Barristter07:


See this person, Begotten means brought into existence .. So yes I believe Jesus was brought into existence by his Father.

brocab:
Now answer why 'was He brought into the world?

OneJ:


Born, definition
*Past participle of bear.
1a. brought into life by birth.
1b. brought into existence, CREATED. >a new nation was BORN with the revolution.

Gruni ,zodiakzax, brocab, Johnw47,, who is the father and mother of the " new nation born with the revolution?"

The word "born" has dual meaning, that is, birth or created.
INDISPUTABLE FACT.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/born

"Before the mountains were born,
or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God"
Psalms 90:2.

These questions dey hang for una head:

1) How did Yahweh born the mountains?

2) How did Yahweh brought forth the earth and the world?

3)How did Yahweh brought forth Jesus Christ, his son?

These questions have ONLY one answer:
Yahweh CREATED
1)the mountains.
(2) earth and the world.
(3) Jesus Christ his son.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/make_1
Make , definition
1.create/ produce
2. cause to be formed

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/make

1. to cause to exist or happen, CREATE
2.to bring into existence
Verb , make
3.make=create
synonyms> beget , bring forth, generate.

Jesus did not exist until Yahweh brought him into existence ( created, made, generated, brought forth) his begotten son.
The bitter truth is crystal clear.
Remain with your mumu or press exit mode, the choice is yours.
Shalom

CAPTIVATOR:

That psalm 90:2 did a total finishing Lolzzz

Handshake for you unlike some who switched off their brain when confronted with Facts

Hairyrapunzel:


You think Barrister07 that believes that the only means of getting salvation is by joining the new York based publishing company called watchtower organization and unquestionably obeying the imperfect, uninspired and fallible old men who head this company will give you the answer?
I don't think so.

OneJ:


Born, definition
*Past participle of bear.
1a. brought into life by birth.
1b. brought into existence, CREATED. >a new nation was BORN with the revolution.

Gruni ,zodiakzax, brocab, Johnw47,, who is the father and mother of the " new nation born with the revolution?"

The word "born" has dual meaning, that is, birth or created.
INDISPUTABLE FACT.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/born

"Before the mountains were born,
or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God"
Psalms 90:2.

These questions dey hang for una head:

1) How did Yahweh born the mountains?

2) How did Yahweh brought forth the earth and the world?

3)How did Yahweh brought forth Jesus Christ, his son?

These questions have ONLY one answer:
Yahweh CREATED
1)the mountains.
(2) earth and the world.
(3) Jesus Christ his son.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/make_1
Make , definition
1.create/ produce
2. cause to be formed

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/make

1. to cause to exist or happen, CREATE
2.to bring into existence
Verb , make
3.make=create
synonyms> beget , bring forth, generate.

Jesus did not exist until Yahweh brought him into existence ( created, made, generated, brought forth) his begotten son.
The bitter truth is crystal clear.
Remain with your mumu or press exit mode, the choice is yours.
Shalom

Barristter07:


Okay



The children are human too

Explain what that Hebrews mean !!!

Real chicken , don't be scared to explain

Cc: Gruni1234 , u can help him



Wait sef , who deny it means human

Aren't the children human too ?

Yeeparipa , Chicken Explain that Hebrews for us.

Which Nature did he share with the children ?



A fake Christian dismiss Scripture as irrelevant. Scripture Cannot be broken, it wont contradict ...Why not explain since you know the context ?



Is Hebrews lying he shared the nature of the children??


This won't save you

Jesus never denied been an offspring of David, he just want them to know he is bigger , higher and exists before David .

Sense

Mr Context , then explain Hebrews 2:14 in context .. Which Nature did Jesus share with Children ?




says a coward , abeg address the above.



Spirit of man is Not man . if it is, that means Jesus went to heaven the day he died since his spirit return to the Father. Luke 23:46

Genesis 2:7 Jehovah went on to form the man out of dust.

