always be a win-lose situation.

EgunMogaji:
They've been to the moon, have landed rovers (plural) on Mars and have spacecraft that has travelled outside our solar system. So yes the US is not stupid.

(1) Please provide any proof that any bank refused to open a bank account for you because you are a citizen.

(2) You don't need an accountant to do your taxes. There is no such requirement and there are software available and even free online companies including the IRS to file your taxes.

(3) Please clarify this. The US simply requires you to file taxes on foreign income over a certain threshold. This is a good thing. If Nigeria was similar perhaps we would have developed more than we have.

(4) Only an exceptional child would be able to file for his parents at 21. He would need a co sponsor for his I864.

Yes I used a free tax return software program last time. I was ignorant of this prior to finding out. Also, if one is not scared of discount mobile phone services.....there are a couple that offer free monthly limited service like 500 talk minutes, 250 texts or then a smaller data cap. (if on wifi the data never comes into play).