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Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Uglymugg: 10:01am On Dec 02, 2018
jmaine:


You have always been paid incompetent clown....

https://punchng.com/dont-criminal-case-atiku-us/


Chai. UsA wants Atiku badly ohh. grin grin to the extent of even baiting him with fake news grin

I wish I could spread this news everywhere and convince even Atiku himself to go to America grin grin
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Nobody: 10:02am On Dec 02, 2018
princeonx:

What nonsense did you just type above? Where the 4k.k did you get that from. Visa approval is different from been cleared of any charges oga! People get arrested daily upon arrival into the US for all type of crime and offences so get your facts right before sharing it. Visa approval is also not a guarantee that you will be admitted into USA. The admitting officer has every right if need be to void your Visa and refuse/deny you entry into the US.
Were you following the atiku visa issue at all? He applied for a visa and he was refused under 221g after which he was issued a visa ok? Fyi, American government doesn't need to lure him with a visa before arresting him, should he have a fraudulent or criminal case to answer. Fbi would do all that, with the help of the Interpol ok? Many yahop boys in Nigeria have been arrested hwre and bundled into usa thrpugh the afotrmentioned means ? I'd have accepted your submission of you had said visa issuance doesn't guarantee admissibility at the poe...
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Nobody: 10:04am On Dec 02, 2018
jmaine:


You have always been paid incompetent clown....

https://punchng.com/dont-criminal-case-atiku-us/

why not leave the gullible fangs alone?

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Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by ibinaboonline: 10:05am On Dec 02, 2018
Shameless people fabricating shameful lies. Is this how brainless these yey e people take Nigerians? So, Atuku must travel to UK first before inquiring from the US if it's safe for him to visit? So he can apply for their visa from here in Nigeria but ask their assurance from here? Yeye dey smell
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Nobody: 10:07am On Dec 02, 2018
Chaleso:
Brother, getting any visa does not guarantee entering such country
so, visa means wat? Nobody is talking admissibility here. A student could be granted visa into USA bit if he/she fails to convince the CBP, such a student could be deported ok? Atiku was refused visa when he first applied under 221g. And if truly you've been following the case, you'd know it's nothing to worry about. I don't like it when some people just behave as if they're uninformed
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Nobody: 10:11am On Dec 02, 2018
EgunMogaji:


Wrong.

Visa means authority granted to present at a point of entry.

The Immigration Official at POE grants entry into the country and for how long.

He can also temporarily arrest a fugitive while the FBI is enroute to take full custody.
Wrong you said hun? Didbyoubever follow atiku visa case? Or you simply pretended not to...* He was refused under 221g the first time and later, he was issued visa after his case successfully undergone administrative processing. Now, you would have made a point if youvjad said visa isn't a guarantee for admissibility if he's unable to convince them at poe.
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by misano(m): 10:12am On Dec 02, 2018
lexy2014:

Is travelling 2d US a requirement 4 being president of Nigeria?

No but shows how untrusted he can be, indirectly destroying D confidence of investors. Countries loyal to the US will not want to go into international trade with Nigeria because D man at the top can't be trusted. PDP have failed. A month to election, PDP will realize their mistake. APC will drag Atiku's name to D mud. They will use their propaganda machinery to influence media report, making D issue an international disgrace.

The only thing Atiku can do now is to enter US, till then, he is in trouble.

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Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by MrJanuzaj: 10:23am On Dec 02, 2018
Awoo88:
APC just dey waste time with atiku this and that. Atiku travel or him no travel na their problem. When the man eventually travels there, they will come up with how he bribe Trump.

Let hom travel first
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Nobody: 10:25am On Dec 02, 2018
Solatium:



Have you ever heard of tricked into an ambush? make him risk am now,you go think say FBI be like Nigeria Police, Someone who is indicted and his indictment was gazetted into a Public documents and still remain so and you are here thinking like a typical NIGERIAN

Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by lexy2014: 10:26am On Dec 02, 2018
misano:


No but shows how untrusted he can be, indirectly destroying D confidence of investors. Countries loyal to the US will not want to go into international trade with Nigeria because D man at the top can't be trusted. PDP have failed. A month to election, PDP will realize their mistake. APC will drag Atiku's name to D mud. They will use their propaganda machinery to influence media report, making D issue an international disgrace.

The only thing Atiku can do now is to enter US, till then, he is in trouble.

