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Barristter07:
When Jesus addressed his opposer's, he said David call him " Lord ". NOT David call him my Lord . any difference or misquote ? No. Cos it's the same thing.

Scripture said Sarah called Abraham " lord " as a sign of subjection. 1 Pet 3:5,6

Only a daft person won't see it's obvious lord mean my lord.



Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga ?

The Father will never. Call him that , because Yahweh cannot call someone under him Lord.

Lol, you didn't explain anything, That's where your problem began. Lack of understanding

Oga, Master of which heaven and earth ... Sky Atmosphere or planet earth ? Until you explain what that " heaven " and ' earth " means , you would keep running in one position .



You are disorganized , how won't you forget?

Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , ad the speaker is Yahweh .

unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection .

I cite how Jesus made this power point clear when he address his opposer's that how could Said call the messiah Lord if he is just a son . [b] the logic is if David is bigger, he won't have called that one " Lord "

This you never responded to. But instead chose to bring irrelevant matters .

Barristter07:
Zodiakzax



na wah , Adam cannot save you. Like I said earlier " SUM " go put you for. Hot trouble

Which human being perfect or imperfect ?

" since therefore the children share in flesh and blood , he himself likewise partook of the SAME NATURE " Heb 2:14 RSV

Abeg, which nature did the children have which Jesus shared same , Perfect or Imperfect ?

Don't forget " Sum "

Good.



For the records, human spirit is not a person. ( Luke 23: 46



The problem with defending a. Lie is , you will keep telling another lie to cover the first one. And you well know this is not the first time of you been caught telling lies on this thread to defend yourself.

@ red , if going by your assumption ( which is funny as hawizzy007 pointed out in relation to Trinity, means Trinity never existed from beginning . . ) that a topic for another day

If holyspirit is same with the Father before been manifested to the world , TELL US Which Spirit. God gave Moses ? The Father ?





Neither did he say " its in the power of the Father and I " .

But clear , Fathers own power !

Scripture doesn't. Contradict ( Matt 24:36)

So much for " Sum "




The Father calls him My son, and he himself said i am Gods son. Later at revelation he DECLared it again.

You have no point.

A son exist NOT the same.day as the father .

Father exist BEFORE the son.



You are still babbling.

You missed the point totally.

Begotten means bring into existence .

Abraham exist Before Isaac , how was he begotten? By sexual inter course with Sarah . the only one from that union.

Clearly the Father exist before the son , so how was Jesus brought into existence

zodiakzax:
Honestly i admire the way you still fight a lost battle, if i was with you we would have discussed this over tea but unfortunately I have to expose your lies to the public again..

Let's start then:

You said: "When Jesus addressed his opposer's, he said David call him " Lord ". NOT David call him my Lord . any difference or misquote ? No. Cos it's the same thing."

So let's see if you are right that David didn't call Him My Lord... this is the verse Jesus was referring to:

DAVID SAID" The Lord said unto MY LORD, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
Psalms 110:1 KJV

So David clearly called him My Lord. Jesus in response to that said David Called HIM LORD. It will be a mistake for Jesus to say David called me My LORD, because David already called him My Lord.

You see how your lie has been exposed


Again you cited another example, you said "Scripture said Sarah called Abraham " lord " as a sign of subjection. 1 Pet 3:5,6"

Well Let's see the verse Peter was referring to:

Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my Lord being old also?
Genesis 18:11‭-‬12 KJV

So Sarah called Abraham My Lord. , no need for Peter to repeat that because Sarah calling Abraham My Lord means He was his Lord. yet another lie exposed, you lots think this is a joke right? You go about misleading people who are not vest in scriptures. So you think you know scriptures...

So who is daft now?

Again you asked

"Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga?"

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 KJV

JESUS is the Lord of Heaven and earth and under the Earth.

Are you okay with that? So can I say your question was a stupid one since you already know so well this scripture?

You said "The Father will never. Call him that , because Yahweh cannot call someone under him Lord."


Well Yahweh cannot call another Lord because He is the Only True God and beside Him there's no other God .....so likewise did Jesus call the Father My Lord?

You continued:

"Oga, Master of which heaven and earth ... Sky Atmosphere or planet earth ? Until you explain what that " heaven " and ' earth " means , you would keep running in one position"

must i explain that too? ..."Sky Atmosphere or planet earth?" Well Jesus Christ said Heaven and Earth, so pray to him and ask him which is he referring to.. ...You know he will personally answer right?.... most irrelevant question in this thread.....I must explain heaven and earth to you..


you were obviously not answering me by telling me where Christ called The Father My Lord. So your lack of not answering me made me forget what we even started, my apologies..

