CAPTIVATOR:


Barrister has never denied Jesus is only begotten

OneJ:


[\quote] author,zodiakzax
About Abraham and his begotten son Isaac,

I said

Monogenes : begotten

Beget is to procreate or generate 


Isaac was Abrahams begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. He asks how did Abraham beget Isaac,
My answer

through sexual intercourse of course, and I said BUT ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. 

[b]
Ignoring that He asked a rather stupid and irrelevant question, is Isaac created?

To answer that:

Isaac was Abraham's begotten Son and not Yahweh's begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. YAHWEH CREATED ABRAHAM SO YES YAHWEH CREATED ISAAC. Using the same analogy

GOD BROUGHT FORTH THE SON, GENERATED THE SON, BEGET THE SON. GOD DID NOT CREATE THE SON.YAHWEH IS NOT CREATED SO THE SON CANNOT BE CREATED.


zodiakzax your LIES & verbal somersaults are like Siamese twins. Let's see....

A)
https://yourdictionary.com/bring-forth
Bring forth definition
*Past participle: brought forth
2. to give birth
3. to CREATE, generate, bring into existence.

B)
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/ english/generate
Generate, definition
1. to produce or bring into being, CREATE
Synonyms for generate
Produce, CREATE, make

C)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ beget
1 to procreate ,as the Father
to cause to exist.
Synonyms for beget
CREATE, cause, generate,produce
*Begotten- past participle of beget.

Yahweh CREATED (generated, made, beget, produced) Jesus Christ, his "first begotten", first born of creation.
Yahweh caused Jesus to exist via creation.
(Col 1:15. Rev 3:14,. Prov 8:22).
For that reason, in heaven and on the earth, Jesus called Yahweh. "my Father and my God". John 20:17. Rev 3:12, 21.

Zodiakzax & your trinity crew (modern day Pharisees who upgraded Jesus to God), the rug has been pulled off your feet, stop grasping at straws.
U are standing on quicksand.
U either sink or press exit mode to receive sense.
Shalom

Barristter07:


The. One who gave that instruction and subject all things to him is Excluded . 1 Cor 15:47

So you lied.

Jesus is not the Lord of. Heaven and earth ,



And the one sent at Isaiah 48:16 called another Lord. Showing the one sent is not Yahweh.

Good .



Lord of heaven and earth means. Lord of everyone in heaven and earth. Jesus included.

Fine, that further proved the point that someone lesser call the higher " Lord" .

The Father is not included . the one who subject everything to him is EXCLUDED. 1 Cor 15:47 so Jesus isn't the Lord of heaven and earth.

zodiakzax:


Do You know why I love Barristter07? he is smarter than you lots , he carefully and masterfully plans his lies, now you and Captivator are just destroying him, fools

I will answer you shortly, I have visitors..

But I have you on record...

zodiakzax:


I answered , I said one person saying this was enough for me ... if one person calls Him My Lord then I believe the others did as well... So you show me one verse that Jesus calls the Father My Lord then I will throw in the towel...

Barristter07:


That renders your speculation useless. Finally you now admit that not saying it verbally doesn't meant one doesn't accept . just as the other 11 never verbalize but we know they admit. Same with Jesus

OneJ:


Verbal somersaults , twisting and distortion of the holy scriptures litter your posts
What else
U can't prove shishi .....

Your Father na C.E.O, he come make U General Manager (GM), so your Father go dey under your authority because U be GM, issorait.
Keep up your delusion & cherish your mumu lies.

OneJ:
[\quote author =zodiakzax post=73346492]


About Abraham and his begotten son Isaac,

I said

Monogenes : begotten

Beget is to procreate or generate 

Isaac was Abrahams begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. He asks how did Abraham beget Isaac,
My answer

through sexual intercourse of course, and I said BUT ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. 

[b]
Ignoring that He asked a rather stupid and irrelevant question, is Isaac created?

To answer that:

Isaac was Abraham's begotten Son and not Yahweh's begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. YAHWEH CREATED ABRAHAM SO YES YAHWEH CREATED ISAAC. Using the same analogy

GOD BROUGHT FORTH THE SON, GENERATED THE SON, BEGET THE SON. GOD DID NOT CREATE THE SON.YAHWEH IS NOT CREATED SO THE SON CANNOT BE CREATED.


zodiakzax your LIES & verbal somersaults are like Siamese twins. Let's see....