Based on what u have said, how much foreign investment has Nigeria received since 2015 compared 2 previous administrations. In what way can Atiku not b trusted 2d point were according 2u "Countries loyal to the US will not want to go into international trade with Nigeria?" Which countries are loyal 2d US? Can u give examples of countries were this has happened b4 based on Atikus "crimes"? Also, y is d same US u are talking about still backing d crown prince of Saudi Arabia despite his obvious involvement in d killing of khassoghi?

Pls, what exactly is it that Atiku did that makes u feel he can't b trusted?
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Nobody: 10:27am On Dec 02, 2018
Uglymugg:


Lmfao, imagine that. grin grin Even if you're a sucide bomber, once your visa has been approved, you are cleared of all wrong doing and there is zero chance of being arrested upon entry.

So why he turn back? Surely you are not moreintelligent than Atiku? You should send this comment to his tweet, assuring him that he wont be arrested. Send to him.

Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by epistleNow(m): 10:28am On Dec 02, 2018
awelekiti:
Hmmm. Mr judge . I hear you

Mr Jury, it's all good
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Nobody: 10:29am On Dec 02, 2018
epistleNow:


Mr Jury, it's all good

Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by epistleNow(m): 10:35am On Dec 02, 2018
[quote author=awelekiti post=73483561][/quote]

Wetin concern me with Atiku?

He should go there, see for himself and that ofcourse, is his personal problem.

But since he is a presidential candidate, all manner of questions will be asked of him, and that, is Nigerians problem, whether he is fit to be our president.
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by livelymatilda22: 10:42am On Dec 02, 2018
awelekiti:
The liars are at it again. Once USA approves your visa, it means you've been cleared of any charges( if you were once indicted of one). Visa means, access or clearance . Atiku doesmt need any further clearance once the visa has been issued to him. Only some gullible minds would believe this fake news. The man is on his way to the uk now, if he's not there already. No amount of apc lies would stop me from voting this man next year. Right-thinking Nigerians know we need him.

Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by sirkonline(m): 10:51am On Dec 02, 2018
awelekiti:
The liars are at it again. Once USA approves your visa, it means you've been cleared of any charges( if you were once indicted of one). Visa means, access or clearance . Atiku doesmt need any further clearance once the visa has been issued to him. Only some gullible minds would believe this fake news. The man is on his way to the uk now, if he's not there already. No amount of apc lies would stop me from voting this man next year. Right-thinking Nigerians know we need him.

Have you travelled before? Just because you get a visa does not mean you can easily enter a country, they can send you back or arrest you for any reason at the point of entry, sometime with no reason at all, i cross to U.S all the time and i see people got turned back with no explanation all the time.

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Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by ibietela2(m): 10:54am On Dec 02, 2018
rafindo:
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I pity your reasoning, the questions here is about integrity and since integrity is alien In this zoo called Nigeria. It behold on someone like atiku who is the grand commanders of theifs to visit the US, which has standard for integrity. Stop wailing bro

So Buhari has integrity?
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by misano(m): 10:57am On Dec 02, 2018
lexy2014:


Based on what u have said, how much foreign investment has Nigeria received since 2015 compared 2 previous administrations. In what way can Atiku not b trusted 2d point were according 2u "Countries loyal to the US will not want to go into international trade with Nigeria?" Which countries are loyal 2d US? Can u give examples of countries were this has happened b4 based on Atikus "crimes"? Also, y is d same US u are talking about still backing d crown prince of Saudi Arabia despite his obvious involvement in d killing of khassoghi?

Pls, what exactly is it that Atiku did that makes u feel he can't b trusted?


Thanks for D reply, I really want 2 kick out APC & Buhari. But with Atiku, it's difficult.

1) US will hardly sell weapons to Nigeria to fight Boko if Atiku wins, we noticed that in GEJ's era.

2) We have very few foreign investors in Nigeria, with Atiku it will be worse. Businessmen will think they will have to pay kickbacks to top politicians before their businesses in Nigeria can work.

3) International trade with USA, Israel, France, UK, Australia & Canada will be affected greatly.

4) APC are set to release more propaganda reports with lots of lies that will affect Atiku's campaign.

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Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Nobody: 11:01am On Dec 02, 2018
kotv:
So an unknown source and APC handle are who we should believe what happened about Atiku's US trip. I don't know if APC and their BMC believe everyone in Nigeria is an illiterate like most people in their party.