Now getting to the interesting part

You said:


"Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , and the speaker is Yahweh .

unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection ."



So do you agree with me that the Speaker is Yahweh and not Isaiah?

If you agree with me that the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 is Yahweh then I will gladly answer you.


You continued


"I cite how Jesus made this power point clear when he address his opposer's that how could Said call the messiah Lord if he is just a son . [b] the logic is if David is bigger, he won't have called that one " Lord "


You are now putting words in Jesus' mouth....
And that was not the logic... let us and the readers get the logic themselves from the scripture

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Matthew 22:44‭-‬45 KJV

You see so the logic was what Christ said it was, that if David called Jesus Lord, how is He then his Son?


You said

"This you never responded to. But instead chose to bring irrelevant matters"

I did respond to that, so in response to that I asked where Jesus called The Father My Lord?

zodiakzax:
Honestly i admire the way you still fight a lost battle, if i was with you we would have discussed this over tea but unfortunately I have to expose your lies to the public again..

Let's start then:

You said: "When Jesus addressed his opposer's, he said David call him " Lord ". NOT David call him my Lord . any difference or misquote ? No. Cos it's the same thing."

So let's see if you are right that David didn't call Him My Lord... this is the verse Jesus was referring to:

DAVID SAID" The Lord said unto MY LORD, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
Psalms 110:1 KJV

So David clearly called him My Lord. Jesus in response to that said David Called HIM LORD. It will be a mistake for Jesus to say David called me My LORD, because David already called him My Lord.

You see how your lie has been exposed


Again you cited another example, you said "Scripture said Sarah called Abraham " lord " as a sign of subjection. 1 Pet 3:5,6"

Well Let's see the verse Peter was referring to:

Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my Lord being old also?
Genesis 18:11‭-‬12 KJV

So Sarah called Abraham My Lord. , no need for Peter to repeat that because Sarah calling Abraham My Lord means He was his Lord. yet another lie exposed, you lots think this is a joke right? You go about misleading people who are not vest in scriptures. So you think you know scriptures...

So who is daft now?

Again you asked

"Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga?"

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 KJV

JESUS is the Lord of Heaven and earth and under the Earth.

Are you okay with that? So can I say your question was a stupid one since you already know so well this scripture?

You said "The Father will never. Call him that , because Yahweh cannot call someone under him Lord."

Well Yahweh cannot call another Lord because He is the Only True God and beside Him there's no other God.....so likewise did Jesus call the Father My Lord?


You continued:

"Oga, Master of which heaven and earth ... Sky Atmosphere or planet earth ? Until you explain what that " heaven " and ' earth " means , you would keep running in one position"

must i explain that too? ..."Sky Atmosphere or planet earth?" Well Jesus Christ said Heaven and Earth, so pray to him and ask him which is he referring to.. ...You know he will personally answer right?.... most irrelevant question in this thread.....I must explain heaven and earth to you..


you were obviously not answering me by telling me where Christ called The Father My Lord. So your lack of not answering me made me forget what we even started, my apologies..

Now getting to the interesting part

You said:


"Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , and the speaker is Yahweh .

unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection ."



So do you agree with me that the Speaker is Yahweh and not Isaiah?

If you agree with me that the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 is Yahweh then I will gladly answer you.


You continued


"I cite how Jesus made this power point clear when he address his opposer's that how could Said call the messiah Lord if he is just a son . [b] the logic is if David is bigger, he won't have called that one " Lord "


You are now putting words in Jesus' mouth....
And that was not the logic... let us and the readers get the logic themselves from the scripture

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Matthew 22:44‭-‬45 KJV

You see so the logic was what Christ said it was, that if David called Jesus Lord, how is He then his Son?


You said

"This you never responded to. But instead chose to bring irrelevant matters"

I did respond to that, so in response to that I asked where Jesus called The Father My Lord?

zodiakzax:
Honestly i admire the way you still fight a lost battle, if i was with you we would have discussed this over tea but unfortunately I have to expose your lies to the public again..

Let's start then:

You said: "When Jesus addressed his opposer's, he said David call him " Lord ". NOT David call him my Lord . any difference or misquote ? No. Cos it's the same thing."

So let's see if you are right that David didn't call Him My Lord... this is the verse Jesus was referring to:

DAVID SAID" The Lord said unto MY LORD, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
Psalms 110:1 KJV

So David clearly called him My Lord. Jesus in response to that said David Called HIM LORD. It will be a mistake for Jesus to say David called me My LORD, because David already called him My Lord.