A)
https://yourdictionary.com/bring-forth
Bring forth definition
*Past participle: brought forth
2. to give birth
3. to CREATE, generate, bring into existence.

B)
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/ english/generate
Generate, definition
1. to produce or bring into being, CREATE
Synonyms for generate
Produce, CREATE, make

C)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ beget
1 to procreate ,as the Father
to cause to exist.
Synonyms for beget
CREATE, cause, generate,produce
*Begotten- past participle of beget.

Yahweh CREATED (generated, made, beget, produced) Jesus Christ, his "first begotten", first born of creation.
Yahweh caused Jesus to exist via creation.
(Col 1:15. Rev 3:14,. Prov 8:22).
For that reason, in heaven and on the earth, Jesus called Yahweh. "my Father and my God". John 20:17. Rev 3:12, 21.

Zodiakzax & your trinity crew (modern day Pharisees who upgraded Jesus to God), the rug has been pulled off your feet, stop grasping at straws.
U are standing on quicksand.
U either sink or press exit mode to receive sense.
Shalom

OneJ: "Wikipedia gives exposure to your lies"

OneJ:
[\quote author =zodiakzax post=73346492]


About Abraham and his begotten son Isaac,

I said

Monogenes : begotten

Beget is to procreate or generate 

Isaac was Abrahams begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. He asks how did Abraham beget Isaac,
My answer

through sexual intercourse of course, and I said BUT ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. 

[b]
Ignoring that He asked a rather stupid and irrelevant question, is Isaac created?

To answer that:

Isaac was Abraham's begotten Son and not Yahweh's begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. YAHWEH CREATED ABRAHAM SO YES YAHWEH CREATED ISAAC. Using the same analogy

GOD BROUGHT FORTH THE SON, GENERATED THE SON, BEGET THE SON. GOD DID NOT CREATE THE SON.YAHWEH IS NOT CREATED SO THE SON CANNOT BE CREATED.


zodiakzax your LIES & verbal somersaults are like Siamese twins. Let's see....

A)
https://yourdictionary.com/bring-forth
Bring forth definition
*Past participle: brought forth
2. to give birth
3. to CREATE, generate, bring into existence.

B)
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/ english/generate
Generate, definition
1. to produce or bring into being, CREATE
Synonyms for generate
Produce, CREATE, make

C)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ beget
1 to procreate ,as the Father
to cause to exist.
Synonyms for beget
CREATE, cause, generate,produce
*Begotten- past participle of beget.

Yahweh CREATED (generated, made, beget, produced) Jesus Christ, his "first begotten", first born of creation.
Yahweh caused Jesus to exist via creation.
(Col 1:15. Rev 3:14,. Prov 8:22).
For that reason, in heaven and on the earth, Jesus called Yahweh. "my Father and my God". John 20:17. Rev 3:12, 21.

Zodiakzax & your trinity crew (modern day Pharisees who upgraded Jesus to God), the rug has been pulled off your feet, stop grasping at straws.
U are standing on quicksand.
U either sink or press exit mode to receive sense.
Shalom

zodiakzax:

[s]
o boy, Barristter07 my man, I want you to still remain smart above your peers so I won't disgrace you, but you see you always force me to say you are stupid


Here was what I said

I answered , I said one person saying this was enough for me   ... if one person calls Him My Lord then I believe the others did as well... So you show me one verse that Jesus calls the Father My Lord then I will throw in the towel.


, you didn't read that, I said if one person calls Him My Lord then yes others did as well..... show me Barristter07 where Jesus called The Father My Lord, only one verse and I will give up...

Should I FURTHER EXPLAIN, BY THE WAY YOU DIDNT ASNWER, IS JESUS CHRIST THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD? [/s]

zodiakzax:


Okay gruni123 I will be polite....

Okay, Mr oneJ, let me take it one after the other so.we can have a lively chat...


Let's look closely at the word generate and create

The word "begotten" in the passage comes from a Greek word from which we get our English word "generate". To "generate", in the context of how the word is used here, means to "bring forth" out of pre-existing substance, whereas "to create", properly, means to "bring forth" out of nothing. Just as sunlight is generated (begotten) from the Sun but is not created by the Sun,


So to generate means to bring forth out of pre-existing substance

So without both your parents you OneJ couldn't be generated not created. You need to come out from a pre existing substance. So you were begotten of your parents not God.