Every normal Nigerians go to US. Why can’t atiku go. I’m confused here.
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by ibietela2(m): 11:10am On Dec 02, 2018
Xda59:


Because Nigeria practice a very unique type of justice system where justice is purchased like a commodity in the marketplace. A country where a rich man can never go to prison even if he commits a capital offence. Ibori was set free of all charges in Nigeria but did time in the UK for same crime. It is only In Nigeria, the police guard the same criminals they are supposed to arrest and put in prison for years.

So what is your Buhari doing about that?
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by lexy2014: 11:13am On Dec 02, 2018
misano:



Thanks 4 ur response but it didn't adequately address some of d issues I raised


Thanks for D reply, I really want 2 kick out APC & Buhari. But with Atiku, it's difficult.

1) US will hardly sell weapons to Nigeria to fight Boko if Atiku wins, we noticed that in GEJ's era.


When abacha was head of state, Nigeria survived with very minimal diplomatic relations with d US. Yes, Nigeria is at war but I don't believe d US is d sole source of weapons 4d Nigerian military. I believe we do more of Russia than US.

2) We have very few foreign investors in Nigeria, with Atiku it will be worse. Businessmen will think they will have to pay kickbacks to top politicians before their businesses in Nigeria can work.

Are u aware that d Benjamin netanyahu is presently under investigation in Israel on corruption & kickback charges in Israel? Has that affected foreign investors from going 2 Israel? Even their dismal human rights record against d Palestinians didn't stop Jordan from entering into a gas deal with Israel. Are u trying 2 Mobil, chevron, shell and co will leave Nigeria cos of Atiku? Were in d world do u c MNCs avoiding were they will make money cos d president of that country has a criminal case somewhere?

3) International trade with USA, Israel, France, UK, Australia & Canada will be affected greatly.

I asked u earlier y has d US, Britain, France not stopped selling weapons 2 Saudi Arabia despite its terrible human rights record&4d killing of Jamal khashoggi? Is d US not protecting d crown prince?

4) APC are set to release more propaganda reports with lots of lies that will affect Atiku's campaign.

APCs propaganda will only come back to hurt them
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Nobody: 11:15am On Dec 02, 2018
sirkonline:


Have you travelled before? Just because you get a visa does not mean you can easily enter a country, they can send you back or arrest you for any reason at the point of entry, sometime with no reason at all, i cross to U.S all the time and i see people got turned back with no explanation all the time.
Yes sir. Ive been traveling to same country since 2005. Many, probably including you, do not seem to decipher my standpoint here. Visa means entry clearance, though not a guaranty of admissibility at poe if you're unable to convince the CBP of your mission ok? If you had a criminal case in the usa, you're either extradited by the way of involving the Interpol with the aid of fbi( federal bureau of investigation) from nigwroa to usa tonanswer your case or you're denied a visa ( entry permit or clearance) right from any of t the USA duty posts(I.e, Lagos or abuja, etc). I came here to debunk the rumour of atiku making a u-turn from his USA trip. He was refused visa at first under 221g . Many had fallen under this category before, including my humble self ,many students alike have been put under 221g. Later after i was as able to provide thw info the visa officer needed, my visa was approved, despite my countless times of visit to the USA. Atiku had no criminal case to answer in USA. Those who are afraid of him know why. Elrufai would be the first to collapse should atiku win alongside those perpetrating fraud under the NNPC. See the screenshot below.

Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Konki: 11:17am On Dec 02, 2018
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Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by linearity: 11:23am On Dec 02, 2018
MetaPhysical:


You are correct, except one....even US Presidents can go to jail if tried and found in violation of law.
Here is how it works...A sitting President of US cannot be indicted by Courts but he/she can be impeached by Congress. The President have the liberty of course to grant himself a self pardon from the impeachment.

Here is how he can be arrested, just like you said....but only after he becomes ex-President

1 - Federal prosecutors (usually FBI, which is the law enforcement under DOJ) can bring charges against him/her in a Grand Jury and get indictment.

2 - the state that has jurisdiction in which the crime was committed can issue arrest warrant (if they want to humiliate him/her) and or be civil and simply bring a charge against the ex-President and have him docked for trial.

My reference is to Presidents, ex-Presidents are like every other citizen and can be arrested, indicated and jailed.

I doubt if an impeached President have the power to pardon himself....

Firstly that theory has never been tested in the US court.

Secondly the vast majority of legal scholars out there believe it is unconstitutional, because it make the President above the law and the Supreme Court has ruled that, the President is not above the law.

Thirdly, Presidential impeachment and trial are conducted in congress and this branch of government is separate and co-equal to the Executive and the constitutional threshold vote to convict a President at trial in the Senate makes Presidential veto moot.

