How would the Paul story expect people to take marraige advice from somebody who is not married and know nothing as per the sweetness of been inside a woman..?

Reading the story to me i suspect the guy doesn't have a pr1ck or functioning one and got no experience to teach or advice anybody on marriage matter.!!

Peace..!!

jesusjnr:
YOU ARE RIGHT!

Its good, you've all of a sudden dont want to anymore, share your ignorance(s) about Paul, with others, to poison them with your twisted, pathetic and half baked understanding of Paul's letters.

Nobody is contesting with you about who is right or who isn't right.

I dont care, you manage to be cool or manage not be cool
The matter on ground is, is it right that you've decided to pin on Paul the misogyny label?

I asked you:
What statement exactly are you asking me to take back concerning Peter?

But instead of you, to repeat, word for word, what you're accusing me off, you wouldn't, you couldn't
so you go for the easy option out, to run away, like a yellow bellied, lilly livered person does, when found out, found wanting and/or caught standing on shaky grounds

Op, to water down the teachings of Apostle Paul by what you termed mistakes is a very grave error. You are attempting to derail the minds of believers who yearn for knowledge from seeking to know more as revealed through the teachings of Apostle Paul.

First, Apostle Paul was the only Apostle that was given deep insight about the church and the work God did for us in Christ. He unveils vividly who we are in Christ and what we have by virtue of our union with him.

It is only through the teachings of Apostle Paul that we understand the difference between the law and grace. He opens our eyes to know that the Church is not under the Law of Moses.

In addition, Apostle Paul revealed to us the future plans God has for the nation of Israel.

It is through the writings of Paul that we understand how the rapture will take place.

Apostle Paul also revealed to us that the Holy Spirit is the seal of our redemption.

The wealth of information contained in Pauline's epistles are too much to be swept under the carpet because of trivial issues you call errors.

Let's look at the issue of women not permitted to speak in church.

First, he did not generalized it. He said 'your women'
Second, he was not addressing all woman in a sense. He was addressing married women. He was trying to teach them how to submit or show respect to their husbands.

This was why he added, "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their HUSBANDS at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (1st Corinthians 14:35).

If Apostle Paul was a woman hater, he would not recognize the ministry of Priscilla and Acquila. These were couples who laboured hard with him and he acknowledged the role of even the wife. She was always mentioned before the husband in ministry.

I don't have much time to go into other mistakes you mentioned. They are not mistakes. All of Apostle Paul’s teachings are in line with what Jesus taught. He acknowledged Jesus as the chief corner stone and him as the builder.

Classical teachings on faith is credited to Apostle Paul’s work. I really don't know what message you have if you don't understand Apostle Paul’s teachings.

The teachings of Jesus only laid the foundation and you cannot remain at the foundation level.

TruthinAction:
The teachings of Jesus only laid the foundation and you cannot remain at the foundation level

Says a lot what you think of Jesus, his teachings and who's really your lord. Imagine, the teachings of the master and founder of the church only laid the foundation, no wonder the church had only regressed from the one that only had what you called "the foundation" of the teachings of Jesus for that's the only foundation that it needed to be the perfect and model church to subsequent generations inclusive of that of this very day. For no church ever built on Paul's teachings has come close to that one needless say matching it. So you can see why Jesus told his disciples, "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever i had commanded you..." (Mt 28:20) for that's the only foundation the church needed to be able to maintain that perfect standard but y'all thought you knew better so you can be proud of the kind of church you've produced

We are all equally qualified in Christ Jesus because we received thesame Baptism of the Holy Spirit in accordance with St John Gospel 17.
Our Instruction is to love ourselves as He, Christ loves us and seek the Counsels of one another.

solite3:


1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,


what Paul taught is 100% from God if any man refuse it is because they have itchy ears running after fables and men's doctrines and philosophy.


2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

GBAM

jesusjnr:
Says a lot what you think of Jesus, his teachings and who's really your lord. Imagine, the teachings of the master and founder of the church only laid the foundation, no wonder the church had only regressed from the one that only had what you called "the foundation" of the teachings of Jesus for that's the only foundation that it needed to be the perfect and model church to subsequent generations inclusive of that of this very day. For no church ever built on Paul's teachings has come close to that one needless say matching it. So you can see why Jesus told his disciples, "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever i had commanded you..." (Mt 28:20) for that's the only foundation the church needed to be able to maintain that perfect standard but y'all thought you knew better so you can be proud of the kind of church you've produced

John 16:12-13
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

If Jesus taught everything we needed to hear, he wouldn't make the above comment. So, the rest of the truths were revealed to the Apostles.

