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|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by soulpeppersoup(m): 7:46am On Feb 02|
Oga am defending the bible. For all scripture including that written by Paul were inspired by the Holy Spirit - 2 Timothy 3:16.
Is not about pitying me since you have decided to dispute the bible and I have taken it upon myself to uphold it, let's debate and analyze it.
So counter my submission and not come with the excuse of pitying me.
Bring that scripture let's discuss it here.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by jesusjnr(m): 8:19am On Feb 03|
MISTAKE No. 6
1 Corinthians 14:1-28 (KJV)
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by jesusjnr(m): 10:00am On Feb 05|
Mistake No. 6 Correction coming up next.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by jesusjnr(m): 7:26am On Feb 10|
MISTAKE NO. 6 THE CORRECTION Pt. 1
Acts 2:1-12 (KJV)
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
Acts 10:44-46 (KJV)
"While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God..."
Acts 11:15 (KJV)
And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
This is simply the first part of the correction of the mistake No. 6 of apostle Paul's teachings, which gives the idea that speaking in tongues means speaking in unknown tongues, even that which today's church appear to more or less be following.
Hence it's obviously clear that wherever that idea emanated from, that it wasn't from God, or inspired of His Spirit, for these were the first two instances of spoken tongues after the coming of the Holy Ghost upon men, with the first one being in the instance of the Jews, and the second being in the instance of the gentiles.
For both instances despite being spoken tongues with the utterances of the Spirit of God, were yet not unknown to men, as men there present were able to understand what they were saying in both instances, and hence it was a wonder to those of the world as to how those men who were Galilaeans, were able to speak in their own native language, and tongue of the land of their birth, thus making the first sign that the Holy Ghost used to draw those of the world to the gospel of Jesus.
So I would let it speak for itself, so that people can decide which version of speaking in tongues they would rather have, if that of the day of Pentecost, or that of apostle Paul?
For more on this subject go to this links:
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by jesusjnr(m): 4:39pm On Apr 15|
Apologies for the delay....
Mistake no. 6 of Paul's teachings correction to be completed shortly.
No more delays I promise.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 3:51pm On Apr 20|
jesusjnr:This Bipolar disordered fellow.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 4:12pm On Apr 20|
jesusjnr:You just pulled out this without considering the backdrop of events that occasioned it. You'd have preferred the Grecian women who were prominent in their time in lotting it over their men as a result of their gods being feminine?
These Gentile female folks brought into the church the stance they held in their pagan temples (Which was men taking orders from women) and without Paul stepping in to quail the tide, there wouldn't have been order for the gospel to thrive.
What Paul said was peculiar to the Corinthian Church, not the entire body of Christ.
Besides, I think your fight is with the Jesus you claim is your Lord. For, He made it so. Men always rule over women. Call it sexist, it changes nothing.
I can't see any female Priest in Israel, I will hardly call Deborah a prophet, for prophets Prophesy. What did she prophesy?
You know why this is? Eve brought that on herself and her female Offspring.
Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Anybody wey e pain, make him go beat Jesus.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 4:14pm On Apr 20|
jesusjnr:This is strictly prejudice which has nothing to do with Jesus-Christ stance, hence he threw it on their faces.
He said, if caught in Adultery both shd be stoned. It wasn't Paul who said the woman shd be killed and let the man go.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 4:15pm On Apr 20|
jesusjnr:What is the second mistake? You have gone on to criticize others.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 4:17pm On Apr 20|
jesusjnr:Again, you got it wrong. Paul wasn't referring to all women in all the Churches.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 4:20pm On Apr 20|
jesusjnr:But you also forget or deliberately skipped the part that He said the only bases for divorce is when one party commits sexual sin(?)
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 4:21pm On Apr 20|
enilove:Pls ask him.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 4:24pm On Apr 20|
jesusjnr:I thought you'd say, 'Jesus amended the sexists position by naming at least 3 of His 12Apoatles as women. I don't have a problem with Jesus being sexiest. that one concern you.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 4:32pm On Apr 20|
solite3:Thank God others are seeing what I saw in this man.
His Pride and arrogance depicts where he's representing
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 4:45pm On Apr 20|
MrPresident1:Na now wey una see am? Wen I bin dey shout am, some people called me Bully.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 4:49pm On Apr 20|
Michellekabod1:Jesusjnr altarego, pretending to be female.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Nobody: 8:19pm On Apr 22|
Shepherd00:I will not demeanmyself engaging you in a banter...nah!you ain't worth it!
Just shove your opinion up your a$$
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by solite3(m): 8:26pm On Apr 22|
Shepherd00:he is a wolf in sheep clothing. Let him keep exposing himself.
the world is heading to one world religion. minions like jesusjur are foot soldiers send to discredit christianity, water down its teachings by changing God's word which is already settled in heaven, and then latter merge it with other religion.
