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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 11:14am On Nov 29, 2018
Come out of darkness. Come to Jesus.

No matter how terrible your sins are, Jesus will accept you...

The Bible says....Even if your sins are red as Scarlet, that it will be white as snow....

There is much evil in the world... You don't know when death will come..

Come to Jesus and have life eternal... Nobody can promise you rest after death...

Jesus did.

Jesus said .....As many that hear the voice of the son of man, even though they are dead, they shall rise again .

God bless you.

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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 11:26am On Nov 29, 2018
Spazolas:
I’m a Muslim and I know everything about Islam is based on lies, Muhammad is a guy man.. a paedophile and a liar

Then why are you still a Muslim?
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Freh(m): 1:33pm On Nov 29, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
When Jesus (pbuh) was sending out his apostles for evangelical mission, he also warned them categorically to avoid preaching to the Gentiles i:e the Non-Israelites:THESE TWELVE JESUS SENT OUT WITH THE FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS; “DO NOT GO AMONG THE GENTILES OR ENTER ANY TOWN OF THE SAMARITANS. GO RATHER TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL (Matthew 10:5-6). This further corroborates the fact that Jesus was sent ONLY to the Israelites.
However, many of the Christians believe that this command of "NOT PREACHING TO THE GENTILES" was later cancelled and replaced by the new command of preaching to all the nations just BEFORE Jesus ascended to heaven:
1. Matthew 28:19; "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".
2. Mark 16.15; “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.”
3. Acts 1.8 ; "and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
4. Luke 24.47; “that repentance for forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.”
Therefore, it seems from these four verses that the apostles of Jesus were NOW FREE TO VISIT THE GENTILES AND PREACH THE GOSPEL TO ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD.
But was it REALLY TRUE that the original apostles of Jesus were NOW FREE TO VISIT THE GENTILES AND PREACH THE GOSPELS TO ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD ? Let see what happened between Peter and one influential man called Cornelius. This very incident, which occurred many years AFTER Jesus' departure, goes thus:
"At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!” Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked. The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God. Now send men to Joppa to bring back a man named Simon who is called Peter. He is staying with Simon the tanner, whose house is by the sea.” When the angel who spoke to him had gone, Cornelius called two of his servants and a devout soldier who was one of his attendants. He told them everything that had happened and sent them to Joppa. About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.” “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” The voice spoke to him a second time, “do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven. While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the VISION, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there. While Peter was still thinking about the VISION, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three men are looking for you. So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.” Peter went down and said to the men, “I’m the one you’re looking for. Why have you come?” The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.” Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests. The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along.The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.” While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them ; "YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. BUT GOD HAS SHOWN ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANYONE IMPURE OR UNCLEAN. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me? (Acts 10:1-29 NIV)"
Remember: it seems from those four verses cited above that the apostles of Jesus were NOW FREE TO VISIT THE GENTILES AND PREACH THE GOSPELS TO ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD. If this is true, then why did Peter have to say : "YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE" ? Was Peter NOT aware that they were now FREE to visit the gentiles and preach the gospel to all the nations of the world?
Some of the Christians argued that the reason why Peter said: "YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE" is because he has forgotten the Jesus'new command of preaching to all the nations of the world. But if this is true, then why did remaining Jewish believers in Christ criticize Peter on the SAME ISSUE OF VISITING AND ASSOCIATING WITH GENTILES on his return to Jerusalem as the following passage revealed ? Have they also forgotten the Jesus'new command of preaching to all the nations of the world? Read the passage below
Acts 11 New Living Translation (NLT)
"Soon the news reached the apostles and other believers in Judea that the Gentiles had received the word of God. But when Peter arrived back in Jerusalem, THE JEWISH BELIEVERS CRITICIZED HIM. “YOU ENTERED THE HOME OF THE GENTILES AND EVEN ATE WITH THEM!” they said (Acts 11:1-3 NLT).
If the other Jewish believers in Christ did not criticize Peter on his arrival to Jerusalem ON THE SAME ISSUE OF VISITING AND ASSOCIATING WITH GENTILES as shown above, then we may think that it was Peter that was saying nonsense when he said "YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE. (Acts 10:28).
The second part of the Peter's statement "BUT GOD HAS SHOWN ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANYONE IMPURE OR UNCLEAN (Acts 10:28) is only referring to the "VISION" he experienced just before the arrival of the men sent by Cornelius . The statement has NOTHING to do with the so-called Jesus' new command of preaching to all the nations of the world .
Again see the reaction of these Jewish believers in Christ when Peter finished the narration of his Vision; "When they heard this, they had NO FURTHER OBJECTIONS and praised God, saying, "SO THEN, EVEN THE GENTILES, God has granted repentance that leads to life.(Acts 11:18 NIV). Please see the astonishment of these Jewish believers in Christ ; "SO THEN, EVEN THE GENTILES" .
If they have already aware about the Jesus'new command of Preaching to all the Gentile nations in Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47, and Acts 1:8, then WHY ALL THIS ASTONISHMENT?
Again, some Christians want to argue that the reason why Peter said:"YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A GENTILE(Acts 10:28)" is because Peter and other apostles find it difficult to discard the Jewish custom of not associating and visiting the Gentiles. However,the fact that Peter responded positively to that VISION and departed with those gentiles on the following day is an evidence that he never find it difficult to discard this Jewish custom. Again, it is not possible for the apostles and disciples of Jesus to give PREFERENCE for mere Jewish custom OVER a great and important command from their Master.
What actually preventing them was the command of "NOT PREACHING TO THE GENTILES" in Matthew 10:5-6 and the fact that Jesus told them CATEGORICALLY that he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel( Matthew15:24).
Do you think Peter would follow those gentiles to meet Cornelius if not because of the Spirit that commanded him not to hesitate to go with them; "While Peter was still thinking about the VISION, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three men are looking for you. So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them(Acts 10:19-20)”.
From all these facts, it can be deduced that even if there is a record that Peter and other apostles preach to another Gentile apart from Cornelius and his households, then what "PERMIT" them to do this was the VISION that Peter experienced. It is DEFINITELY NOT the new command of preaching to all the nations of the world attributed FALSELY to Jesus in Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47 and Acts 1:8. Otherwise, the story of events between Peter and Cornelius (Acts 10:1-28) and also between Peter and other Jewish believers in Christ (Acts 11:1-18) are NOT TRUE.
God Almighty allowed the story of events between "Peter and Cornelius" and also between "Peter and the remaining Jewish believers" to be kept till today so that the evidence of the FORGERY behind Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15, Luke 24:47 and Acts 1:8 can be clearly seen by every diligent reader of the Bible.
Jesus Christ!!! This makes perfect sense... nice research
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 2:37pm On Nov 29, 2018
DOES THIS MAKE ISLAM AND MUHAMMAD REASONABLE TO YOU ?