Ephesians 2:20. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.

Jesus laid the foundation or the corner stone while the Apostles built on it.

I hope you understand now. I did not say the teachings of Jesus is unimportant but that it lays the foundation. There are more things you need to know that are revealed to the Apostles especially in Paul's epistles.

MISTAKE NO.2 THE CORRECTION Pt 1.

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I had already begun addressing the errors in that saying of Paul with respect to a woman and marriage in previous posts, however I haven't even touched the worst part yet, which is the impression it gave that a woman's husband was her Master, Lord, and even her God, for that misconception was what got the woman to this position in the first place.

I mean to say that the woman has suffered no be small and is yet suffering till date from the consequence of that wrong impression. For it's because of this that even before her birth into this world, she's already facing rejection because she's not a male child, and being treated as trash, a second class citizen, a non-entity and so on, in the world she lives in just because of her gender.

And then you go to child bearing and the pain involved, and also the violence and abuses she faces from her male counterparts, more or less as a result of sexual lust, and not to talk of those anti-women traditional and cultural practices, such as those of a part of the country, that subjects her to hell, and the most inhuman treatment in the event that she loses her husband to the jaws of death, as if implying that she ought to have died with her husband, such the complete shaving of her hair, and having to drink the bath water of her late husband's dead body, and been thrown out of her husband's house, that's if he had any, into the street with her husband's kids, and also stripped of any such property of her late husband yet In her possession, etc.. And even possible death. and all this regardless if she's innocent and had no hand in his death, which is often the case.

Then there is the other painful and embarrassing experiences arising from certain complex changes and processes her body goes through, and so on and so forth, that is to put it in a nut shell, the woman don see weee.

And all this just for taking her husband to be more than what he really was, that is, as her Master, Lord, and even God, and not just as her marriage partner. For it was that orientation that made her to place him above God in the beginning, even though it wasn't man but God that created her and gave her to man to be his wife, as she was trying to please and impress him by giving him something which he had never had or tasted before, perhaps something he's desired to taste for a while, you know as the saying goes, "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach".

And so in the process of trying to achieve that she went against the commandment of the One who had formed her, as His Word became secondary to her as a result, and do you what she got for all her efforts from the man who she had done all these for? It's "it's the woman you gave me", for it was rejection and abandonment that man rewarded her with for all that she did for him in that respect.

And so in an instant the woman turned from being the "bone of my bones" and "flesh of my flesh" to "the woman you gave me" in man's sight, as if to remind the woman who really ought to be her Master, Lord and God, and that he was just her husband and marriage partner.

And so man gave the woman a foretaste of what was to come, as that only signified the beginning of his hostility towards her, for up till date man has not yet forgiven her for what she had done to him in the beginning, and for leading him to disobey the commandment of God who was also his Creator, and his consequent fall which he yet blames on the woman up till this very day.

So much for taking man beyond what he truly was, even just a marriage partner and nothing more, and that is added to the punishment meted out to her by her Creator because of her role in man's disobedience, which was an act of rebellion against God who had made her, for his pronouncement over her that "your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you" was a curse and not how it used to be before then and what ought to be when God formed her.

For her desire was meant to be towards her Creator, and not man, for it wasn't man who created her but God. Therefore God was supposed to be her Master, Lord, and her God, and her loyalty was meant to be towards Him and his Word.

But by the action she had taken in that respect, she had decided to place man her husband above God and make him take God's place in her life, hence God let her have what she will, perhaps for her to find out for herself who would be the the better Master, Lord, and God to her, between man her husband and God her Creator.

Therefore it wasn't so in the beginning when God first made her, but only a curse placed upon her and one of the consequences of her sins that Jesus was sent to the Earth, by God her maker, to reverse especially by his death.

MISTAKE NO.2 THE CORRECTION Pt 2.

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So you can now see the reason for Jesus' strong rebuke of Martha in this instance:

"Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house. And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her." Luke 10:38-42.

For Martha just was as the woman in the beginning, was very eager to please man and gain access to his heart via his stomach, you know as that saying goes, and that even at the expense of Her Creator and His word, but Jesus knowing where that landed the woman in the first place, and all that she has had to go through as a result, and also because he was the one that was going to have to pay the price of the consequence of such action of hers in the beginning that was a result of such an erroneous orientation, gave her a serious tongue lashing for placing men over her Creator and His Word, even the good part which Mary her sister had chosen, for that was the only thing that could guarantee that she never makes such a mistake again.