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
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|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by solite3(m): 8:28pm On Apr 22|
jesusjr you still have the opportunity to repent of this your wickedness and turn to Jesus before it is too late.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 6:45pm On Apr 25|
Michellekabod1:Trust me girl, you haven't got what it takes to engage me. You being Jesusjnr altarego are not a match for me. Keeping your distance is wisdom, albeit from underneath.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 7:12pm On Apr 25|
solite3:I spotted him early as a mole in the folk. Much speaking, but almost no sense.
He turns and calls everyone an agent of Satan when in reality, he is.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Nobody: 8:00pm On Apr 25|
Shepherd00:You are a retarrd and a morron,both interwined.
Engaging you is an insult to my person, I wonder why Jesusjnr stooped so low to peddle words with a depravity as you.
Go get a life!
Or you were blind to see I confronted him on the gay issue?
Abeg get lost MOFO!
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Shepherd00: 8:08pm On Apr 25|
Michellekabod1:Look in the mirror and you won't need anyone to point out to you that you are all you described here. Didn't your altarego say you are now a convert to his version of Christianity?
Oh, Wait!!!!!, you are just a depth lower in the gutter. It's hard for a dog to leave eating shiiit totally.
You are no match wob.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by jesusjnr(m): 9:16pm On Apr 25|
Michellekabod1:You are right!
But not just so low, but so lowest even into hell to peddle words with this satanic vessel that came to me while I was in the heat of conversing with hard mirror an atheist, and despite that he claims to be a christian all the "real devil" christian could contribute was that I was glorifying myself and not God before him.
Just imagine that!
For he didn't even know that he was sent there by the devil to interrupt my spiritually important conversation(you know how long we had to wait for hard mirror for that to take place), so I told the devil that was using him, the only thing that devils deserve to be told, to "get thee behind me satan", and I have been justified ever since.
Don't mind the spiritually brain dead fool, whose only contribution to Christianity as most of his likes here is to be chasing out Christians from Christianity as many of them who are planted by satan in the church, and when they see God use someone to achieve the otherwise they denounce it to be fake, because their spiritual impotency doesn't have the same capacity to produce same fruits for the Kingdom of God.
Haven't answered him a word since, because my silence is the best answer that such an epitome of foolishness and confusion deserves, for before you were my alterego, and now you converted to my version of Christianity, to prove that it's just anything that would justify their demonically motivated agenda, even though it's lies from the pit of hell.
So tell me, would it be wise to dignify such a confused wolf with a response?
Let him keep displaying the confusion and symptoms of someone possessed with the spirit of the Antichrist, and even if he has all his likes in the church with him in that, I am not as spiritually toothless as they are so it's understandable the extent of jealousy and hatred, for if i was a spiritual nonentity as they are, then they would have been perfectly fine with me.
Thanks jor and God keep you safe.
p.s. I've not stopped praying for you
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Nobody: 11:50pm On Apr 25|
jesusjnr:Thank you so much....but I don't need your prayers
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Nobody: 11:53pm On Apr 25|
Shepherd00:What is this dust bin saying?abeg come and carry this cesspool away, I feel nauseated having a banter with you..dodoyo,Arindin,oponu ayirada
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Glycosunde: 11:54pm On Apr 25|
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by jesusjnr(m): 11:55pm On Apr 25|
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by Glycosunde: 11:55pm On Apr 25|
I think d reason dat Jesus didn't have any female apostles was bcus of d practice of d Israelite as more emphasis was on d male child. Jacob had 12sons and a daughter but it was only d 12 sons that God made covenant wt and dat is b basis of all Israel proclamation. D 12 stones 4 d alter whenever d Israelite wanted to make a sacrifice to d Lord. D 12 tribes of Israel, d 12 gates of d cities and the 12 names on d foundation of the gates. And another reason being dat Jesus didn't have a specific place he stayed n it will be inappropriate for women to travel with him and d disciples when they are not married to any of them. The Pharisees and people will have said that lots of negative things like fornication being perpetrated by them. Imagine women sleeping in the mist of men on d mountain tops and traveling all around wt dem. D Pharisees would have had a charge against him. Mind u any time he came to a city where his female disciples stayed, they were always wt him until he left. Don't forget nothing was later said about Dinah, Jacob's daughter. It just shows u were d priority lies n dat was d custom in those days.
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by jesusjnr(m): 12:02am On Apr 26|
Got anything to say?
|Re: The Many Mistakes Of Apostle Paul's Teachings: Mistake No. 7 Correction by jesusjnr(m): 12:06am On Apr 26|
MISTAKE No. 6 Correction Pt 2.
What I intended to achieve with first part of Mistake No.6 correction, was just to use the first instance ever of speaking in tongues in the church coupled with the first instance ever of speaking in tongues among the gentiles to correct the generally held view of the church that speaking in tongues meant speaking in unknown tongues.
For if the tongues spoken in those ground breaking instances of the church and the gentiles via the utterances of the Holy Spirit were not unknown, then when did speaking in tongues become speaking in unknown tongues?