We can continue.....

OneJ:
[\quote author =zodiakzax post=73346492]


About Abraham and his begotten son Isaac,

I said

Monogenes : begotten

Beget is to procreate or generate 

Isaac was Abrahams begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. He asks how did Abraham beget Isaac,
My answer

through sexual intercourse of course, and I said BUT ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. 

[b]
Ignoring that He asked a rather stupid and irrelevant question, is Isaac created?

To answer that:

Isaac was Abraham's begotten Son and not Yahweh's begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. YAHWEH CREATED ABRAHAM SO YES YAHWEH CREATED ISAAC. Using the same analogy

GOD BROUGHT FORTH THE SON, GENERATED THE SON, BEGET THE SON. GOD DID NOT CREATE THE SON.YAHWEH IS NOT CREATED SO THE SON CANNOT BE CREATED.


zodiakzax your LIES & verbal somersaults are like Siamese twins. Let's see....

A)
https://yourdictionary.com/bring-forth
Bring forth definition
*Past participle: brought forth
2. to give birth
3. to CREATE, generate, bring into existence.

B)
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/ english/generate
Generate, definition
1. to produce or bring into being, CREATE
Synonyms for generate
Produce, CREATE, make

C)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ beget
1 to procreate ,as the Father
to cause to exist.
Synonyms for beget
CREATE, cause, generate,produce
*Begotten- past participle of beget.

Yahweh CREATED (generated, made, beget, produced) Jesus Christ, his "first begotten", first born of creation.
Yahweh caused Jesus to exist via creation.
(Col 1:15. Rev 3:14,. Prov 8:22).
For that reason, in heaven and on the earth, Jesus called Yahweh. "my Father and my God". John 20:17. Rev 3:12, 21.

Zodiakzax & your trinity crew (modern day Pharisees who upgraded Jesus to God), the rug has been pulled off your feet, stop grasping at straws.
U are standing on quicksand.
U either sink or press exit mode to receive sense.
Shalom

zodiakzax:


you see how you sound so stupid again, I will reply shortly..... and plus is Jesus the begotten Son of God? You havnt answered that.... prove to captivator that you believe that.....

Barristter07:

Brilliant.

CAPTIVATOR:



That reply he gave you is epic .

I know he believed Jesus is begotten , you too explain how Jesus was Born

Barristter07:


Ogbeni , How exactly was Jesus begotten ? How was he " BORN " ?

Barristter07:


The. One who gave that instruction and subject all things to him is Excluded . 1 Cor 15:47

So you lied.

Jesus is not the Lord of. Heaven and earth ,



And the one sent at Isaiah 48:16 called another Lord. Showing the one sent is not Yahweh.

Good .



Lord of heaven and earth means. Lord of everyone in heaven and earth. Jesus included.

Fine, that further proved the point that someone lesser call the higher " Lord" .

The Father is not included . the one who subject everything to him is EXCLUDED. 1 Cor 15:47 so Jesus isn't the Lord of heaven and earth.

Barristter07:


if am to play along with your Counterfeit gimmicks , Psalm 8:9 David calls Yahweh OUR Lord . meaning mine and others , If those ones can call him their Lord , others did as well . comprehend ?

OneJ:
[\quote author =zodiakzax post=73346492]


About Abraham and his begotten son Isaac,

I said

Monogenes : begotten

Beget is to procreate or generate 

Isaac was Abrahams begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. He asks how did Abraham beget Isaac,
My answer

through sexual intercourse of course, and I said BUT ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. 

[b]
Ignoring that He asked a rather stupid and irrelevant question, is Isaac created?

To answer that:

Isaac was Abraham's begotten Son and not Yahweh's begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. YAHWEH CREATED ABRAHAM SO YES YAHWEH CREATED ISAAC. Using the same analogy

GOD BROUGHT FORTH THE SON, GENERATED THE SON, BEGET THE SON. GOD DID NOT CREATE THE SON.YAHWEH IS NOT CREATED SO THE SON CANNOT BE CREATED.


zodiakzax your LIES & verbal somersaults are like Siamese twins. Let's see....

A)
https://yourdictionary.com/bring-forth
Bring forth definition
*Past participle: brought forth
2. to give birth
3. to CREATE, generate, bring into existence.