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

* Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B

THIS IS ENOUGH FOR ANYONE SEEKING THE TRUTH TO KNOW THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC , because HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THAT THIS VERSE WAS NOT FROM GOD BUT FROM MUHAMMAD TO FOOL THE SPIRITUAL IGNORANTS.

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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 4:44pm On Nov 29, 2018
Originakalokalo:


Someone should pls teach me how to break a post in pieces and place comments after each break.

Thanks.
Now I know this dude may be annoying but someone should please answer his question if you know how, I'd like to benefit from this too.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 4:48pm On Nov 29, 2018
Sorry enilove but what's wrong with that verse?
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 5:12pm On Nov 29, 2018
AryEmber:
Now I know this dude may be annoying but someone should please answer his question if you know how, I'd like to benefit from this too.


Ha. Madam, haba na? How am I annoying?

Let me teach you....I got a response from a guy here...

1. Copy that bracket that appears at the start of any post....ie [quote author = originakalokalo post......]

2. Paste it at the beginning of any post you want to break .....

3. Place [/quote] at the end of the post you want to break....
4. Then insert your comments after that...


Hope it helps?

Let me know if you need further clarification.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by LordReed(m): 5:21pm On Nov 29, 2018
Islam is just as stupid as Christianity, there is no reasonableness or rationality to either. In fact I dare say Islam is the more irrational of the 2.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by adelee777: 5:33pm On Nov 29, 2018
drips8:
Christianity seems confusing with the various denominations.

Christianity is confusing with many denominations that argue about their differences? So, what will you call a religion with fewer denominations, but which bomb one another regularly because of their differences? Peaceful?

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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 5:36pm On Nov 29, 2018
Originakalokalo:



Ha. Madam, haba na? How am I annoying?

Let me teach you....I got a response from a guy here...

1. Copy that bracket that appears at the start of any post....ie at the end of the post you want to break....
4. Then insert your comments after that...


Hope it helps?

Let me know if you need further clarification.
Thank you and the person who helped.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 8:42pm On Nov 29, 2018
AryEmber:
Now I know this dude may be annoying but someone should please answer his question if you know how, I'd like to benefit from this too.

Madam, pls tell me how I have been annoying.

Maybe I'd adjust....

We are not supposed to fight...

Thanks.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 9:10pm On Nov 29, 2018
AryEmber:
Sorry enilove but what's wrong with that verse?

You wish to know the wrong in this verse :
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any DISCOMFORT concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WRONG WTH THIS VERSE :

1) It is wrong to take another person's wife , that is evil and coveteousness :

Exodus 20:17 KJV
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

2) It is a sin to sleep with your son's wife :

Leviticus 18:15 KJV
Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness.