However I'm absolutely certain that of all the eye witnesses of that incident, inclusive of Jesus disciples, and even all those who have read about it, that there would have hardly been anyone, who would have seen anything that Martha did that would have warranted such a response from Jesus.

And even Martha herself would have been completely shocked by his response, that she would be wondering, "what manner of man is this"? For what she was doing was something that would have pleased any other man, so she would have expected same from Jesus and not by any chance seen such a rebuke coming.

But that was any other man but not Jesus himself, the perfect Bridegroom who really wanted the best for her and to help her not repeat the same she had made in the beginning. And as I've said severally before on this platform, who has the ability to see what virtually no other man was able to see in that respect.

And most importantly he was the bridegroom who was to pay the price for her and not her bride price, but the price of her sins to redeem her of its consequence, even something that no other man could ever do for her. Now that was the very man that had said this to her and not just any other.

Therefore Jesus being the man that was going to do that for her, let her know that a woman's desire ought to be towards her Creator, and the obedience of his word, and he's supposed to rule over her as her Master, Lord, and her God, and not man who was just meant to be her marriage partner.

For that was a curse that God placed on the woman in the beginning, because she had chosen to take that part. But since Jesus was going to reverse that curse by his death, he expects her to be able to to make a better decision than the woman in beginning, since she's now had either of the Creator and man as her Master, Lord, and her God, so she should be able to tell who the better Master, Lord, and God is.

For man instantly rejected and abandoned her when she needed him the most, and left what was left of her with her creator who gave him to her in the first place. And it was now her Creator who she had despised and rebelled against because of man, that had been making all efforts to bring her back to the state she was when he first formed her, and gave her to man, that culminated in his sacrificing of his only begotten son on her behalf to redeem her of the consequences of her misdeeds as such in the beginning.

Therefore the position of Jesus concerning the woman was that her Master, Lord, and God ought to be her creator, and not man her husband, and the church which he founded to represent his ways, teachings, and his achievements as such brought about via his death, ought to reflect the position of Jesus concerning the woman, and also her redemption from her sins and its consequence, that his death accorded her.

But if position of the church concerning the woman is still on the basis of such pronouncements God had made upon her as a result of her sin in the beginning, despite that Jesus his only begotten son had already redeemed her of it by virtue of his sacrifice, then it means that the church at least to that extent does not represent Jesus on the earth, and hence are in that respect not any different from the world, where such an unprecedented feat which Jesus achieved for the woman via his death is not being recognized.

But that ought not be so for the world is the world, and therefore not under any obligation to recognize and observe such achievements of Jesus, but the church ought to be different from the world, as it's under obligation to Jesus and hence ought representing the position of Jesus in every respect on the earth, and thereby serve as an example for the world to follow, for that's the purpose he founded it in the first place.

Therefore it's my belief that the church or any true follower of Jesus ought to have the same orientation with him concerning the woman, and that's the reason that despite that I'm not a woman, that i'm able to emphatize with her regarding her sufferings and travails, for my Master has taught me that I don't have to be a woman to be able to so.

That's why I'm passionately against any such anti-women sayings that has found its way into the church, whether it be via the teachings of apostle Paul or any other sources, and as long as it goes contrary to the position of Jesus concerning the woman, such as this particular saying of Paul.

And i can also understand how most are not able to see the error in it, for that's the same way it was with Jesus who I call my Master, for he was able to detect such things which pretty much everyone else was not able to spot. So it should be obvious where i got such an ability from.

Therefore the correction of the wrong impression given by that very saying of apostle Paul that a woman's husband is her Master, Lord, and even her God, is that "the Master, Lord, and God of the woman is supposed to be her Creator, and not her husband!"

TruthinAction:



John 16:12-13
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

If Jesus taught everything we needed to hear, he wouldn't make the above comment. So, the rest of the truths were revealed to the Apostles.

Ephesians 2:20. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.

Jesus laid the foundation or the corner stone while the Apostles built on it.

I hope you understand now. I did not say the teachings of Jesus is unimportant but that it lays the foundation. There are more things you need to know that are revealed to the Apostles especially in Paul's epistles.

Mr Truthinaction, I have a strong feeling that what I said earlier caught you off guard and got you thinking quite a bit, but I hope understand that i just had to tell you the Truth because it's only the Truth that can set you free.