You see how your lie has been exposed


Again you cited another example, you said "Scripture said Sarah called Abraham " lord " as a sign of subjection. 1 Pet 3:5,6"

Well Let's see the verse Peter was referring to:

Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my Lord being old also?
Genesis 18:11‭-‬12 KJV

So Sarah called Abraham My Lord. , no need for Peter to repeat that because Sarah calling Abraham My Lord means He was his Lord. yet another lie exposed, you lots think this is a joke right? You go about misleading people who are not vest in scriptures. So you think you know scriptures...

So who is daft now?

Again you asked

"Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga?"

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 KJV

JESUS is the Lord of Heaven and earth and under the Earth.

Are you okay with that? So can I say your question was a stupid one since you already know so well this scripture?

You said "The Father will never. Call him that , because Yahweh cannot call someone under him Lord."

Well Yahweh cannot call another Lord because He is the Only True God and beside Him there's no other God.....so likewise did Jesus call the Father My Lord?


You continued:

"Oga, Master of which heaven and earth ... Sky Atmosphere or planet earth ? Until you explain what that " heaven " and ' earth " means , you would keep running in one position"

must i explain that too? ..."Sky Atmosphere or planet earth?" Well Jesus Christ said Heaven and Earth, so pray to him and ask him which is he referring to.. ...You know he will personally answer right?.... most irrelevant question in this thread.....I must explain heaven and earth to you..


you were obviously not answering me by telling me where Christ called The Father My Lord. So your lack of not answering me made me forget what we even started, my apologies..

Now getting to the interesting part

You said:


"Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , and the speaker is Yahweh .

unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection ."



So do you agree with me that the Speaker is Yahweh and not Isaiah?

If you agree with me that the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 is Yahweh then I will gladly answer you.


You continued


"I cite how Jesus made this power point clear when he address his opposer's that how could Said call the messiah Lord if he is just a son . [b] the logic is if David is bigger, he won't have called that one " Lord "


You are now putting words in Jesus' mouth....
And that was not the logic... let us and the readers get the logic themselves from the scripture

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Matthew 22:44‭-‬45 KJV

You see so the logic was what Christ said it was, that if David called Jesus Lord, how is He then his Son?


You said

"This you never responded to. But instead chose to bring irrelevant matters"

I did respond to that, so in response to that I asked where Jesus called The Father My Lord?

haywizzy007:
Lool
The guy wanted Jesus Christ to say "FATHER MY LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH"

OneJ:
Matt 11:25
"At that time Jesus said, I PRAISE YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned , and revealed them to little children"


Lies , twisting and distortion na virus for your blood
zodiakzax !!!!!!!

CAPTIVATOR:


And either Jesus is on earth or heaven . the Father Is his Lord is what the statement means

CAPTIVATOR:


And either Jesus is on earth or heaven . the Father Is his Lord is what the statement means

CAPTIVATOR:
^^



Am not sure Peter, John and many other disciple ever address Jesus as my lord .but am not sure that also means he isn't their Lord. More reason why I said it doesn't make sense to drag this

CAPTIVATOR:


Which doesn't make sense, am not sure Peter ever called Jesus my Lord either. A good debater don't dwell on non crucial matters . Its obvious the guy hold on to that because that aspect of the most high calling another lord has definitely wronged the whole idea he presents at Isaiah 48:16 .

Barristter07:
Zodiakzax



na wah , Adam cannot save you. Like I said earlier " SUM " go put you for. Hot trouble

Which human being perfect or imperfect ?

" since therefore the children share in flesh and blood , he himself likewise partook of the SAME NATURE " Heb 2:14 RSV

Abeg, which nature did the children have which Jesus shared same , Perfect or Imperfect ?

Don't forget " Sum "

Good.



For the records, human spirit is not a person. ( Luke 23: 46



The problem with defending a. Lie is , you will keep telling another lie to cover the first one. And you well know this is not the first time of you been caught telling lies on this thread to defend yourself.

@ red , if going by your assumption ( which is funny as hawizzy007 pointed out in relation to Trinity, means Trinity never existed from beginning . . ) that a topic for another day

If holyspirit is same with the Father before been manifested to the world , TELL US Which Spirit. God gave Moses ? The Father ?





Neither did he say " its in the power of the Father and I " .

But clear , Fathers own power !

Scripture doesn't. Contradict ( Matt 24:36)

So much for " Sum "




The Father calls him My son, and he himself said i am Gods son. Later at revelation he DECLared it again.

You have no point.

A son exist NOT the same.day as the father .

Father exist BEFORE the son.



You are still babbling.

You missed the point totally.

Begotten means bring into existence .

Abraham exist Before Isaac , how was he begotten? By sexual inter course with Sarah . the only one from that union.