3) It is a sin to divorce your wife or husband :

Mark 10:11-12 KJV
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
[12] And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

4) It is a sin to marry a divorcee :
Matthew 5:32 KJV
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

5) The reason given by the verse is that , " so that other muslims would not have doubt in marrying their adopted son's wives .
But after , allah cancelled the issue of adoption , which automatically makes this verse 37 useless :

Allah SWT says:

مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍ مِّنْ رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلٰكِنْ رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّۦنَ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيمًا
"Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 40)

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 25:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated 'Aisha:

Abu Hudhaifa bin 'Utba bin Rabi'a bin Abdi Shams who had witnessed the battle of Badr along with the Prophet adopted Salim as his son, to whom he married his niece, Hind bint Al-Walid bin 'Utba bin Rabi'a; and Salim was the freed slave of an Ansar woman, just as the Prophet had adopted Zaid as his son. It was the custom in the Pre-lslamic Period that if somebody adopted a boy, the people would call him the son of the adoptive father and he would be the latter's heir. But when Allah revealed the Divine Verses: 'Call them by (the names of) their fathers . . . your freed-slaves,' (33.5) the adopted persons were called by their fathers' names. The one whose father was not known, would be regarded as a Maula and your brother in religion. Later on Sahla bint Suhail bin 'Amr Al-Quraishi Al-'Amiri--and she was the wife of Abu- Hudhaifa bin 'Utba--came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We used to consider Salim as our (adopted) son, and now Allah has revealed what you know (regarding adopted sons)." The sub-narrator then mentioned the rest of the narration.

IT IS A SHAME FOR SOMEONE TO DESCEND SO LOW TO THE EXTENT OF MARRYING YOUR SON'S WIFE , TALKLESS OF A PROPHET. IS THAT NOT A SATANIC PROPHET OF ADULTERY , WHO DOES NOT CARE AS LONG AS SEX AND WOMEN ARE CONCERNED ?
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 9:45pm On Nov 29, 2018
Originakalokalo:


Madam, pls tell me how I have been annoying.

Maybe I'd adjust....

We are not supposed to fight...

Thanks.
You can't adjust, it's in you and your belief. Don't take me too serious, we're not fighting.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 9:49pm On Nov 29, 2018
AryEmber:
You can't adjust, it's in you and your belief. Don't take me too serious, we're not fighting.

*relived*

OK ma'am.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 10:20pm On Nov 29, 2018
enilove:


You wish to know the wrong in this verse :
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any DISCOMFORT concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WRONG WTH THIS VERSE :

1) It is wrong to take another person's wife , that is evil and coveteousness :

Exodus 20:17 KJV
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

2) It is a sin to sleep with your son's wife :

Leviticus 18:15 KJV
Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness.

3) It is a sin to divorce your wife or husband :

Mark 10:11-12 KJV
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
[12] And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

4) It is a sin to marry a divorcee :
Matthew 5:32 KJV
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

5) The reason given by the verse is that , " so that other muslims would not have doubt in marrying their adopted son's wives .
But after , allah cancelled the issue of adoption , which automatically makes this verse 37 useless :

Allah SWT says:

مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍ مِّنْ رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلٰكِنْ رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّۦنَ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيمًا
"Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 40)

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 25:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated 'Aisha:

Abu Hudhaifa bin 'Utba bin Rabi'a bin Abdi Shams who had witnessed the battle of Badr along with the Prophet adopted Salim as his son, to whom he married his niece, Hind bint Al-Walid bin 'Utba bin Rabi'a; and Salim was the freed slave of an Ansar woman, just as the Prophet had adopted Zaid as his son. It was the custom in the Pre-lslamic Period that if somebody adopted a boy, the people would call him the son of the adoptive father and he would be the latter's heir. But when Allah revealed the Divine Verses: 'Call them by (the names of) their fathers . . . your freed-slaves,' (33.5) the adopted persons were called by their fathers' names. The one whose father was not known, would be regarded as a Maula and your brother in religion. Later on Sahla bint Suhail bin 'Amr Al-Quraishi Al-'Amiri--and she was the wife of Abu- Hudhaifa bin 'Utba--came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We used to consider Salim as our (adopted) son, and now Allah has revealed what you know (regarding adopted sons)." The sub-narrator then mentioned the rest of the narration.

IT IS A SHAME FOR SOMEONE TO DESCEND SO LOW TO THE EXTENT OF MARRYING YOUR SON'S WIFE , TALKLESS OF A PROPHET. IS THAT NOT A SATANIC PROPHET OF ADULTERY , WHO DOES NOT CARE AS LONG AS SEX AND WOMEN ARE CONCERNED ?