He was called MAN even without Spirit in him , when he was just dust



Hahahahahaha at highlighted, so who then ... For you to claim it isn't God the Father , you must have gotten evidence of who ... Tell us ?

Am seriously enjoying this



If you have sense , you would know am only saying why it can't be Trinity, in short .. Who did Paul refer to as " God " ?

Are you clueless on that?



If the spirit of God is same Him
Who is the Him ? God .? Which God cos there areany Gods ?

Identify



His Firstborn says some versions

Now you switch, then the logical question is: The Firstborn of who ?

Who is his Father ?

No single sense dey your head



Okay, Mountains are not among Gods creations ?

I need an answer



We are dealing with what it means when God born .

So answer that question about mountains

Hairyrapunzel:


You think Barrister07 that believes that the only means of getting salvation is by joining the new York based publishing company called watchtower organization and unquestionably obeying the imperfect, uninspired and fallible old men who head this company will give you the answer?
I don't think so.

Hairyrapunzel:


You know they like assuming and after assuming they will make their assumptions their beliefs.

He wants you to tell him how Jesus was begotten because he thinks you have become God. He expects you to give him answers on things bible was silent about.

Barristter07:


Sum and substance. If that's correct, Neither you or zodiakzax should have problem explaining that Hebrews.

As it is you guys are floating.

Which Nature did he Share with the Children of Adam ? Taking into consideration " Sum" Imperfect like the children ?

U just started



Jesus exist before David , that's his point to his opposer's . that doesn't nullify he came through David line.

Nothing is Contradictory, I will deal with that baseless analogy when i reply him.

Am not against his quoting other verses , so far they relate to the point of discussion.

Na fear dey make him shake when he saw other verses



It's irrelevant , Show me the underlined boldly from that Hebrews ? You keep bringing up a matter not relevant to what we are discussing , I didn't discuss this and am not until am through with the present ones . Orderliness





The issue is " when God born "!!!

How did God born the mountains , Care to explain what that means ?

Gruni1234:



Good day to all of you.

Barristter07, let me tell you something about myself and let that be on the record.

1. I am not a child
2. I am not an illiterate
3.Going to school and getting my masters, and working on PHD isn't a child's play nor is it for illogical people.

Now, Hebrews was clear and I have read that myself about God calling NO angel the Begotten Son of God. Your good book says
Jesus is made better than the Angels, the writer now continues to tell us more, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time " thou art my Son, today have i begotten thee? This was a rhetorical question, he said which of the angels? Who amongst them did he begotten? And again which of them said he at any time, I will be to him a Father and He shall be to me a Son?Another rhetorical question that answered itself. He continued to say when he brought in the firstborn into the world, he saith, And let ALL the angels of God worship him.if He says let ALL the angels worship him, isn't He talking about all? He continues to distinguish between the Son and Angels. So Sir, as a logical thinker and an educated one I know when A is A and when B is B. I can understand for myself what I read. Here it clearly says Jesus was not an Angel. If you still hold on to the belief that Jesus is an Angel when your very book says otherwise then that's your problem Sir. Maybe you don't want to acknowledge their mistake, and that's what corruption is, when you clearly sees A and everyone knows it's A then you say it's B. It's a shame really. So that was why it took you time to say He was the Begotten Son. And after you were drawn out, you continue to shame yourself Sir. It's rather a big Shame to your intelligence as a free moral agent as such a free moral thinker. Honesty is a great virtue.

If I should come to God today, I will do that by my own free will, also i will follow God by my own free will, when someone challenge my core belief and gives me evidence to support that claim, I will for the sake of me loving God, research vividly to see if what I am presented with makes sense in light of scripture. We dont debate for debating sake. And I am pleased I'm able to uncover a great deception amongst the Watch Tower Organization. Don't think your debate with zodiakzax is for fun, I'm actually learning alot and not only me, I have friends here following it. You will be surprised what they say about your lack of logical and critical thinking. You think I'm a JW hater no, to the contrary, I like you guys, always visiting me and spending some time with me. Only problem is you reject knowledge even though you know nothing about what the person is saying.