And you know who the Truth is right, Mr Truthinaction? Don't tell me Apostle Paul even though you seem so endeared to him, because it's certainly not Paul but Jesus!

Yes Jesus is the Truth so I'm not going to spare you at all by letting you sit on the fence, but I gonna put you in a position where you would have to choose today between Jesus and Paul, who your master is for Jesus himself the Truth said:

"No man cannot have two masters, for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other..." Mt 6:24

So in a straight shoot out who wins it for you, let me help you out with a clue, it's the one whose words you take more seriously!

Now you quoted a saying of Jesus, now that's welcomed, but it's not just to quote that is the thing but the interpretation is very important, otherwise you'll miss the entire point. And someone else had done that before to defend Paul teachings as absolutely inspired of the Spirit of God, but guess what I asked the person, I asked him if Paul was now the Spirit of Truth that Jesus talked about, for Paul wasn't even among the Disciples that Jesus said this to, even those that he used to found that perfect church that I earlier talked about, for Paul falls into the category of those of us who didn't believe in Jesus while he was yet on earth, for it was only after his departure even after the church was already in full swing, that Paul became a follower of Jesus.

So the only difference between us and Paul is that he met with the disciples of Jesus, who believed in Jesus while Jesus was on Earth. For after the departure of Jesus from the Earth it would surprise you the amount of persons that have had an encounter with Jesus, whom Jesus has appeared to face to face and sent to preach his gospel, so Paul's just one of many of such persons.

And the Spirit of Truth is not the exclusive right of Paul or any of the other disciples of Jesus, but also here with us on the Earth as we speak, and he's the one that's been responsible for some of the deepest knowledge I have about the kingdom of God.

And as Bro orisa37 rightly said, we are equally qualified as those before us such as Paul, if we do the same thing they did, because we also have the same Holy Spirit which they had which is the Spirit of Truth available to us.

But what's non contestable are the Teachings and Words of the Truth himself even the master Jesus, that he said that anyone that calls him Lord, Lord, but doesn't keep his Word, is like... and vice versa as you must have seen in my other topic, for the church or any individual doesn't need any other saying as those of Paul to be rock solid as Jesus was himself, for his life was an embodiment of the Words which he spake, so by keeping it, you are able to be like him, and become invincible as he was to the gates of hell, which is the peaks of Satan's powers and all that he is able to muster.

So Mr Truthinaction you can't afford to keep bearing a name that doesn't really reflect what you represent, for I believe that by hearing me speak in a sense, you would easily see Jesusjnr reflect in my words, because Jesus is my master and his words are the greatest treasure on Earth to me for nothing else comes close. Hence it's so easy for me to bear that name as it's pretty much what I represent.

And speaking of the mistakes that Paul made in his teachings, means that i didn't consider it to be intentional, for if i did, i would not call it a mistake. But I still call Paul an apostle of Jesus, because I believe he was a true apostle of my master Jesus.

And believe me that a huge compliment because I think most of today's church leaders are imposters and not true, and would rather have Apostle Paul here if not for anything else, for his zeal. So I really appreciate Apostle Paul for the sacrifices he made to help my Master's cause, and I would be eternally indebted to him and all the others who had sacrificed their everything to get the Gospel of Jesus to those of later generations as us.

So although you may not be able to understand it, I'm only doing this for love and not for hate. God bless.

Coming up next is mistake No. 3, so watch out for it!

Wow! What can i say but sorry for the long delay concerning Mistake No. 3. Didn't expect it to tarry for this long, about two full weeks, but no worries because though it tarries, it shall surely come to pass!

MISTAKE NO.2

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Paul said:

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering." 1 Corinthians 11:15

Correction to Mistake No. 3 coming up shortly

MISTAKE NO 3. THE CORRECTION 1.

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Some of the faulty aspects of this saying of Paul such as the impression that a woman's Head, Master, Lord, God etc., was her husband, and also that concerning sexism had already been addressed with respect to the corrections of previous mistakes, therefore anyone who wishes to have such should kindly refer to previous posts that contains such corrections.

For this effort is not a consequence of malice, but one hinged upon the best of intentions, hence I don't want to overflog such issues, but move on to the other aspects of that saying that also warrants correcting.

Therefore I'm going to begin with Apostle Paul's saying concerning the uncovering or covering of hair when praying or prophesy, and ask if any one has ever come across any other instance of such an instruction in the Bible?

I believe no one, because there's none in the whole of the old testament, none in the whole of the Gospels, and none even in the entire epistles or books of all the other apostles.