To begin with, You accused the prophet of taking another's wife but the verse you quote clearly said Zayd was no longer in need of her. Now, Allah (SWT) said we should know and let our adopted children know that we aren't their parents which is not like this in your religion but he forbids muslims from alcoholic drinks, Would it be right to call your religion satanic because yours permits it? No! To the issue of divorce, Christianity allows this only on the ground of fornication but that's your own religion. In Islam, divorce is permitted for other concrete reasons. Should Zayd's wife die without companion because her husband divorced her? You quote verses from the bible but some good people in the bible committed similar sins, is this not wrong? The prophet didn't marry his son's wife because Allah made it clear that Zayd is not his.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by drips8(m): 10:36pm On Nov 29, 2018
Anas09:

Is Catholicism a Standard for Christianity?

But catholicism is the cradle of Christianity
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by drips8(m): 10:37pm On Nov 29, 2018
adelee777:

Christianity is confusing with many denominations that argue about their differences? So, what will you call a religion with fewer denominations, but which bomb one another regularly because of their differences? Peaceful?



Yes, both Christianity and Islam are confusing, but Christianity seems to be the most complicated.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 11:12pm On Nov 29, 2018
AryEmber:
To begin with, You accused the prophet of taking another's wife but the verse you quote clearly said Zayd was no longer in need of her. Now, Allah (SWT) said we should know and let our adopted children know that we aren't their parents which is not like this in your religion but he forbids muslims from alcoholic drinks, Would it be right to call your religion satanic because yours permits it? No! To the issue of divorce, Christianity allows this only on the ground of fornication but that's your own religion. In Islam, divorce is permitted for other concrete reasons. Should Zayd's wife die without companion because her husband divorced her? You quote verses from the bible but some good people in the bible committed similar sins, is this not wrong? The prophet didn't marry his son's wife because Allah made it clear that Zayd is not his.


Look at the verse critically :

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

Firstly , This revelation was b4 Zaid even divorced Zainab. Muhammad had been getting revelations b4 the divorcement.

Secondly , Why could muhammad not resolve the dispute instead marrying her ?

Thirdly , was it the same God that decreed that no man should divorce his wife, except on the ground of fornication , that also told muhammad that divorce is okay?

Forthly , Was it the same God that said anyone who marries a divorcee has committed adultry that commanded muhammad to marry a divorcee ?

Fifthly , can't you sense a fowl play in this revelation? When the person receiving a revelation is the only one benefiting from the revelation , one needs to look critically into such a revelation.

Lastly , why abolishing the adopted son's culture , when the purpose why allah made muhammad to marry zainab was for other muslims to copy , according to the quran ?

GOD IS NOT A GOD OF CONFUSION , HIS STANDARD IS THE SAME AND HE IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS.

On the issue of alcohol , it is not a sin to drink alcohol , but it is a sin to be drunk.

Matthew 15:11,16-19 KJV
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. [16] And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? [17] Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? [18] But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. [19] For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

YOU SAID SOME GOOD PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE COMMITTED SUCH SIN , CAN YOU PLS NAME THEM ?

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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Nobody: 12:37am On Nov 30, 2018
Godisreal55:
The entire message of Islam can be summarized as follows;


"God decided to create the generations of human being on the surface of the earth (Qur'an 2:30). But when God finished the creation of Adam and his wife, He put them in paradise. Therefore, for God's original plan to be fulfilled, God allowed Adam and his wife to be deceived by Satan and the two of them disobeyed God by eating from the fruits of the forbidden tree. Consequently, they were expelled from paradise and sent down to the earth. On getting to the earth, Adam and his wife regretted their actions and REPENTED FROM THEIR SINFUL ACTS and God forgave them (Qur'an 2:37). Hence, they will be admitted back into paradise on the day of resurrection. Thereafter, for the children of Adam to be also admitted back into paradise from where their parents were expelled, they have to REPENT SINCERELY from their sins (Qur'an 66:8-9) and FOLLOW the guidance of God (Qur'an 2:38) which would be revealed to them from time to time through many prophets of God until the appearance of the last prophet (i:e prophet Muhammad-pbuh) that would bring the final, complete and everlasting guidance for all the people of the earth (Qur'an 7:158)".


This is Islam in a nut shell and it shows the RATIONALITY OF WASHING AWAY A SINFUL ACT BY SINCERE REPENTANCE AND THEN KEEPING TO THE GUIDANCE REVEALED BY GOD (i:e true beliefs and the divine commandments) in order to gain admission into paradise.


Similarly, the whole message of the present-day Christianity can be summarized as follows;

"God created Adam and his wife and put them in paradise. Due to a temptation from Satan, two of them disobeyed God by eating the forbidden fruit. As a result of this very disobedience, they were made to descend from paradise to the earth and all the children of Adam were spiritually condemned together with their parents (Romans 5:12,17-19) . The only way they can be saved from this spiritual condemnation and then admitted back into paradise is for God to send His ONLY innocent and righteous son (i:e Jesus Christ) to the earth and have the children of the same Adam TORTURE and KILL him on the cross of Calvary so that God can forgive them and everyone else for what Adam and his wife did".