So they came to my house, we had a nice chat, they asked me to visit them, I told them I don't believe in God etc, they directed me to the website to read and know more about who God is etc. And later said they will bring me a tract that can prove God exists, I said fine, then I said, well can I also give you a material to prove to You that God doesn't exist? Read it and let me know what you also think, at least to be fair, so when we talk later we both know a little about each other's belief. Well they rejected it, says they don't read those kind of books, well then I also told them I'm sorry but I'm also not interested in your books and website. Told them if they are ready to read my books, I will also be ready to read theirs.

I have other Christian friends who will read my books and even use that to challenge me. It's been fun and as I also read their books, I go and challenge them but they always have an answer, weird, I will tell myself, these guys always answer me. It's been going on for sometime now, now I feel drawn to know about Christianity, Jesus, trinity etc in my search, I came across this website and many more. I've learnt alot for myself. I've called the Jw fellows to come over, following zodiakzax and others statements, I want to see if they can also plainly deny what's the obvious. It Will be a disappoint though.

Gruni1234:



Good day to all of you.


Now, Hebrews was clear and I have read that myself about God calling NO angel the Begotten Son of God. Your good book says
Jesus is made better than the Angels, the writer now continues to tell us more, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time " thou art my Son, today have i begotten thee? This was a rhetorical question, he said which of the angels? Who amongst them did he begotten? And again which of them said he at any time, I will be to him a Father and He shall be to me a Son?Another rhetorical question that answered itself. He continued to say when he brought in the firstborn into the world, he saith, And let ALL the angels of God worship him.if He says let ALL the angels worship him, isn't He talking about all? He continues to distinguish between the Son and Angels. So Sir, as a logical thinker and an educated one I know when A is A and when B is B. I can understand for myself what I read. Here it clearly says Jesus was not an Angel. If you still hold on to the belief that Jesus is an Angel when your very book says otherwise then that's your problem Sir. Maybe you don't want to acknowledge their mistake, and that's what corruption is, when you clearly sees A and everyone knows it's A then you say it's B. It's a shame really. So that was why it took you time to say He was the Begotten Son.

OneJ:


@ Gruni1234, zodiakzax et al:

begotten is past participle of beget.
I don't need to bore U with the meaning of beget. Jesus & Adam are the sons of Yahweh, begotten via creation. Yahweh has no wife.
Isaac was Abraham's " only begotten son" (Heb11:15-17), does it mean or imply that other sons and daughters were not begotten by Abraham?
The point is first & foremost, Isaac was begotten by Abraham other wise it is impossible to be his Father's only begotten son. Like U said, we move from point A to point B.

Heb11:18 says Isaac was anointed as Abraham's seed, therefore, his only begotten son, which is a reference to his favoured status among Abraham's sons.

In the same vein, Jesus is first & foremost, Yahweh's begotten son , from heaven Yahweh "brings his first born into the world", Heb1:5-7 ,Paul referenced the fact that Yahweh never spoke those words to any angel.
Paul affirmed that the statement was specifically made to only Jesus Christ, the anointed king by Yahweh to sit down on the throne that Jesus called "my Father's throne" in heaven.
Rev 3:12,21.

Hairyrapunzel:


Just like David and Ephraim are Yahweh's firstborns.

zodiakzax:

[s]
See how he has made a fool.out of himself again.. ... i will address this in the morning.. [/s]

zodiakzax:
Where are they? Where is Mr Doctionary Man? Scared goats.... are you giving up already? ONEJ BARRISTTER07, CAPTIVATOR ANS THE REST..

Stupid useless Jehovah witnesses, stupid cult...repent l...

OneJ:


Verbal somersaults , twisting and distortion of the holy scriptures litter your posts
What else
U can't prove shishi .....

Your Father na C.E.O, he come make U General Manager (GM), so your Father go dey under your authority because U be GM, issorait.
Keep up your delusion & cherish your mumu lies.