Clearly the Father exist before the son , so how was Jesus brought into existence

CAPTIVATOR:


^^

Its a pure perversion of scripture to say Jesus is the Lord of heaven and earth because the Father commanded others to call him Lord. A good Bible student knows His Father isnt included , So I wonder how you reason. Whereas we know fully well that Jesus is among those that the Father Lords over being the sovereign Lord . also confessing Jesus is Lord is the same as Jesus is my Lord. So also Jesus saying Father is the Lord of heaven and earth - {Sovereign Lord} means Father is my Lord . It doesn't make sense dragging this.

zodiakzax:
Barristter07


Let me start answering you then, hope everyone enjoys:

You said:

"na wah , Adam cannot save you. Like I said earlier " SUM " go put you for. Hot trouble"


Ans: irrelevant, If Adam hadn't disobeyed, God wouldn't have come to die for my sins.

You said

"Which human being perfect or imperfect ?"

Bruv honestly all jokes aside are you saying Jesus was born Imperfect? God never made man imperfect, Sin made man imperfect, God cannot come as an imperfect man but a perfect man hence the miraculous birth of Jesus. I'm being serious here don't for argument sake be stupid to say My Lord Jesus was born imperfect...

You said

" since therefore the children share in flesh and blood , he himself likewise partook of the SAME NATURE " Heb 2:14 RSV

Abeg, which nature did the children have which Jesus shared same , Perfect or Imperfect ?"

Now we jumb to RSV, , what happened to Phil 2:7 NWT version... by the way John 1:1 RSV says and the Word was God.. So by using RSV do you believe it's true?



Well The perfect humans in the garden of Eden weren't made of gold and silver, gold their body and silver their blood, they were also flesh and blood just like us.


Don't forget " Sum "..... I didn't...

You said

"For the records, human spirit is not a person". ( Luke 23: 46


Well without the Spirit of man there's no person. The Human is Spirit, Soul, Body... without one the other isn't complete.



Good now the problem:

You said

"The problem with defending a. Lie is , you will keep telling another lie to cover the first one. And you well know this is not the first time of you been caught telling lies on this thread to defend yourself.

[i] @ red , if going by your assumption ( which is funny as hawizzy007 pointed out in relation to Trinity, means Trinity never existed from beginning . . ) that a topic for another day"

Well why can't the topic be for today? Hawizzy007 obviously did not understand what i wrote and therefore making a fool out of himself, you on the other hand I thought was more discerning than the others, you have also completely showed that you as dumb as them..... Well I challenge you to prove to me from my statement that what i said meant trinity never existed from the beginning....


You said

"If holyspirit is same with the Father before been manifested to the world , TELL US Which Spirit. God gave Moses ? The Father ?"


Let's see what I said

So the Holy Spirit took over COMPLETELY AS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY WHEN JESUS SENT HIM. SO JESUS COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS THE SAME GOD (BEING ONE WITH THE FATHER)HE WAS REFERRING TO AS KNOWING THE TIME. 

Well I never said he was same as the Father,did I? ....I said he was the Same God, being ONE with the Father.. Holy Spirit is God and He is One with the Father as God. I never said the Holy Spirit was the Father did I?


Now you said "Neither did he say " its in the power of the Father and I " .

But clear , Fathers own power !

Scripture doesn't. Contradict ( Matt 24:36)"

Well you made a bold statement that you can show me where Christ said he didn't know the time even after the resurrection.

So we both agreed that Christ wasn't the same after the Resurrection. I told you before the resurrection we know Christ didn't know the time because He said so, and because He humbled himself as Man and didn't want to claim equality with God.

Since we both agree that Christ changed after the resurrection then we need to also carefully examine him after the resurrection,

when asked the same question after the resurrection He didn't say He didn't know, all he said was it was in the Fathers own Power, so since as you said he didn't also say "its in the power of the Father and I" then we can't conclude hence your so sure claim doesn't make sense... You were still assuming...



You said
"The Father calls him My son, and he himself said i am Gods son. Later at revelation he DECLared it again."


You are still making a fool of yourself by denying that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God. Why are you denying scriptures man. Scripture clearly says He's the Begotten Son of God.


You are clearly getting out of your senses bruv, your organization believe that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God and yet you come here because you were exposed, to lie.. my problem is with your organization and their lies not you, so if YOU don't believe that Jesus Is the BEGOTTEN Son of God then that's up to you.

Quoting from your website your organization says:


"The angels of heaven are sons of God even as Adam was a “son of God.” (Ge 6:2; Job 1:6; 38:7; Lu 3:38) But the Loʹgos, later called Jesus, is “the only-begotten Son of God".


