₦airaland Forum

DeepSight:
My dear, you are quite an ignorant person - I dont mean this as an insult - it is just the simple truth. Try to be more studied and scientific in your assessment of the development trajectory of nations.

By the way you seem to think I am making excuses for Nigeria - I am not. There is a lot we could do better and there are many things which are simply inexcusable about our state of affairs. A great many things. This does not however take away the fundamental truth about the sociological, economic, historical, climatic, commercial, political factors that situate a nations development trajectory.

For heaven's sake go to school.
The mere fact that you dismiss the age of Britain just shows how shallow your knowledge is. You had a clue what they have been through you would shat ap at once.

RoastedCorn:
Age and all those rubbish you mentioned don't mean a thing, Ethiopia was never colonized, where are they now? . . earlier this week the king of morrocco and macron french president commissioned the fastest rail in the continent done with just $2BN but that $2BN is the least amount of politicians steal....

To use age doesn't explain why Rwanda in spite her civil war in 1994 is where they are today......Rwanda's private schools have closed down due to the advanced state of their public schools developed my Paul kagame, 65% of their legislative house are women, they achieved gender equality real fast too . .... healthcare is very affordable cos he subsidized it, this is a country that has no "Major" resources like Nigeria....Rwanda is the cleanest city in Africa, if you drop anything anyhow, a citizen has the obligation to report you and you would be fined....he banned the use of nylons, Rwanda currently does not produce nor use nylons cos of land pollution..... in coming years, Rwanda would match Europe....

Nigeria on the other hand hand 1british pound equal to 2 Nigerian pound in 1973(13 years old) just and the beginning of the discovered of oil, with good policies and commitment to ards implementation that exchange rate could have been maintained but here we are today

RoastedCorn:
Nigeria is a very bad country and alot of Nigerians are stupid...

We celebrate mediocrity alot, OP is talking about a road in Italy and someone that hasn't travelled abroad before is saying Abuja . .How heaven and hell take relate?... Even if there's one in Abuja, is Abuja the whole of Nigeria?

It's 2019 and campaign promises would still be "I'd build good roads" ,"I'd ensure 24hours power supply" . . .for Bleep sake, in Developed countries having good roads and 24hour light is like a basic human right just like Education....Alot of tertiary institutions in this countries are tuition free, some tuition even for international students, yet ASUU is currently on strike, our full Education budget is 108BN and Osinbajo stole 33BN, almost one-third of our budget and nothing has been done and would be done to him..... Gaduje was caught on camera by a journalist who risked his life for 2 years to get an evidence that Gaduje,Kano state governor is heavily corrupt, guess what? The judge ordered the stoppage of his probing and you think Nigeria is progressing

A journalist talked against an APC senator seeking reelection in Enugu state last week....the Senator used the "Nigerian police" to arrest him, handcuff him and flogged mercilessly with cane, he was later rescued by a senior PDP member.

A poor man climbed a mast protesting that he won't come down until Buhari leaves...guess what? He was brought down and detained...

We have no freedom of speech... I'm a 4th year medical student in UNIBEN with so many attempts at small small businesses failing.... I have 2 innovations in form of a phone application that I need just 300K to start, one addressing education, the other addressing mental health, I've applied for incubation hubs without being picked and I can't get a loan due to suffocating interest rate...if Nigeria was good, I can get the 300K which is less that $1K with credit card or a government agency working on innovation....

It would take 9ja at least 3000years to become better. .not even a youth revolution would make Nigeria better, because the youths clamouring for Buhari and a bit below the ones clamouring for a better Nigeria...

If you protest, you'd be arrested and the rest of Nigerians would be silent...

Don't give me that entrepreneurship talk, Nigerians are just too mediocre...look at that fool that said Save Npower 30K, like seriously?? . . You deserve a job that's why you went to school, starting a business should be optional and a thing of Choice not something necessitated due to lack of job .. Americans always say, "go get a job" "go get a job" no o e tells you to go start a business in America after you're done with school, it should be a thing of choice, you deserve a job provided by the government...

Don't give me that we're just 60years and Rome wasn't built in a day talk, that just stupid....when was Singapore built? ....Rwanda ended their civil war in 1994 here, now they are the leading country in Africa in terms of development.....how come in 1973 1 British pound=2 Nigerian pound . . .how come in the 70s till the early 90s government fed university student....things are getting worse, Nigeria is not getting any better . ..the earlier you realize it he better......