OneJ:

Both were created by Yahweh who brought forth Jesus Christ his son into existence.

OneJ:

Both were created by Yahweh who brought forth Jesus Christ his son into existence.

zodiakzax:



He said Yahweh made, created Jesus ..this shows how stupid and ignorant you are, you think quoting dictionary will bail you out...fools..... when it says ALL things were created through Jesus and For Him. , So God created Jesus through Him? ...I've never met anyone as stupid as you folk.. You keep your brains in your anus...

well let's see the meaning of the words into details:

Make:

to produce something, often using a particular substance or material:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make


cre‧ate:

to make something exist that did not exist before

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/create


My friend don't for argument sake look and sound stupid.. anybody in his logical mind will not say born is create, or that make is born

GOD MADE HUMAN BEING.. and let us make man in our image.... so what substance did God use to make man? Dust of the ground.. how did he make the woman, out of Adams ribs... why didn't God call man to being? Why didn't God create man out of nothing like he did the light? He said let there be light and there was light...


Create Is to make something exist that did not exist before, meaning to make out of nothing. God created the earth and the heavens, God created Light and from that substance he made a greater one and a lesser one.

Born is to come into existence by birth...

OneJ:

SERIAL LIAR.
The word "BORN" has dual meaning.
Born also means "bring into existence, create> a new nation was born with the revolution"

zodiackzax, how was " the new nation born with the revolution?

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/born

How did Yahweh born the mountains? How did Yahweh bring forth the earth and the world in Psalms 90:2?
" If. an idea is BORN, it starts to exist"
But zodiakzax go dey search for the woman wey conceive for belle.... .
Mumu for life.....

U be CORRECT WAYO MAN.

Gruni1234:



Good day to all of you.

Barristter07, let me tell you something about myself and let that be on the record.

1. I am not a child
2. I am not an illiterate
3.Going to school and getting my masters, and working on PHD isn't a child's play nor is it for illogical people.

Now, Hebrews was clear and I have read that myself about God calling NO angel the Begotten Son of God. Your good book says
Jesus is made better than the Angels, the writer now continues to tell us more, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time " thou art my Son, today have i begotten thee? This was a rhetorical question, he said which of the angels? Who amongst them did he begotten? And again which of them said he at any time, I will be to him a Father and He shall be to me a Son?Another rhetorical question that answered itself. He continued to say when he brought in the firstborn into the world, he saith, And let ALL the angels of God worship him.if He says let ALL the angels worship him, isn't He talking about all? He continues to distinguish between the Son and Angels. So Sir, as a logical thinker and an educated one I know when A is A and when B is B. I can understand for myself what I read. Here it clearly says Jesus was not an Angel. If you still hold on to the belief that Jesus is an Angel when your very book says otherwise then that's your problem Sir. Maybe you don't want to acknowledge their mistake, and that's what corruption is, when you clearly sees A and everyone knows it's A then you say it's B. It's a shame really. So that was why it took you time to say He was the Begotten Son. And after you were drawn out, you continue to shame yourself Sir. It's rather a big Shame to your intelligence as a free moral agent as such a free moral thinker. Honesty is a great virtue.

OneJ:


@ Gruni1234, zodiakzax et al:

begotten is past participle of beget.
I don't need to bore U with the meaning of beget. Jesus & Adam are the sons of Yahweh, begotten via creation. Yahweh has no wife.
Isaac was Abraham's " only begotten son" (Heb11:15-17), does it mean or imply that other sons and daughters were not begotten by Abraham?
The point is first & foremost, Isaac was begotten by Abraham other wise it is impossible to be his Father's only begotten son. Like U said, we move from point A to point B.

Heb11:18 says Isaac was anointed as Abraham's seed, therefore, his only begotten son, which is a reference to his favoured status among Abraham's sons.