B)
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/ english/generate
Generate, definition
1. to produce or bring into being, CREATE
Synonyms for generate
Produce, CREATE, make

C)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ beget
1 to procreate ,as the Father
to cause to exist.
Synonyms for beget
CREATE, cause, generate,produce
*Begotten- past participle of beget.

Yahweh CREATED (generated, made, beget, produced) Jesus Christ, his "first begotten", first born of creation.
Yahweh caused Jesus to exist via creation.
(Col 1:15. Rev 3:14,. Prov 8:22).
For that reason, in heaven and on the earth, Jesus called Yahweh. "my Father and my God". John 20:17. Rev 3:12, 21.

Zodiakzax & your trinity crew (modern day Pharisees who upgraded Jesus to God), the rug has been pulled off your feet, stop grasping at straws.
U are standing on quicksand.
U either sink or press exit mode to receive sense.
Shalom

zodiakzax:



You can't speak for him,

So let him BOLDLY SAY that Jesus is begotten, why is he scared?

Your organization isn't scared to say that Jesus is begotten SO WHY can't he, you captivator do you believe Jesus is begotten?

zodiakzax:


Yes bruv exactly , and since David and all the others called Jesus My Lord, Jesus is their Master.. .....Now you are getting it..... one verse to show Jesus called the Father My Lord and there's earthquake every where.

zodiakzax:


No rush bruv, Let OneJ answer then we continue... ,

Barristter07:


if am to play along with your Counterfeit gimmicks , Psalm 8:9 David calls Yahweh OUR Lord . meaning mine and others , If those ones can call him their Lord , others did as well . comprehend ?

zodiakzax:


I will try as much as possible not to insult you for my readers sake..


So here was what happened guys: barristter07 in defending his claim that Jesus called the Father MY LORD:

1. lied that David didn't call Jesus my Lord but Lord, I proved to him that David called Him My Lord... .. He didn't respond to that..

2.said Sarah called Abraham Lord and Peter referred to this so Abrham is Sarah's Lord, I also proved to him with scriptures that Sarah called Abraham My Lord.

Now he asked me to Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga?"

I did and quoted the verse

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 KJV 

Jesus is to be Aknowledge by ALL as the Lord of Heaven and earth and under the Earth including The Father.



What did he do? He went to Corithians, different letter, different sect of people, the apostle was addressing to defend his claim..

Here was what he said


"The. One who gave that instruction and subject all things to him is Excluded . 1 Cor 15:47"


So my question is why didn't the Apsotle Paul who wrote the letters to different people, state that in philipians when He said ALL WERE TO BOW IN HEAVEN AND ALL WERE TO CONFEES THAT JESUS IS LORD, that the Father wasn't included. When talking about authority he to the Corithians said the Father wasn't subject to him. He was clear on that but in addressing the Philipians why didn't he say All except God the Father since he was addressing different people? I made it clear that the Apostle could not have said that because this particular statement which he made was from Yahweh Himself when He said :

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 14:11 KJV

Yahweh is saying every knee shall bow to HIM, PAUL uses this to tell us that Yahweh here is Christ, and every tongue shall confess to God. Now why did Paul not use the Lord in place of God? He could have said:

"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to me"

But instead "to me" to imply the Lord, He said "to God". So why the play of words?

Now when we carefully examine Phil 2:10-11, Paul said the same, He said Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Yahweh (Lord) to the glory of God The Father. So here again we See Yahweh and God as compared to his statement in Romans 14:11.


Now you repeated a question I answered and threw a challenge at You

You said:

"And the one sent at Isaiah 48:16 called another Lord. Showing the one sent is not Yahweh."


From our previous chats:


You said: 


"Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , and the speaker is Yahweh . 

unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection ."


I acknowledged that Yahweh cannot call another Lord because He is the Only True God and Lord and beside Him there's no other God . Do you agree to this?

Now you were basing your claim on what I Said,

So I asked you Who the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 was? Yahweh or Isaiah?

So my challenge to You was

"If you agree with me that the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 is Yahweh then I will gladly answer you."

You never answered but continued to argue on this, I'm trying to be polite





....

zodiakzax:


wait for it.... then we will see who can't prove shishi.... don't know what tern that is but

zodiakzax:


I will try as much as possible not to insult you for my readers sake..