This is the Christianity in a nutshell and it points out the ABSURDITY OF WASHING AWAY A SINFUL ACT BY ANOTHER SINFUL ACT THAT IS MUCH MORE GREATER . After all, if the eating of the forbidden fruit by Adam and his wife was enough to condemn all the future generations of human being, then would not the brutal killing of the innocent and righteous son of God on the cross by the children of Adam do the same and even much, much more?

Christians believe that blood of Jesus MUST be shed on the cross for the forgiveness of sins before we can be admitted back into paradise. They often justify this very belief by relying on the book of Hebrew that says;
" In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS (Hebrew 9:22)".

However, there are many places in the Bible where God promised to forgive sins even WITHOUT the slightest hint of blood shedding. For example;

# Ezekiel 18:21-22; But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. NONE OF THE TRANSGRESSIONS which he has committed shall be remembered against him".

# Isaiah 43:23-25; You have not brought Me the sheep of your burnt offerings…or the fat of your sacrifices, but you have burdened Me with your sins…Nevertheless, I will wipe out your transgressions for My own sake, and I WILL NOT REMEMBER YOUR SINS”.

# 2nd Chronicles 7:14; And if My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray, and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will FORGIVE THEIR SIN, and will heal their land".

# Psalms 78:36-39; Their heart was not steadfast toward Him, nor were they faithful in His covenant. But He, being compassionate, FORGAVE THEIR INIQUITY…remembering that they were but flesh.”

# Jeremiah 36:3; Perhaps when the people of Judah hear about every disaster I plan to inflict on them, they will each turn from their wicked ways; then I WILL FORGIVE THEIR WICKEDNESS AND THEIR SIN .”

# 1st Kings 8:46-50; If they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies who have taken them captive, and pray to You toward their land which You have given to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your name; then hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause, and FORGIVE YOUR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SINNED AGAINST YOU and all their transgressions which they have transgressed against You… ”

Similarly, Jesus(pbuh) advised his disciples as follows;

# Matthew 6:14; "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER WILL ALSO FORGIVE YOU ".

# Mark 11:25; "And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN MAY FORGIVE YOU YOUR SINS ".


So which word are we to believe ? Are we to believe in the book of Hebrew that says WITHOUT the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins (Hebrew 9:22) ? Or are we to believe in the word of God and Jesus which show that shedding of blood is NOT THE ONLY WAY to obtain divine forgiveness ?
It is very obvious that Hebrew 9:22 is completely WRONG. Yet this very verse represents one of the foundational pillars upon which the edifice of Christianity is erected. Of course, if there is alternative way and the shedding of blood is NOT THE ONLY WAY to obtain divine forgiveness for our sins, then there is NO NEED for Jesus to shed his blood for our sins on the cross of Calvary. If this is true, then God must have ANSWERED that FERVENT prayer of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane when he asked for the cup of crucifixion to be TAKEN AWAY from him in THREE different consecutive times (Matthew 26:36-44). Therefore, Jesus must have ESCAPED the death on the cross in a miraculous way as stated clearly in the Qur'an (Qur'an 4:157), and he must have escaped the CURSE of God associated with anyone that died on the cross (Deuteronomy 21:23). Hence, Jesus could not have been the accursed person who expressed a deep sorrow on the cross saying "My God, my God, why have you FORSAKEN me? (Matthew 27:46)". Of course, it is totally IRRATIONAL for an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God to be accursed and forsaken by the same God.

When you take off your BLINDERS, you will realize that Islam is far far more reasonable and nearer to the truth than the present-day Christianity.




gringringringringringringringrin


I feel bad for the fact that you wasted your time typing nonsense you have little knowledge of



I guess that's how religious bigots are shocked shocked



Whatever you type won't change anybody's opinion on the matter
This is just a way to feel good about your religion.



It will now shock you guys that God doesn't exist and all this nonsense you put yourselves through in the name of religion were all for naught
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by McMichel: 1:07am On Nov 30, 2018
Godisreal55:
The entire message of Islam can be summarized as follows;


"God decided to create the generations of human being on the surface of the earth (Qur'an 2:30). But when God finished the creation of Adam and his wife, He put them in paradise. Therefore, for God's original plan to be fulfilled, God allowed Adam and his wife to be deceived by Satan and the two of them disobeyed God by eating from the fruits of the forbidden tree. Consequently, they were expelled from paradise and sent down to the earth. On getting to the earth, Adam and his wife regretted their actions and REPENTED FROM THEIR SINFUL ACTS and God forgave them (Qur'an 2:37). Hence, they will be admitted back into paradise on the day of resurrection. Thereafter, for the children of Adam to be also admitted back into paradise from where their parents were expelled, they have to REPENT SINCERELY from their sins (Qur'an 66:8-9) and FOLLOW the guidance of God (Qur'an 2:38) which would be revealed to them from time to time through many prophets of God until the appearance of the last prophet (i:e prophet Muhammad-pbuh) that would bring the final, complete and everlasting guidance for all the people of the earth (Qur'an 7:158)".