In the same vein, Jesus is first & foremost, Yahweh's begotten son , from heaven Yahweh "brings his first born into the world", Heb1:5-7 ,Paul referenced the fact that Yahweh never spoke those words to any angel.
Paul affirmed that the statement was specifically made to only Jesus Christ, the anointed king by Yahweh to sit down on the throne that Jesus called "my Father's throne" in heaven.
Rev 3:12,21.
Angels are sons of God, Yahweh's begotten sons (Job 1:6. 2:1). Jesus called himself the son of God ,a fact revealed by Yahweh (Matt 3:16,17. Matt 16:13-17).
Jesus consistently confessed he was sent by Yahweh his Father ( John 3:16. 5:36. 7:16 12:48-50), just like angels were messengers for Yahweh (Heb1:14. 1 kings22:19-22)
Is Jesus Christ (a spirit being in heaven before he to the earth)), an angel in heaven before his earthly sojourn? Yes.
He is definitely among the sons of God slated for that meeting in Job 1:6. 2:1 , that Satan came to gatecrash.

Barristter07:


Angel means Messenger.

Is Jesus an Angel ( Messenger ) ? Yes

Malachi 3:1

Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant , whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.


So I don't really know what's the fuss.

Regarding Hebrews 1:5 verse 4 already gave the needed answer :

" So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs "

Why is he now better ? Inherited a name more better than theirs, but he wasn't better until he inherited that name

So verse 5 is talking about the Jesus that is now promoted. Not just among Angels BUT an Arch- angel.

zodiakzax:



idiots....

So now he's an angel because he's a messenger? ... My friend you see how you make yourself look stupid? So he's no more an Angelic Being, Michael? ..... good now you Are denying your stupid organization, you see how you sound so dumb?



You are a big "fart" liar My friend, Guys do you see this? He said verse 5 is talking about a promoted Jesus ,

JESUS was begotten before creation, he was the" Begotten God" John 1:18..he didn't become begotten when He came to Earth... ..even your stupid organization teaches this..


So an Arch-angel is a horse or a donkey or monkey? You should have said Arch Donkey is not just an angel, My friend the point is Arch-Angels are Angels please stop making a fool out of yourself.....

Gruni1234:



Good day to all of you.

Barristter07, let me tell you something about myself and let that be on the record.

1. I am not a child
2. I am not an illiterate
3.Going to school and getting my masters, and working on PHD isn't a child's play nor is it for illogical people.

Now, Hebrews was clear and I have read that myself about God calling NO angel the Begotten Son of God. Your good book says
Jesus is made better than the Angels, the writer now continues to tell us more, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time " thou art my Son, today have i begotten thee? This was a rhetorical question, he said which of the angels? Who amongst them did he begotten? And again which of them said he at any time, I will be to him a Father and He shall be to me a Son?Another rhetorical question that answered itself. He continued to say when he brought in the firstborn into the world, he saith, And let ALL the angels of God worship him.if He says let ALL the angels worship him, isn't He talking about all? He continues to distinguish between the Son and Angels. So Sir, as a logical thinker and an educated one I know when A is A and when B is B. I can understand for myself what I read. Here it clearly says Jesus was not an Angel. If you still hold on to the belief that Jesus is an Angel when your very book says otherwise then that's your problem Sir. Maybe you don't want to acknowledge their mistake, and that's what corruption is, when you clearly sees A and everyone knows it's A then you say it's B. It's a shame really. So that was why it took you time to say He was the Begotten Son. And after you were drawn out, you continue to shame yourself Sir. It's rather a big Shame to your intelligence as a free moral agent as such a free moral thinker. Honesty is a great virtue.

If I should come to God today, I will do that by my own free will, also i will follow God by my own free will, when someone challenge my core belief and gives me evidence to support that claim, I will for the sake of me loving God, research vividly to see if what I am presented with makes sense in light of scripture. We dont debate for debating sake. And I am pleased I'm able to uncover a great deception amongst the Watch Tower Organization. Don't think your debate with zodiakzax is for fun, I'm actually learning alot and not only me, I have friends here following it. You will be surprised what they say about your lack of logical and critical thinking. You think I'm a JW hater no, to the contrary, I like you guys, always visiting me and spending some time with me. Only problem is you reject knowledge even though you know nothing about what the person is saying.