So for those who believe that all of Paul's teaching's were inspired of Holy Spirit, are they saying that of all those who have walked with God in the past, that it was only Paul that God had entrusted with such a knowledge?

For even Jesus who was the only begotten Son of God Himself, and hence born of the Spirit in His first birth, never hinted anything as such in His sayings, needless say give any specific instruction in that respect, concerning prayer or prophecy. For this was His teaching on prayer:

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Mt 6:5-15(KJV)

And other teachings of Jesus concerning prayer were more about the importance of prayer, as He urged men to pray always and not to faint, such as when He said:

"Watch and pray, that you enter not into temptation: the spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak." Mt 26:40(KJV)

Therefore this was basically the moral of all His other Teachings concerning prayer, so tell me where in heaven did Paul get such a saying concerning prayer from?

But yet you see a lot of church folks taking that very saying seriously, and consequently covering and not covering their hair when praying, as if it had any iota of implication on someone's prayer or prophecy, just because they believe that all the instructions in Bible were inspired of God.

And that's why this effort to correct such is highly warranted, for had it been that such sayings were viewed as the sayings of a man who could also make mistakes, despite being a true apostle of Jesus, then this effort would surely not have been as required as it is. For the error would not have even made it through its first hurdle of the Laws of Moses, not to talk of the Words of Jesus which ought to be the standard of the church.

But unfortunately that's not the case hence the need for someone to go through the pains of exposing that mistake in this respect and say that, that particular saying of Paul had absolutely nothing to do with the Spirit of God, but fully a product of Paul's flesh!

So that it would not be that because one person made a mistake, that everyone now in the church one must now be susceptible the same mistake, because they believe that every one of such sayings was inspired of God.

jesusjnr:
MISTAKE NO 3. THE CORRECTION 1.

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Some of the faulty aspects of this saying of Paul such as the impression that a woman's Head, Master, Lord, God etc., was her husband, and also that concerning sexism had already been addressed with respect to the corrections of previous mistakes, therefore anyone who wishes to have such should kindly refer to previous posts that contains such corrections.

For this effort is not a consequence of malice, but one hinged upon the best of intentions, hence I don't want to overflog such issues, but move on to the other aspects of that saying that also warrants correcting.

Therefore I'm going to begin with Apostle Paul's saying concerning the uncovering or covering of hair when praying or prophesy, and ask if any one has ever come across any other instance of such an instruction in the Bible?

I believe no one, because there's none in the whole of the old testament, none in the whole of the Gospels, and none even in the entire epistles or books of all the other apostles.

So for those who believe that all of Paul's teaching's were inspired of Holy Spirit, are they saying that of all those who have walked with God in the past, that it was only Paul that God had entrusted with such a knowledge?

For even Jesus who was the only begotten Son of God Himself, and hence born of the Spirit in His first birth, never hinted anything as such in His sayings, needless say give any specific instruction in that respect, concerning prayer or prophecy. For this was His teaching on prayer:

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Mt 6:5-15(KJV)

And other teachings of Jesus concerning prayer were more about the importance of prayer, as He urged men to pray always and not to faint, such as when He said:

"Watch and pray, that you enter not into temptation: the spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak." Mt 26:40(KJV)

Therefore this was basically the moral of all His other Teachings concerning prayer, so tell me where in heaven did Paul get such a saying concerning prayer from?

But yet you see a lot of church folks taking that very saying seriously, and consequently covering and not covering their hair when praying, as if it had any iota of implication on someone's prayer or prophecy, just because they believe that all the instructions in Bible were inspired of God.

And that's why this effort to correct such is highly warranted, for had it been that such sayings were viewed as the sayings of a man who could also make mistakes, despite being a true apostle of Jesus, then this effort would surely not have been as required as it is. For the error would not have even made it through its first hurdle of the Laws of Moses, not to talk of the Words of Jesus which ought to be the standard of the church.

But unfortunately that's not the case hence the need for someone to go through the pains of exposing that mistake in this respect and say that, that particular saying of Paul had absolutely nothing to do with the Spirit of God, but fully a product of Paul's flesh!

So that it would not be that because one person made a mistake, that everyone now in the church one must now be susceptible the same mistake, because they believe that every one of such sayings was inspired of God.

My friend, you cannot cherry-pick on what to believe and what not to believe in the Bible, this is not acceptable. All the Scriptures is inspired by God. The Bible says Jesus comes in the volume of the book, and therein in the whole volume of the book is expressed the will of God.