Fourthly impeachment in the House of a President is not a conviction of that crime, it is a form of grand jury. Since he has not been convicted of any crime at this point, until tried and convicted in the Senate, there is no crime to pardon himself of.

Fifthly, Presidential impeachment and trial in congress are constitutional political mechanisms and not criminal ie. You can’t lock up a President simply because he or she was impeached in the House, then tried and convicted in the Senate; so technically at this point; such a President does not have a criminal record of which he or she can pardon him/herself from. The only immediate consequence of a successful trial and conviction of a President is the removal from office and the President simply have zero Executive control or power over this, only if he/she have some political cloth, will there be salvation.

Once impeached, then convicted, he/she is now an ordinary citizen like everyone else; except that they can have reduced secret service strictly for protection....if congress then refer the crime to DOJ, DOJ will then decide if they want to trial the ex-President criminally or not...if they decide to trial him and he is convicted, only then will they have a criminal record, which can be pardoned by the next President. The next President can also pardon the ex-President after DOJ criminal indictments, but before criminal trial commence.

However, if the indictment is at the State level; the next President can’t pardon the ex-President...it is up the Governor of that State to either pardon or allow the law to follow through.
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by misano(m): 11:26am On Dec 02, 2018
lexy2014:


OK. So what law did he break and were did he break d law? In what way has he been dishonest? How is he corrupt? What are d criminal activities he has engaged in?


Let me break it down:

Atiku was to invite foreign investors to Nigeria to do business. But asked them to water his pocket if they wanted to do business in Nigeria. The investors did through a US congressman named William Jefferson who was caught & arrested. William Jefferson spent 5 years in prison because of this crime. Instead of Atiku to clear his name when he was invited, he simply ignored it. For 13 years Atiku avoided USA. Now he wants to be a president, APC brought the issue up again. If he goes now, he might be arrested.
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by misano(m): 11:32am On Dec 02, 2018
lexy2014:







I get ur point, but many Nigerians will not understand. All they will tell U is Atiku will sell Nigeria to criminals.
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by lexy2014: 11:32am On Dec 02, 2018
misano:



Let me break it down:

Atiku was to invite foreign investors to Nigeria to do business. But asked them to water his pocket if they wanted to do business in Nigeria. The investors did through a US congressman named William Jefferson who was caught & arrested. William Jefferson spent 5 years in prison because of this crime. Instead of Atiku to clear his name when he was invited, he simply ignored it. For 13 years Atiku avoided USA. Now he wants to be a president, APC brought the issue up again. If he goes now, he might be arrested.

That good. All these things u said he did, which country did he do them from?
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by rafindo(m): 11:35am On Dec 02, 2018
John20017:



If only your father used a condom?
We won't be dealing with your foolishness.
Get this into your empty skull, I don't engage kids, go play with your mates.
.
Your bigotry is classical and to you I support buhari. Well I have no time shallow mindset like you.
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by misano(m): 11:39am On Dec 02, 2018
lexy2014:


That good. All these things u said he did, which country did he do them from?

This Atiku story will continue to make headlines all through till February. Atiku is in trouble. PDP has made a big mistake. All my hope of kicking out Buhari has been shattered. Just hope he clears his name before election sha.
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by jesmond3945: 11:41am On Dec 02, 2018
Laido:



God bless you bro! I'm always thinking that too. Mine is not about PDP or APC. Mine is who is gonna help this Nation Moe's forward! It won't be only USA that will stop dealing with us, other countries might stop too. The case isn't a local case. My preferred candidate is Donald Duke, but unfortunately, I don't think he's going to win!


My other question is why is SS & SE abandoning Donald for Atiku??
well they are being myopic, they are not looking at the big picture. As things stands now buhari is better than Atiku, if Atiku cannot go to US and clear his name then he is not fit to lead us. This is akin to yahoo boys who are deported for one crime and probably banned from entering US, how can such a person that is tainted be the president. Pdp should do something or else I am not going to support the party.

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Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Schro4real: 11:58am On Dec 02, 2018
His counterpart in the United State, Williams Jefferson has already served jail term and made to refund part of the money traced to him for money laundering, but Atiku has since been walking free even though he has been unable to set foot in the us" I THINK THIS IS THE EXCERPT THAT SHOULD CALL FOR A SOBER REFLECTION AND CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUMENT
Re: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by Beetobee(f): 12:11pm On Dec 02, 2018
Guilty as charged! If there are no skeletons in his closet, he should fly there ASAP. After all, the truth would set one free.

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