Here is the link, go and educate yourself in your false doctrines again and come well..

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003331


To further expose your stupidity you continued:

"Begotten means bring into existence"

Well, term begotten anything you please bruv since it doenst mean create then we are cool.

Your stupidity continues:

Abraham exist Before Isaac , how was he begotten? By sexual inter course with Sarah . the only one from that union.

Clearly the Father exist before the son , so how was Jesus brought into existence"

Yahweh had sexual intercourse with Himself, seems thats what you want me to say .... stupidity... most useless question I have ever been asked....

Isaac was the Begotten of Abraham even though he wasnt the only Son, even though Isaac including the other Sons of Abraham came as a result of sexual intercourse, Isaac is said to be the Begotten of Abraham.. You brought this up and I agreed with you..

So why this stupid question? YAHWEH BROUGHT FORTH THE SON,GENERATED THE SON BUT YAHWEH DID NOT CREATE THE SON.

and i am said to miss the point totally...




You see guys what he is doing? Because of proving a stupid point he clearly denies the teachings of his organization by refusing to aknowledge that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God. Because if he did that it shows Jesus is not an angel hence proving to the whole world that his organization is false and makes mockery out of them and himself. He choose to believe a lie than accept the truth.

He has also failed to comment on when I challenge him to show me where Jesus said He was the Son Of God. He showed that he was basing his argument on an ASSUMPTION..

He is also saying Jesus wasn't a perfect Human being and that Yahweh had sexual intercourse with himself to bring forth the Son.


SHAME ON YOU BARRISTTER07

brocab:
This preacher is Paul Washer, if you are super serious to know the truth-then he may explain the Word of God to you, clearly on the video! But if you are not super serious then I suppose you are just here enjoying the arguments: But if you can find God, in between all that, then good luck.
And rightly said: lets read the Word of God in the Watchtower NWT Bible {1 John 5:20} And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
And again lets read another verse that is written in their bible-that they verbally refuse to believe?
NWT Bible {Revelation 22:20} “The one who bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming quickly.’”d
“Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.”
So you can see, surprisingly the KJ's and the NWT bible are true in these two scriptures-the JW's have always preach Jehovah is coming back-so really if this is true, then Jehovah is Jesus who is coming back-and if Jesus is Jehovah-then Jesus is God coming back, this they verbally deny, it is written in black and white-it stands out clearly, the truth doesn't change, and of course someone in the Watchtower believes in these verses, they can't be removed, even if they do rewrite their bible again, they argue over something they don't know, because when confusion sets in' they are lost, if they knew how to read their bible, everybody will be on the same page-to know who God really is....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLE55jzhUT8

zodiakzax:
..just a simple verse and all this round about.....


So if EVERY KNEE IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH MUST BOW TO JESUS AND CALL HIM LORD, WHY THEN ARE TOU SAYING HE IS NOT THE LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH? IT PLEASES YAHWEH THAT EVERYONE INCLUDING HIMSELF SHALL AKNOWLEDGE THAT JESUS IS LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.

OneJ:
Mumu post.

Mr Twister , that scripture ,Phil 2:10 never said "including Yahweh himself"
V10 says " to the glory of God the Father." Proof of Yahweh's supreme authority.
For instance, if the Kabiyesi of your tribe gave U a highly exalted appointment in your Community, will the kabiyesi prostrate for U ?
1 Cor 15:24 is a record of events that transpired in heaven.
U read am, yet U no get sense ?

Barristter07:
The. One who gave that instruction and subject all things to him is Excluded . 1 Cor 15:47

So you lied.

Jesus is not the Lord of. Heaven and earth ,



And the one sent at Isaiah 48:16 called another Lord. Showing the one sent is not Yahweh.

Good .



Lord of heaven and earth means. Lord of everyone in heaven and earth. Jesus included.

Fine, that further proved the point that someone lesser call the higher " Lord" .

The Father is not included . the one who subject everything to him is EXCLUDED. 1 Cor 15:47 so Jesus isn't the Lord of heaven and earth.

Hairyrapunzel:
As far he addressed him as father there. Abeg which bible verse did Jesus address jehovah as my lord or my master?

All these ones just because you believe that 8 old men who head a publishing company/corporation called watchtower are the only channel of communication between God and man today because these 8 old men told you so and they also said you shouldn't question them. *spits out*

Abeg last last una no fit bring out verse abi?
Your answer now is "And either Jesus is on earth or heaven . the Father Is his Lord is what the statement means"


Yet your colleagues claim that Jesus addressed jehovah as my lord in that verse . OK I just they look they laff.

zodiakzax:
..just a simple verse and all this round about.....