There are no errors in Paul's teaching.

MrPresident1:


My friend, you cannot cherry-pick on what to believe and what not to believe in the Bible, this is not acceptable. All the Scriptures is inspired by God. The Bible says Jesus comes in the volume of the book, and therein in the whole volume of the book is expressed the will of God.

There are no errors in Paul's teaching.

Unacceptable to you but very acceptable to me ay my level of faith.

If you feel obligated to keep all the teachings in the Bible, inclusive of that of Apostle Paul, very good for you. I'm not under any such obligation but only to the teachings of Jesus who is Master and any which matches up to the Standard of His Word.

Mind you just for the sake of it, the context of that saying of Paul concerning all scriptures doesn't include the teachings of Paul, that's if you do not already know that, for it was the Law and the Prophets(aka known as the Old Testament) he meant by "all Scriptures", not saying that I agree with it though.

Don't worry about what I can do or not do, for I'm pretty damn sure if you had been there at the time of Jesus, you would have also been among those who opposed His stance concerning certain sayings and laws in the Law and the Prophets, because of same reasons you gave here. But you ought to also know that there were yet those who knew better than that at the time.

MISTAKE NO 3. THE CORRECTION 2.

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The other aspect of the saying which has to do with how long or short someone's hair is supposed to be is with respect to his or her glory, shame, and then the angels, is even worse and a more glaring error.

For besides the fact that there is no other similar saying of another to bear witness of it in the whole of the Bible, how can how long or short someone's hair even their outward appearance now have anything to do with the things of the Spirit and of someone's worship of God who doesn't look on someone appearance but at the heart?

For God had said to His servant Samuel:

"...Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, the LORD looketh on the heart." 1Sam 16:7.

And the person that God said this to, was not just any random person but a true prophet of His and a rare one at that. But despite that he judged people based on their outward appearance, and this was even while he was on a spiritual assignment and not a personal one.

Therefore it was a spiritual assignment that God had given to him, that he yet wanted to use his such a personal judgment to execute, however gratefully for the people of Israel and even beyond, God was there to correct Samuel's mistake by Himself, and there and then prevented any possible damages that could have arisen from such a mistake of a true man of God.

Therefore even a true man of God can judge such things on the basis of the flesh, which could lead to him making mistakes as this one which Paul made on that occasion concerning long hair or short hair things etc.

For he tried to use the outward appearance which man looks at, even as Samuel had done on that occasion, as a basis to carry out a divine assignment which is to teach the church of Jesus.

And the only difference was that the resulting mistake of Apostle Paul was not nipped in the bud as that of Prophet Samuel was, and hence the damaging effect that error has had overtime on most of those of the church who view that mistake of Apostle Paul as the Word of God.

Therefore you have a lot of women especially misconceiving that the length of their hair has something to do with the crowning glory of a woman, that some of them, when they have short hair would desperately for this very reason go to get attachments to add to their hair to make it longer all in the name of crowning glory.

A woman crowning glory has absolutely nothing to do with the length of her hair, for the length of her hair has no iota of value in the sight of God her maker. But a woman's crowning glory can be deduced from this saying of Jesus to Martha:

"...Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her." Lk 10:4(KJV)

Therefore it's that good part which Mary had chosen, which shall never be taken from her, even her obedience of her Master's Words, that is a woman's true crowning glory and not just some dead cells that could be taken away from her in an instant with a scissors.

And on the part of the men concerning short hair, if indeed God preferred a man's hair to be short, then why does he let it grow?

Or are we now going to start allowing nature that Paul used as a basis to justify this instruction, to start dictating the actions and observations of those of the church of Jesus, even the nature of sin?

Of course the nature that Paul gave as a yardstick to measure this saying already justifies my view that this saying of Apostle Paul was not inspired of the Spirit of God, but of the flesh.

By the way if there was any occasion where God had given instructions concerning the length of a man's hair, it has been instead been in the otherwise sense, that's for a man not to cut his hair but to let it grow long.

For that was the Law God Himself gave to Moses concerning the Nazarite, as it was said:

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD: He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried. All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk. All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy,and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow." Numb 6:1-6

And this was the same with respect to the instructions that His angel gave concerning Samson to his parents even before his birth as it was said:

"For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines." Judges 13:5(KJV)

So it has only been in the respect of a man leaving his hair to grow, that God has emphasized something concerning the hair of a man(with the only exception being the shaving of hair for one's cleansing). Therefore it had nothing to do with the outward appearance but it only served as a representation of the Word of God before the coming of Jesus the Word of God in the form of man.