DeepSight:
Well first and foremost if you have read most of what I have posted you will understand that no one is saying that age is all there is to this discussion. There are many factors at play of which age and time are just one.

Secondly don't be an idiott by attempting to compare Rwanda to Nigeria. Rwanda is not as big, dense or complex as a single senatorial zone in just one of Nigeria's states. It is absurd to compare the potential for sanity there to that which is probable with a complex giant like Nigeria. The Governor of Lagos probably has a more demanding job than the president of ten Rwandas put together.

Nigga please.

latsy:
Coward using fake name.
You will soon flee just like your dilektor because it is getting
difficult for criminals to survive here.
Hope you don't end up as a slave in Libya.

somehow:
This is not an intelligent comment. A question was asked (just 5), you ignored the question and then asked double of it.

Alot of Nigerians aren't wise.

codemaniacs:
black people do well in sports, medicine, engineering e.t.c... as long as they are in the right environment ( access to information and equipments) ...

Nigeria's problem is due to not allowing each ethnic nation take advantage of their resources...

someone that is frustrated economically can't think right... most Nigerians are frustrated economically this in turn affects their mental health, physical health e.t.c...

Northern Nigeria was joined to the southern part in order to frustrate the southern part economically and slow their progress...

SIRTee15:
Stop giving excuse...
Singapore has a tropical climate just like most African countries...
Yet it's far developed than any sub Saharan country can dream of....
Middle East is as hot as hell....
But they have UAE, Qatar, Bahrain which are good examples of what happens to nation when human n natural resources are properly utilised by a visionary leader.....
It's even funny that the hotter northern Africa( at least during summer) is more developed than sub Sahara africa....
Then u mentioned heterogeneity....
What happens to restructuring or confederacy whereby homogenous groups within a nation are allowed to govern themselves at their own pace and formulate policies that best suits their aspiration....
Is that not what we have in quebec canada, Scotland UK, Catalonia n Basque Spain n even hong Kong, Macau China....
Must everybody be forced into a unitary govt that's obviously unproductive n too divisive when it's clear we are different....
Why not promote the structure of nations within a nation....
There's nothing wrong with africa or nigeria....
The problem is the people....
Their thinking is too backward n their mindset too retrogressive to birth any productive venture when it comes to collective interest....
They lack the principle of self preservation and wealth creation....
We are too selfish and individualistic....that's what is killing africa....
Not climate or heterogeneity....

mosesdejaviano:
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So true my Brother.

I don't know how a right thinking educated individual will support a program such as N-power.

Though what we call education in Nigeria is not education. What we call education in Nigeria is just schooling. And there is a great difference between schooling and education.

One may have five PhDs and still be uneducated. Education is a means to end in the schooling path.

Education involves three processes:
1. The Learning process,
2. The Unlearning process,
3. The Relearning process.
The three procedural path must be complete before one is can say he is educated.

But the clime we found ourselves, the education process stops at the learning stage, and that is why we hear, read and see a lot of things that emanate from the so called "educated".

No Logical and Critical thinker will support the crumbs or beggar money been given to the so called "educated" (N30, 000). While their kids and children live fat on the collective resources of the people they govern.

Their kids cannot spend N30, 000 in 2minutes, they all drive exotic cars that ranges in tens of million naira. They go to parties in attires valued at millions of naira. These kids spend lavishly and extravagantly. They don't school here in our dilapidated, unequipped, comatose University. They schooled in Ivy league Universities across the globe.

But after the so "called educated" pass through the stress of non functioning, glorified citadel of learning, they are given N30, 000 in form of empowering them. And the so called "educated" is comfortable with it.

There is a need for getting the real education. There is a need for re-engineering of the thought process of the so called "educated".

RoastedCorn:
you deviated from Age and now using size as excuse, you're just too dull, did you consider that inspite the population Nigeria has alot more resources than Rwanda?