This is Islam in a nut shell and it shows the RATIONALITY OF WASHING AWAY A SINFUL ACT BY SINCERE REPENTANCE AND THEN KEEPING TO THE GUIDANCE REVEALED BY GOD (i:e true beliefs and the divine commandments) in order to gain admission into paradise.


Similarly, the whole message of the present-day Christianity can be summarized as follows;

"God created Adam and his wife and put them in paradise. Due to a temptation from Satan, two of them disobeyed God by eating the forbidden fruit. As a result of this very disobedience, they were made to descend from paradise to the earth and all the children of Adam were spiritually condemned together with their parents (Romans 5:12,17-19) . The only way they can be saved from this spiritual condemnation and then admitted back into paradise is for God to send His ONLY innocent and righteous son (i:e Jesus Christ) to the earth and have the children of the same Adam TORTURE and KILL him on the cross of Calvary so that God can forgive them and everyone else for what Adam and his wife did".


This is the Christianity in a nutshell and it points out the ABSURDITY OF WASHING AWAY A SINFUL ACT BY ANOTHER SINFUL ACT THAT IS MUCH MORE GREATER . After all, if the eating of the forbidden fruit by Adam and his wife was enough to condemn all the future generations of human being, then would not the brutal killing of the innocent and righteous son of God on the cross by the children of Adam do the same and even much, much more?

Christians believe that blood of Jesus MUST be shed on the cross for the forgiveness of sins before we can be admitted back into paradise. They often justify this very belief by relying on the book of Hebrew that says;
" In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS (Hebrew 9:22)".

However, there are many places in the Bible where God promised to forgive sins even WITHOUT the slightest hint of blood shedding. For example;

# Ezekiel 18:21-22; But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. NONE OF THE TRANSGRESSIONS which he has committed shall be remembered against him".

# Isaiah 43:23-25; You have not brought Me the sheep of your burnt offerings…or the fat of your sacrifices, but you have burdened Me with your sins…Nevertheless, I will wipe out your transgressions for My own sake, and I WILL NOT REMEMBER YOUR SINS”.

# 2nd Chronicles 7:14; And if My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray, and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will FORGIVE THEIR SIN, and will heal their land".

# Psalms 78:36-39; Their heart was not steadfast toward Him, nor were they faithful in His covenant. But He, being compassionate, FORGAVE THEIR INIQUITY…remembering that they were but flesh.”

# Jeremiah 36:3; Perhaps when the people of Judah hear about every disaster I plan to inflict on them, they will each turn from their wicked ways; then I WILL FORGIVE THEIR WICKEDNESS AND THEIR SIN .”

# 1st Kings 8:46-50; If they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies who have taken them captive, and pray to You toward their land which You have given to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your name; then hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause, and FORGIVE YOUR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SINNED AGAINST YOU and all their transgressions which they have transgressed against You… ”

Similarly, Jesus(pbuh) advised his disciples as follows;

# Matth3ew 6:14; "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER WILL ALSO FORGIVE YOU ".

# Mark 11:25; "And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN MAY FORGIVE YOU YOUR SINS ".


So which word are we to believe ? Are we to believe in the book of Hebrew that says WITHOUT the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins (Hebrew 9:22) ? Or are we to believe in the word of God and Jesus which show that shedding of blood is NOT THE ONLY WAY to obtain divine forgiveness ?
It is very obvious that Hebrew 9:22 is completely WRONG. Yet this very verse represents one of the foundational pillars upon which the edifice of Christianity is erected. Of course, if there is alternative way and the shedding of blood is NOT THE ONLY WAY to obtain divine forgiveness for our sins, then there is NO NEED for Jesus to shed his blood for our sins on the cross of Calvary. If this is true, then God must have ANSWERED that FERVENT prayer of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane when he asked for the cup of crucifixion to be TAKEN AWAY from him in THREE different consecutive times (Matthew 26:36-44). Therefore, Jesus must have ESCAPED the death on the cross in a miraculous way as stated clearly in the Qur'an (Qur'an 4:157), and he must have escaped the CURSE of God associated with anyone that died on the cross (Deuteronomy 21:23). Hence, Jesus could not have been the accursed person who expressed a deep sorrow on the cross saying "My God, my God, why have you FORSAKEN me? (Matthew 27:46)". Of course, it is totally IRRATIONAL for an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God to be accursed and forsaken by the same God.