Therefore it was meant to give the Holy Spirit something He would work with, in the respect of the person(Numb 6:7). Which of course became unnecessary with the coming of Jesus the Word of God in the flesh as He became the anointing that brought the Spirit of God upon the church.

Therefore with respect to His church even that Law that God Himself with His own mouth spake concerning the Nazarite where no razor is allowed on the person's hair is no longer applicable, needless that which He never said which was solely on the basis of the outward appearance.

I'm going end the correction of this very mistake of apostle Paul on the note of what Jesus the Master and Lord of the church said in this respect, which happens to be very similar to what God had said to Samuel his prophet to correct a similar mistake:

"Judge not according to the outward appearance, but judge righteous judgment" Jn 7:4(KJV)

That was the correction of Apostle Paul's Mistake No 3. Mistake No 4 coming up soon

MISTAKE No. 4

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"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ."[/i]1 Cor 11:1(KJV)

[i]"I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me." 1 Cor 4:14-16

Mistake 4. correction coming soon.

That mistake number 4 is the thunder that will fire you.

No Christian should give any regard to this fellow anymore, he is a wolf in sheep clothing.

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Anathema.

jesusjnr:
Mistake 4. correction coming soon.

MrPresident1:
That mistake number 4 is the thunder that will fire you.

No Christian should give any regard to this fellow anymore, he is a wolf in sheep clothing.

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Anathema.

Thank you very much! I'm so happy for that response.

Just be patient, he will soon be here.

Anathema

jesusjnr:
Thank you very much! I'm so happy for that response.

MrPresident1:
Just be patient, he will soon be here.

Anathema

What i love the most out of your response is "the thunder that will fire you", for out of the abundance of a man's heart he speaks, but at times he can try to keep it inside, and it would only take the truth as such to bring it out.

No matter how much you push me "thunder will never fire you" because such is not in my heart!

MISTAKE NO. 4 THE CORRECTION

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Mistake No.4 of Apostle Paul's teachings is one that absolutely does justice to my earlier submission that his mistakes in this respect would have been significantly minimized had he also had the benefit of sitting at the feet of Jesus and learnt from Him as first set of disciples had done.

For this particular error had been specifically addressed by Jesus while He was here on Earth.

For Jesus had said to His disciples:

"...The scribes and the Pharisees...love...greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ." Matthew 23:2-10(KJV)

Therefore it was already a trait associated with the Pharisees, for them to be observed as rabbis/masters of men, but Jesus on this particular occasion instructed His disciples against following such example of the Pharisees, and be called rabbis/master themselves, because as He said they had only one Rabbi/Master, which was Himself, for they all were brothers.

And also that they called no one Father, for one was their Father upon the earth, even God their creator who was in Heaven.

But here was Paul blatantly doing exactly the opposite of that instruction of Jesus and urging men to be his own followers, even as the Pharisees who loved to be called rabbis/masters used to do.

And furthermore he was even observed tussling for the title of "father" which Jesus said was the exclusive preserve of God who was in heaven.

And so considering the way his sayings as such are being viewed as the Word of God, and devoid of any mistakes by most people in the church, it is the reason why despite being just a brother and disciple of Jesus that he truly was, even in accordance with the commandment that Jesus gave to His disciples, he's being observed as rabbi/master to such church folks that today the number of his followers in the church, is observed to have surpass that of Jesus who is the Master of the church.

And also considering the extent of influence that Paul's teachings has on the church, it's not farfetched to see the present day church leaders tussling and fighting hard for that same title of father as Paul was doing on that occasion, despite that Jesus clearly instructed His disciples to call no one with that name because it exclusively belonged to God.

And so you'd have "Fathers in the Lord", "Spiritual Fathers", "Reverend Fathers". And there is even the "Holy Father" that Jesus Himself called God on this particular occasion in a prayer to Him:

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. John 17:11

Therefore it not just the title of Father now that has been taken over by the church leaders, but they have taken it up a notch by now adding Holy to it, to even make the first error even worse.

Therefore the leaders of the church have now been seen not to have taken the place of God in the lives of church members, because the respect that ought to be ascribed to Him, their God and Creator is now being given to men who Jesus said were just their brothers.

And with respect to apostle Paul's point about him begetting them in Christ via the gospel of Jesus, was he the owner of the seed?