So if EVERY KNEE IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH MUST BOW TO JESUS AND CALL HIM LORD, WHY THEN ARE TOU SAYING HE IS NOT THE LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH? IT PLEASES YAHWEH THAT EVERYONE INCLUDING HIMSELF SHALL AKNOWLEDGE THAT JESUS IS LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.

zodiakzax:
Barristter07


Let me start answering you then, hope everyone enjoys:

You said:

"na wah , Adam cannot save you. Like I said earlier " SUM " go put you for. Hot trouble"


Ans: irrelevant, If Adam hadn't disobeyed, God wouldn't have come to die for my sins.

You said

"Which human being perfect or imperfect ?"

Bruv honestly all jokes aside are you saying Jesus was born Imperfect? God never made man imperfect, Sin made man imperfect, God cannot come as an imperfect man but a perfect man hence the miraculous birth of Jesus. I'm being serious here don't for argument sake be stupid to say My Lord Jesus was born imperfect...

You said

" since therefore the children share in flesh and blood , he himself likewise partook of the SAME NATURE " Heb 2:14 RSV

Abeg, which nature did the children have which Jesus shared same , Perfect or Imperfect ?"

Now we jumb to RSV, , what happened to Phil 2:7 NWT version... by the way John 1:1 RSV says and the Word was God.. So by using RSV do you believe it's true?



Well The perfect humans in the garden of Eden weren't made of gold and silver, gold their body and silver their blood, they were also flesh and blood just like us.


Don't forget " Sum "..... I didn't...

You said

"For the records, human spirit is not a person". ( Luke 23: 46


Well without the Spirit of man there's no person. The Human is Spirit, Soul, Body... without one the other isn't complete.



Good now the problem:

You said

"The problem with defending a. Lie is , you will keep telling another lie to cover the first one. And you well know this is not the first time of you been caught telling lies on this thread to defend yourself.

[i] @ red , if going by your assumption ( which is funny as hawizzy007 pointed out in relation to Trinity, means Trinity never existed from beginning . . ) that a topic for another day"

Well why can't the topic be for today? Hawizzy007 obviously did not understand what i wrote and therefore making a fool out of himself, you on the other hand I thought was more discerning than the others, you have also completely showed that you as dumb as them..... Well I challenge you to prove to me from my statement that what i said meant trinity never existed from the beginning....


You said

"If holyspirit is same with the Father before been manifested to the world , TELL US Which Spirit. God gave Moses ? The Father ?"


Let's see what I said

So the Holy Spirit took over COMPLETELY AS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY WHEN JESUS SENT HIM. SO JESUS COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS THE SAME GOD (BEING ONE WITH THE FATHER)HE WAS REFERRING TO AS KNOWING THE TIME. 

Well I never said he was same as the Father,did I? ....I said he was the Same God, being ONE with the Father.. Holy Spirit is God and He is One with the Father as God. I never said the Holy Spirit was the Father did I?


Now you said "Neither did he say " its in the power of the Father and I " .

But clear , Fathers own power !

Scripture doesn't. Contradict ( Matt 24:36)"

Well you made a bold statement that you can show me where Christ said he didn't know the time even after the resurrection.

So we both agreed that Christ wasn't the same after the Resurrection. I told you before the resurrection we know Christ didn't know the time because He said so, and because He humbled himself as Man and didn't want to claim equality with God.

Since we both agree that Christ changed after the resurrection then we need to also carefully examine him after the resurrection,

when asked the same question after the resurrection He didn't say He didn't know, all he said was it was in the Fathers own Power, so since as you said he didn't also say "its in the power of the Father and I" then we can't conclude hence your so sure claim doesn't make sense... You were still assuming...



You said
"The Father calls him My son, and he himself said i am Gods son. Later at revelation he DECLared it again."


You are still making a fool of yourself by denying that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God. Why are you denying scriptures man. Scripture clearly says He's the Begotten Son of God.


You are clearly getting out of your senses bruv, your organization believe that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God and yet you come here because you were exposed, to lie.. my problem is with your organization and their lies not you, so if YOU don't believe that Jesus Is the BEGOTTEN Son of God then that's up to you.

Quoting from your website your organization says:


"The angels of heaven are sons of God even as Adam was a “son of God.” (Ge 6:2; Job 1:6; 38:7; Lu 3:38) But the Loʹgos, later called Jesus, is “the only-begotten Son of God".


Here is the link, go and educate yourself in your false doctrines again and come well..

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003331


To further expose your stupidity you continued:

"Begotten means bring into existence"

Well, term begotten anything you please bruv since it doenst mean create then we are cool.