When you take off your BLINDERS, you will realize that Islam is far far more reasonable and nearer to the truth than the present-day Christianity.

My dear, you merely lifted passages from the bible without contextualising them but distorting them. This act is highly atrocious and outrageous. It strongly betrays your ignorance of the holy scriptures.
No sound Christian will just pick a single verse of the bible and make a doctrine out of it because just as we normally say: scripture interprets scripture.

Second, The God of the Bible is a just God. Justice is an essential attribute of God. If he doesn't punish sin proportionately then he's not true to himself and ceases to be God. Rom 3: 21-26.
I don't want to go deeper than this because you will never understand it since you don't have the Spirit of God yet but the spirit of the world- 1Cor 2:12-15 but let it be known to you today that God punished the sins of the human race from Adam till date in Christ Jesus and salvation is found in no-one else for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved- Acts 4:12.
Thirdly, Prophet Muhammad himself who was known as a prophet with the sword confirmed that Jesus was sinless. How can it be that the one (Prophet Muhammad) who went about on a killing spree and confiscation of properties under the guise of Jihad be the one to bring peace between God and Man?
It is well.

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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 8:56am On Nov 30, 2018
McMichel:


My dear, you merely lifted passages from the bible without contextualising them but distorting them. This act is highly atrocious and outrageous. It strongly betrays your ignorance of the holy scriptures.
No sound Christian will just pick a single verse of the bible and make a doctrine out of it because just as we normally say: scripture interprets scripture.

Second, The God of the Bible is a just God. Justice is an essential attribute of God. If he doesn't punish sin proportionately then he's not true to himself and ceases to be God. Rom 3: 21-26.
I don't want to go deeper than this because you will never understand it since you don't have the Spirit of God yet but the spirit of the world- 1Cor 2:12-15 but let it be known to you today that God punished the sins of the human race from Adam till date in Christ Jesus and salvation is found in no-one else for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved- Acts 4:12.
Thirdly, Prophet Muhammad himself who was known as a prophet with the sword confirmed that Jesus was sinless. How can it be that the one (Prophet Muhammad) who went about on a killing spree and confiscation of properties under the guise of Jihad be the one to bring peace between God and Man?
It is well.





I hope the op will read your post and ponder on the questions.

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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 11:17am On Nov 30, 2018
[/quote]You confuse Jehovah/Jesus with Allah. I told you that islam permits divorce with other reasons other than fornication. The prophet (SAW) feared what people would say of his marriage to Zayd's and didn't want to marry her but Allah commanded him, telling him that as opposed to what the people believe, adopted children should not be refer to as ones children. You accused the prophet of not trying to fix Zayd's marriage but you were not there, you can't say if he did or not. Zayd himself divorced his wife, no one snatched her from him. Like I said, your religion permit alcohol, I don't think anyone should call It satanic because of that. Tamar slept with her father-in- law in the bible, Lot's daughters did the same with their fathers.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 11:39am On Nov 30, 2018
AryEmber:

You confuse Jehovah/Jesus with Allah. I told you that islam permits divorce with other reasons other than fornication. The prophet (SAW) feared what people would say of his marriage to Zayd's and didn't want to marry her but Allah commanded him, telling him that as opposed to what the people believe, adopted children should not be refer to as ones children. You accused the prophet of not trying to fix Zayd's marriage but you were not there, you can't say if he did or not. Zayd himself divorced his wife, no one snatched her from him. Like I said, your religion permit alcohol, I don't think anyone should call It satanic because of that. Tamar slept with her father-in- law in the bible, Lot's daughters did the same with their fathers.


Is like you don't understand that this world is full of the deceit of the devil.

Can you pls answer this question:
Is the God of the Christians / Jews the same God of the Muslims ?
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 12:01pm On Nov 30, 2018
enilove:



Is like you don't understand that this world is full of the deceit of the devil.

Can you pls answer this question:
Is the God of the Christians / Jews the same God of the Muslims ?
An Outsider may say yes but from our two religion, they're different.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 12:19pm On Nov 30, 2018
AryEmber:
An Outsider may say yes but from our two religion, they're different.

You are right. But Islam says otherwise. Can God lie?

That is why Islam is satanic . It links itself with the God of the Bible but its modes of worship and beliefs are the same with the idol worshippers.

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 1:04pm On Nov 30, 2018
enilove:


You are right. But Islam says otherwise. Can God lie?

That is why Islam is satanic . It links itself with the God of the Bible but its modes of worship and beliefs are the same with the idol worshippers.

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'





I don't get it? Islam says what? You people love saying islam copyed christianity but where's the prove. What we have is a story from two different perspective, how do you know who copyed who? I don't know the book you quoted, I don't understand it either.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 1:14pm On Nov 30, 2018
AryEmber:
I don't get it? Islam says what? You people love saying islam copyed christianity but where's the prove. What we have is a story from two different perspective, how do you know who copyed who? I don't know the book you quoted, I don't understand it either.