Below is what the prime of India achieved in the past four years to tell you that a leader that wants to change a country would change it.... India is more than a Billion that's like times five of Nigeria's population

codemaniacs:
Nigeria's problem is due to not allowing each ethnic nation take advantage of their resources...

chineji:
I really wish I could show more pictures from my trip but the others had my face in it and I dont wanna show my face. We are really suffering in Africa. I used to be one of those who believe in this continent but I don't anymore. We are living like animals especially here in Nigeria. Nigeria especially is the worse amongst all African countries. Nigeria lacks the basics a country that can't provide electricity nor water for its citizens or even healthcare. In all of Italy, healthcare is free. They live so long. You see so many old people on the street. They get sick they go to the hospital and get treated for free and they got quality healthcare. We got absolutely nothing in Nigeria. I am back to Nigeria now and at the moment I am confused on what I wanna do. Everything here feels so strange and so weird. Everyone in Nigeria is suffering I mean it everyone. You have to really go outside to see how bad it is here.

Anyone that wants to leave Nigeria should do so ASAP. This country and by extension much of sub Sahara Africa will never get better. I mean even Gabon that has so much oil and very few citizens has so much poverty and really shit infrastructure same with equitoreal guinea.

The most painful aspect is that most African leaders travel to this countries regularly and see how things are done here and see how people live like human beings but cannot replicate same in their home nations.

Anyone that has an opportunity to leave Nigeria should waste no time. We are suffering in Nigeria. Life is not all about money quality of life matters too and quality of life in Nigeria is shit real shit.

DeepSight:
My dear brother you spoke both good sense and absolute nonsense. Let me distill it for you. The part where you are talking absolute nonsense is the part where you compare Nigeria with places like Singapore, Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE. I have already explained why this is nonsensical. In a nut shell you simply cannot compare the size and complexity of Nigeria with any of these places. All of these places are small countries - in fact miniscule tiny countries compared to Nigeria - and I mean that in terms of population and complexity. As I pointed out, Nigeria alone is more ethnically and linguistically diverse than the whole of Europe put together.

This is a factor you guys seem to just ignore but you should not. Do you know why? Because there is no way a nation can develop without first resolving its internal conflicts. Europe has had quality time to do so and believe me they bloodied themselves in wars for centuries. They have been through literal hell and have had time to come to a self conscious peace which permits development. It is impossible to speak of development in the absence of conflict resolution and Nigeria is as conflict prone as they come on account of her complexity. She is almost 300 nations crammed into one space.

Let me make it clear for you - in fact most European languages are simply different dialects of one root language - Latin. French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, English are all derivatives of Latin. So they have a deep linguistic tie and yet they needed centuries to wage many many wars and come to an understanding of self that would permit development here and there and gradually. Nigeria by contrast has languages that are completely distinct and separate from one another - ethnicities too many to count also. There is no realistic way that we would not have the sort of deep division and conflict which will stagger our development. Our political history is that of conflict resolution and be in no doubt that we are still in the process of this. Be in no doubt that it is a process that still has a long way to go - by my reckoning at least a century of resolution of internal conflicts will be required before we come out of the woods.

There is no magic anywhere, these things take time, you cant escape it. Please dont ever compare us to those simple states such as Qatar or the UAE again. Those are very poor comparisons.

Now the part where you made good sense is where you alluded to restructuring. Thank you very much for that. That is part of the conflict resolution that is necessary in our future. True federalism, or even confederacy, devolution of powers, etc. These are the steps that we need.

krattoss:
I spent 2hrs+ reading from page 1 down to this last page.

I saw many gnashing of teeth, cursing and regrets and also unnecessary comparisons between Africa, Nigeria and europe/the world.
U see in this life, human wants can never be satisfied. In life, everyone mustn't be equal. Every hand ain't the same. Every level, has its own challenges.
Go to these whites countries platforms and see gnashing of teeths, complaints and dissatisfaction been exhibited there.
Even most of these 1st world nations tops in suicidal rates. I ve seen folks who sold all they have here to travel offshore only to start calling home for some funds and money.

Blame games is not taking us anywhere. Just love ur life, do what u got to do and be happy.

DeepSight:
This is frankly st.upid.

What you have done is just about the same thing as someone saying that if a part of say, France, secedes today and becomes a new nation, then it is a young country and also a developed country and that proves that age and time has nothing to do with development. This is just a faint example of what you are doing. That is a wholly nonsensical approach to have.

Mark you, development is not limited to physical infrastructure. Most development of any nation rests in the evolution of its mind. Thus even if you flatten the whole of Germany today with nuclear bombs and they have to start building their physical structures from scratch, this does not mean that they are in anyway on the same level as an African nation. Their mental development which is 95 per cent of the development of a nation is at a stage that will ensure that in a few decades they are back to full first world development status again. The same thing applies to places like Japan and South Korea. Some people ignorantly state that Japan was devastated after the second world war and had to start from scratch and because of this they compare Japan to us. This is very silly.