So they came to my house, we had a nice chat, they asked me to visit them, I told them I don't believe in God etc, they directed me to the website to read and know more about who God is etc. And later said they will bring me a tract that can prove God exists, I said fine, then I said, well can I also give you a material to prove to You that God doesn't exist? Read it and let me know what you also think, at least to be fair, so when we talk later we both know a little about each other's belief. Well they rejected it, says they don't read those kind of books, well then I also told them I'm sorry but I'm also not interested in your books and website. Told them if they are ready to read my books, I will also be ready to read theirs.

I have other Christian friends who will read my books and even use that to challenge me. It's been fun and as I also read their books, I go and challenge them but they always have an answer, weird, I will tell myself, these guys always answer me. It's been going on for sometime now, now I feel drawn to know about Christianity, Jesus, trinity etc in my search, I came across this website and many more. I've learnt alot for myself. I've called the Jw fellows to come over, following zodiakzax and others statements, I want to see if they can also plainly deny what's the obvious. It Will be a disappoint though.

Barristter07:


Stark ignorance.

Angel means what ?

Besides, reply to the other post

zodiakzax:

[s]
.... you.want to sound more stupid? Continue...i leave you to gruni123

Your post? I will My friend, you know I will, and so don't worry [/s] ..

OneJ:

SERIAL LIAR.
The word "BORN" has dual meaning.
Born also means "bring into existence, create> a new nation was born with the revolution"

zodiackzax, how was " the new nation born with the revolution?

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/born

How did Yahweh born the mountains? How did Yahweh bring forth the earth and the world in Psalms 90:2?
" If. an idea is BORN, it starts to exist"
But zodiakzax go dey search for the woman wey conceive am for belle.... .
Mumu for life.....

U be CORRECT WAYO MAN.

zodiakzax:



He said Yahweh made, created Jesus ..this shows how stupid and ignorant you are, you think quoting dictionary will bail you out...fools..... when it says ALL things were created through Jesus and For Him. , So God created Jesus through Him? ...I've never met anyone as stupid as you folk.. You keep your brains in your anus...

well let's see the meaning of the words into details:

Make:

to produce something, often using a particular substance or material:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make


cre‧ate:

to make something exist that did not exist before

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/create


My friend don't for argument sake look and sound stupid.. anybody in his logical mind will not say born is create, or that make is born

GOD MADE HUMAN BEING.. and let us make man in our image.... so what substance did God use to make man? Dust of the ground.. how did he make the woman, out of Adams ribs... why didn't God call man to being? Why didn't God create man out of nothing like he did the light? He said let there be light and there was light...


Create Is to make something exist that did not exist before, meaning to make out of nothing. God created the earth and the heavens, God created Light and from that substance he made a greater one and a lesser one.

Born is to come into existence by birth...

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:11 KJV

Did God create the grass out of nothing, no, he made the grass out of substance earth, so the earth gave birth to the grass. The sea after being created brought forth the aquatic animals.. did God make the aquatic animals out of nothing? No, he made them out of a substance water.. it was the water that brought them forth.

You still continue with this stupidity and everyone will see how unlearned you are.


With your psalm 90, kindly follow thread with Barristter07.. he was already ahead of you in reagrds to that stupidity...


I asked you,.which obviously you failed to answer, scared little "girl"

Did your mother create you or born you? Stop the stupidity and lack of common knowledge...



This is for you Mr dictionary


Jehovah's Witnesses
a millenarian, actively proselytizing Christian sect founded by Charles T. Russell (1852-1916)
http://www.yourdictionary.com/jehovah-s-witnesses

Do you believe the founder was Charles Russell? ... Dictionaries don't lie...

Barristter07:


U lack defenses I guess .

Do you have problem with the Bible calling Jesus ANGEL of the covenant ?

Keep fighting the Bible