Your stupidity continues:

Abraham exist Before Isaac , how was he begotten? By sexual inter course with Sarah . the only one from that union.

Clearly the Father exist before the son , so how was Jesus brought into existence"

Yahweh had sexual intercourse with Himself, seems thats what you want me to say .... stupidity... most useless question I have ever been asked....

Isaac was the Begotten of Abraham even though he wasnt the only Son, even though Isaac including the other Sons of Abraham came as a result of sexual intercourse, Isaac is said to be the Begotten of Abraham.. You brought this up and I agreed with you..

So why this stupid question? YAHWEH BROUGHT FORTH THE SON,GENERATED THE SON BUT YAHWEH DID NOT CREATE THE SON.

and i am said to miss the point totally...




You see guys what he is doing? Because of proving a stupid point he clearly denies the teachings of his organization by refusing to aknowledge that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God. Because if he did that it shows Jesus is not an angel hence proving to the whole world that his organization is false and makes mockery out of them and himself. He choose to believe a lie than accept the truth.

He has also failed to comment on when I challenge him to show me where Jesus said He was the Son Of God. He showed that he was basing his argument on an ASSUMPTION..

He is also saying Jesus wasn't a perfect Human being and that Yahweh had sexual intercourse with himself to bring forth the Son.


SHAME ON YOU BARRISTTER07

Gruni1234:
All points noted, you clearly have the upper hand. Detailed and masterfully executed. I am quite busy to fully comment, but will surely do. It's quite obvious barrister is struggling and isnt fully conversant with his doctrine. Your organisation clearly said Jesus is the Begotten Son of God. It's striking why you continue to deny that. But just try to reduce your insults @zodiakzax, points will still be made and understood without the verbal assault. Remember we are reading.

zodiakzax:

If I were you I would shut up and go back to the other threads, before you start making yourself look stupid which you have already started....

I asked your block head guy Barristter07 if he agrees with me that it was Yahweh and not Isaiah speaking in Isaiah 48:16, did he answer? I told him if he did I will compare that to see if indeed Yahweh called another My Lord? He read it and kept mute so instead of saying things you don't know go back to my thread with him and comment .

zodiakzax:
another one coming to make a fool out of himself

Well Let's see who called Him My Lord


And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:28 KJV

You see your lie?


So who was Thomas? Falls within the Many other disciples i guess, in fact he was one of the 12....

CAPTIVATOR:
Don't let me respond to this , but am certain when he does, he will dismantl this response you called defence

CAPTIVATOR:
1 out of 12 and you are happy Bro?

I guess he isn't the Lord of the other 11
. since they never said " My Lord " . Do we agree ?

zodiakzax:
Barristter07


Let me start answering you then, hope everyone enjoys:

You said:

"na wah , Adam cannot save you. Like I said earlier " SUM " go put you for. Hot trouble"


Ans: irrelevant, If Adam hadn't disobeyed, God wouldn't have come to die for my sins.

You said

"Which human being perfect or imperfect ?"

Bruv honestly all jokes aside are you saying Jesus was born Imperfect? God never made man imperfect, Sin made man imperfect, God cannot come as an imperfect man but a perfect man hence the miraculous birth of Jesus. I'm being serious here don't for argument sake be stupid to say My Lord Jesus was born imperfect...

You said

" since therefore the children share in flesh and blood , he himself likewise partook of the SAME NATURE " Heb 2:14 RSV


Abeg, which nature did the children have which Jesus shared same , Perfect or Imperfect ?"

The above highlighted begs for answer . Gruni1234 , Captivator , OneJ . taking " Sum. " into consideration

am so enjoying this

Did he answer , let's see

Now we jumb to RSV, , what happened to Phil 2:7 NWT version... by the way John 1:1 RSV says and the Word was God.. So by using RSV do you believe it's true?

Well The perfect humans in the garden of Eden weren't made of gold and silver, gold their body and silver their blood, they were also flesh and blood just like us.

Don't forget " Sum "..... I didn't...

You said

"For the records, human spirit is not a person". ( Luke 23: 46


Well without the Spirit of man there's no person. The Human is Spirit, Soul, Body... without one the other isn't complete.



Good now the problem:

You said

"The problem with defending a. Lie is , you will keep telling another lie to cover the first one. And you well know this is not the first time of you been caught telling lies on this thread to defend yourself.

[i] @ red , if going by your assumption ( which is funny as hawizzy007 pointed out in relation to Trinity, means Trinity never existed from beginning . . ) that a topic for another day"

Well why can't the topic be for today? Hawizzy007 obviously did not understand what i wrote and therefore making a fool out of himself, you on the other hand I thought was more discerning than the others, you have also completely showed that you as dumb as them..... Well I challenge you to prove to me from my statement that what i said meant trinity never existed from the beginning....