When did such a thought as Nigeria even come into existence and how long has the mental idea of Nigeria asserted itself in the world and what time has that idea had to firm itself up and resolve its internal conflicts?

Japan by contrast is an ancient civilization which has been at the top of its game for thousands of years now. Its homogeneous history has the sort of deep roots that no nation invented by colonialism can have - in simple terms Japan has had quality time to come to self consciousness and self awareness in a way that it is foo.lish to expect of fifty year old African states which are the artificial products of colonial lines and which thus have a long way to go with respect to coming to terms with their national identity alone: not to speak of such powerful things as national consciousness and self awareness which propel a people forward.

I can go on and on to break it down further for you but please do not task me too much: rather, calm down and become a studious person and reflect on history. Do not let any one tell you that the history of the matter does not matter because that is one of our pitfalls as a people: we pay too little attention to history and as such we do not understand anything. The nations you worship take history very seriously and for good reason too. You must come to understand the historical context of a subject before you can intelligently discuss it.

Carmal90:
What should I waste my time on what I have decided on what to do?
I wasn't trained to do that,you make a decision which may either be good or bad and stick with it, for this I will VOTE for Atiku in 2019, INSHA ALLAH.

IbrahimDamola:
Poverty striken gbegiri-mouthed oshogbo dweller, if the below picture means 'slavery' to you, then you are beneath a slave.

Arindin!

DeepSight:
Well first and foremost if you have read most of what I have posted you will understand that no one is saying that age is all there is to this discussion. There are many factors at play of which age and time are just one.

Secondly don't be an idiott by attempting to compare Rwanda to Nigeria. Rwanda is not as big, dense or complex as a single senatorial zone in just one of Nigeria's states. It is absurd to compare the potential for sanity there to that which is probable with a complex giant like Nigeria. The Governor of Lagos probably has a more demanding job than the president of ten Rwandas put together.

Nigga please.

HIGHESTPOPORI:
OK,u name just 4 things Buhari has done better than he met it in 2015, Currency,Security,fuel price, Education,Economy,Health, what has Buhari done? Fighting corruption? Lol

SIRTee15:
I pointed out successful countries in the tropics because u alluded to climatic condition as a reason for our underdevelopment....
Pls learn to follow YOUR own line of argument...ok....

Besides there are equally relatively successful large heterogeneous countries within the tropical belt zone....
Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia etc....

India is doing relatively well and is poised to be the 3rd largest economy by 2030....

Nigeria even buy fighter jets from Pakistan which is another troubled country within the tropics..
I repeat, Nigeria has no excuse to be in its present state....
Poor leadership quality coupled with ignorant followers is the bane of our problem....
Not heterogeneity or population or diverse language. ...

IbrahimDamola:
Poverty striken gbegiri-mouthed oshogbo dweller, if the below picture means 'slavery' to you, then you are beneath a slave.

Arindin!

rs172:
Then why can't Lagos be more developed than Rwanda

DeepSight:
I have not deviated from age. It is one of many factors.
Complexity and history are always important factors - whether you like it or not.

India has its challenges as well, up till today.
If you think no progress has been made in Nigeria, then you are probably a teenager.

I dont think you have the capacity to have a conversation with me.

RoastedCorn:
Bro I was a pro Nigeria and still am, but I don tire, I'm frustrated cos I know me and you can't change the country

RoastedCorn:
Now you're telling me Nigeria is developing...

In fact thunder will strike you if you quote me again, you low-thinking, poverty-succumbing imp

DeepSight:
It is.

DeepSight:
It is.

Mizwisdom:
I'm now convinced that "Black men" are Africa's problem Oga, you are telling your fellow black about the beauty of "Whites" how did you contribute to the good of us by this? As you've seen that we are all suffering, before you leave to Europe finally, gather your friends to MMA, that place where you saw hip of refuse, go and pick it up and do a rally to sensitize people before you leave. This is what our leaders do to us and we complain, they travel, see things but don't replicate it here, same thing we ourselves do.
Meanwhile bro, update us with info when there's an opening in your coy.













True talk

rs172:
Ok now mention what made Lagos more developed than Rwanda