God is the owner of the seed, that's why the title of Father absolutely belongs to Him, I mean even Jesus who was His only begotten son didn't even contest that title with Him, for He said He was the Master, and never told anyone to call Him Father.

And so despite that this error of Paul is not the worst of His sayings, it is the most central and most influential one, as it makes other errors of His to be more powerful, and to have more damaging effect, because it has made him to be seen as a rabbi/master and even Father that he wasn't, and not as a brother that he truly was.

Jesus said:

The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master. Luke 6:40 KJV

Hence considering the sheer amount of followers or disciples that Paul has presently has in the church, you already have a situation where his shortcomings, which includes the many mistakes of his teachings, has automatically limited such ones and ruled out any chances of them being perfect as Jesus was, as they the followers or disciples of Paul cannot be above cannot be above their master Paul who was not perfect as Jesus was.

And the worst case is that even the chances of even being exactly as their master Paul was is very slim, as it rarely happens that a servant perfectly emulates his master ways, and even if that person's master was Jesus.

For even though Jesus was perfect in all His ways, in the process of learning from Him and trying to emulate His ways, the chances are that, that His disciple or servant would leave out and falter in some of the things or ways that were integral to making Jesus the perfect person that He was.

That's why it's hard to find any disciple of Jesus that perfectly emulated His ways, however what having Jesus as their Master did for them was that at least it gave them that chance to be able to be perfect since their master was perfect Himself, for it's possible for a disciple to perfectly emulate the ways of his master even though it's hard.

Therefore that's the chance that the many followers and disciples of Paul already don't have, but worst still the chance of even being perfectly what Paul was is even very slim, as they would usually turn out worse, when they even leave out some of the areas that made Paul as good as he was.

And then adding that to Paul's mistakes, what you'll get, is someone worse off that Paul was, and when that person becomes the master of another person, just as today's church leaders, the same thing happens and the quality of the disciple decreases some more, until it get to the point that it currently is where the mistakes or imperfections of those of the church are so much, that makes it to be the worst ever church in terms of spiritual quality.

And this outcome wasn't farfetched because Jesus knew very well that this could possibly happen, that was why He had said to His disciples, "be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren", because that was the preventive measure of such an outcome, as then the people of the church would not be limited to the weaknesses or mistakes of His disciples or their leaders, since they are just observed as brothers or sisters and not as the Master Himself who is perfect.

So that as long as the church remained, those of the church would always have the chance of being perfect, because their Master is perfect.

And this is the reason I do not see Apostle Paul as the master that he is to many of today's church folks, inclusive of some here in nairaland, but only as the brother that he truly is, hence my strenuous attempts at correcting some of the mistakes of his teachings.

For my Master is Jesus who was perfect and never made any mistake.

Yes that corrects any suggestion that there should be any other Master or Father in the church other than Jesus, and God.

Jesusjnr opens a thread to question the teachings of Paul. Chai!

The first day I met this guy online, I knew this guy is special despite all the religious bullshit he's spewing out.

MrPresident1:
That mistake number 4 is the thunder that will fire you.

No Christian should give any regard to this fellow anymore, he is a wolf in sheep clothing.

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Anathema.

It's you thunder will fire. So God gave you a brain not to question what you are being fed by man? Is Paul God? Is he not a man like you?

luvmijeje:


It's you thunder will fire. So God gave you a brain not to question what you are being fed by man? Is Paul God? Is he not a man like you?

Holy men of old were moved by the Holy Ghost and they wrote at his prompting. The word of God is inerrant.

Beware of wolves in sheep clothing

MrPresident1:


Beware of wolves in sheep clothing

like someone that would claim to know that day of Jesus coming, despite that Jesus said that no one not even Himself knew, but the Father in heaven.

And that would use the trump of Donald Trump to interpret the trumpet that was stated in the Bible would be blown on the last day.

Really beware of sheep in wolves clothing, coming from the wolves mouth.

I did not name a date, you already said this in my other thread (where I trashed you like a thief caught red handed in a market square), you should honourably stand by what you say. Honour demands you speak with only one voice, you are dishonourable.

The last trump has sounded from Trump's mouth. We will hear the trumpet very soon, and you better be ready to face the wrath of the one who comes with thunder.

jesusjnr:
like someone that would claim to know that day of Jesus coming, despite that Jesus said that no one not even Himself knew, but the Father in heaven.

And that would use the trump of Donald Trump to interpret the trumpet that was stated in the Bible would be blown on the last day.

Really beware of sheep in wolves clothing, coming from the wolves mouth.