Haba madam .....

The Bible (new testament) was available 600 years before Islam.

The Bible (old testament) was available more than 800-2000 before Islam.

We can know who copied who.

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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 2:08pm On Nov 30, 2018
Originakalokalo:


Haba madam .....

The Bible (new testament) was available 600 years before Islam.

The Bible (old testament) was available more than 800-2000 before Islam.

We can know who copied who.
Before Prophet Muhammmad (SAW) or before people start worshiping Allah
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 2:43pm On Nov 30, 2018
AryEmber:
I don't get it? Islam says what? You people love saying islam copyed christianity but where's the prove. What we have is a story from two different perspective, how do you know who copyed who? I don't know the book you quoted, I don't understand it either.

I don't know where to begin .

Christianity had been existing for about 570 years b4 muhammad said he got a revelation from an angel Gabriel. Christians were living in Saudi Arabia , as at then, with the Pagans, and were known to be worshippers of one God .
That is , the Arab Christians had copies of the Bible written in Arabic.

The muslims make use of the Quran and the hadiths to establish their faith. The hadiths are numerous but the most accepted and authentic are the Sahih Buhkari &Sahih Muslim .
Wherever there is sharia laws , these books along with the history of Muhammad form the basis of their jurisdictions.

The book I quoted from is the Bukhari .
The hadith comprises of the hearsays of people who knew about what happened during the time of Muhammad.
Islam has 2 primary sources. The Quran and the hadiths. The hadith is about the teachings , words , actions and accounts of the daily practices of muhammad ( sunna ) as narrated by his companions .

As a muslim , you need to know and read these books , so as not to be decieved by anyone.

An evidence to show Islam copied christianity :

Volume 1, Book 11, Number 578:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people SUGGESTED the use of a bell like the Christians, others PROPOSED a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but 'Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Apostle ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers.

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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 3:02pm On Nov 30, 2018
enilove:


I don't know where to begin .

Christianity had been existing for about 570 years b4 muhammad said he got a revelation from an angel Gabriel. Christians were living in Saudi Arabia , as at then, with the Pagans, and were known to be worshippers of one God .
That is , the Arab Christians had copies of the Bible written in Arabic.

The muslims make use of the Quran and the hadiths to establish their faith. The hadiths are numerous but the most accepted and authentic are the Sahih Buhkari &Sahih Muslim .
Wherever there is sharia laws , these books along with the history of Muhammad form the basis of their jurisdictions.

The book I quoted from is the Bukhari .
The hadith comprises of the hearsays of people who knew about what happened during the time of Muhammad.
Islam has 2 primary sources. The Quran and the hadiths. The hadith is about the teachings , words , actions and accounts of the daily practices of muhammad ( sunna ) as narrated by his companions .

As a muslim , you need to know and read these books , so as not to be decieved by anyone.

An evidence to show Islam copied christianity :

Volume 1, Book 11, Number 578:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people SUGGESTED the use of a bell like the Christians, others PROPOSED a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but 'Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Apostle ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers



Interestingly interesting.

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Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 3:15pm On Nov 30, 2018
enilove:


I don't know where to begin .

Christianity had been existing for about 570 years b4 muhammad said he got a revelation from an angel Gabriel. Christians were living in Saudi Arabia , as at then, with the Pagans, and were known to be worshippers of one God .
That is , the Arab Christians had copies of the Bible written in Arabic.

The muslims make use of the Quran and the hadiths to establish their faith. The hadiths are numerous but the most accepted and authentic are the Sahih Buhkari &Sahih Muslim .
Wherever there is sharia laws , these books along with the history of Muhammad form the basis of their jurisdictions.

The book I quoted from is the Bukhari .
The hadith comprises of the hearsays of people who knew about what happened during the time of Muhammad.
Islam has 2 primary sources. The Quran and the hadiths. The hadith is about the teachings , words , actions and accounts of the daily practices of muhammad ( sunna ) as narrated by his companions .

As a muslim , you need to know and read these books , so as not to be decieved by anyone.

An evidence to show Islam copied christianity :

Volume 1, Book 11, Number 578:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people SUGGESTED the use of a bell like the Christians, others PROPOSED a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but 'Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Apostle ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers.





As a muslim, I need only to read my Quran and the authetic hadiths. The prophet claimed to have received revelations, I don't think you have evidence to prove he was lying.
Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 4:54pm On Nov 30, 2018
AryEmber:
As a muslim, I need only to read my Quran and the authetic hadiths. The prophet claimed to have received revelations, I don't think you have evidence to prove he was lying.

The evidence is clear .
Muhammad claimed the God of the Bible was his God , but his actions , religion , commandments and name of his god are clearly different from the God of the Bible.

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