Thank God that such history of the first time tongues were spoken in the church in the book of Acts, were preserved and not done away with, if not I would have had the privilege of speaking now in both known and unknown tongues via the utterance of the Holy Spirit as it was at the time.
For the One who gives the utterance of speaking in tongues is the Spirit of God, so are they now saying that the ability of the Holy Spirit is now limited to speaking in unknown tongues?
What transpired on that occasion proves that the Holy Spirit has the capacity that no man has, except that man that has the Holy Spirit, to speak in the language that all men could understand, and so it would be erroneous to try and put His utterances into
the box of unknown tongues.
For if that was what the first church had done, they would have restricted His ability and the remarkable result that He used them to achieve on that very occasion via tongues would have never been achieved
For that was the first sign that announced the church to the world, for men heard the individuals of the church do the impossible on that occasion, which is to speak languages that they have never learnt before, and hence their attraction to the church.
So what's the business of men worrying about the business of he Holy Spirit?
Or do they think that they could possibly know more than Him, that they are trying to dictate to Him what utterances He should give, of unknown or known tongues?
I believe that they should worry about their own part of praying in truth and obeying God's Word, and leave the matter of tongues for the Holy Spirit to handle, for He's the Spirit of God for crying out loud, so He obviously know very what He's doing.
Therefore He can choose to speak to men, the Earth, the seas, Satan, etc., or even to God in heaven, but let Him be the one to decide that, because He knows how to speak the language of Everything.
So bottom line speaking in tongues doesn't mean speaking in unknown tongues as those of today's church who have high respect for the teachings of Paul have consequently misconceived it to be, which has led to extent of fabricated and false spoken tongues(done without the utterances of the Spirit of God) that had filled the churches today, as they erroneously think to say something that one cannot understand meant speaking in tongues.
So having established that, I'd move over to the given passage to address the other errors, but because it's a lengthy one, i'm going to have to fragment it, so that It would be easier to track which i'm actually tackling till i'm done with it.
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
This was what Paul said but i would say unto you, do not limit yourself to desiring specific spiritual gifts, but desire to be like Jesus who had the fullness of the Spirit of God in Him, and hence had every spiritual gift to perfection.
For it's the desire of God and to His glory that we be perfect and have the fullness of His Spirit just as Jesus His Son did.
Luke 6:40 (KJV)
"The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master."
So it's possible to be as the Master Himself to the extent of having the fullness of God's Spirit, so do not let anyone make you to settle for any less of Him.
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
I have already addressed this to an extent that it's not up man to decide this, but up to the Spirit of God.
For the Spirit of God is the comforter of the church and so He knows how to edify, exhort and comfort the church more than any man could do.
So it's only wise He is allowed to do His job, otherwise it would lead to the extent of lack of edification of the church that is presently the order of the day in today's church.
For Jesus Himself said:
John 6:63 (KJV)
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing..."
Therefore unless men allow the Spirit of God the true comforter of the church to do that which He alone can do, they would fail woefully trying to do His job for Him, as has been proven by the result of today's church.
To use the parameters of the feelings and flesh of man to adjudge the things of the Spirit is a very gross error.
For it's like starting on the wrong foot with the Spirit of God, and hence would inevitably lead to a fall.
Because the ways of the Spirit are diametrically opposed to the ways of men and the flesh, so to try and understand everything the Spirit says with the understanding of the flesh, is tantamount to chasing shadows.
For even when one cannot understand with your ears what the Spirit is saying, doesn't mean that nothing is actually going on. For since it's the Spirit of God that's speaking, and it's the Spirit that quickens then that means that works is certainly going on within you or elsewhere.
So just let Him to do what He alone can do, and you'd be surprised at some point to see the result of the work that He'd been doing all the while despite that you were not able to understand it at that particular time.
For I believe that it was how the disciples in the first church had allowed Him to speak freely as He gave them utterance despite that they may not have understood what He was saying for God knows how long.
And then they got to see the result of what the Spirit of God was saying, and it was most comforting, edifying, exhorting to the church because they allowed the Spirit of God to do His job which He alone could do.
And speaking of praying in the Spirit, I consider speaking in tongue to be more of God's response to man's prayer than man praying in the spirit, and the fact that it's the Spirit of God giving the utterances also gives that position credence.
As I also noticed that during my prayer times that there are certain things I would say in my prayer that evoke certain tongue responses like "Holy Ghost power", "Halleluyas" and even "gaskiya"(truth in Hausa) etc., as if to say amen or yes.
So praying in the spirit in my opinion is less when someone speaks in tongues but more when the person prays to God from his heart, for that to me is actually what it means to pray in spirit and in truth.
And it's not a coincidence that God who is a Spirit looks on (the voice of) the heart of man instead of (the voice of)his outward appearance (lips and mouth), for the heart
is the mouth of a man's spirit, and hence
always speaks the truth.
So to pray from the heart means to pray in spirit and in truth, which is the kind of prayer or worship that God seeks.
Continued reading below.
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