So here was what happened guys: barristter07 in defending his claim that Jesus called the Father MY LORD:


1. lied that David didn't call Jesus my Lord but Lord, I proved to him that David called Him My Lord... .. He didn't respond to that..

2.said Sarah called Abraham Lord and Peter referred to this so Abrham is Sarah's Lord, I also proved to him with scriptures that Sarah called Abraham My Lord.

Now he asked me to Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga?"

I did and quoted the verse

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 KJV 

Jesus is to be Aknowledge by ALL as the Lord of Heaven and earth and under the Earth including The Father.



What did he do? He went to Corithians, different letter, different sect of people, the apostle was addressing to defend his claim..

Here was what he said


"The. One who gave that instruction and subject all things to him is Excluded . 1 Cor 15:47"


So my question is why didn't the Apsotle Paul who wrote the letters to different people, state that in philipians when He said ALL WERE TO BOW IN HEAVEN AND ALL WERE TO CONFEES THAT JESUS IS LORD, that the Father wasn't included. When talking about authority he to the Corithians said the Father wasn't subject to him. He was clear on that but in addressing the Philipians why didn't he say All except God the Father since he was addressing different people? I made it clear that the Apostle could not have said that because this particular statement which he made was from Yahweh Himself when He said :

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 14:11 KJV

Yahweh is saying every knee shall bow to HIM, PAUL uses this to tell us that Yahweh here is Christ, and every tongue shall confess to God. Now why did Paul not use the Lord in place of God? He could have said:

"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to me"

But instead "to me" to imply the Lord, He said "to God". So why the play of words?

Now when we carefully examine Phil 2:10-11, Paul said the same, He said Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Yahweh (Lord) to the glory of God The Father. So here again we See Yahweh and God as compared to his statement in Romans 14:11.


Now you repeated a question I answered and threw a challenge at You

You said:

"And the one sent at Isaiah 48:16 called another Lord. Showing the one sent is not Yahweh."


From our previous chats:


You said: 


"Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , and the speaker is Yahweh . 

unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection ."


I acknowledged that Yahweh cannot call another Lord because He is the Only True God and Lord and beside Him there's no other God . Do you agree to this?

Now you were basing your claim on what I Said,

So I asked you Who the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 was? Yahweh or Isaiah?

So my challenge to You was

"If you agree with me that the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 is Yahweh then I will gladly answer you."

You never answered but continued to argue on this, I'm trying to be polite





....

zodiakzax:


Okay gruni123 I will be polite....

Okay, Mr oneJ, let me take it one after the other so.we can have a lively chat...


Let's look closely at the word generate and create

The word "begotten" in the passage comes from a Greek word from which we get our English word "generate". To "generate", in the context of how the word is used here, means to "bring forth" out of pre-existing substance, whereas "to create", properly, means to "bring forth" out of nothing. Just as sunlight is generated (begotten) from the Sun but is not created by the Sun,


So to generate means to bring forth out of pre-existing substance

So without both your parents you OneJ couldn't be generated not created. You need to come out from a pre existing substance. So you were begotten of your parents not God.



We can continue.....

Barristter07:


Tagged E1.

The above highlighted begs for answer . Gruni1234 , Captivator , OneJ . taking " Sum. " into consideration

am so enjoying this

Did he answer , let's see



This doesn't answer the. Question. Question tagged E1# for reference.



It said the same nature as THE CHILDREN .

Please answer that and stop somersaulting



You have forgotten , go back and answer that question .

Are the children Nature , which Jesus partook of perfect or imperfect ?



But you said:

"
Now get this The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is [b] the same as Him
" - Zodiazsax

One with Father. same as Him. Guess you were sleeping. When you typed that. Who does Him represent ? #E2






Total nonsense.

How was Jesus begotten ? Tell us

Colossians 1:15 said he is first BORN of all creation.. Hey. How was he born . so so simple .

. Tell me born doesn't mean create and you will receive the shock of your life

CAPTIVATOR:


Bruh, be humble . He can't be Lord over his own God . Father is not included. So you lied when you said Jesus is also Lord of heaven and earth.

brocab:
If you knew God you would know zodiakzax is not lying, but sadly you don't God-this is why you find it hard to understand the Word of God!

CAPTIVATOR:


Bruh, be humble . He can't be Lord over his own God . Father is not included. So you lied when you said Jesus is also Lord of heaven and earth.