You said

"If holyspirit is same with the Father before been manifested to the world , TELL US Which Spirit. God gave Moses ? The Father ?"


Let's see what I said

So the Holy Spirit took over COMPLETELY AS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY WHEN JESUS SENT HIM. SO JESUS COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS THE SAME GOD (BEING ONE WITH THE FATHER)HE WAS REFERRING TO AS KNOWING THE TIME. 


Well I never said he was same as the Father,did I? ....I said he was the Same God, being ONE with the Father..

You said
"The Father calls him My son, and he himself said i am Gods son. Later at revelation he DECLared it again."


You are still making a fool of yourself by denying that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God. Why are you denying scriptures man. Scripture clearly says He's the Begotten Son of God.


You are clearly getting out of your senses bruv, your organization believe that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God and yet you come here because you were exposed, to lie.. my problem is with your organization and their lies not you, so if YOU don't believe that Jesus Is the BEGOTTEN Son of God then that's up to you.

Quoting from your website your organization says:


"The angels of heaven are sons of God even as Adam was a “son of God.” (Ge 6:2; Job 1:6; 38:7; Lu 3:38) But the Loʹgos, later called Jesus, is “the only-begotten Son of God".


Here is the link, go and educate yourself in your false doctrines again and come well..

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003331


To further expose your stupidity you continued:

"Begotten means bring into existence"

Well, term begotten anything you please bruv since it doenst mean create then we are cool.

Your stupidity continues:

Abraham exist Before Isaac , how was he begotten? By sexual inter course with Sarah . the only one from that union.

Clearly the Father exist before the son , so how was Jesus brought into existence"

Yahweh had sexual intercourse with Himself, seems thats what you want me to say .... stupidity... most useless question I have ever been asked....

Isaac was the Begotten of Abraham even though he wasnt the only Son, even though Isaac including the other Sons of Abraham came as a result of sexual intercourse, Isaac is said to be the Begotten of Abraham.. You brought this up and I agreed with you..

So why this stupid question? YAHWEH BROUGHT FORTH THE SON,GENERATED THE SON BUT YAHWEH DID NOT CREATE THE SON.

and i am said to miss the point totally...




You see guys what he is doing? Because of proving a stupid point he clearly denies the teachings of his organization by refusing to aknowledge that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God. Because if he did that it shows Jesus is not an angel hence proving to the whole world that his organization is false and makes mockery out of them and himself. He choose to believe a lie than accept the truth.

He has also failed to comment on when I challenge him to show me where Jesus said He was the Son Of God. He showed that he was basing his argument on an ASSUMPTION..

He is also saying Jesus wasn't a perfect Human being and that Yahweh had sexual intercourse with himself to bring forth the Son.


SHAME ON YOU BARRISTTER07

zodiakzax:
well one is enough and straight to the point...Thomas called Him My Lord and My God... He is God... You challenged me and I proved to You that He was called My Lord. Where did Jesus call the Father My Lord or My master. I only need one scripture to the point...

CAPTIVATOR:
I think he said clearly that the one Sent is Isaiah . Two people are speaking in that verse , Read NWT and see the quotation marks that indicate where Yahweh started speaking at verse 3 and it ends at verse 16 , Isaiah now proceed to say the Lord Yahweh sent him in that same verse . So far, this thread has proved that those called Lord are higher than he who calls them Lord. I agree with him that Yahweh won't cal anyone Lord unless he isn't theost high

Barristter07:
Is he the Lord of the other 11 since they never call him " My Lord " ?

Captivator asks a beautiful question.

Barristter07:
Is he the Lord of the other 11 since they never call him " My Lord " ?

Captivator asks a beautiful question.

Barristter07:
Tagged E1.

The above highlighted begs for answer . Gruni1234 , Captivator , OneJ . taking " Sum. " into consideration

am so enjoying this

Did he answer , let's see



This doesn't answer the. Question. Question tagged E1# for reference.



It said the same nature as THE CHILDREN .

Please answer that and stop somersaulting



You have forgotten , go back and answer that question .

Are the children Nature , which Jesus partook of perfect or imperfect ?



But you said:

"
Now get this The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is [b] the same as Him
" - Zodiazsax

One with Father. same as Him. Guess you were sleeping. When you typed that. Who does Him represent ? #E2






Total nonsense.

How was Jesus begotten ? Tell us

Colossians 1:15 said he is first BORN of all creation.. Hey. How was he born . so so simple .

. Tell me born doesn't mean create and you will receive the shock of your life